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Americans are NOT yanks!

Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 21:36
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.
The Black Forrest
23-09-2004, 21:41
To the Brits you are a yank.

Their usage of it is older then the civil war.....
Revolutionairy Ideals
23-09-2004, 21:42
I realise this thread is my fault, so I apologise.

But what do you mean we stick our nose in America's buisness? American Buissness' own our buisness' and since their interests are pretty much interchangeable with the U.s governments that means it is the United States who sticks their nose into other people's buisness.

American Multi-national companies run the world, and the United States is the only super power. Who ever wins the election in the United States, its gonna make a big difference to the rest of the world for better or for worse. It is our buisness.
Nimzonia
23-09-2004, 21:43
If it riles you up that much, then clearly there's good incentive to continue. I don't think anybody who calls you yanks does so out of affection.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Oooooh. Scary.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 21:46
CONGRATULATIONS!!! You have just managed to exactly emulate the exact behaviour of the stereotypical American. So your'e in the forces? great! I have an idea, why dont you sit back and reflect on the hypocrisy of your'e previous statement.1) America is the reason the world is the main country that enjoys meddling in other people's business without or without U.N backing e.g Somalia or Iraq 2. 2) Why dont you just try to resolve something without your gun for a change? Trying to compensate for something? thats why the Americans are vilified in the middle east, the hate you getting involved in private affairs, they hate your increasingly imperialistic attitudes and the therefore hate you. And so does most of the world too.
Saline County
23-09-2004, 21:47
The usage doesn't rile me one bit. In fact, I think it's funny. Anyone who refers to someone from the South as a Yank is, obviously, simply uninformed about American culture.
Free Soviets
23-09-2004, 21:48
whatever, yank
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 21:49
And worst of all you use God as a pretense for every selfish action you have performed. Why invade Iraq? Hmmmmm WMDs? Have any been found? No. OIL!!!! MONEY!!! PLACES TO BUILD A NEW MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING!!!
Superpower07
23-09-2004, 21:49
So you're saying the Yanks are a terrible baseball team then??? :D
Free Soviets
23-09-2004, 21:49
Anyone who refers to someone from the South as a Yank is, obviously, simply uninformed about American culture.

or just particularly enjoys messing with "the south will rise again" types.
Revolutionairy Ideals
23-09-2004, 21:52
O God, what have I done....
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 21:53
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.Americans (all Americans) = Yanks. Especially you.
TheGreatChinesePeople
23-09-2004, 21:53
Yan·kee ( P ) Pronunciation Key (yangke)
n.
1. A native or inhabitant of New England.
2. A native or inhabitant of a northern U.S. state, especially a Union soldier during the Civil War.
3. A native or inhabitant of the United States.

Yes you are!
Saline County
23-09-2004, 21:55
So you're saying the Yanks are a terrible baseball team then??? :D

So bad, a starter broke his hand a few weeks ago.

Frankly, you're post is interesting -- I was starting to think no one around here had a sense of humor.
Borgoa
23-09-2004, 21:55
The usage doesn't rile me one bit. In fact, I think it's funny. Anyone who refers to someone from the South as a Yank is, obviously, simply uninformed about American culture.

I don't think that's really true, the word Yank just has a different definition in many other parts the world... so it's just a general term for American, not specific to one region of USA.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 21:56
Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.
Ooh, you must be a real l337 man, with a 3947992374ft schlong, cos you can threaten people over the internet.


5p0ff1n n00K5 J0E G4S!!!!11!!
Saline County
23-09-2004, 21:59
I don't think that's really true, the word Yank just has a different definition in many other parts the world... so it's just a general term for American, not specific to one region of USA.

Again, tell that to someone from the South. Hey, I see the original poster's point. Granted, he seems a bit too sensitive about it, but there you go.

Calling a Southerner a Yankee is on about the same level as calling someone from South America a Mexican. You might not care about regional differences, but some of us down here in the Beautiful South certainly do.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:00
The usage doesn't rile me one bit. In fact, I think it's funny. Anyone who refers to someone from the South as a Yank is, obviously, simply uninformed about American culture.
Or, alternatively, has a culture of their own?
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:02
Again, tell that to someone from the South. Hey, I see the original poster's point. Granted, he seems a bit too sensitive about it, but there you go.

Calling a Southerner a Yankee is on about the same level as calling someone from South America a Mexican. You might not care about regional differences, but some of us down here in the Beautiful South certainly do.Over here, theres a difference between Yank and Yankee. Yank is assimilated as a British word to mean American, Yankee isn't used except in a historical context.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:02
Again, tell that to someone from the South. Hey, I see the original poster's point. Granted, he seems a bit too sensitive about it, but there you go.

Calling a Southerner a Yankee is on about the same level as calling someone from South America a Mexican. You might not care about regional differences, but some of us down here in the Beautiful South certainly do.

Again (from Webster)

Main Entry: 1Yan·kee
Pronunciation: 'ya[ng]-kE
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
1 a : a native or inhabitant of New England b : a native or inhabitant of the northern U.S.
2 : a native or inhabitant of the U.S.

Main Entry: Mex·i·can
Pronunciation: 'mek-si-k&n
Function: noun
1 a : a native or inhabitant of Mexico b : a person of Mexican descent c Southwest : a person of mixed Spanish and Indian descent
2 : NAHUATL

Your statement is what is called a false analogy.

In America, yankee means someone from the North or Northeast, but for the rest of the world Yankee means American. Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:04
Yank is a general term for an american like the aussies call brits poms or new zealanders kiwis.
Sumamba Buwhan
23-09-2004, 22:04
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.

So then yer a typical knee-jerk redneck?
Saline County
23-09-2004, 22:04
Or, alternatively, has a culture of their own?

Considering how it used to culturally acceptable to refer to Native Americans as redskinned savages, I really don't see your point. We won't even go into what used to be the culturally acceptble term for African Americans, will we.

My point was -- and remains -- this. If you think it's culturally acceptable to insult a region of the U.S. by slapping us with a term we find objectionable, so be it.

I don't get worked up about it. I just think it's funny.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:05
Calling a Southerner a Yank is like calling a Scotsman a Limey.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:05
Ok so what do you call brits then?
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:08
In America, yankee means someone from the North or Northeast, but for the rest of the world Yankee means American. Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.
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Football
Zaad
23-09-2004, 22:08
We are Yanks....deal with it. It is not our place to make our own pet-names.

This has been our pet name from certain countries for quite some time and I, for one, am rather used to it. You get that way after working with a Brit in some rather frustrating situations.

If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys.

Hardly. While it's a nice thought, we are not cowboys. If our population was not so hung up on government handouts, legal suits over really stupid things(read: mental trauma over spilling coffee on self), and could fend for our own darned selves and not complain about it...then we'd be cowboys.

We were cowboys at one time, but not right now. Maybe in the future things will turn around.

So.... Cowboy Up and face the music. :p
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:09
Perhaps we would find limey objectionable but we dont, because we are too busy and smart to give a shit. You cant dictate to the world what they can and cant do, you really are pathetic. Accept who you are, look at it this way, if the confederates won, you'd be called rednecks or yokels, slightly worse i think.
Borgoa
23-09-2004, 22:09
Again, tell that to someone from the South. Hey, I see the original poster's point. Granted, he seems a bit too sensitive about it, but there you go.

Calling a Southerner a Yankee is on about the same level as calling someone from South America a Mexican. You might not care about regional differences, but some of us down here in the Beautiful South certainly do.

I think that words can mean different things to different people. Just look at the word "trousers" in British-English / "pants" in American-English (pants to British means the things you wear under your trousers!).
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:10
To the Brits you are a yank.

Their usage of it is older then the civil war.....

then CHANGE it
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:10
http://www.retailrealtime.com/photos/football.jpg
Football

http://www.penn-iaa.org/soccer-ball.png
Football


As always, pictures are better than words.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:10
We are Yanks....deal with it. It is not our place to make our own pet-names.
Why the hell not? It's our nation, we can call ourselves whatever we damn well please. And then can try and force the rest of the world to respect that.(which they won't... but still, we can damn sure try.)
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:11
I realise this thread is my fault, so I apologise.

But what do you mean we stick our nose in America's buisness? American Buissness' own our buisness' and since their interests are pretty much interchangeable with the U.s governments that means it is the United States who sticks their nose into other people's buisness.

American Multi-national companies run the world, and the United States is the only super power. Who ever wins the election in the United States, its gonna make a big difference to the rest of the world for better or for worse. It is our buisness.

its not your business if all you want to do is cry about it and not do something about it.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:11
Considering how it used to culturally acceptable to refer to Native Americans as redskinned savages, I really don't see your point. We won't even go into what used to be the culturally acceptble term for African Americans, will we.

My point was -- and remains -- this. If you think it's culturally acceptable to insult a region of the U.S. by slapping us with a term we find objectionable, so be it.

I don't get worked up about it. I just think it's funny.
See, I gotta love your analogies. I wasn't aware before today how easy it was to equate Britons with pioneer racists. My point was that, although Yank means one thing to Americans and another thing to other people, that doesn't mean that you are automatically right and we are automatically wrong.

And quite why you call it a football when you spend most of the time carrying it is beyond me, but never mind.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:12
CONGRATULATIONS!!! You have just managed to exactly emulate the exact behaviour of the stereotypical American. So your'e in the forces? great! I have an idea, why dont you sit back and reflect on the hypocrisy of your'e previous statement.1) America is the reason the world is the main country that enjoys meddling in other people's business without or without U.N backing e.g Somalia or Iraq 2. 2) Why dont you just try to resolve something without your gun for a change? Trying to compensate for something? thats why the Americans are vilified in the middle east, the hate you getting involved in private affairs, they hate your increasingly imperialistic attitudes and the therefore hate you. And so does most of the world too.

GOOD! Fear us, hate us, BUT DONT CALL US FUCKING YANKS
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:12
And worst of all you use God as a pretense for every selfish action you have performed. Why invade Iraq? Hmmmmm WMDs? Have any been found? No. OIL!!!! MONEY!!! PLACES TO BUILD A NEW MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING!!!

I'm an athiest, kiss my ass.
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 22:13
Maybe some of us americans don't like being called yanks or yankees because its like calling british people 'limeys', french people 'frogs', and somalians 'skinnys'. Perhaps its not a blatant insult, but some people just get easily ticked off by nicknames. I'm also from the South, born and raised in Georgia, but I don't mad when someone from another country calls me a Yank or Yankee. Why? Because its not worth getting upset over. We Southerners should be paying more attention to our homes, nation, and fixing the corrupt, power hungry government that our ancestors fought to leave. Now I'd like to have the South be a different country, but I can settle for the government giving back our right to the 10th Ammendment. I'd also like an apology from Washington D.C., and the money grubbing people that run it, for unjustly destroying so much of the South. I have nothing against Abe Lincoln, but he is just like George Dubya Bush: he kept changing the reasons for war, and he broke his word.

Sorry for getting off topic.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:13
So you're saying the Yanks are a terrible baseball team then??? :D

Um yea, I live in baltimore. GO O's!
Saline County
23-09-2004, 22:13
Again (from Webster)

Main Entry: 1Yan·kee
Pronunciation: 'ya[ng]-kE
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
1 a : a native or inhabitant of New England b : a native or inhabitant of the northern U.S.
2 : a native or inhabitant of the U.S.

Main Entry: Mex·i·can
Pronunciation: 'mek-si-k&n
Function: noun
1 a : a native or inhabitant of Mexico b : a person of Mexican descent c Southwest : a person of mixed Spanish and Indian descent
2 : NAHUATL

Your statement is what is called a false analogy.

In America, yankee means someone from the North or Northeast, but for the rest of the world Yankee means American. Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.

Okay, how about this one. Calling a Southerner a "Yank" is rather like calling a Mexican a spic or a beaner.

Does that clarify things for you?

Again, if someone doesn't mind being offensive, so be it.

Good Lord, but this thread has gone on for too long.
Nimzonia
23-09-2004, 22:14
GOOD! Fear us, hate us, BUT DONT CALL US FUCKING YANKS

Sorry, what did you say, Yank, I couldn't quite hear you?
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:14
Yes you are!

This is not 3rd grade, were not playing this game. You call us yanks, then you complain about us acting like cowboys (the oppisite of yanks) MAKE UP YOUR FREAKIN MIND
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:14
I think that words can mean different things to different people. Just look at the word "trousers" in British-English / "pants" in American-English (pants to British means the things you wear under your trousers!).*thumbs up*
Another good one:

http://www.worldclothing.net/vintage/pants/CHINO%20PANTS-b.jpg
Pants.

[img](Should have thought more of what a google search for "underpants" would yeild)[img]
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:16
Ooh, you must be a real l337 man, with a 3947992374ft schlong, cos you can threaten people over the internet.


5p0ff1n n00K5 J0E G4S!!!!11!!

real intelligence here. dont mess with this guy, he scarry.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:16
then CHANGE it
Why? Because calling you a yank makes you all upset? Awwww...





No.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:17
Perhaps we would find limey objectionable but we dont, because we are too busy and smart to give a shit. You cant dictate to the world what they can and cant do, you really are pathetic. Accept who you are, look at it this way, if the confederates won, you'd be called rednecks or yokels, slightly worse i think.
Naw. We'd be call 'damn rebels', 'Confederate bastards', 'traitors' and a whole slew of other names they flung at our ancestors.

