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So. Who has seen Rammsteins new video: Amerika?
What did you think of it if you've seen it? Personally I liked it alot!!!!
Here are the lyrics:
Amerika

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Wenn getanzt wird, will ich führen,
auch wenn ihr euch alleine dreht,
lasst euch ein wenig kontrollieren,
Ich zeige euch wie´s richtig geht.
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen,
Musik kommt aus dem Weißen Haus,
Und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Ich kenne Schritte, die sehr nützen,
und werde euch vor Fehltritt schützen,
und wer nich tanzen will am Schluss,
weiß noch nicht das er Tanzen muss!
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
ich werde Euch die Richtung zeigen,
nach Afrika kommt Santa Claus,
und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

This is not a love song,
this is not a love song.
I don´t sing my mother tongue,
No, this is not a love song.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
Amerika is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Could you translate, I don't speak mexican.
















ha just kidding, but I don't speak german either. A basic translation of the german bits?

Only Seemann is cool with the keyboard player in an inflatable boat surfing the crowd.

Tanz Mit Laibach is far superior... as are Laibach in general...

Only Seemann is cool with the keyboard player in an inflatable boat surfing the crowd.

I dunno, putting petrol on the floor and then lighting it during the show to make the crowd 'dance' is pretty cool....

Rammstein has made some good pieces of music and videos. I'll try to see this one :-)

Amerika

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Wenn getanzt wird, will ich führen,
auch wenn ihr euch alleine dreht,
lasst euch ein wenig kontrollieren,
Ich zeige euch wie´s richtig geht.
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen,
Musik kommt aus dem Weißen Haus,
Und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.
If theres dancing I want to lead.
Even when your spinning alone, allow yourself to be controlled a little.
I'll show you how it's done.
We'll form a lovely circle, freedom plays on all violines, music comes from the White House and in Paris stands Mikey Mouse.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Ich kenne Schritte, die sehr nützen,
und werde euch vor Fehltritt schützen,
und wer nich tanzen will am Schluss,
weiß noch nicht das er Tanzen muss!
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
ich werde Euch die Richtung zeigen,
nach Afrika kommt Santa Claus,
und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.
I know steps, which are very usefull, and I'll save you from taking a wrong step, and who in the end doesn't want to dance, doesn't know yet that he must! We'll form a lovely circle, and I will show you the way, to Africa comes Santa Claus, and in Paris stands Mikey Mouse.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

This is not a love song,
this is not a love song.
I don´t sing my mother tongue,
No, this is not a love song.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
Amerika is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Mastly he's saying how America is wonderful and how it affects the rest of the world.

Also, the songs Der Meister, Heirate Mich, Rammstein, Mein Herz Brennt, Sonne, Zwitter, Adios, and Du Hast are pretty damn sweet as well.

Mastly he's saying how America is wonderful and how it affects the rest of the world.

I detected sarcasm.

"We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika."

I dunno, putting petrol on the floor and then lighting it during the show to make the crowd 'dance' is pretty cool....


Einsturzende Neubauten did shit lack that year's ago, but the flames were usually from the musical 'instruments' and little to do with stunts light putting petrol on the floor...

Einsturzende Neubauten did shit lack that year's ago, but the flames were usually from the musical 'instruments' and little to do with stunts light putting petrol on the floor...
The spark flying out the drumsticks :eek: :eek: That was cool
And Adios is a great song

Hey... I think I like Rammstein

Rammstein vdeo for amerika is much better than their video for mein teil.

I detected sarcasm.

"We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika."
Ah. Your an Aussie. No wonder you spotted that.

Ah. Your an Aussie. No wonder you spotted that.

Now, what do you mean by that? :p

Now, what do you mean by that? :p
Haven't you read the thread? Americans don't get sarcasm. And the person you quoted was from Minnesota and only got the parts about how wonderfull America is. :D

Haven't you read the thread? Americans don't get sarcasm. And the person you quoted was from Minnesota and only got the parts about how wonderfull America is. :D

:D

That's true. It's like when Reagan tried using Springsteens "Born in the USA" as his campaign themesong...even though it was a protest against the Vietnam war.

That's true. It's like when Reagan tried using Springsteens "Born in the USA" as his campaign themesong...even though it was a protest against the Vietnam war.
:D :D :D

Rammstein sucks. They always have. Still, coming from a country that made David Hasselhoff a chart-topper, I'm considering the source. I repeat, Rammstein sucks worse than even Scorpions could manage to suck.

