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do you really give a damn about the american election?

personally i've gotten bored of hearing about it all the fucking time and i no longer care who wins really. it would be nice if kerry won for one factor alone, which is that he probably won't do that whole missile defense shield thing, saving us (canadians) some money as we won't have to chip in for it.

but i would really rather they just finish with this shit so we can all get on with our lives, damnit.

I, also Canadian, definately cares who wins and I am following it *fairly* closely. I agree though that it's a little (by a little a mean a hell of a lot) too long....

I take consolation in the fact that even if Bush wins, he's not allowed to run again next time!

do you really give a damn about the american election?

personally i've gotten bored of hearing about it all the fucking time and i no longer care who wins really. it would be nice if kerry won for one factor alone, which is that he probably won't do that whole missile defense shield thing, saving us (canadians) some money as we won't have to chip in for it.

but i would really rather they just finish with this shit so we can all get on with our lives, damnit.
Seeing how the world hegemony of the US will affect everyone, I am quite interested and would like to see Bush burn in hell.

Guess what? I'm f*ucking sick of it too. And I'm American. I'm not old enough to vote. These dumbass commercials on all these kid networks saying stuff like, "KIDS PICK THE PRESIDENT!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!!!" How the hell are we supposed to pick the president. GODDAMN NICKELODEAN!! :headbang:

I, also Canadian, definately cares who wins and I am following it *fairly* closely. I agree though that it's a little (by a little a mean a hell of a lot) too long....

I take consolation in the fact that even if Bush wins, he's not allowed to run again next time!

That is great. I don't really agree with the two term limit, but if Bush wins again, I will definitely change my mind.

As a New Zealander, I would rather have someone who actually knows where other nations are, someone who can say nuclear, someone who is rich enough to not be bought off by corporate friends like Enron.

I kind of lean towards Kerry, because I'm mildly a pinko commie bastard (or so my mom says), but on the whole, I can't see the election altering the course of history to much. If Bush is re-elected, the world is still going to be around in four years, and there may or may not be greated casualties worldwide than if Kerry is elected. Mostly, I never want to hear the phrase "candidate's military record" ever again. EVER.

i think that everyone should take an interest in the american elections. as the worlds only remaining superpower the outcome will have possibly colossal repercussions in the rest of the world. i just hope people vote sensibly and elect kerry.

yeah, i think that's part of why i'm so annoyed with this whole thing, both candidates are on about military records from 30 years ago and they're slinging insults at each other or getting other groups to sling mud for them. they're behaving like rude children.

do you really give a damn about the american election?

personally i've gotten bored of hearing about it all the fucking time and i no longer care who wins really. it would be nice if kerry won for one factor alone, which is that he probably won't do that whole missile defense shield thing, saving us (canadians) some money as we won't have to chip in for it.

but i would really rather they just finish with this shit so we can all get on with our lives, damnit.

I would have said I don't give a rats arse, but actually I hope Kerry wins as Bush and his administration is a small disaster. Had the candidates been equally competent it wouldn't matter one bit to me.
Naturally I am tired about hearing about it all the time. It doesn't really matter that much. And the entire campaign resembles some sort of docu-soap. It's all decided by Mr. and Mrs. Potato in the last week anyhow. Why bother?
For a European it's a small wonder that Americans even bother to talk about it. Your vote is most likely not going to count anyhow. For the 50% of you who actually bothers to vote... of the people who can vote. If your name resembles that of a known felon you are most likely barred from the ballot. It doesn't really look like a healthy democracy (or whatever it is) to me.

I take consolation in the fact that even if Bush wins, he's not allowed to run again next time!Hehe. Amen. ^.^

It doesn't really look like a healthy democracy (or whatever it is) to me.Meh, it's not. It's a republic founded on democratic principles. And no, our votes don't matter, much. Perhaps if they did, more people would vote.

That's right, our votes don't matter.....
Study government some time, or shut up. if you don't comprehend the electoral system then that is merely another reason why our country has so much trouble. Because 85% of the country is totally ignorant as to how our system works.

That is great. I don't really agree with the two term limit, but if Bush wins again, I will definitely change my mind.
I think the there should be a one term limit on American Presidents. Every two-term president since Nixon has got into a big scandal in his second term.