And Joe, calm down boy. You traying to make us look worse than they allready see us? Geeze... I bet you got a big ole' 3 on your wall, too.

I say: call us whatever the hell you want. Just don't be suprised when most of us get pissed off at you, or give you a ten minute lecture on why Yankees suck ass and why the Confederates would have won had it not been for one damn messenger. Or something like that.
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 22:18
Personally, I don't give a flying shit what non Americans call us. Just as long as it isn't something like "Those obese moronic bastards".
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:18
Again (from Webster)

Main Entry: 1Yan·kee
Pronunciation: 'ya[ng]-kE
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
1 a : a native or inhabitant of New England b : a native or inhabitant of the northern U.S.
2 : a native or inhabitant of the U.S.

Main Entry: Mex·i·can
Pronunciation: 'mek-si-k&n
Function: noun
1 a : a native or inhabitant of Mexico b : a person of Mexican descent c Southwest : a person of mixed Spanish and Indian descent
2 : NAHUATL

Your statement is what is called a false analogy.

In America, yankee means someone from the North or Northeast, but for the rest of the world Yankee means American. Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.

I say it does, and I'm an american. Change it, deal with it, and move on. Its that simple.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:19
So then yer a typical knee-jerk redneck?

YES!!!! ANything is better then a damn YANK... Call me asshole if you want, I dont care just dont call me a damn yank!
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:20
real intelligence here. dont mess with this guy, he scarry.
Can you taste the finger-licking good satire??

Just so I know, does "twat" have the same meaning in America as it does here? I'd have thought that a linguistic expert like yourself would be the best person to ask.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:20
Ok so what do you call brits then?

British, or brits... as you would call us Americans.
Nimzonia
23-09-2004, 22:21
I say it does, and I'm an american. Change it, deal with it, and move on. Its that simple.

If it's that simple, then make me.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:21
We are Yanks....deal with it. It is not our place to make our own pet-names.

This has been our pet name from certain countries for quite some time and I, for one, am rather used to it. You get that way after working with a Brit in some rather frustrating situations.



Hardly. While it's a nice thought, we are not cowboys. If our population was not so hung up on government handouts, legal suits over really stupid things(read: mental trauma over spilling coffee on self), and could fend for our own darned selves and not complain about it...then we'd be cowboys.

We were cowboys at one time, but not right now. Maybe in the future things will turn around.

So.... Cowboy Up and face the music. :p

how about cowboy up and call us what we are... Americans.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:21
Okay, how about this one. Calling a Southerner a "Yank" is rather like calling a Mexican a spic or a beaner.

Does that clarify things for you?

Again, if someone doesn't mind being offensive, so be it.

Good Lord, but this thread has gone on for too long.

How the hell do you get that? Spic and beaner have racist connotations to it.

Again, from Webster:

Main Entry: spick
Variant(s): or spic or spik /'spik/
Function: noun
Etymology: by shortening & alteration from spiggoty, of unknown origin
usually offensive

Yankee does not have that connotation at all. Note, how in the definition it says usually offensive. The history of the word Yankee does not have either historical or etymological racist connotation. No one knows where the word came from, and one of the most widely held beliefs (although it doesn't have much evidence for it) was that it was a slightly derogatory word for the Dutch (note here, we ain't Dutch).

If anything, over time the word has gotten positive connotations; the Yankees preserved the union, ended slavery, and won a sh*tload of World Series. If people called us carpetbaggers, that would be derogatory; or if people call you gringo, then I can understand you getting upset. But Yankee? Come on.

Again, your analogy is false. Spic is usually derogatory, Yankee is not.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:22
Joe, you're a mong. Your idiocy is only equalled by your complete lack of anything valid to say. Grow up and realise you suck ass like a cheap gigolo.
Revolutionairy Ideals
23-09-2004, 22:22
"its not your business if all you want to do is cry about it and not do something about it. " - What do you want us to do, invade you and try cause 'regeme change'?

Some of us think that is immoral. (not to mention the fact we would lose, but that is neither here nore there)
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:22
I think that words can mean different things to different people. Just look at the word "trousers" in British-English / "pants" in American-English (pants to British means the things you wear under your trousers!).

Well, yea, you cant go around blowing fags in America, but its fine in the UK.
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:23
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.

New York is more than a city you know. I just really hate it when I say I'm from NY and most assume I'm from NYC. Yank doesn't mean yuppie, yuppie means yuppie. Yankees (at least in American eyes) are anyone from the Northeast. Being from the Northeast doesn't mean we're automatically liberal city-dwellers. If you actually spent some real time here you'd find that we have the full spread of urban, suburb, and rural life. By the way, I never asked for Hillary, I couldn't vote at the time. Buying a home in Westchester mere months before the election does NOT a New Yorker make!
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:24
I say it does, and I'm an american. Change it, deal with it, and move on. Its that simple.


Yes, the entire world should change it's language, because one Southern boy is upset! Man, do you have an ego on you.
United Mirak Provinces
23-09-2004, 22:24
im a russian american and find it hilarious when i get called a yank for sayin anything that supports uncle sam. lets see a RUSSIAN bein called a YANK....hmmmm nope no animosity whatsoever. oh and by the way i absolutely HATE bush!!! i cant stand him! he makes americans seem soo frigan stupid!!! on the other hand i also understand that the people of europe are gonna complain bout our policies... i do too. but dont hate all of us. eventually u may need america's help again and u dont want us to look the other direction.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:25
I say it does, and I'm an american. Change it, deal with it, and move on. Its that simple.
*smacks head*

Lets look at this quote again.

In America, yankee means someone from the North or Northeast, but for the rest of the world Yankee means American. Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.
Do you understand the words written here? Lets just go over them very slowly

In America,In America, to American people. From these words you know that the next thing is referring to Americans.yankee means someone from the North or Northeast,This is what you think it means.

but This word contrasts the previous sentance to the next sentance.for the rest of the world Yankee means American.
This explains how other people's opinions are different to yours.

Just because us Americans use it in a different way doesn't mean that when someone from another region uses it differently, the term has been used incorrectly.This makes the broader point that Americans aren't always completely right in every situation

Are you understanding why this comment:I say it does, and I'm an american. Change it, deal with it, and move on. Its that simple.Is completely pointless, as it goes over ground already covered?
Very Liberal Intent
23-09-2004, 22:26
The only reason that I happen to find "Yank" offensive is because I live in Massachusetts, and I completly and 100% support the SOX. I'm shocked that more Sox fans didn't respond to this post, lol.

Other than that, just deal with it, you. I mean, it's a nickname, and an inoffensive one at that. It's not like some other words that people from the south have used historically to refre to other people.

And the Red Sox WILL win it this season. I can feel it. WoooooOOOOoooOOOOooo.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:27
Well, yea, you cant go around blowing fags in America, but its fine in the UK.Actually, I think that blowing fags is okay in many states. Smoking fags on the other hand is something that most courts in America would tend to frown upon.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:27
*smacks head*

Lets look at this quote again.

Do you understand the words written here? Lets just go over them very slowly

In America, to American people. From these words you know that the next thing is referring to Americans.This is what you think it means.

This word contrasts the previous sentance to the next sentance.
This explains how other people's opinions are different to yours.

This makes the broader point that Americans aren't always completely right in every situation

Are you understanding why this comment:Is completely pointless, as it goes over ground already covered?

LOL, you kick ass.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:28
The only reason that I happen to find "Yank" offensive is because I live in Massachusetts, and I completly and 100% support the SOX. I'm shocked that more Sox fans didn't respond to this post, lol.

Other than that, just deal with it, you. I mean, it's a nickname, and an inoffensive one at that. It's not like some other words that people from the south have used historically to refre to other people.

And the Red Sox WILL win it this season. I can feel it. WoooooOOOOoooOOOOooo.


Go SOX!
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:29
The only reason that I happen to find "Yank" offensive is because I live in Massachusetts, and I completly and 100% support the SOX. I'm shocked that more Sox fans didn't respond to this post, lol.

Other than that, just deal with it, you. I mean, it's a nickname, and an inoffensive one at that. It's not like some other words that people from the south have used historically to refre to other people.

And the Red Sox WILL win it this season. I can feel it. WoooooOOOOoooOOOOooo.

Yanks were the names of the northerners that beat them in the civil war. How is it different than you being pissed for having a nickname that is the same as the rival of you favorite baseball team? I'm from NY by the way, go Yankees!
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:30
Maybe some of us americans don't like being called yanks or yankees because its like calling british people 'limeys', french people 'frogs', and somalians 'skinnys'. Perhaps its not a blatant insult, but some people just get easily ticked off by nicknames. I'm also from the South, born and raised in Georgia, but I don't mad when someone from another country calls me a Yank or Yankee. Why? Because its not worth getting upset over. We Southerners should be paying more attention to our homes, nation, and fixing the corrupt, power hungry government that our ancestors fought to leave. Now I'd like to have the South be a different country, but I can settle for the government giving back our right to the 10th Ammendment. I'd also like an apology from Washington D.C., and the money grubbing people that run it, for unjustly destroying so much of the South. I have nothing against Abe Lincoln, but he is just like George Dubya Bush: he kept changing the reasons for war, and he broke his word.

Sorry for getting off topic.

Let me share a little of my point of view. I was born in Maryland, which is a border state, could go either way. I spent 9 years in Michigan, and 4 years in Virginia. I realized REALLY quick that being from the south carried MUCH more pride then being from the north. I've lived in Mississippi and Texas too for short periods of time, and I have to say this, I AINT A DAMN YANK!

I got called a Redneck in school in michigan because of my southern accent, but soon I realized that it was something to be proud of. We are a people of honor, trust, and hospitality. Unlike the general population above or west of the border who doesnt know how to trust each other, show each other respect, and hardly ever shows hospitality.

So again, you can call us Americans as a whole, you can call those of us from the south Rednecks, or what ever you please, but dont call America as a whole Yanks, because were not. And I'm damn proud were not.
Santa Barbara
23-09-2004, 22:30
Oh come ON. Obviously, yank has a different connotation in the US than it does in the UK. Deal with it. You're not gonna get people to stop referring to us yanks as yanks anymore than you could get people to not refer to the English as limeys, even though none of them are pre-industrial sailors eating limes to prevent scurvy.

And what was that nonsense about "if anything, we're all cowboys." Blah, way to insult those of us who've grown out of John Wayne movies.
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 22:30
Who cares what people outside of our country say? The way the government has messed up, they all probably hate us.

This is to all non Americans reading this: all Southerners don't share the opinions of these people who hate the term Yank. Most of us would prefer being called Americans or Southerners, and we laugh in a good natured way when people who don't know american culture call us Yanks. But in every culture you get a few people who like to complain over stupid things.

While we're at it, are there any Brits here who find the term limey offensive? What about any French people? You know them, they're frogs! We can all just start gettin' mad over nothing!

The fact that we argue over these and other stupid nicknames shows how society is going down the drain.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:32
Naw. We'd be call 'damn rebels', 'Confederate bastards', 'traitors' and a whole slew of other names they flung at our ancestors.

And Joe, calm down boy. You traying to make us look worse than they allready see us? Geeze... I bet you got a big ole' 3 on your wall, too.

I say: call us whatever the hell you want. Just don't be suprised when most of us get pissed off at you, or give you a ten minute lecture on why Yankees suck ass and why the Confederates would have won had it not been for one damn messenger. Or something like that.

LOL whats a "Big ole' 3"?
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:32
Actually, I think that blowing fags is okay in many states. Smoking fags on the other hand is something that most courts in America would tend to frown upon.
Fag:

In Britain
http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/p-jokes/fake/cigarette-burn.jpg

In America
http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/binary/37213-273-1/stage-1737.jpeg
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:33
Can you taste the finger-licking good satire??

Just so I know, does "twat" have the same meaning in America as it does here? I'd have thought that a linguistic expert like yourself would be the best person to ask.

Ok, Spoffin would like to be called "Twat"

Your call, not mine.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:34
LOL, you kick ass.
Thank you.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:35
How the hell do you get that? Spic and beaner have racist connotations to it.

Again, from Webster:

Main Entry: spick
Variant(s): or spic or spik /'spik/
Function: noun
Etymology: by shortening & alteration from spiggoty, of unknown origin
usually offensive

Yankee does not have that connotation at all.

BULLSHIT!
Very Liberal Intent
23-09-2004, 22:35
Yanks were the names of the northerners that beat them in the civil war. How is it different than you being pissed for having a nickname that is the same as the rival of you favorite baseball team? I'm from NY by the way, go Yankees!

LOL...just in case you didn't notice, I was joking when I said that. I'm a Sox fan, but I really don't care about people around the world calling Americans Yanks.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:36
Allright... this has gone on long enough.

Joe...

I don't think that we are right for each other. Calling you "boring" doesn't do justice to just how tedious you are right now. But suffice to say that you couldn't even entertain a doubt. If there were a Pandora's Box of Tedium, life with you would be it. You're a one-trick pony, and the trick is old.