Rammstein sucks. They always have. Still, coming from a country that made David Hasselhoff a chart-topper, I'm considering the source. I repeat, Rammstein sucks worse than even Scorpions could manage to suck.

Oh yeah? Well what music do YOU like?

Rammstein sucks. They always have. Still, coming from a country that made David Hasselhoff a chart-topper, I'm considering the source. I repeat, Rammstein sucks worse than even Scorpions could manage to suck.
Still mourning the breakup of the Backstreet Boys huh?

I like all kinds of music, just not the bad representatives of any given genre. Rammstein is one of these.

Let's face it, Germany has not produced anything of real artistic value since Leni Riefenstahl was making her own films, although I'd even concede that there were some German films of that era worth seeing. As for music, I'm afraid I can't even name one good group or individual. They're a bit like Belgium in that respect.

I still love the video for Sonne and the bands general use of "haunting Goth chick background vocals" on lots of their music.

I like all kinds of music, just not the bad representatives of any given genre. Rammstein is one of these.

Let's face it, Germany has not produced anything of real artistic value since Leni Riefenstahl was making her own films, although I'd even concede that there were some German films of that era worth seeing. As for music, I'm afraid I can't even name one good group or individual. They're a bit like Belgium in that respect.

*sigh* :rolleyes:

I still love the video for Sonne and the bands general use of "haunting Goth chick background vocals" on lots of their music.
My fave is Mutter. Creepy video and song. I LOVE IT!!! :D
Die Mutter die mich nie geboren, hab ich heute Nacht geschworen, ich werd ihr eine Krankheit schenken. Und sie danach im Fluss versenken.

[QUOTE=Allied Alliances]Mastly he's saying how America is wonderful and how it affects the rest of the world.
QUOTE]

Actually, he's singing about how America is taking over the world and forcing its culture on everyone else.

Ok, then, not like it's exactly the gold standard in music, but when's the last time Germany so much as won the Eurovision song contest? All the way back in 1982, it was. (And I'll give Germany the dignity of saying that their submissions beat those of Norway in all years... :rolleyes: )

My fave is Mutter. Creepy video and song. I LOVE IT!!! :D
Die Mutter die mich nie geboren, hab ich heute Nacht geschworen, ich werd ihr eine Krankheit schenken. Und sie danach im Fluss versenken.

Yeah, thats my favourite too.

Sheilanagig, just out of curiosity, where are you from?

Yeah, thats my favourite too.
But Sonne with the drug addictet, S&M domina Snow white is my second. :D

Sonne was always my favourite. I just like Rammstein's sound. I gave up trying to understand them when I dropped German, so I just enjoy the music now.

Although, I've had German friends translate songs like Feuer Frei and Sonne, they don't make a lot of sense...

rammstein obviously taps secret Jesus earth power.
http://mmtours.com.tripod.com/
they are innovative, hardcore and are really too good to be German (nothing against Germans, that other lister just has a point about their post WWII stuff ;)

http://mmtours.com.tripod.com/

Thats a realy interesting link. If your interested in an online degree from the university of Phoenix.

I like all kinds of music, just not the bad representatives of any given genre. Rammstein is one of these.

Let's face it, Germany has not produced anything of real artistic value since Leni Riefenstahl was making her own films, although I'd even concede that there were some German films of that era worth seeing. As for music, I'm afraid I can't even name one good group or individual. They're a bit like Belgium in that respect.


Christ you really are ill informed...

Ok. lets consider industrial music

Front 242 - Belgian
KMFDM - German
Einsturzende Neubauten - German

Films

Man Bites Dog - Belgian
Lola Rennt - German


Just some examples... plus as a techno DJ i come across some utterly mindblowing German music on a regular basis..

Consider - the label Tresor is one of, if not, the biggest techno label in the world.. where's it based.. Berlin..

And who invented the whole electro/techno thing that's sweeping western europe this now...

Let me think...

did it come from Berlin?



Go shove your cultural hegemony up yr ass...

try it a few times, it should work eventually :headbang:

Surprising enough that many Americans seem to love Rammstein, although especially this text is very sarcastic and is about the propaganda, peer-pressure, hegemony (cultural and military), ignorance of the US today. Although not in such clear words, if you understand German, you just have to listen to the text and a little between the lines. Thus why I am surprised that these songs are so successful in the US. Maybe due to much of the text being German - something only very few Americans can understand.