I would have said I don't give a rats arse, but actually I hope Kerry wins as Bush and his administration is a small disaster. Had the candidates been equally competent it wouldn't matter one bit to me.
Naturally I am tired about hearing about it all the time. It doesn't really matter that much. And the entire campaign resembles some sort of docu-soap. It's all decided by Mr. and Mrs. Potato in the last week anyhow. Why bother?
For a European it's a small wonder that Americans even bother to talk about it. Your vote is most likely not going to count anyhow. For the 50% of you who actually bothers to vote... of the people who can vote. If your name resembles that of a known felon you are most likely barred from the ballot. It doesn't really look like a healthy democracy (or whatever it is) to me.

Incorrect..in our last election there were 3,000 DEAD people who nearly won it for Gore in Florida ;)

at least the democrats don't trick new imergrants into voteing for republicans by pre-selecting it in their election papers when they become citizans.

at least the democrats don't trick new imergrants into voteing for republicans by pre-selecting it in their election papers when they become citizans.

Not sure where you get that? By your spelling possibly you are an immigrant?
My wife is as well, and there is no such thing as "election papers" when you become a citizen.

Any of you seen Farenhiet 9/11 by Michael Moore?
That has an interesting view on how Bush won the election. Apparently he didn't get as many votes as he claimed.

Any of you seen Farenhiet 9/11 by Michael Moore?
That has an interesting view on how Bush won the election. Apparently he didn't get as many votes as he claimed.
Yes,, it is amazing the stories hollywood can come up with. For the uninformed..the companies who according to F/911 basically rigged the election, every election, donate millions to BOTH parties, to make sure they have somebody inside.
Anyway, it is a fictional movie, so not worth my statement, I apologize.

Any of you seen Farenhiet 9/11 by Michael Moore?
That has an interesting view on how Bush won the election. Apparently he didn't get as many votes as he claimed.

Also, it is a matter of public record that nearly 20,000 military votes from Florida were tossed out in that election due to error on the part of the STATE, NOT the soldiers airmen and(mostly)sailors who apparently were expected to fight for their nation, but not have their vote counted. As 70%+ of the military vote every election is Republican, that alone would have made the election not even close, in favor of Bush.

How do you know it's fictional?
They had video recordings all the way through it

How do you know it's fictional?
They had video recordings all the way through it
They had video recordings all through the Blair Witch project as well as many other movies, that fact does not make them any more true.
There has been video of Big Foot, UFOs, the Loch Ness Monster, etc..all of which (the videos at least) were proven to be hoaxes. M. Moore has an agenda, this is fine, he is a movie producer, so he uses that tool to help his agenda out.Considering that for the most part he is a poor producer, at least thus far, he needs controversy to draw more viewers to his work, again, that's business, I don't argue that he has his right.

If Bush was so popular why were there protestors thowing eggs at his car after he got elected?

If Bush was so popular why were there protestors thowing eggs at his car after he got elected?
Heck, Lincoln was a pretty popular president(and a Republican) who freed the slaves..but half the nation(the Democrats in the south) went further than egging, they left the country, so they could keep their slaves.
There are ALWAYS some protestors, and within reason, that is great, it shows the democracy is healthy.
Interesting to note, that if M. Moore had made his film in Iraq, about Saddam Hussein, he would have been executed. And if people had egged S. Husseins car, they would have been dragged out and shot. We live in a democracy.

the soldiers airmen and(mostly)sailors who apparently were expected to fight for their nation, but not have their vote counted.


Wrong, voters abroad are counted.

Wrong, voters abroad are counted.
Usually, yes..however it is as I said public record what happened to Florida's military vote.
Reported (depending on the newspaper) in nearly every newspaper in the country from 2-5 days after the election.

In a way i do care because i am an australian citizen. if bush wins the election then they will presurize either latham or howard to join the war in iraq. as a tax payer i don't want my money being spent buying artileries to fight against the iraqis.

Interesting to note, that if M. Moore had made his film in Iraq, about Saddam Hussein, he would have been executed. And if people had egged S. Husseins car, they would have been dragged out and shot. We live in a democracy.

What's your point? I mean i agree with you, he would be executed but I still don't get your point. Are you saying that both Saddam and Bush are similiar and there only differences are caused by how their government is controled?

In a way i do care because i am an australian citizen. if bush wins the election then they will presurize either latham or howard to join the war in iraq. as a tax payer i don't want my money being spent buying artileries to fight against the iraqis.