You're a legend in your own mirror. You think you're out of this world - and everyone wishes you were. You have about as much class as a bucket of snot, and are as charming as finding a dead mouse in a loaf of bread. You don't have a chip on your shoulder, you have a whole bag of ruffled.

Joe, we've been through very little together; and every bit of it was annoying and your fault. Of the one happy memory you've given me, writing this is it. Let's both go somewhere where we can each be alone.

Good-bye meatsack,

The Population of Earth, and one Southerner in particular.

PS: Oh and... hell, you can't be Southern. You don't even get a NASCAR reference.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:36
Ok, Spoffin would like to be called "Twat"

Your call, not mine.
Oh, you and your linguistic misunderstandings. So funny... thats that yankee sense of humour we appreciate so much on this side of the pond.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:36
BULLSHIT!


We're not playing a card game here, we're having a discussion/ argument. Explain why it's bullshit, cause I don't have any cards to show you.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:36
Joe, you're a mong. Your idiocy is only equalled by your complete lack of anything valid to say. Grow up and realise you suck ass like a cheap gigolo.

I'm a gigolo, but I'm not cheap!
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:37
BULLSHIT!
The only reason that it has a negative connotation to you is because you use it to insult northerners.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:38
Yes, the entire world should change it's language, because one Southern boy is upset! Man, do you have an ego on you.

Yes, I told you, I'm an American! Cowboy up, yipi ky yi a mother fucker.
Santa Barbara
23-09-2004, 22:38
you can't be Southern. You don't even get a NASCAR reference.

I got it, and I'm not Southern.

It's the gift I got from ole Bob Pratt.. :eek:
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:39
Joe, where is this "real intelligence" accept the fact you are wrong and represent a minority in America. And spic is a racist term used to describe someone of mediteranean origin. You really are a arrogant to believe the whole world revolves around you and your gun. BOOHOO!!! you were bullied at scholl, by the sounds of what you've come out with so far you deserve it. Get a grip on reality, life is not peachy.
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:39
Let me share a little of my point of view. I was born in Maryland, which is a border state, could go either way. I spent 9 years in Michigan, and 4 years in Virginia. I realized REALLY quick that being from the south carried MUCH more pride then being from the north. I've lived in Mississippi and Texas too for short periods of time, and I have to say this, I AINT A DAMN YANK!

I got called a Redneck in school in michigan because of my southern accent, but soon I realized that it was something to be proud of. We are a people of honor, trust, and hospitality. Unlike the general population above or west of the border who doesnt know how to trust each other, show each other respect, and hardly ever shows hospitality.

So again, you can call us Americans as a whole, you can call those of us from the south Rednecks, or what ever you please, but dont call America as a whole Yanks, because were not. And I'm damn proud were not.

I'm proud to be a yank dammit. I'm proud I'm a New Yorker, a citizen of New York State. As for the hospitality, I think you're talking about the difference between city-life and rural life. Cities (just about anywhere) have a lot more people and that means relationships have to be more casual. I've found the same qualities here in NY. Except in NYC you'd have to look at the neighborhood level. Maybe it is a little less so than the south. But I've found we focus more on self-reliance as well.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:39
Yes, I told you, I'm an American! Cowboy up, yipi ky yi a mother fucker.


Acceptance is the first step to recovery.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:39
*smacks head*

Lets look at this quote again.

Do you understand the words written here? Lets just go over them very slowly

In America, to American people. From these words you know that the next thing is referring to Americans.This is what you think it means.

This word contrasts the previous sentance to the next sentance.
This explains how other people's opinions are different to yours.

This makes the broader point that Americans aren't always completely right in every situation

Are you understanding why this comment:Is completely pointless, as it goes over ground already covered?

Then why do you keep bringing it up.
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 22:39
I spent 9 years in Michigan, and 4 years in Virginia. I realized REALLY quick that being from the south carried MUCH more pride then being from the north. I've lived in Mississippi and Texas too for short periods of time, and I have to say this, I AINT A DAMN YANK!

I got called a Redneck in school in michigan because of my southern accent, but soon I realized that it was something to be proud of. We are a people of honor, trust, and hospitality. Unlike the general population above or west of the border who doesnt know how to trust each other, show each other respect, and hardly ever shows hospitality.

So again, you can call us Americans as a whole, you can call those of us from the south Rednecks, or what ever you please, but dont call America as a whole Yanks, because were not. And I'm damn proud were not.

I also lived in Michigan. I don't want to offend people from there, but they assume that being from the South makes you a stump-jumin' redneck. People up North don't understand honesty and pride. Don't get me wrong, there is always a few people, but most...

We Southerners have always been proud, even in defeat. Because we know we were right, and we still are. We may have lost the war, but we know the people who say they won it only destroyed the homes and lives of good people. All the War of Northern Aggression did was secure the chance for the gov't to take our rights away.

And now, because we opposed them, we are seen as rednecks and traitors to the rest of the country. Makes you wonder why we didn't want to be part of it.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:41
I got it, and I'm not Southern.

It's the gift I got from ole Bob Pratt.. :eek:Haha, gotta love the Pratts.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:41
I'm a gigolo, but I'm not cheap!

Well done, a typically infantile answer.
Featherless Biped
23-09-2004, 22:42
then CHANGE it

You expect every country in the world that uses the term "yank" in reference to Americans to change their language overnight?

Wow, with arrogance like that you've got to be a yank.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:43
Well done, a typically infantile answer.
I wasn't gonna justify the idiocy with an answer, but well done.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:43
Allright... this has gone on long enough.

Joe...

I don't think that we are right for each other. Calling you "boring" doesn't do justice to just how tedious you are right now. But suffice to say that you couldn't even entertain a doubt. If there were a Pandora's Box of Tedium, life with you would be it. You're a one-trick pony, and the trick is old.

You're a legend in your own mirror. You think you're out of this world - and everyone wishes you were. You have about as much class as a bucket of snot, and are as charming as finding a dead mouse in a loaf of bread. You don't have a chip on your shoulder, you have a whole bag of ruffled.

Joe, we've been through very little together; and every bit of it was annoying and your fault. Of the one happy memory you've given me, writing this is it. Let's both go somewhere where we can each be alone.

Good-bye meatsack,

The Population of Earth, and one Southerner in particular.

PS: Oh and... hell, you can't be Southern. You don't even get a NASCAR reference.

I said southern, not redneck, you damn yank!
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:44
Oh, you and your linguistic misunderstandings. So funny... thats that yankee sense of humour we appreciate so much on this side of the pond.

You said it, not me, twat.
Very Liberal Intent
23-09-2004, 22:45
Yes, I told you, I'm an American! Cowboy up, yipi ky yi a mother fucker.

Wow...I just confused myself thinking about your comment. You say 'cowboy up', which I was going to post and say that that's a yankee phrase because we use it up here in the north, but then I realised that we use it to refer to the Red Sox, which are about as anti-yankee as you can get. This comment has no real relevance to the thread, by the way. Just thought I'd share my thoughts and bring some comic relief with my stupidity into the forum. Woot.
Luna Amore
23-09-2004, 22:45
Can we please archive this thread? Oh my lord this is priceless material!
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:45
I also lived in Michigan. I don't want to offend people from there, but they assume that being from the South makes you a stump-jumin' redneck. People up North don't understand honesty and pride. Don't get me wrong, there is always a few people, but most...

We Southerners have always been proud, even in defeat. Because we know we were right, and we still are. We may have lost the war, but we know the people who say they won it only destroyed the homes and lives of good people. All the War of Northern Aggression did was secure the chance for the gov't to take our rights away.

And now, because we opposed them, we are seen as rednecks and traitors to the rest of the country. Makes you wonder why we didn't want to be part of it.

Jeez, what are they teaching you guys down in the South? Is is still called the War of Northern Agression from where you're from?

Get a clue, the South started the Civil War by attacking Fort Sumter. Your side stood for slavery and industrial backwardness. Many people in the South, believe it or not, fought on the side of the Union. Why? Because they believed it was wrong to break from the Union. Of course, they were never asked, even though they lived in the states. Hey, if the rich, slave owning white guys say we should break from the Union, I'm sure they're doing it with all of our interests in mind. Seriously, it was 100 years ago; you lost a war where you were morally, politically, and socially wrong. Get over it.
Canada-Germany
23-09-2004, 22:46
Yes, I told you, I'm an American! Cowboy up, yipi ky yi a mother fucker.

Nah.

To say that you were an "American" would almost imply that the US was the only state in all the America's.

Really, it's a misnomer.

So, whilst, I suppose technicly, you are "american" because you live in one of the America's, that would also, by default, make ME an American... and I live in Canada.

So guess what? You're a Yank, I'm a Canuck, the NZ's are Kiwi's, etc.

So suck it up, shut yer trap, and go back to shining your 30-30 before I intro duce you to what a 30-06 feels like, Smile
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 22:46
am I the only one that finds it rather funny that Joe (who's full of hot) Gas hates to be called a (whiney) liberal, so he comes on to a forumn and whines about it? whine whine whine, I don't wanna be called a Yank, it hurts my wittle feewings, whine whine whine

Joe, if you were a real cowboy, you wouldn't let it get to you...you'd have other things on your mind, like shootin' 45's, goat ropin', and workin' the heard. Take it from a Good Ol' Missouri boy, you're no cowboy, you're just a whiney douche. Grow up!
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:46
Joe, where is this "real intelligence" accept the fact you are wrong and represent a minority in America. And spic is a racist term used to describe someone of mediteranean origin. You really are a arrogant to believe the whole world revolves around you and your gun. BOOHOO!!! you were bullied at scholl, by the sounds of what you've come out with so far you deserve it. Get a grip on reality, life is not peachy.

minority? Excuse me but the MAJORITY of Americans are not YANKS, and most of them who ARE yanks dont want to be called yanks...
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:47
I also lived in Michigan. I don't want to offend people from there, but they assume that being from the South makes you a stump-jumin' redneck. People up North don't understand honesty and pride. Don't get me wrong, there is always a few people, but most...

We Southerners have always been proud, even in defeat. Because we know we were right, and we still are. We may have lost the war, but we know the people who say they won it only destroyed the homes and lives of good people. All the War of Northern Aggression did was secure the chance for the gov't to take our rights away.

And now, because we opposed them, we are seen as rednecks and traitors to the rest of the country. Makes you wonder why we didn't want to be part of it.

Look at any state you'll find plenty of proud, honest, people. People will say with pride "I'm a New Yorker/Texan/Califorian/Alaskan etc. Don't generalize your region as proud/honorable just so you can feel superior.
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 22:48
minority? Excuse me but the MAJORITY of Americans are not YANKS, and most of them who ARE yanks dont want to be called yanks...


you're excused, now will you go away? if not, then provide some statistics about how these Yanks don't want to be called Yanks...
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 22:48
I'm still confused on why Joe here is so pissed off at being called a yank.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:50
minority? Excuse me but the MAJORITY of Americans are not YANKS, and most of them who ARE yanks dont want to be called yanks...

Dude, you have no proof of that. Most people I know from the North don't mind being called Yankees, unless they're from Boston, and even then they only mind in jest.

And, technically, all Americans are yanks, if the definition of a yank is someone from the United States of America, which it is, in all other countries.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 22:50
I'm a Damn Yankee now? Oh boy, this is just getting funnier and funnier.

Boy(and I assume you are no older in mind than 8), I ahave held 8 offices in the Children of the Confederacy on the Division and Chapter levels. Ask me about any battle and in ten minutes I can give you the dates, the names and what went wrong for both sides. I can tell you about the last Confederates to surrender and I can tell you, in detail, why slavery was not the cause of the war. I grew up for 10 years in Virginia, the rest of my 18 in Florida(which might as well be New Jersey: South). You want to talk who's Southern, come on. Give it your best shot.
Canada-Germany
23-09-2004, 22:50
I'm still confused on why Joe here is so pissed off at being called a yank.

Cause he's a whiny liberal yank who won't admit that he has more experiance sucking on his momma's tit than he does walking on his own two feet.
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:50
I'm a Yankee doodle dandy....
Yankee doodle, do or die....:D:D:D:D:D
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:51
you're excused, now will you go away? if not, then provide some statistics about how these Yanks don't want to be called Yanks...


The people in the South hate Yanks, because they burned thier towns, destroyed their noble, beautiful lifestyle during the Civil War. Oh yeah, and the Yanks take their guns, allowed blacks to vote (as well as ended slavery), and generally forced the South to industrialize. Damn those Yankees!

(that was sarcasm, just in case you don't get it)
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 22:52
Cause he's a whiny liberal yank who won't admit that he has more experiance sucking on his momma's tit than he does walking on his own two feet.
Hahaha. Liberal. Sure.

Have you read any of his posts in debate threads?
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:52
Jeez, what are they teaching you guys down in the South? Is is still called the War of Northern Agression from where you're from?

Get a clue, the South started the Civil War by attacking Fort Sumter. Your side stood for slavery and industrial backwardness. Many people in the South, believe it or not, fought on the side of the Union. Why? Because they believed it was wrong to break from the Union. Of course, they were never asked, even though they lived in the states. Hey, if the rich, slave owning white guys say we should break from the Union, I'm sure they're doing it with all of our interests in mind. Seriously, it was 100 years ago; you lost a war where you were morally, politically, and socially wrong. Get over it.

