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I'm not sure what to think about anything anymore after seeing this

Everyone laugh at the stupid BushBots!

There is no terrorist threat
Meaning that he thinks there is no chance of another terrorsit attack.

The only quote of Michael Moore in the entire trailer of a movie that is supposed to expose his lies. You'd think that they'd focus more on him.

The rest of it didn't seem like it made sense, except for that random woman saying things like "If a dictator provides free healthcare, I like that dictator". Of course, the images on the trailer try to give the idea that she's saying she likes Saddam.

It's probably going to be a movie made the Moore way: minimal amounts of information, but completely factual, and a lot of shock pieces to sway your mind emotionally.

Just wondering, where do the numbers 41.11 come from? Thats 106 degrees F. Is it just a random number?

It's the temperature the brain begins to die.

That site is really frightening. It could be directly taken from Starship Troopers. I don't believe that many Europeans really hate America and all of its citizens, despite the common misconception, however, some Americans obviously do if they found it worth the bother to make a page like that.

The rest of it didn't seem like it made sense, except for that random woman saying things like "If a dictator provides free healthcare, I like that dictator". Of course, the images on the trailer try to give the idea that she's saying she likes Saddam.

who ever it was that said that - i didn't recognize her, did anyone else? - is almost certainly a member of the wwp. they're the bunch of wacky stalinists behnd answer. so that isn't exactly surprising.

but yeah, the only moore quote in there wasn't even exactly a lie. there is little to no terrorist threat inside the us. the government isn't making things better for us currently, but you can count the number of non-nazi/rightwing militia terrorist attacks here on a shop teacher's hand.

Just wondering, where do the numbers 41.11 come from? Thats 106 degrees F. Is it just a random number?
411 is the number for information, but I think that they were just trying to be clever and make it look like F 9/11

but yeah, the only moore quote in there wasn't even exactly a lie. there is little to no terrorist threat inside the us. the government isn't making things better for us currently, but you can count the number of non-nazi/rightwing militia terrorist attacks here on a shop teacher's hand.

Thank you, President Bush!

Thank you, President Bush!

yup, on bush's watch the number doubled or something. which is easy to do when there are less than 3.

who ever it was that said that - i didn't recognize her, did anyone else? - is almost certainly a member of the wwp. they're the bunch of wacky stalinists behnd answer. so that isn't exactly surprising.

but yeah, the only moore quote in there wasn't even exactly a lie. there is little to no terrorist threat inside the us. the government isn't making things better for us currently, but you can count the number of non-nazi/rightwing militia terrorist attacks here on a shop teacher's hand.
You can see the person who said that in a video at protestwarrior.com

Do you have a direct link?

I think I could feel my own brain (or at least the silicon chip implanted in my cerebellum) begin to melt while watching that, ehmm...presentation.

I'd definitely want to see it, if it weren't for the fact it won't be released in Canada. It wouldn't be very well received here. At least around where I live and amongst those my own age, Michael Moore's words are accepted as fact despite so much evidence to the contrary (I point out a lie/deception in F9/11, they cite F9/11 as their source for their information, wtf?)

So yeah, I want to see it, but it's not happening.

This is the first I've even heard of this film. Where's it going to be playing?

I don't think anyone knows. Ask your local theatre-owner!

Do you have a direct link?

Sorry, no. I am on dial up since Charley took out my house. It is there, just dig. You'll have a good time there anyway.

I'd definitely want to see it, if it weren't for the fact it won't be released in Canada. It wouldn't be very well received here. At least around where I live and amongst those my own age, Michael Moore's words are accepted as fact despite so much evidence to the contrary (I point out a lie/deception in F9/11, they cite F9/11 as their source for their information, wtf?)

So yeah, I want to see it, but it's not happening.
All the more reason - anything or anyone that cannot take the heat of examination and critisism cannot be accepted as factual or even credible.

Um uh... Uhh.. um... Well...

At least now SOMEONE had the courage to talk about the lies Michael Moore says. Now while i will admit(if you disagree, please dont hit me with that spikey bat over-there) SOME of the things he says are true, he isnt so true as to treat him as the word of god. Neither with president bush. Uh oh, im getting lost... wheres that train of though ti was looking for...

*searching*

AHA! Found it!

Anyhoo, This is a good movie to counter the far-leftists extremist views of the left with some regular right views(FAr-right views are facist!

Meaning that he thinks there is no chance of another terrorsit attack.

Although it is nice that they combined it wih images of 9/11. I suppose he would look foolish for it if he said it before 9/11

The rest of it didn't seem like it made sense, except for that random woman saying things like "If a dictator provides free healthcare, I like that dictator". Of course, the images on the trailer try to give the idea that she's saying she likes Saddam.

Was she saying it in general or was it with someone in mind? Anybody know?