Personally I think that nations where the population did not/does not support the Iraq campaign should withdraw their forces anyway as well.

What's your point? I mean i agree with you, he would be executed but I still don't get your point. Are you saying that both Saddam and Bush are similiar and there only differences are caused by how their government is controled?
No, my point was that he (Moore) tried to turn the whole war issue into a great government conspiracy. His story had a good plot even. But if the government he was condemning (Ours) had been as bad as the one he was defending(Iraq) he would have been executed.
Saddam held his seat by power and threats against his citizens. Our government does not employ secret police to monitor our behavior, if it did, many people on even these boards would have doors kicked in, etc. My point is just that many uninformed non-Americans have gotten this idea, from Moore, etc, of our country, that is just absolutely false.

In a way i do care because i am an australian citizen. if bush wins the election then they will presurize either latham or howard to join the war in iraq. as a tax payer i don't want my money being spent buying artileries to fight against the iraqis.

I agree with you, I don't want Australia pressured into doing things for America but that may change if Lathem gets elected next election, we all know what he thinks of Americans. John Howard on the other hand is always sucking up to America so in that case tax payers money would be used to support America in some way. Some say we are becoming just another state of america, I didn't believe it until I saw an american coast guard in our Melbourne docks

What I can say, is I am extremely happy after reading these boards today, that only Americans can choose our own president.

Saddam held his seat by power and threats against his citizens.

Actually, that was not the only way Saddam held his seat of power, America had a part in this. For a while America actually supported Saddam.

Actually, that was not the only way Saddam held his seat of power, America had a part in this. For a while America actually supported Saddam.
True..everybody makes mistakes :) It is nice to be able to end that mistake now however.
And by support, you mean we preferred him to Iran. As for military support, his equipt was made in the USSR and France for the most part.

I agree with you, I don't want Australia pressured into doing things for America but that may change if Lathem gets elected next election, we all know what he thinks of Americans. John Howard on the other hand is always sucking up to America so in that case tax payers money would be used to support America in some way. Some say we are becoming just another state of america, I didn't believe it until I saw an american coast guard in our Melbourne docks
The American Coast Gd was there on training assignment. US forces work regularly all over the world with Australian forces as well. Many Australian weapon designs are American.

True..everybody makes mistakes :) It is nice to be able to end that mistake now however.


End that mistake now? You mean by creating a war between the two countries that even the UN didn't approve of? A war that was on while you should have been looking for Bin Larden and a war that was caused by false accusations (Saddam did not have any weapons of mass destruction).

The American Coast Gd was there on training assignment. US forces work regularly all over the world with Australian forces as well. Many Australian weapon designs are American.

I do know that we work togethor and we have worked togethor on many occassions, but the coast guard is meant to protect the coasts of America. Though my comment was really meant to be a joke about how Australia is becoming another state of America.

[QUOTE=Takrai]True..everybody makes mistakes :) It is nice to be able to end that mistake now however.
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End that mistake now? You mean by creating a war between the two countries that even the UN didn't approve of? A war that was on while you should have been looking for Bin Larden and a war that was caused by false accusations (Saddam did not have any weapons of mass destruction).
Refer to UN Security Council Resolution 678, 687, and 1441, all of which authorized the use of force. The only question on the last one, was how long to wait. It was possible we did not wait long enough, but nevertheless, we DID end the mistake of Saddam, and freed the Iraqi citizens. These citizens showed us graves where thousands of bones remained from mass graves Saddam dumped his political opposition into, all while the UN waited for 12 years after he initially broke the terms of the first ceasefire, after he invaded a sovereign nation, and destroyed much of its infrastructure.
The UN admitted he was in violation, yet for years, did nothing.

I do know that we work togethor and we have worked togethor on many occassions, but the coast guard is meant to protect the coasts of America. Though my comment was really meant to be a joke about how Australia is becoming another state of America.

:) I met several Australian soldiers in Iraq, and I must say, they are great guys, the first I found who can outdrink me ;) .:)
Off topic, I know, just had to mention that.

Incorrect..in our last election there were 3,000 DEAD people who nearly won it for Gore in Florida ;)

Oh that one was new to me. Now I have to get mortally drunk to forget it again :).
Not to imply that it interests me greatly, but just out of common curiosity. Can ardent Democrats register to vote or even move to Florida to change the scales?