And many great men who were against both slavery AND breaking away from the union fought for the South (Lee comes to mind). Why? Not because they were going to change there mind about slaves, but because they were protecting their HOME and there RIGHTS.

So dont argue that point, its goes both ways just as strong.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 22:53
minority? Excuse me but the MAJORITY of Americans are not YANKS, and most of them who ARE yanks dont want to be called yanks...

Im talkin about YOUR views retard, geez you are really really intellectually challenged aren't you? I think you'll find the vast majority of the various U.S residents who have posted on this thread disagree with you. Does the term "evidence" mean nothing to you as there is plenty here that you are a blatantly mentally retarded. You lose the rest of the world wins, wake up cretin.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:53
So, whilst, I suppose technicly, you are "american" because you live in one of the America's, that would also, by default, make ME an American... and I live in Canada.



Be proud of it man, its a good thing!
Cherry Ridge
23-09-2004, 22:53
Actually, I am a Yankee. AND PROUD IF IT.
I am a Yankee to the Brits and to southerners. I am a right wing, conservative Yankee.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:54
Then why do you keep bringing it up.
He still doesn't get it.
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 22:55
The people in the South hate Yanks, because they burned thier towns, destroyed their noble, beautiful lifestyle during the Civil War. Oh yeah, and the Yanks take their guns, allowed blacks to vote (as well as ended slavery), and generally forced the South to industrialize. Damn those Yankees!

(that was sarcasm, just in case you don't get it)

I don't think I came across quite clearly enough, then, I was using ol' Joe Blow's definition of "yank".

but while I'm at it...doesn't it seem a little odd that the founding fathers (some of the most notable of whom were from virginia) relished being called a yank?
Clan HunHill
23-09-2004, 22:55
Joe Gas, would you like some cheese with that whine?




And Joe, that's a play on words. Re-read it slowly and it'll click in ... I promise.
Free Soviets
23-09-2004, 22:56
http://www.retailrealtime.com/photos/football.jpg
Football

http://www.penn-iaa.org/soccer-ball.png
Football

that's actually a particularly good analogy. the top one is in contact with people's feet for only a tiny fraction of the game. it makes no sense to call it football. yet another fine example of yanks using words incorrectly. just like southern yanks and the word yank.

the yanks will rise again!
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:56
am I the only one that finds it rather funny that Joe (who's full of hot) Gas hates to be called a (whiney) liberal, so he comes on to a forumn and whines about it? whine whine whine, I don't wanna be called a Yank, it hurts my wittle feewings, whine whine whine

Joe, if you were a real cowboy, you wouldn't let it get to you...you'd have other things on your mind, like shootin' 45's, goat ropin', and workin' the heard. Take it from a Good Ol' Missouri boy, you're no cowboy, you're just a whiney douche. Grow up!

I never said I was a Cowboy. But I'd much rathe be called one then a damn yank, as for goat ropin, I dont know what yall boys doin in Missouri.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 22:56
And many great men who were against both slavery AND breaking away from the union fought for the South (Lee comes to mind). Why? Not because they were going to change there mind about slaves, but because they were protecting their HOME and there RIGHTS.

So dont argue that point, its goes both ways just as strong.

Did you miss my point entirely?

Robert E. Lee was from the South right? And he did own slaves; so it was in his self interest to fight for the South.

Again, many Southerners fought for the NORTH; very few Northerners fought for the SOUTH. Souther whites, and southern blacks both helped the Union overcome the Confederacy. Heck, let's not forget that Maryland stayed in the Union and that West Virginia broke from Virginia. So yeah, a lot of people fought to protect their homes and their "rights", but a lot also defected from the South.
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 22:57
Actually, I am a Yankee. AND PROUD IF IT.
I am a Yankee to the Brits and to southerners. I am a right wing, conservative Yankee.

Another proud Yankee! Seems a few take it as an offense. I smile when I'm called a Yankee.
Ashmoria
23-09-2004, 22:58
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.

PARDON ME but you dont know from yankees

I AM A YANKEE. born and raised in down east maine.

my father was a yankee, born and raised in down east maine, a lifelong REPUBLICAN.

it has nothing to do with being liberal.

and yes, all americans are yankees. learn to live with it. it will keep you from having a stroke over common usages.
Cherry Ridge
23-09-2004, 22:59
Another proud Yankee! Seems a few take it as an offense. I smile when I'm called a Yankee.
Hey, If southerners are proud to be"rebels" then I am damn proud to be a Yankee.
Knight Of The Round
23-09-2004, 22:59
Dude, you have no proof of that. Most people I know from the North don't mind being called Yankees, unless they're from Boston, and even then they only mind in jest.

And, technically, all Americans are yanks, if the definition of a yank is someone from the United States of America, which it is, in all other countries.


I don't care when my british friends call me a bloody yank. I just call them limeys. It is all in fun.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 22:59
I'm a Damn Yankee now? Oh boy, this is just getting funnier and funnier.

Boy(and I assume you are no older in mind than 8), I ahave held 8 offices in the Children of the Confederacy on the Division and Chapter levels. Ask me about any battle and in ten minutes I can give you the dates, the names and what went wrong for both sides. I can tell you about the last Confederates to surrender and I can tell you, in detail, why slavery was not the cause of the war. I grew up for 10 years in Virginia, the rest of my 18 in Florida(which might as well be New Jersey: South). You want to talk who's Southern, come on. Give it your best shot.

well now I dont know much about the "Children" of the confederacy, but I am a part of the "Sons" of the confederacy, and this isnt about north or south son, its about americans being called americans, if you want to start your own topic, go ahead and do it, but keep off mine if you want to change the subject.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 22:59
You said it, not me, twat.Its things like this, the meeting of minds, the genuine intelectual discussion, that keeps me coming back to Nationstates.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:00
I consider myself a Yankee, I'm damn proud of it, and I was born and raised in Florida.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 23:00
Heck, let's not forget that Maryland stayed in the Union and that West Virginia broke from Virginia.
HOOOOOOOOOOLD IT! Now, I hate to sound like I'm on the same side as Joe, but Maryland was forced to stay in as there was no way in hell the Union was going to have thier capital surrounded by the Confederates. The entire Maryland army defected to the SOuth, though and joined teh Army of Northern Virginia.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:02
HOOOOOOOOOOLD IT! Now, I hate to sound like I'm on the same side as Joe, but Maryland was forced to stay in as there was no way in hell the Union was going to have thier capital surrounded by the Confederates. The entire Maryland army defected to the SOuth, though and joined teh Army of Northern Virginia.

Still, there were other "border states" and West Virginia did split off from Virginia.
Luna Amore
23-09-2004, 23:02
Its things like this, the meeting of minds, the genuine intelectual discussion, that keeps me coming back to Nationstates.Spoffin, you are my hero.
Crimmond
23-09-2004, 23:03
well now I dont know much about the "Children" of the confederacy, but I am a part of the "Sons" of the confederacy, and this isnt about north or south son, its about americans being called americans, if you want to start your own topic, go ahead and do it, but keep off mine if you want to change the subject.well, look up the CofC. Along with the United Dughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to edumacate one such as yourself. And this is about North to South, boy. You're teh one that called me a Yank... remember?
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 23:03
that's actually a particularly good analogy. the top one is in contact with people's feet for only a tiny fraction of the game. it makes no sense to call it football. yet another fine example of yanks using words incorrectly. just like southern yanks and the word yank.

the yanks will rise again!
These crazy yanks. You know that the Sierra Nevada mountains, after which the state Nevada is named, are located in other states (namely California) for a much greater percentage of their length? Same goes for the Mississippi river.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:03
that's actually a particularly good analogy. the top one is in contact with people's feet for only a tiny fraction of the game. it makes no sense to call it football. yet another fine example of yanks using words incorrectly. just like southern yanks and the word yank.

the yanks will rise again!

As an avid FOOTBALL player, I agree. I dont use my hands or wear pads to play football, well maybe shin pads.

However I'm STILL NOT A DAMN YANK!
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 23:04
forget the who broke from the union, and who didn't stuff for a minute...we need to get back to the real task at hand...why Joe Blowhard is, in fact, a Yank, not a Cowboy, and that all the whining going on is making him sound like a douche.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 23:04
Spoffin, you are my hero.
Lol. Thank you

*signs autograph*
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 23:06
Jeez, what are they teaching you guys down in the South? Is is still called the War of Northern Agression from where you're from?

Get a clue, the South started the Civil War by attacking Fort Sumter. Your side stood for slavery and industrial backwardness. Many people in the South, believe it or not, fought on the side of the Union. Why? Because they believed it was wrong to break from the Union. Of course, they were never asked, even though they lived in the states. Hey, if the rich, slave owning white guys say we should break from the Union, I'm sure they're doing it with all of our interests in mind. Seriously, it was 100 years ago; you lost a war where you were morally, politically, and socially wrong. Get over it.

The schools call it the Civil War. But it wasn't a civil war. A civil war is two or more factions fighting for control of a government. The south was fighting to defend its own government. But they call it the Civil War because the victors write the history books. I used the term War of Northern Agression so that others in the country can hear it, pull their heads out of their butts, and realize that other people exist in this country, and they are still hurting from acts the gov't illegally committed more than 100 years ago.

The constitution and Declaration of Independence demonstrate the legality of seccession. "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ... --The Declaration of Independence"


Lincoln said that he believed he had no right to abolish slavery or that it was legal to abolish it. Ya know what else? Before the north abolished its slaves, realizing it would miss out on the money it payed to ship them in, they sould them south. Another funny thing, 4 out of 5 southerners didn't own slaves. And records show that 1,700 black people in the south owned slaves. Blacks owning blacks? It happened.


"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant

A U.S. general said that. It shows you that only the tricked or ignorant believe the Civil War was fought over slavery. It was fought over states' rights. The belief that states could tell the federal gov't to back off. But the south lost and states' rights was destroyed. Now the gov't practically owns us. We disagree with them, and we are put in jail or deported, and trumped up 'terrorist' charges are made.

After the war ended, Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis on trial, and hung. But the supreme court said that if Jefferson Davis went to jail, he'd win. They said that technically the South broke no laws.

FYI: I moved to Michigan a few years ago, and went through high School here. Remember, I don't care about slaves, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Lee, Longstreet, and 'Stonewall' Jackson didn't care either. The war was about the power of the federal gov't.

Try not to forget that. If you believe the whole slavery thing, you probably believe that Iraq had WMD when we invaded, and that Kerry was never in Vietnam.
Syndra
23-09-2004, 23:06
Whiney redneck Americans.

Oh, and Yankees, that too.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:07
Did you miss my point entirely?

Robert E. Lee was from the South right? And he did own slaves; so it was in his self interest to fight for the South.

Again, many Southerners fought for the NORTH; very few Northerners fought for the SOUTH. Souther whites, and southern blacks both helped the Union overcome the Confederacy. Heck, let's not forget that Maryland stayed in the Union and that West Virginia broke from Virginia. So yeah, a lot of people fought to protect their homes and their "rights", but a lot also defected from the South.

No.

No no no no no! Robert E Lee did NOT own slaves, he was against slavery, and why do people think that EVERYONE in the south owned slaves?

Yes, he was from the south, but he was a Union General before he joined the south, in fact they asked him to LEAD the Union Army.

And Maryland only stayed in the Union because they were occupied. remember where the whitehouse is.
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 23:08
As an avid FOOTBALL player, I agree. I dont use my hands or wear pads to play football, well maybe shin pads.

However I'm STILL NOT A DAMN YANK!
Bit of a chip on my shoulder here, I've never understood the big deal about padding and stuff in American football. When we play Rugby, you wear a gumshield so you don't loose any teeth, you wear a cup so you can still have children and you tape your ears to the side of your head so they don't get ripped off. American football... shoulderpads, chestpads, kneepads, shinpads, elbowpads... and a cup, and a gumshield and a helmet to stop your ears getting ripped off.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 23:08
The schools call it the Civil War. That is because the victors write the history books. I used the term War of Northern Agression so that others in the country can hear it, pull their heads out of their butts, and realize that other people exist in this country, and they are still hurting from acts the gov't illegally committed more than 100 years ago.

The constitution and Declaration of Independence demonstrate the legality of seccession. "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ... --The Declaration of Independence"


Licoln said that he believed he had no right to abolish slavery or that it was legal to abolish it. Ya know what else? Before the north abolished its slaves, realizing it would miss out on the money it payed to ship them in, they sould them south. Another funny thing, 4 out of 5 southerners didn't own slaves. And records show that 1,700 black people in the south owned slaves. Blacks owning blacks? It happened.


"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant

A U.S. general said that. It shows you that only the tricked or ignorant believe the Civil War was fought over slavery. It was fought over states' rights. The belief that states could tell the federal gov't to back off. But the south lost and states' rights was destroyed. Now the gov't practically owns us. We disagree with them, and we are put in jail or deported, and trumped up 'terrorist' charges are made.

After the war ended, Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis on trial, and hung. But the supreme court said that if Jefferson Davis went to jail, he'd win. They said that technically the South broke no laws.