Anyhoo, This is a good movie to counter the far-leftists extremist views of the left with some regular right views(FAr-right views are facist!
You have a powerful Communist bloc in the US? :confused:

You have a powerful Communist bloc in the US? :confused:
Well: some people in the US think everybody who is in favour for (state) welfare is a communists. In that view even most conservatives in Europe are at least socialists and the political left are all communists.

Was she saying it in general or was it with someone in mind? Anybody know?
I think she was talking about Fidel Castro.
Wasn't it lovely how they indispersed her screechings with images of what the Taliban got up to when they were in power, along with pictures of Saddam. Implying that he was responsible for those acts of brutality.
They take statements out of context, juxtiposed with images that they're not even related to and then have the audacity to say Moore's a liar!

I think she was talking about Fidel Castro.

Ahh, thanks.

Wasn't it lovely how they indispersed her screechings with images of what the Taliban got up to when they were in power, along with pictures of Saddam. Implying that he was responsible for those acts of brutality.
They take statements out of context, juxtiposed with images that they're not even related to and then have the audacity to say Moore's a liar!
Well, they haven't really lied, just misrepresented.

I just love the ways how people work out how not to tell the truth without lying.

I just love the ways how people work out how not to tell the truth without lying.
That is the job of finding out for every politician though.

Gee, for people who complain about Moore using clips edited and taken out of context, it was interesting to see them showing footage of an execution in Afghanistan and clips of Bin Laden while the woman was talking about Saddam....

Not to mention the text flow that states in order: "Be careful who you vote for in November." then "The truth about Michael Moore's lies".

Gee - I didn't know Moore was running for the presidency.... but that seems to be how this is being presented.

Moore quoted his sources; even if he took some stuff and placed it into another context. Did the asshols who made this quote THEIR sources? When they do, I'll acknowledge them as possibly being credible.

I don't understand why that should inspire people to vote for Bush over Kerry. The only quote from Kerry is one supporting the war on terrorism. I don't get it. What does that movie do, besides attack Michael Moore?

I don't understand why that should inspire people to vote for Bush over Kerry. The only quote from Kerry is one supporting the war on terrorism. I don't get it. What does that movie do, besides attack Michael Moore?

Good point...

Either way, i think BOTH movies are TOO partisan and are too full of lies. Seriously...

Good point...

Either way, i think BOTH movies are TOO partisan and are too full of lies. Seriously...
Where are the lies?

Where are the lies?
I´ve watched Fahrenheit 9/11. From the factual basis I don´t see many lies. I more see a misrepresentation and misinterpretation of facts in a very partisan way. It is highly polemic and it goes partly so far that I think it is even disgusting.
By interpretating things in the most unfavourable and bious way + a few lies + leaving out everything that would contradict that picture (leaving out is not lying after all) he presents this completly bizarr picture. And with that he is demonising President Bush and the US administration.
All Anti-Americans are going to be encouraged by this film, as sad as that is.

To any 56kers who can't wait for the film to load, here's a basic summary -

LOOK AT 9/11! LOOK AT IT! SEE THE SPLODES! AREN'T YOU SCARED?

HERE IS A SILLY LIBERAL BITCH WHO THINKS SADDAM WAS GREAT! LAUGH AT HER! LAUGH AT ALL THE SILLY LIBERAL BITCHES!

HERE IS YOUR LEADER! LISTEN TO HIS WORDS! THEY SOUND NICE, DON'T THEY?

-Fade to black-

To any 56kers who can't wait for the film to load, here's a basic summary -

LOOK AT 9/11! LOOK AT IT! SEE THE SPLODES! AREN'T YOU SCARED?

HERE IS A SILLY LIBERAL BITCH WHO THINKS SADDAM WAS GREAT! LAUGH AT HER! LAUGH AT ALL THE SILLY LIBERAL BITCHES!

HERE IS YOUR LEADER! LISTEN TO HIS WORDS! THEY SOUND NICE, DON'T THEY?

-Fade to black-

LOL!!!

Transcript:

<Dramatic music playing in background>
On-screen text: Coming to a theater near you
<Video: Michael Moore at social event>
Michael Moore (audio: I think these words need to be said somewhere on national TV, and, and, they are, There is no terrorist threat. There is no terrorist threat.
<Video: Plane crashing into WTC, aftermath
Embassy bombing aftermath
USS Cole
Other embassy bombing aftermath>
On-screen text: At what temperature does the brain begin to die?
Protestor 1: When you talk about a dictator, there's pros and there's cons!
<Video: Man having fingers chopped off>
Protestor 2: If they provide free healthcare, a dictator provides free healthcare, I like that dictator!
<Video: man being beaten
Saddam Hussein addressing the people>
Protestor 2: If he provides university and education for everyone, I like that dictator!
<Video: Man putting rifle against person's head
Black screen, gunshot
Body being dragged away
Bin Laden firing rifle>
George Bush (audio): Time is not on our side. I will not wait on events while dangers gather.
<Videos: Terrorists>
George Bush: I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer.
<Video: Pentagon attack aftermath>
George Bush (audio): The War on Terror will not be won on the defensive.
John Kerry: Any attack will be met with a swift and a certain response.
<Videos:Terrorists training>
George Bush: If we wait for threats to fully materialise, we will have waited too long.
On-screen text: This November Americans will decide.
<Video: ProtestWarrior holding sign: "SAY NO TO WAR! (UNLESS A DEMOCRAT IS PRESIDENT...)>
Protestor 3: FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST!
On-screen text: Be careful who you vote for...
<Video: ProtestWarriors marching
Person going by on tattered flag being dragged across ground
Protestor flipping off camera>
On-screen text: The truth behind Michael Moore's lies...