Oh that one was new to me. Now I have to get mortally drunk to forget it again :).
Not to imply that it interests me greatly, but just out of common curiosity. Can ardent Democrats register to vote or even move to Florida to change the scales?
Probably, last I heard the Dems in FLA had gone to court to prevent the 3rd party(who was expected to draw votes away from Kerry) from even being on the ballot...

Probably, last I heard the Dems in FLA had gone to court to prevent the 3rd party(who was expected to draw votes away from Kerry) from even being on the ballot...

i also heard that nader (an independant) didn't have enough signatures in florida needed to get on the ballot in the first place.

and this is the kind of shit that makes me tired of this election already.

i also heard that nader (an independant) didn't have enough signatures in florida needed to get on the ballot in the first place.

and this is the kind of shit that makes me tired of this election already.

Actually to clarify again, forgetting that many(most)of you are unfamiliar with anything you haven't seen on TV...
Nader is the 3rd party candidate I referred to..he HAD the signatures required, the Dems sued, claiming that there were problems with the signatures.

Bush...Kerry...*sigh* It's just so much Coke or Pepsi, you know? Apart from the marketing, they're both just sweet fizzy brown water. And neither of them do a body good.

Actually to clarify again, forgetting that many(most)of you are unfamiliar with anything you haven't seen on TV...
Nader is the 3rd party candidate I referred to..he HAD the signatures required, the Dems sued, claiming that there were problems with the signatures.
nader's not in a party this time. he's running as an independant.

I feel sorry for you Americans having to choose the lesser of two evils for a President (the lesser evil being John Kerry). Reminds me of the tagline for 'Alien vs. Predator': "Whoever Wins, We Lose".

JiangGuo

What I can say, is I am extremely happy after reading these boards today, that only Americans can choose our own president.

And what I can say is thank God you can't choose leaders for other countries while you're at it.

yes, i care very much! death to George W. Bush

Yes, thank goodness you can choose your own government without other countries screwing with it, but then again maybe your country should stop screwing with everybody elses government.

And what I can say is thank God you can't choose leaders for other countries while you're at it.

Was that irony? Last time I looked the US had chosen the leaders of Afghanistan and Iraq. And Haiti. And... well, you get the picture.

yes, i care very much! death to George W. Bush

Would you settle for humiliating defeat and a fall into political obscurity? Maybe getting ambushed by a few pie-flinging protesters?

Would you settle for humiliating defeat and a fall into political obscurity? Maybe getting ambushed by a few pie-flinging protesters?

Hey it's not my country going to shit.

Hey it's not my country going to shit.

It could be if you piss Bush off. ;)

In a way i do care because i am an australian citizen. if bush wins the election then they will presurize either latham or howard to join the war in iraq. as a tax payer i don't want my money being spent buying artileries to fight against the iraqis.

Newsflash: Australia is already involved in Iraq. How can someone be pressured into something that they are already doing?

As a non-american, I don't give too much about this election, as I think it's not real democracy anyway, since the president is voted by delegates and not directly by people (as far i know)

If I were american, I'd support republicans. But the problem I see with american elections at all is, that there is usually only one (realisitic) candiate from each party. If there were two or three, things might be better. (Like I said, i mean "realistic" candidates that are known all around the country and have real chances, not these "fake" candiates that won't even get more than 1 % and in fact are chanceless)

Any finally my personal oppionian in clear text: I'd support republicans but not explicitly George W. Bush

Its probably true that 20000 votes that were probably mostly republican were lost.

But what about the democrat votes that werent punched properly? Lost.

The republican ones. Found by Jebs men in the counts.

Thats 20000 entirely Democrat votes lost.

AMerican Democracy is a joke, both parties are useless. Kerry seems to just be weak, and Bush, well he bought his victory (though Im pretty sure Gore only lost because he had less money to rig it with and wasnt in the pockets of American oil companies) and then he lied telling people that there were WMDs in Iraq. Yet it was known all along by every other nation in the world that that wasnt true. If I a British peasant know this, why didnt Bush and Colin?

Um perhaps they "forgot"?

America grows more and more like Orange state every day. ANd that scares me, because Orange state is run by me with a large dose of humour...