FYI: I moved to Michigan a few years ago, and went through high School here. Remember, I don't care about slaves, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Lee, Longstreet, and 'Stonewall' Jackson didn't care either. The war was about the power of the federal gov't.

Try not to forget that.

It was about more than that, it was about many issues. And if you are still angry about stuff a century ago, get a life!
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 23:09
After the war ended, Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis on trial, and hung. But the supreme court said that if Jefferson Davis went to jail, he'd win. They said that technically the South broke no laws.


treason
1Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
dictionary.com
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 23:09
These crazy yanks. You know that the Sierra Nevada mountains, after which the state Nevada is named, are located in other states (namely California) for a much greater percentage of their length? Same goes for the Mississippi river.

Besides Las Vegas, the Sierra Nevada Mountains are just about the only feature in Nevada besides desert. Mississippi happens to be one of the states at the mouth of the river, so it makes sense that it is named after the river (Louisiana obviously came from being part of the larger Louisiana territory). I don't really care, but there is a justification for those names.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:10
well, look up the CofC. Along with the United Dughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to edumacate one such as yourself. And this is about North to South, boy. You're teh one that called me a Yank... remember?

cuz your actin like one, I call em like I see em.
West Dorsetshire
23-09-2004, 23:10
to anyone from overseas an american is a yankee. to anyone from the southern states a northerner is a yankee. to anyone in the north someone from new york or parts north is a yankee. to anyone in new york someone from connecticut is a yankee. to people from connecticut someone from new hampshire is a yankee. to be a true yankee, recognized by all as such, you MUST enjoy home cooked baked beans and be from down east maine, the true home of the yankee. it all depends upon your geographical locale. as a naturalized american and mainer (and lover of home cooked baked beans) i'm proud to call myself a yankee. i'd much rather be a yankee than an inbred southern redneck rebel hill-billy hick like joe gas.

"and hillbillies prefer to be called 'sons of the soil'. but it ain't gonna happen..." - dr. hibbert
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 23:10
Bit of a chip on my shoulder here, I've never understood the big deal about padding and stuff in American football. When we play Rugby, you wear a gumshield so you don't loose any teeth, you wear a cup so you can still have children and you tape your ears to the side of your head so they don't get ripped off. American football... shoulderpads, chestpads, kneepads, shinpads, elbowpads... and a cup, and a gumshield and a helmet to stop your ears getting ripped off.

Depends on your position and personally in no8 and i wear a gumshield and scrum cap thats it. Ive never heard of a cup being used!!
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 23:12
cuz your actin like one, I call em like I see em.

Not been very accurate about yourself so far have we cretin?
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 23:12
Bit of a chip on my shoulder here, I've never understood the big deal about padding and stuff in American football. When we play Rugby, you wear a gumshield so you don't loose any teeth, you wear a cup so you can still have children and you tape your ears to the side of your head so they don't get ripped off. American football... shoulderpads, chestpads, kneepads, shinpads, elbowpads... and a cup, and a gumshield and a helmet to stop your ears getting ripped off.

When the sport was young too many college students were dying from concussions. Public outcry over a few people that get themselves killed once again ruin things for everyone (same thing happened with firecrackers).
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 23:13
treason
1Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
dictionary.com

Treason is punishable by death or imprisonment, you're right. But Jefferson Davis and most southerners had their citizenship revoked by the gov't. Non-citizens can't be traitors. :D
Spoffin
23-09-2004, 23:13
Besides Las Vegas, the Sierra Nevada Mountains are just about the only feature in Nevada besides desert. Why didn't it get called "Deserta" or something, like "Montana" did then? Is sorta strikes me as someone looks at the area that became Nevada and goes "Hmm. Most of it is a flat desert, but there are these mountains right on the edge here.... which should we call this state after?"
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 23:14
forget the who broke from the union, and who didn't stuff for a minute...we need to get back to the real task at hand...why Joe Blowhard is, in fact, a Yank, not a Cowboy, and that all the whining going on is making him sound like a douche.

same deal...just this time change what we're coming from to football/rugby
HadesRulesMuch
23-09-2004, 23:15
Actually, as a southerner, I think it is pretty damn stupid for a bunch of Europeans to lay claim to a meaning of the word "Yankee" that originated with the Hispanic population. So in my opinion, the only people allowed to call me a friggin Yank are the Hispanics, and they are all smaller than me. So if they tick me off too much, I can prolly take 'em. However, as for the French, English, and everyone else callin us all Yanks, I believe they know exactly how offensive that term is to the majority of Americans who do not live in New England, and if they choose to use it anyways, then they are doing it out of spite. And for that, you are a dick. It would be like me referring to Jews as Kikes, Polish as Polacks, blacks as niggers (please don't start hollerin about how I'm racist for typing "******", you will look like a fool), or French as fucking pansies. In all cases, they are equally offensive. So don't do it to me, or I'll do it to you. Plus, only a truly pathetic individual actually insults people over the internet in ways they wouldn't dare do in person. If you think anonymity means you can talk trash, then you are quite simply a yeller-bellied, lilly-livered, no good two-bit dirty rotten cheat liar thief and scum-bag. That's about all I got to say on that topic.
Valuus
23-09-2004, 23:17
It's a retarded concept to get pissy over being called a yank. I don't mind being called a yank. I talk to people in the UK and they call me a Yank. I don't mind, though I'm in New York state so it wouldn't bother me as much.
But still as the one guy said. He lives in florida and doesn't mind being called a yank.

This is easily one of the stupidest threads i've ever seen.
Sir Peter the sage
23-09-2004, 23:17
Why didn't it get called "Deserta" or something, like "Montana" did then? Is sorta strikes me as someone looks at the area that became Nevada and goes "Hmm. Most of it is a flat desert, but there are these mountains right on the edge here.... which should we call this state after?"

Well I imagine Nevada sounds better than desert wasteland. :D:D
Blackledge
23-09-2004, 23:17
It was about more than that, it was about many issues. And if you are still angry about stuff a century ago, get a life!

If you're not an American, I understand why you wouldn't understand. But if you are you have to know that the effects of that war are still being felt today. The passing of the Patriot Act is another thing that many people and states want to get rid of, but can't. Why? Because the civil war sealed the belief that the Federal Government has final say!The need for more rights and states' rights is still being felt today. And FYI: more northerners came south to help the confederacy than southerners who went north too fight for the Union.
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 23:17
uh-oh...here it comes....."YANK!"
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:17
Why didn't it get called "Deserta" or something, like "Montana" did then? Is sorta strikes me as someone looks at the area that became Nevada and goes "Hmm. Most of it is a flat desert, but there are these mountains right on the edge here.... which should we call this state after?"

Yall mind if I change the state of Maryland's name too? It isnt too mary around here.
Ashmoria
23-09-2004, 23:20
to anyone from overseas an american is a yankee. to anyone from the southern states a northerner is a yankee. to anyone in the north someone from new york or parts north is a yankee. to anyone in new york someone from connecticut is a yankee. to people from connecticut someone from new hampshire is a yankee. to be a true yankee, recognized by all as such, you MUST enjoy home cooked baked beans and be from down east maine, the true home of the yankee. it all depends upon your geographical locale. as a naturalized american and mainer (and lover of home cooked baked beans) i'm proud to call myself a yankee. i'd much rather be a yankee than an inbred southern redneck rebel hill-billy hick like joe gas.

"and hillbillies prefer to be called 'sons of the soil'. but it ain't gonna happen..." - dr. hibbert
DAMN I miss the baked bean suppers that the local grange used to hold!
ooooo baked beans and brown bread, food of the GODS!!
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 23:21
Actually, as a southerner, I think it is pretty damn stupid for a bunch of Europeans to lay claim to a meaning of the word "Yankee" that originated with the Hispanic population. So in my opinion, the only people allowed to call me a friggin Yank are the Hispanics, and they are all smaller than me. So if they tick me off too much, I can prolly take 'em. However, as for the French, English, and everyone else callin us all Yanks, I believe they know exactly how offensive that term is to the majority of Americans who do not live in New England, and if they choose to use it anyways, then they are doing it out of spite. And for that, you are a dick. It would be like me referring to Jews as Kikes, Polish as Polacks, blacks as niggers (please don't start hollerin about how I'm racist for typing "******", you will look like a fool), or French as fucking pansies. In all cases, they are equally offensive. So don't do it to me, or I'll do it to you. Plus, only a truly pathetic individual actually insults people over the internet in ways they wouldn't dare do in person. If you think anonymity means you can talk trash, then you are quite simply a yeller-bellied, lilly-livered, no good two-bit dirty rotten cheat liar thief and scum-bag. That's about all I got to say on that topic.

Do I detect a hint of hypocrisy? I think so!!!
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:21
[QUOTE=Valuus]It's a retarded concept to get pissy over being called a yank. I don't mind being called a yank. I talk to people in the UK and they call me a Yank. I don't mind, though I'm in New York state so it wouldn't bother me as much.
[\QUOTE]

I've got black friends, more then a few, and when they talk to each other ist "Waz up nigga" but if I were to do the same thing I'd be shot.

If you dont mind it, its fine... I MIND! so again... DONT CALL ME A DAMN YANK.
Joe Gas
23-09-2004, 23:22
Ok thank you all, I enjoyed this topic very much.

Good day to you all

Joe
Ferkus
23-09-2004, 23:24
To be fair, Yank is a lot better than some of the things we could call you.
Daniel Britts
23-09-2004, 23:25
I've got black friends, more then a few, and when they talk to each other ist "Waz up nigga" but if I were to do the same thing I'd be shot.

If you dont mind it, its fine... I MIND! so again... DONT CALL ME A DAMN YANK.

I'm white, I call some of my black friends "Nigga"...I can't say that I've ever been shot. then again the word "nigga" isn't protected speach...yank easily is. that's like saying "if you don't mind getting punched in the face, that's fine, but don't poke me!" whiney.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:27
The schools call it the Civil War. That is because the victors write the history books. I used the term War of Northern Agression so that others in the country can hear it, pull their heads out of their butts, and realize that other people exist in this country, and they are still hurting from acts the gov't illegally committed more than 100 years ago.

The constitution and Declaration of Independence demonstrate the legality of seccession. "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ... --The Declaration of Independence"


Licoln said that he believed he had no right to abolish slavery or that it was legal to abolish it. Ya know what else? Before the north abolished its slaves, realizing it would miss out on the money it payed to ship them in, they sould them south. Another funny thing, 4 out of 5 southerners didn't own slaves. And records show that 1,700 black people in the south owned slaves. Blacks owning blacks? It happened.


"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant

A U.S. general said that. It shows you that only the tricked or ignorant believe the Civil War was fought over slavery. It was fought over states' rights. The belief that states could tell the federal gov't to back off. But the south lost and states' rights was destroyed. Now the gov't practically owns us. We disagree with them, and we are put in jail or deported, and trumped up 'terrorist' charges are made.

After the war ended, Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis on trial, and hung. But the supreme court said that if Jefferson Davis went to jail, he'd win. They said that technically the South broke no laws.

FYI: I moved to Michigan a few years ago, and went through high School here. Remember, I don't care about slaves, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Lee, Longstreet, and 'Stonewall' Jackson didn't care either. The war was about the power of the federal gov't.

Try not to forget that.

Yeah, Lincoln publicy said that, but privately, in many of his letters, he explained that he did have the right, and the duty to expel slavery. In fact, he almost thought it his God given right.

One US General agrees with you, holy macro, you must be right. It's not like General Grant supported the abolishment of slavery, reconstruction, and the protection of freed slaves once he was president... oh no, wait, he did support all of that!

The Declaration of Independence, while a masterpiece, is not a document of any standing within our government; the Constitution is the law of the land, and nowhere in the Constitution does it explicitly say that states can part the union. That means, then, that it's up to the Supreme Court to decide; the Supreme Court sided with Lincoln on that one.

How was it an illegal act to defend Fort Sumter? Remember, the Confederacy decided to overtake forts and naval stations that belonged to the federal government of the United States of America. Just because the government of those states left the union, that does not mean that the USA's troops, navy, and forts automatically go with those states if they're on those states' property. The South attacked the North; the South started an illegal war.

Your 4 out of 5 statistic bolsters my point. Most Southerners fought to defend a "right" they didn't even need. Nor were those 4 out of 5 asked whether they wanted to suceed or not. The rich, 1 out of 5, decided for them and then paid not to fight in the Confederate Army. So, some blacks owned black slaves; but no one owned white slaves, so to use that as even a minor justification or mellowing of slavery as it existed in America is horrendous. No matter how you place it, slavery was an institution of hate, racism, and ignorance.

I know the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery alone, but the issue of slavery was the one that caused the South to leave. Yeah, you can argue that it was the right to own slaves, and not the institution of slavery itself, but those are just semantics. At the bottom, slavery was a major issue, along with state rights, economic disparities, and any of the other 100 reasons one can name.

The war was about the power of government, it was also about slavery, economic differences, and preserving the Union.

The South started the war, the South was morally (slavery), politically (you can't leave the union, the federal government supercedes state governments), economically (industrialization, not cotton production rules supreme) and socially (racism is bad) wrong. So please, stop with all the boo hoo, poor South stuff. I'll agree that the South did take great punishment because of the war, and is still lagging behind the north in many critical areas because of it; but stop justifying the war. You can coherently argue that the North did a lot of bad things during the War, but you can't argue the war was not justified.
Slabatania
23-09-2004, 23:27
To be fair, Yank is a lot better than some of the things we could call you.