CELSIUS 41.11
Fahrenheit 9/11 fan: I would vote for a single-celled organism over George W. Bush.
<Video: Protestors. Sign" Zionists do the lyin' Working class do the dyin'!>
On-screen text: The temperature at which the brain...
begins to die.

Coming September 2004/CELSIUS 41.11/www.citizensunited.org

Transcript:

<Dramatic music playing in background>
On-screen text: Coming to a theater near you
<Video: Michael Moore at social event>
Michael Moore (audio: I think these words need to be said somewhere on national TV, and, and, they are, There is no terrorist threat. There is no terrorist threat.
<Video: Plane crashing into WTC, aftermath
Embassy bombing aftermath
USS Cole
Other embassy bombing aftermath>
On-screen text: At what temperature does the brain begin to die?
Protestor 1: When you talk about a dictator, there's pros and there's cons!
<Video: Man having fingers chopped off>
Protestor 2: If they provide free healthcare, a dictator provides free healthcare, I like that dictator!
<Video: man being beaten
Saddam Hussein addressing the people>
Protestor 2: If he provides university and education for everyone, I like that dictator!
<Video: Man putting rifle against person's head
Black screen, gunshot
Body being dragged away
Bin Laden firing rifle>
George Bush (audio): Time is not on our side. I will not wait on events while dangers gather.
<Videos: Terrorists>
George Bush: I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer.
<Video: Pentagon attack aftermath>
George Bush (audio): The War on Terror will not be won on the defensive.
John Kerry: Any attack will be met with a swift and a certain response.
<Videos:Terrorists training>
George Bush: If we wait for threats to fully materialise, we will have waited too long.
On-screen text: This November Americans will decide.
<Video: ProtestWarrior holding sign: "SAY NO TO WAR! (UNLESS A DEMOCRAT IS PRESIDENT...)>
Protestor 3: FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST!
On-screen text: Be careful who you vote for...
<Video: ProtestWarriors marching
Person going by on tattered flag being dragged across ground
Protestor flipping off camera>
On-screen text: The truth behind Michael Moore's lies...

CELSIUS 41.11
Fahrenheit 9/11 fan: I would vote for a single-celled organism over George W. Bush.
<Video: Protestors. Sign" Zionists do the lyin' Working class do the dyin'!>
On-screen text: The temperature at which the brain...
begins to die.

Coming September 2004/CELSIUS 41.11/www.citizensunited.org


Thats more informatie than the other one...

BUT LESS FUNNY :D

I think she was talking about Fidel Castro.

I think she was just referring to the Cuban literacy rate as an example of some of the "pros" of a dictatorship.

I think she was just referring to the Cuban literacy rate as an example of some of the "pros" of a dictatorship.

Fidel is still pure evil...

If only we had let him play major league baseball...

I´ve watched Fahrenheit 9/11. From the factual basis I don´t see many lies. I more see a misrepresentation and misinterpretation of facts in a very partisan way. It is highly polemic and it goes partly so far that I think it is even disgusting.
By interpretating things in the most unfavourable and bious way + a few lies + leaving out everything that would contradict that picture (leaving out is not lying after all) he presents this completly bizarr picture. And with that he is demonising President Bush and the US administration.
All Anti-Americans are going to be encouraged by this film, as sad as that is.
I realise that there are misrepresentations, and that it is not objective by any stretch of the imagination.

However, it is annoying to here accusation sof Micheal Moores lies with no back up.

And yes, to be consistent, I think the same for Fox News. However, I have not really studied it. But the same thing "Fox News lies." "Really? Do you have proof?" "Erm no, but it still lies."

Michael Moore: Bush dumped Harken stock because things looked bad for the company.

Reality: Bush sold $848,000 worth of Harken stock to pay off a $500,000 loan to help buy 12% of the Texas Rangers. Had he held the stock another year, he would have profited even more.

Michael Moore: Bush dumped Harken stock because things looked bad for the company.

Reality: Bush sold $848,000 worth of Harken stock to pay off a $500,000 loan to help buy 12% of the Texas Rangers. Had he held the stock another year, he would have profited even more.
No way...the facts again disprove what Jabba the Moore and all his fellow lefties say? Say it ain't so!

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