The problem with the system is that the cost of running a presidential election campaign (one that has a fighting chance of winning, that is) are now so prohibitively high that politicians have to prostitute themselves to powerful industry lobbies (oil and agriculture being the favourites for Republicans and Democrats respectively). As a result, the election is decided by the free market in politicians, which is democracy of a sort, but not "of the people, by the people and for the people."

You need to fix the political funding issue. A lot of good things ought to flow from that.

I was going to vote for Bush, but I don't want Rumsfeld to stay in as the Secretary of Defense.

I know that Kerry would be a terrible president. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with everyone, so I'm going to leave it at that.

As a Soldier, I think it is absolutely rediculous that people bicker and make remarks like children. I never noticed it before, but this election is just plain ignorant. Democrats mocking and verbally assaulting the president. Even if you don't want him in office, at least speak respectfully. Republicans blaming things on the Democrats. I know that the current economic status is in no way Bush's fault, but the Republicans are just too quick to blame liberals for their problems.

Bottom line: I'm not going to vote this November, because I am ashamed of the way Americans have been acting. Embarassed, and ashamed to be defending the rights of those who think freedom of speach means freedom to insult.

Yes, I do care very much about the American election, as should the rest of the world. In fact, I don't even think it should BE an American election. Sure, the person who is elected will run the country, but they will intervene in so many international incidents (or start them) that they will be in a position to run the world from a nice angle.

Anyway, i'm on Kerry's side.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but I have heard that on some TV stations in America, you can occasionally hear the phrase "Only 8 more weeks until Bush gets re-elected!" Which makes everyone think "Bush getting re-elected? Ok, i'll vote for him!"

Remember, I got this from a reliable source (Morgan Spurlock) but I still want confirmation because I could be wrong.

It could be if you piss Bush off. ;)

Hey no, we're fine with Bush, we have an ass-lickking prime minister and suppress minorities!

Hey no, we're fine with Bush, we have an ass-lickking prime minister and suppress minorities!

Then all is well. :)

I wish I could have been one of the people egging Bush... hell, I'd fly over to America JUST to egg Bush. Then they'll arrest me for 'flinging bio-weaponry in an attempt on the President's life'. My defense would be 'It was worth it.'

I don't see why there can't be more than 2 real candidates. There should be at least 3, so that way there can't be Republicans hating Democrats and vice versa.

Then all is well. :)

But then again because I have a personal beliefs that go against that stupid homophobic, environment slaughtering, uneducated turd I might be considered a terrorist.

*Angry yawn, time for bed

I guess capping the campaign expediture for each candidate would be good. But no one in any nation will do it, becauyse big parties have more power and more support and so its not about to change. Even though it would allow a third or fourth party to stand a chance in many elections.

Im talking for any nation.

Our uni elections this year were won by the guy who managed to somehow get ten times as many posters for his money in his campaign....

I'm concerned because I don't think having Bush in office is healthy for the world because he's just plain stupid. Also, he's too trigger happy, and the missile defense shield is too much. Kerry seems more reasonable and moderate.

No Bush and no Howard!

Does anyone remember that Simpsons Hallowe'en episode where Kang and Kodos (the green tentacled space aliens) kidnap Clinton and Dole and replace them in the '96 election? They get found out at the end, but Kang says "You have to vote for one of us; it's a two-party system!"
A man stands up and says "Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate!"
Kodos replies, "That's right! Throw your vote away!"
Cut to the Simpsons as slaves; Homer says "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
Ah, democracy!

But then again because I have a personal beliefs that go against that stupid homophobic, environment slaughtering, uneducated turd I might be considered a terrorist.

*Angry yawn, time for bed

Who doesn't? But I find that humiliation can be so much more interesting than killing.

No Bush and no Howard!
yay! Howard is a joke though. he isnt about to win the UK elections. Blair will win again until the tories can magic up a less radical and more charismatic candidate, much like Labour did all those years ago.

Sadly centre right, centre right, or Lib Dem seem to be the only options right now.

Im voting for the first party to suggest women's voting. Monster Raving Looney. If they have a candidate in Guildford.

Oh that one was new to me. Now I have to get mortally drunk to forget it again :).
Not to imply that it interests me greatly, but just out of common curiosity. Can ardent Democrats register to vote or even move to Florida to change the scales?


To be able to vote you have to be a resident of the state for so many days. It varies from state to state. From 30 to 60 days.