Careful!! Most Americans are safe. Its just the occasional few who are more than a little mentally retarded and arrogant e.g my bestest best buddy joe gas.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:30
Actually, as a southerner, I think it is pretty damn stupid for a bunch of Europeans to lay claim to a meaning of the word "Yankee" that originated with the Hispanic population. So in my opinion, the only people allowed to call me a friggin Yank are the Hispanics, and they are all smaller than me. So if they tick me off too much, I can prolly take 'em. However, as for the French, English, and everyone else callin us all Yanks, I believe they know exactly how offensive that term is to the majority of Americans who do not live in New England, and if they choose to use it anyways, then they are doing it out of spite. And for that, you are a dick. It would be like me referring to Jews as Kikes, Polish as Polacks, blacks as niggers (please don't start hollerin about how I'm racist for typing "******", you will look like a fool), or French as fucking pansies. In all cases, they are equally offensive. So don't do it to me, or I'll do it to you. Plus, only a truly pathetic individual actually insults people over the internet in ways they wouldn't dare do in person. If you think anonymity means you can talk trash, then you are quite simply a yeller-bellied, lilly-livered, no good two-bit dirty rotten cheat liar thief and scum-bag. That's about all I got to say on that topic.

Hispanics call Americans gringos, not Yankees (although, they do sometimes use it). Racist dumbass.
Free Soviets
23-09-2004, 23:30
The schools call it the Civil War. But it wasn't a civil war. A civil war is two or more factions fighting for control of a government. The south was fighting to defend its own government. But they call it the Civil War because the victors write the history books. I used the term War of Northern Agression so that others in the country can hear it, pull their heads out of their butts, and realize that other people exist in this country, and they are still hurting from acts the gov't illegally committed more than 100 years ago.

calling it the war of northern agression is even stupider than calling it a civil war. the south attacked first. this would make it the war of northern retaliation, though i prefer it to be called "the war of dumb southern agression and northern righteous smackdown"
Ferkus
23-09-2004, 23:30
Careful!! Most Americans are safe. Its just the occasional few who are more than a little mentally retarded and arrogant e.g my bestest best buddy joe gas.


I don't doubt it, it just seems that the retarded arrogant ones are loudest
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 23:35
Ok thank you all, I enjoyed this topic very much.

Good day to you all

Joe
Am I the only one who noticed that Joe went from near flaming to thanking everyone for participating in this topic?
Creepsville
23-09-2004, 23:36
Again, your analogy is false. Spic is usually derogatory, Yankee is not.

Can't believe this thread is still dragging on. Again, "Yank" or "Yankee" sure as hell has negative connotations to it if you happen to be standing in the South.

Again, hey, if you want to be insulting and feel comfortable with that, roll with it.
Blahblahbia
23-09-2004, 23:38
"the war of dumb southern agression and northern righteous smackdown"
Righteous smackdown? Ha! The only reason the north won was because Grant had an endless flow of immigrants he could dupe into becoming cannon fodder.
Ashmoria
23-09-2004, 23:41
PSSSST
now that joe is gone....

has anyone else vowed to call him a yank anytime they are in a heated discussion with him?
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:42
Can't believe this thread is still dragging on. Again, "Yank" or "Yankee" sure as hell has negative connotations to it if you happen to be standing in the South.

Again, hey, if you want to be insulting and feel comfortable with that, roll with it.

How does it have a negative connotation? The only way that's true is if you assume Americans from the North are somehow inferior, evil, or in some aspect bad when compared to Southerners.

Plus, in the context used by non-Americans, it does not mean Northerner, it means American. Does the word American have negative connotation? I hope not.

If you want to argue that a Northerner calling a Southerner a yankee than that would be derogatory, I can see the argument, but if it's a foreigner calling you that, then no, it isn't derogatory. Why? Because it means America, not Northerner.
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 23:42
PSSSST
now that joe is gone....

has anyone else vowed to call him a yank anytime they are in a heated discussion with him?
Yes. :D
Ferkus
23-09-2004, 23:44
How would it be possible for a Northener to be derogatory to a southerner by calling him Yankee?
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:45
How would it be possible for a Northener to be derogatory to a southerner by calling him Yankee?

If you're asking me, I said I can see the argument, not that I believe it. The underlying assumption in that argument would be that Southerners are superior to Northerners.
Kleptonis
23-09-2004, 23:46
Joe was saying he was from Maryland, and he was calling himself a southerner. I know quite a few people who'd like to beat him south of the border for that.

Most of us Marylanders consider ourselves Northerners or Mid-Atlantic.
Ferkus
23-09-2004, 23:48
But in essence, surely the Northener would be saying, "you are one of us" he would not be derogatory as he is not saying that the southerner is bad unless he is also implying that he is bad.
Nueva America
23-09-2004, 23:50
But in essence, surely the Northener would be saying, "you are one of us" he would not be derogatory as he is not saying that the southerner is bad unless he is also implying that he is bad.

I guess, the assumption would be that Southerners would see this as Northerners bringing them down (Southerners are above Northerners, and by calling them Northerners you are disparaging them). Other than that, I don't really know how you'd argue that being called a Yankee (meaning Northerner) would be derogatory.

And I definetely don't know how youd' find Yankee (meaning American) derogatory.
Inculpatu
23-09-2004, 23:53
Oh let it die, we lost the war, and as punishment, we've lost our statues as the most cultured part of America, and reduced to statues, of ass-of-America. Hanging a Confederate flag over your bed, does not a rebel make. The more we dwell on these things, the longer the South will suck. You want to help? Work for the land you love so much, and try to make the best of it.

I am a Southerner by birth and a Rebel by choice. As I read and study, I pull for Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet. As I live, I thank Grant, Lincoln, and Democracy
Keruvalia
23-09-2004, 23:56
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.


*singing* If I were mod for a day ....

Oh .. and Defense Secretary Dick Cheney is the reason we didn't "finish what we started" in 1991. He said that the cost in lives and resources would be too great to justify removing Saddam from power. The mission of Operation Desert Storm was to liberate Kuwait. Mission Accomplished.

Go crawl back in your hole, please ..... yank.
Unfree People
23-09-2004, 23:57
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.
It's true, most Americans aren't Yanks. But I've given up trying to correct the rest of the world on this point.
Newer United Kingdom
24-09-2004, 00:00
Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people, i went to a camp with people from the UK, Canada, and the US, I'm from Boston (Go Sox, the YAnkees are choking like a president on a pretzle) we called the people from the UK Brits, and the canidian Fricking Canucks (they didn't like that :rolleyes: ) I don't mind bein called a Yank, southerners don't like it, how bout a person from the northwest, people, calm down, It's just a name, no need for 30-30 rifles(:sniper: ) or anything to grt involved :mp5:

:headbang: 1 thing that really pissed me off, I'm from Mass, but I'm NOT a LIBREAL PINKO COMMIE! I voted for Bush all the way. :headbang:


Southerners are not superior to northerners, northerners started the American REvolution and won out section rid of the British forces long before the South did
Salamae
24-09-2004, 00:04
Righteous smackdown? Ha! The only reason the north won was because Grant had an endless flow of immigrants he could dupe into becoming cannon fodder.

Yep, that's pretty much the truth. Check out the casualties from the Battle of the Wilderness and you'll see that the Southerners were killing off about 2 of Grant's men for every 1 they lost... but they just couldn't afford to lose as many men. McClellan was afraid to risk his mens' lives, Grant didn't give a shit. That's why Grant won the war for the North-- he was a heartless, callous, alcoholic bastard who could do the math well enough to realize he couldn't lose a front-on charge.

And the fact is, he didn't lose it. Like it or not, the North won the war. Like it or not, it's over-- for better or for worse.
Free Soviets
24-09-2004, 00:04
Righteous smackdown? Ha! The only reason the north won was because Grant had an endless flow of immigrants he could dupe into becoming cannon fodder.

i didn't say easy, i said righteous. as in the morally correct thing to do. john brown had the right idea.
Slabatania
24-09-2004, 00:05
Well i go to go, thanks for the enthralling debate and apologies to those who deserve it.
Ferkus
24-09-2004, 00:05
Anyway, the English save the most insults for Europeans, and the best name the Frogs have thought up for us are the "roastbeefs"
Salamae
24-09-2004, 00:07
To someone outside the United States, a Yankee is a US citizen.

To someone from the South, a Yankee is a Northerner.

To someone from the North, a Yankee is from New England.

To someone from New England, a Yankee is from Vermont.

To someone from Vermont, a Yankee is someone who eats apple pie every Sunday.



Does that settle anything?
Ferkus
24-09-2004, 00:08
No, what does someone from Vermont who eats Apple Pie every Sunda think a Yankee is?
Salamae
24-09-2004, 00:16
No, what does someone from Vermont who eats Apple Pie every Sunda think a Yankee is?

Oh no, you're right! We'll have to find one and ask him!
Guatamalestan
24-09-2004, 00:19
I think you have to remember to the average Brit the term Yank is just a time saving device.Its alot quicker than saying American.British people have alot of more or less neutral terms to describe people
New Zealand=Kiwi
Australia=Auzzie
Ireland=Paddy/Mick
Japan=Japs
Liverpool=Scouser/Scally
Manchester= Manc
Scotland=Jock
Wales=Taffy

None of these although may be found by those who are over zealous in their political correctness ( and if your one of those people then you do more harm the the hardcore racists) are containing any malice.They are plain and simply slang,If someone wanted to offend you Im sure they would use something far more creative than the word yank.
Newer United Kingdom
24-09-2004, 00:22
Being "politiacl Correct matters only a little Just dont get in a 13 page argument on a FORUM on the inte...whops too late

Thanks I forgot bout Aussies and Kiwis, in a nother forum we use this al the time
Tallaris
24-09-2004, 00:29
I'm still confused on why Joe here is so pissed off at being called a yank.
Maybe he wants us to call him a Jonny Reb? ;)
Upitatanium
24-09-2004, 00:29
how about cowboy up and call us what we are... Americans.

"Americans" has too many syllables. It is also EXACTLY what you are and defeats the purpose of having a cute pet name.

Maybe if the US weren't such cowboys we wouldn't add "damn" or "bloody" before we said "Yanks" and you wouldn't feel so bad about it.

Then again you ARE taking this thing too seriously, Joe. Lighten up.

OH YEAH!...

Aussies in the room: What do you call Canadians? Got a cute name for us? If not I demand one. 'Canuck' isn't good enough for an aussie....it has no aussie 'colour'.
Goed
24-09-2004, 00:40
See, I have a friend in England, and he meshes Australia and the US together with "colonial." I find it hilarious :p

Oh, and the only one I really use is kiwi, but she likes that name :p
Joe Gas
24-09-2004, 16:42
Am I the only one who noticed that Joe went from near flaming to thanking everyone for participating in this topic?

This is my reply to "Why dont americans get sarcasim" for those who didnt know.

//Signed//
A damn yank! :-)
Jeruselem
24-09-2004, 16:55
On the topic of Americans, Australians used to call Americans "Seppos" in the relation to a Septic tank. This is relating to what Americans talk. :)
Ordoo
24-09-2004, 17:09
I call aussies belowbie's
Daistallia 2104
24-09-2004, 17:27
As a Southerner* I apologise for Joe Gas' behavior.

Joe, excuse me but you are an embarassment. Cool it. If you want to convince people to use the proper terms, try this example (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358012). Remember you are a Southerner and mind your manners. You would do better.

Furthermore, remeber that American covers all those from Canada to Tierra del Fuego**. People from the US do not have exclusive right to the term.

*Pre-revolutioonary southern stock, both sides - aristocratic English Talbots and Carlton's on one side, poor Scot-Irish/Cherokee mix on the other.
** Not that they all want to be called American...
Clonetopia
24-09-2004, 17:43
On the topic of Americans, Australians used to call Americans "Seppos" in the relation to a Septic tank. This is relating to what Americans talk. :)

Septic Tank is cockney rhyming slang for Yank.
Kanabia
24-09-2004, 18:27
Septic Tank is cockney rhyming slang for Yank.

Yank, wank, and septic tank....

Funnily enough i've never actually heard that spoken, only written.
Joe Gas
24-09-2004, 18:27
As a Southerner* I apologise for Joe Gas' behavior.

Joe, excuse me but you are an embarassment. Cool it. If you want to convince people to use the proper terms, try this example (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358012). Remember you are a Southerner and mind your manners. You would do better.

:headbang: Oh well, I guess you dont get it

Furthermore, remeber that American covers all those from Canada to Tierra del Fuego**. People from the US do not have exclusive right to the term.

*Pre-revolutioonary southern stock, both sides - aristocratic English Talbots and Carlton's on one side, poor Scot-Irish/Cherokee mix on the other.
** Not that they all want to be called American...

:gundge: Presto chango, now go away.
Layarteb
24-09-2004, 18:30
Yanks are not liberal yuppies. Yanks are us northerners (to the southerners). I live in New York. I'm certainly not a liberal yuppie. I'm a Yank. Plus I like the Yankees.
Joe Gas
24-09-2004, 18:36
I wish you all could see, I've got 3 brits, a south affrican, and an blunder from down under all laughing there asses off at us in my office. They know better then to take me serious.

Its a shame we cant have this debate in real life, then you can see when I'm being sarcastic, which is well, most of the time.

Again, I enjoyed it, I'm still laughing. :D

By the time people get to this page they give up on reading and just post, but I'm sure some of you will read this.

Joe

Yank me spank me throw me in the dirt
I dont care cuz names dont hurt. :p :eek: :p
RoanCladdagh2
24-09-2004, 18:48
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.
I'm from new york, I despise Clinton, Kerry is no better or worse than Bush and I am marrying one of you "southerners" so what does that make me?
Daistallia 2104
24-09-2004, 18:51
Oh well, I guess you dont get it
Presto chango, now go away.

OOOhhhh. An articulate argument. STFU and quit embarassing real southerners. We don't need your noxious assiatance. Your hateful approach hurts more than helps.
Iakeokeo
24-09-2004, 19:07
[Slabatania #5]
CONGRATULATIONS!!! You have just managed to exactly emulate the exact behaviour of the stereotypical American. So your'e in the forces? great! I have an idea, why dont you sit back and reflect on the hypocrisy of your'e previous statement.1) America is the reason the world is the main country that enjoys meddling in other people's business without or without U.N backing e.g Somalia or Iraq 2. 2) Why dont you just try to resolve something without your gun for a change? Trying to compensate for something? thats why the Americans are vilified in the middle east, the hate you getting involved in private affairs, they hate your increasingly imperialistic attitudes and the therefore hate you. And so does most of the world too.

First I have to clean up the formatting of this idiot's "writing".

CONGRATULATIONS!!! You have just managed to exactly emulate the exact behaviour of the stereotypical American.

So your'e in the forces? great! I have an idea, why dont you sit back and reflect on the hypocrisy of your'e previous statement.

1) America is the reason the world is the main country that enjoys meddling in other people's business without or without U.N backing e.g Somalia or Iraq

2) Why dont you just try to resolve something without your gun for a change? Trying to compensate for something?

thats why the Americans are vilified in the middle east, the hate you getting involved in private affairs, they hate your increasingly imperialistic attitudes and the therefore hate you. And so does most of the world too.




I'm not going to worry about the spelling, grammar, puntuation, etc... :)

.."America is the reason the world is the main country that enjoys meddling...."..

What...?

Interpretation: America disrespects the UN.

Gotta agree with you on that one.

.."Why dont you just try to resolve something without your gun for a change? Trying to compensate for something?"..

People such as terrorists don't respect the views of others (as far as "resolving things" is concerned), and as they only respect force as a form of communication, and people such as you are incapable and unwilling to use force to enforce "the good", then we will use the appropriate tool for the appropriate job.

I'm sure you have nothing to compensate for, as it makes no sense to compensate for what you've never had.

.."thats why the Americans are vilified in the middle east, the hate you getting involved in private affairs, they hate your increasingly imperialistic attitudes and the therefore hate you."..

They hate the US getting involved in "private affairs"....!?

We get involved in any affair that is of national interest to us.

And what does the premiere World Body do..... "Food For Oil".


Thank you for illustrating the idiotic self-serving rhetoric of your ilk. :)
Keruvalia
24-09-2004, 19:14
Fun! :D
Zyban
24-09-2004, 19:15
Exactly, national interest...and screw the consequences for the rest of the world.
A Hitlers Nazi Germany
24-09-2004, 19:17
Touche Iakeokeo!! :)
New Thule
24-09-2004, 19:35
listen here yanke don´t talke about other nations sticking there nose in you personal buissnes when all you capitalist pigs do is sticking your nose in other nations buissnes and call the frenc and the german pussys just for not wanting to go to war to serw your own personal agenda and kill tousunds of ciwilians. other nations dont have the luxury of sitting many miles away shooting missiles and using b2 and b52 bombers to fight a war on your fat ass and never have to look your enemy in the eyes.
the iraqs have a bunch of old and rusty ak-47 the americans have thisB52 (http://www.willworkforflooz.com/images/B52.jpg)
p.s. you should welcome the change of having a presidant with an iq higer than 60
Iakeokeo
24-09-2004, 20:17
[Zyban #205]
Exactly, national interest...and screw the consequences for the rest of the world.

The "rest of the world" can take care of itself.

It's in no one's interest to "destroy the world".

If you (your nation) think something should be changed, go find a lot of friends and do something about whatever the problem is.

If you can't find a lot of friends, find a few friends.

If you can't find a few friends, and you still think the problem should be addressed, and you think you can address it adequately, then do what you have to do alone.

If you think something should be changed, and you could do something to change it, and you do nothing to do so, you are a coward.
Iakeokeo
24-09-2004, 20:20
[New Thule #207]
you are all yanks

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listen here yanke don´t talke about other nations sticking there nose in you personal buissnes when all you capitalist pigs do is sticking your nose in other nations buissnes and call the frenc and the german pussys just for not wanting to go to war to serw your own personal agenda and kill tousunds of ciwilians. other nations dont have the luxury of sitting many miles away shooting missiles and using b2 and b52 bombers to fight a war on your fat ass and never have to look your enemy in the eyes.
the iraqs have a bunch of old and rusty ak-47 the americans have thisB52
p.s. you should welcome the change of having a presidant with an iq higer than 60

Excellent writing style, bucky..!

We do things.

You don't.

Be envious, pig.

Yeehaw..! :)
Iakeokeo
24-09-2004, 20:27
Well,... I ain't no expert, but I got this here friend...

He REALLY likes to get yanked, if'n y'all know what I mean.

So,.. does that make him a "yank"..?

And are all us "yankable" types, who I 'magine purdy much all like gettin' yanked too, "yanks"..!?

Well....? There's gotta be some high falootin' EXPERT out there who can answer this here redneck's question...!

I really NEED this answer by next Tuesday, 'cause my friend want's to put it on his biz'ness card, and the order's gotta be in by then.
New Thule
24-09-2004, 20:48
Iakeokeo(209#)

Excellent writing style, bucky..!

We do things.

You don't.

Be envious, pig.

Yeehaw..! :)[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

hmm..you don´t rely do anything exept eat, shit and consume air.. ohh and by the way im not a yank so i don´t speak english as well as you :eek:
but unlike most yanks I speak more then one language
Dark Force Users
24-09-2004, 20:49
look lets all stop arguing and just calm down!! the english definition of a wooden plank/skeptic tank/yank is sum1 from the US. that is it in plain english, not junky american wer they change all the spellings to make it simpler for thier brains like grey to gray and colour to color, water comes out of a tap not a fawcet or however u yanks spell it and yes you do poke ur noses into other countries buisiness. andother thing that REALLY gets me down bout all those yankees is that they think that the whole world should just bow down to them and speak their language!!! someone asked george bush "how many of your ambassadors to france speak french" he asnwered: "none" how thick can u get???? oh and btw, the pavement is were u walk not wer the cars drive and teh bak of a car is called a boot, not a trunk. and Edinborugh is sair Ed-in-bur-rur NOT Ed-in-bro u thikckos!!
Sir Peter the sage
24-09-2004, 20:50
I just think its funny that when people up here in the northern US say Yank they think New England. Although the word probably came from the Dutch word Jank for the settlers in thier New World colony which spread from Fort Orange (Albany) to what would become New York City. So, New Yorkers are in fact the original Yankees. GO YANKEES! :D
Sgt Peppers LHCB
24-09-2004, 20:55
Sorry everyone, I would like to apologize for this man on behalf of our country America, The redneck that started this is obviously a hillbilly, redneck, right-wing gun nut dusch and doesnt stand for anything I do. He is a Bush supporter and that is also bad. Ignore him, and please, ignore this stupid thread.
The breathen
24-09-2004, 20:56
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.

do keep in mind that the word Yankee means American (northern anyway), just like how Canuck means Canadian. It's not a insult or somethind that defines your polictal views or anything. it's slag if anything else.
Sir Peter the sage
24-09-2004, 21:00
look lets all stop arguing and just calm down!! the english definition of a wooden plank/skeptic tank/yank is sum1 from the US. that is it in plain english, not junky american wer they change all the spellings to make it simpler for thier brains like grey to gray and colour to color, water comes out of a tap not a fawcet or however u yanks spell it and yes you do poke ur noses into other countries buisiness. andother thing that REALLY gets me down bout all those yankees is that they think that the whole world should just bow down to them and speak their language!!! someone asked george bush "how many of your ambassadors to france speak french" he asnwered: "none" how thick can u get???? oh and btw, the pavement is were u walk not wer the cars drive and teh bak of a car is called a boot, not a trunk. and Edinborugh is sair Ed-in-bur-rur NOT Ed-in-bro u thikckos!!

Junky American? At least I can spell faucet. We can use both spellings of words like grey/grey and colour/color. Usually just comes down to a regional or even a personal preference. If you have such a problem with that then I guess you're just the whiney type. As for the U.S. wanting everyone to speak English, well about 3 billion people speak it as their first or second language. People can speak whatever language they want for all I care, but it seems like everyone will be able to speak English in a few more generations anyway so the point is moot.
The Oracle of Atoma
24-09-2004, 21:02
Yank=American in british slang, the same way Limey=Brit in australian/american slang, different countries have different slang words, live with it
HadesRulesMuch
24-09-2004, 21:02
Sorry everyone, I would like to apologize for this man on behalf of our country America, The redneck that started this is obviously a hillbilly, redneck, right-wing gun nut dusch and doesnt stand for anything I do. He is a Bush supporter and that is also bad. Ignore him, and please, ignore this stupid thread.

You apparently speak for less than half the country. Since Bush is leading the polls after all. But hey, what do we rednecks know. As I have said before, Yankee is a term of Hispanic origin. If a Hispanic person calls me a Yank, then I suppose I can live with it. But why is it that Someone from Europe now feels like that is an accepted term? Since it was originally used with negative connotations, it is exactly like calling Jews "kikes, Polish "polacks", or blacks "niggers." It is offensive and serves no positive purpose. It increases resentment between non-northerners and the rest of the world. Since the southern vote seems to be running this country, with Bush in the lead, I would think it would be kosher for the rest of yall to lay off with the name calling. You do it just to tick us off. I don't call Brits "limeys", and I don't call French "frogs." If this ignorant southern redneck has better manners than you cultured Europeans, then I do believe that perhaps we should be running the country. At least we can speak with members of other nations without referring to offensive slang terms.
Sir Peter the sage
24-09-2004, 21:06
You apparently speak for less than half the country. Since Bush is leading the polls after all. But hey, what do we rednecks know. As I have said before, Yankee is a term of Hispanic origin. If a Hispanic person calls me a Yank, then I suppose I can live with it. But why is it that Someone from Europe now feels like that is an accepted term? Since it was originally used with negative connotations, it is exactly like calling Jews "kikes, Polish "polacks", or blacks "niggers." It is offensive and serves no positive purpose. It increases resentment between non-northerners and the rest of the world. Since the southern vote seems to be running this country, with Bush in the lead, I would think it would be kosher for the rest of yall to lay off with the name calling. You do it just to tick us off. I don't call Brits "limeys", and I don't call French "frogs." If this ignorant southern redneck has better manners than you cultured Europeans, then I do believe that perhaps we should be running the country. At least we can speak with members of other nations without referring to offensive slang terms.

Thats funny, because I got the dictionary right here and Yankee was originally a nickname for Dutchmen. Probably derived from the dutch word Janke, a diminutive for the name Jan.
The Oracle of Atoma
24-09-2004, 21:16
I'm british, i don't really care if anyone calls me a limey, its not derogetary, just a normal slang word, although calling frenchmen frogs and germans krauts probobly is to them.

Yank i can see no reason why it would be derogetary, My Chambers dictionery here states that the word Yankee means:''in America, a citizen of of ...New England...or the Northern American Staees... In Britain, generally an inhabitent of the united states''

So, it is completly right for a brit to use the word yank for a general american, but americans themselves should use the north/south divide version.
Iakeokeo
24-09-2004, 21:25
[New Thule #211]
Iakeokeo(209#)

Excellent writing style, bucky..!

We do things.

You don't.

Be envious, pig.

Yeehaw..! :)

hmm..you don´t rely do anything exept eat, shit and consume air.. ohh and by the way im not a yank so i don´t speak english as well as you :eek:
but unlike most yanks I speak more then one language

A suggestion,.. learn to actually use your tools correctly,.. in this case, English.

And I speak Californian, Nevadan, and Floridian, thank you very much. And some Canadian. :)

Thank you for lowering yourself to use English.

Why do you speak more than one language..?

I DO wish I did speak many languages,... but I don't need to in my country, or nearly anywhere, for that matter...

Why do you suppose that is..?

Hmmmmmmmm...
Phoenix West
24-09-2004, 22:13
[New Thule #211]
Iakeokeo(209#)

Excellent writing style, bucky..!

We do things.

You don't.

Be envious, pig.

Yeehaw..! :)

hmm..you don´t rely do anything exept eat, shit and consume air.. ohh and by the way im not a yank so i don´t speak english as well as you :eek:
but unlike most yanks I speak more then one language

A suggestion,.. learn to actually use to use your tools correctly,.. in this case, English.

And I speak Californian, Nevadan, and Floridian, thank you very much. And some Canadian. :)

Thank you for lowering yourself to use English.

Why do you speak more than one language..?

I DO wish I did speak many languages,... but I don't need to in my country, or nearly anywhere, for that matter...

Why do you suppose that is..?

Hmmmmmmmm...


Don't be so sure about that; Mandarin and Arabic have overtaken English as the most important languages to know. English's hold as the language around the world is slowly, but surely slipping away.
Smeagol-Gollum
24-09-2004, 23:12
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.


You have not in any way disproved the theory that all United States citizens can be called "yanks", which dates from the American Revolution days.

You have merely succeeded in establishing that you are a redneck.
Zervok
24-09-2004, 23:24
Yan·kee (plural Yan·kees)
noun
1. somebody from United States: somebody who is from the United States ( offensive in some contexts )

2. peoples somebody from a Northern state: somebody born or living in a Northern state of the United States, especially a soldier fighting on the side of the Union during the Civil War ( offensive in some contexts )

3. peoples somebody from New England: somebody who was born or raised in one of the states of New England ( offensive in some contexts )

if you live outside of the America people in the US are yankees or yanks. If you live in America its one of the other two definitions.


I also would say that I am gravely insulted by poster. New Yorkers are not yankees. Its us in New England. How would you like it if I called people in California cowboys!
Zervok
24-09-2004, 23:29
I just think its funny that when people up here in the northern US say Yank they think New England. Although the word probably came from the Dutch word Jank for the settlers in thier New World colony which spread from Fort Orange (Albany) to what would become New York City. So, New Yorkers are in fact the original Yankees. GO YANKEES! :D
Its us in Boston. We are the true Yankees. GO BOSTON! :)
New Granada
24-09-2004, 23:42
The usage doesn't rile me one bit. In fact, I think it's funny. Anyone who refers to someone from the South as a Yank is, obviously, simply uninformed about American culture.


Anyone still unaware that the common slur of americans worldwide is "yank" is simply uninformed about the world culture in general.

Being "uninformed" about american "culture" is about as regrettable as being uninformed about Professional TV Wrestling or nascars.
The Force Majeure
24-09-2004, 23:47
Anyone still unaware that the common slur of americans worldwide is "yank" is simply uninformed about the world culture in general.

Being "uninformed" about american "culture" is about as regrettable as being uninformed about Professional TV Wrestling or nascars.

NASCAR
National Stock Car Auto Racing
You can't make it plural. Damn yankee.
Iakeokeo
25-09-2004, 02:46
[Phoenix West #222]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
[New Thule #211]
Iakeokeo(209#)

Excellent writing style, bucky..!

We do things.

You don't.

Be envious, pig.

Yeehaw..!

hmm..you don´t rely do anything exept eat, shit and consume air.. ohh and by the way im not a yank so i don´t speak english as well as you
but unlike most yanks I speak more then one language

A suggestion,.. learn to actually use to use your tools correctly,.. in this case, English.

And I speak Californian, Nevadan, and Floridian, thank you very much. And some Canadian.

Thank you for lowering yourself to use English.

Why do you speak more than one language..?

I DO wish I did speak many languages,... but I don't need to in my country, or nearly anywhere, for that matter...

Why do you suppose that is..?

Hmmmmmmmm...


Don't be so sure about that; Mandarin and Arabic have overtaken English as the most important languages to know. English's hold as the language around the world is slowly, but surely slipping away.

And that would be fine. :)

I'll believe it when I see it.

The normal evolution of things will take it's course.

Let's compare notes in 75 years. :)
Iakeokeo
25-09-2004, 02:49
[Zervok #224]
Yan·kee (plural Yan·kees)
noun
1. somebody from United States: somebody who is from the United States ( offensive in some contexts )

2. peoples somebody from a Northern state: somebody born or living in a Northern state of the United States, especially a soldier fighting on the side of the Union during the Civil War ( offensive in some contexts )

3. peoples somebody from New England: somebody who was born or raised in one of the states of New England ( offensive in some contexts )

if you live outside of the America people in the US are yankees or yanks. If you live in America its one of the other two definitions.


I also would say that I am gravely insulted by poster. New Yorkers are not yankees. Its us in New England. How would you like it if I called people in California cowboys!

We have cowboys in California.

Many of whom don't seem to like wearing pants with their chaps, spurs and cow-poke hats.

Occassionally, when aroused, they will wear their cow-poke hats on their cow-pokers.

They are located mainly in the big cities, like San Francisco.
Ladyrho
25-09-2004, 02:51
So bad, a starter broke his hand a few weeks ago.

Frankly, you're post is interesting -- I was starting to think no one around here had a sense of humor. And the Sox are palying them this weekend
Anthalmycia
25-09-2004, 03:09
I just love how "yank" is synonymous with "American." Why do people from the States refer to themselves as "Americans" and everyone else from the Americas as something else? Do you think that anyone has ever looked at a map and saw that...oh...wow...there are almost 40 countries in the Americas, only one of which is the U.S.A?

Is the only reason the word "yank" was even brought up is because no one on this forum - or in the world, for that matter - can think of a name for the people from the U.S.A. that isn't a slur or a huge indication of arrogance?

And before "Americans" start calling me a stuck-up foreigner, I'd just like to say that I am a proud citizen of the U.S.A. and have been since I was born. And I'm a conservative when it comes to "American" politics. I just don't blindly go with a moronic tradition that we've inherited from our arrogant British ancestors. Yes, that's right, we're "Americans" because that's what the Brits called us when they controlled us. And they were very, very arrogant, because the "American" colonies were definitely not the first European ones in the Americas...not even close. But, the Brits thought they were better than the Frenchmen, Spaniards, and Portugese...and that great overstatement has been perpetuated to today... Sad, ain't it?

~Whispers from Dementia
Black Umbrella
25-09-2004, 03:10
Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. .

I'm an American Midwesterner and I think that sentence pretty well sums up an East Coast Yank...When I think of a "Yank", I think of a spoiled, holier-than-thou, pretentious snob. The kind of person who has enjoyed all the benefits the Republican party has given them and lives off of Daddy's trust fund but bitches loudly about it in public. You know the ones who pretend they live like the common man but have never had to worry about if they could pay the rent in their life.
Storms Keep
25-09-2004, 03:43
If anything Americans as a whole are cowboys. If you want to complain about our right wing consertive government, DONT call us yanks. Kerry is a freakin yank, thats why were trying to keep him from running for PTA let alone president.

Anyone who would like to stand face to face with this southern boy and call me a damn yank would prompty see what my 30-30 looks like when you look down the scope the wrong way.

Yanks are the liberal yuppies who know more about coffee beans and pain killers then politics. These are the people who think everything they see on TV is real, and everything Kerry says must be true. These are not americans, they are the reason we didnt finish what we started in 1991.

So, if you want to complain, feel free to do so. Stick your nose so far in our business that you can see daylight, and cry all you want. As for me, I'll just keep putting on my uniform every day, and do what I can to make sure this country I live in is as safe as it can be for my family.

But DONT CALL US DAMN YANKS! Well, unless were from New York, they are damn yanks. Congrats to New York for the Clinton by the way, you deserve her.
Bullspit, Yankee. If you ain't on a horse & have a cow, you ain't no "cowboy". You might well BE a Southerner, but unless you have chosen to denounce your US citizenship, you're a Yank. Please, read a book on history before making more Yanks look as stupid as Bush....
And the Brits are "Tommies", French "Frogs", Germans "Jerrys", "Fritz" or "Huns"... Ya just ain't that special. Have fun menacing your monitor with that .30-30, Bubba! :sniper:
Daistallia 2104
25-09-2004, 13:44
look lets all stop arguing and just calm down!! the english definition of a wooden plank/skeptic tank/yank is sum1 from the US. that is it in plain english, not junky american wer they change all the spellings to make it simpler for thier brains like grey to gray and colour to color, water comes out of a tap not a fawcet or however u yanks spell it and yes you do poke ur noses into other countries buisiness. andother thing that REALLY gets me down bout all those yankees is that they think that the whole world should just bow down to them and speak their language!!! someone asked george bush "how many of your ambassadors to france speak french" he asnwered: "none" how thick can u get???? oh and btw, the pavement is were u walk not wer the cars drive and teh bak of a car is called a boot, not a trunk. and Edinborugh is sair Ed-in-bur-rur NOT Ed-in-bro u thikckos!!


:rolleyes:
Might I suggest that you try actually typing English before correcting someone else's.

I just love how "yank" is synonymous with "American." Why do people from the States refer to themselves as "Americans" and everyone else from the Americas as something else? Do you think that anyone has ever looked at a map and saw that...oh...wow...there are almost 40 countries in the Americas, only one of which is the U.S.A?

Is the only reason the word "yank" was even brought up is because no one on this forum - or in the world, for that matter - can think of a name for the people from the U.S.A. that isn't a slur or a huge indication of arrogance?

And before "Americans" start calling me a stuck-up foreigner, I'd just like to say that I am a proud citizen of the U.S.A. and have been since I was born. And I'm a conservative when it comes to "American" politics. I just don't blindly go with a moronic tradition that we've inherited from our arrogant British ancestors. Yes, that's right, we're "Americans" because that's what the Brits called us when they controlled us. And they were very, very arrogant, because the "American" colonies were definitely not the first European ones in the Americas...not even close. But, the Brits thought they were better than the Frenchmen, Spaniards, and Portugese...and that great overstatement has been perpetuated to today... Sad, ain't it?

~Whispers from Dementia

Agreed.

And for those from the UK, other commonwealth countries, Ireland, and elsewhere, please ignore the rantings of the rude bumpkin.
Personally, I only ask politely that you return courtesy. I make an effort to distinguish Scots, English, Welsh, etc., as a courtesy to you. Please return the favor. Thank you. :)

And Yank comes from the Dutch "Jan Kees" or "John Cheese", most certainly not Spanish. The Spanish term Yanqui comes from the English.
Fundamentalist America
25-09-2004, 13:52
I feel sorry for most Americans who are not fundamentalist christians.

They live in a police state where over 2 million people are behind bars.

They must live in fear of getting jailed for some accidental 'non-conformist' action.
La Yuma
25-09-2004, 16:27
To think that these "We'll call you Yank because we feel like it" people are probably the same that say Americans are rude and uncultured/uneducated.
Laskin Yahoos
25-09-2004, 18:38
THANK YOU for posting this topic. Heck, I hate Yankees more than (non-French) Canadians.

To the Brits you are a yank.
Clearly the Brits are a bunch of dumbass (excuse me, dumbarse :rolleyes: ) limeys. Yes, all the citizens of Great Britain are part of the British navy and love citrus fruit. No, if you are British and disagree with me then you are clearly wrong because I know more about Great Britain then you ever will in your lifetime. You can't even spell right! :rolleyes:
Conceptualists
25-09-2004, 18:40
Clearly the Brits are a bunch of dumbass (excuse me, dumbarse :rolleyes: ) limeys. Yes, all the citizens of Great Britain are part of the British navy and love citrus fruit. No, if you are British and disagree with me then you are clearly wrong because I know more about Great Britain then you ever will in your lifetime. You can't even spell right! :rolleyes:
I get the sarcasm. But for clarification, we're subjects of the crown, not citizens.
New Granada
25-09-2004, 19:02
NASCAR
National Stock Car Auto Racing
You can't make it plural. Damn yankee.


Oh dear me oh my~
Chess Squares
25-09-2004, 19:05
this topis is asinine random republicon flaming
Ferkus
25-09-2004, 20:08
Well, im tempted to stop using the phrase as i think it makes you seem somewhat foolish.

Having just had a conversation with someone who called me a limey, tried to correct my spelling and accused me of not having plumbing or any dental care and then said how Britain got "assraped by hitler" ive decided that such words just suggest that you believe in terrible stereotypes.
Laskin Yahoos
25-09-2004, 21:42
I get the sarcasm. But for clarification, we're subjects of the crown, not citizens.
Sarcasm? WTF?
Sventria
26-09-2004, 04:44
Americans are Yanks,
New Zealanders are Kiwis,
French people are Frogs,
Italians and Greeks are Wogs,
and Britains are Poms.
I am an Aussie (note for Yanks: pronounced Ozzy).

I don't consider any of these offensive.

I've never heard Canadians called anything but Canadians, which is a bit of a shame. Something should be done to rectify that. I don't think I could bring myself to work Canuck into my vocab.

If Yank offends you, I'll call you a Seppo. Will that make it all OK?
Jumbania
26-09-2004, 06:03
To the Brits you are a yank.

Their usage of it is older then the civil war.....

Actually, the word is derived from a derogatory term used by the dutch inhabitants of the early New York colony. (formerly New Amsterdam)
While the Brits looked down their noses at these foreign subjects, they were always first in line for the fine cheeses that came out of the Dutch farms.

Johnny Cheese = Jan Kaas (yan-kahs, approximately)

So in it's original usage a Yankee was a Brit, go figure!