Surprising enough that many Americans seem to love Rammstein, although especially this text is very sarcastic and is about the propaganda, peer-pressure, hegemony (cultural and military), ignorance of the US today. Although not in such clear words, if you understand German, you just have to listen to the text and a little between the lines. Thus why I am surprised that these songs are so successful in the US. Maybe due to much of the text being German - something only very few Americans can understand.


Its more to do with the rivet-head mentality of the superior nature of all things teutonic more than anything else...

as Alan Partridge said



NAZIS

Its more to do with the rivet-head mentality of the superior nature of all things teutonic more than anything else...
Also notice that Rammstein use a certain way of speaking the German parts. Hitler use to talk like this - especially the overexaggerated "R". Not that I got any problems with it, but it's something that was obvious to me, being German ;) I think they are heavily using the image of the German language as being used as a propaganda tool to display superiority in the 1930s, using the same style of speaking as popular Nazis of the time did.

as Alan Partrigde said



NAZIS
No. Not Nazis. But they use the image, covertly, that Nazis have - being overly nationalist (über-patriotic), ruthless, looking down on everything not Aryan. One could use a similar word for the current American mindset - Narcistic.

Mind you, Laibach were doing that years before and at least they were using it to make an artistic statement i.e using one form of totalitarianism against another...

any brits will understand the alan bit though

Yeah, thats my favourite too.

Sheilanagig, just out of curiosity, where are you from?

I'm from the US. I've just gone native in other places. I like watching the Eurovision to see Terry Wogan get progressively drunker.

Christ you really are ill informed...

Ok. lets consider industrial music

Front 242 - Belgian
KMFDM - German
Einsturzende Neubauten - German

Films

Man Bites Dog - Belgian
Lola Rennt - German


Just some examples... plus as a techno DJ i come across some utterly mindblowing German music on a regular basis..

Consider - the label Tresor is one of, if not, the biggest techno label in the world.. where's it based.. Berlin..

And who invented the whole electro/techno thing that's sweeping western europe this now...

Let me think...

did it come from Berlin?



Go shove your cultural hegemony up yr ass...

Alright, I'll give you the films. As a matter of fact, I rented Man Bites Dog for this weekend, and I loved Lola Rennt

As for the music you've mentioned, I don't care for it. I don't care for Electric Six either. It's not my style. It's almost like europop meets any other genre. I just can't listen to it without hearing the cheesy undercurrent of the europop. Remember Plastic Bertrand? The Belgian answer to punk? That's kind of what I equate Rammstein with. Don't get me wrong, I respect German culture, I just find their art, and especially German comedy, questionable.

As anybody knows, the best techno comes from Holland. *tongue in cheek* :p

I'm from the US. I've just gone native in other places. I like watching the Eurovision to see Terry Wogan get progressively drunker.



Alright, I'll give you the films. As a matter of fact, I rented Man Bites Dog for this weekend, and I loved Lola Rennt

As for the music you've mentioned, I don't care for it. I don't care for Electric Six either. It's not my style. It's almost like europop meets any other genre. I just can't listen to it without hearing the cheesy undercurrent of the europop. Remember Plastic Bertrand? The Belgian answer to punk? That's kind of what I equate Rammstein with. Don't get me wrong, I respect German culture, I just find their art, and especially German comedy, questionable.

As anybody knows, the best techno comes from Holland. *tongue in cheek* :p
Our art... and comedy... where exactly do you take the knowledge from to judge our art or comedy? If i read it correctly, you are from the US, a country just a little over 200 years old. What art and comedy can the US present as being the standard, the epitome and the ideal for mankind? I find your stance towards foreign art, especially of a country like ours with it's diverse and long history, quite arrogant and misplaced.

Our art... and comedy... where exactly do you take the knowledge from to judge our art or comedy? If i read it correctly, you are from the US, a country just a little over 200 years old. What art and comedy can the US present as being the standard, the epitome and the ideal for mankind? I find your stance towards foreign art, especially of a country like ours with it's diverse and long history, quite arrogant and misplaced.

Take it easy, Gigatron. I'm only saying that by and large, I haven't liked much of the music or film produced in Germany between the first third of the 20th century to the present. I'm not saying that I don't like foreign art at all. I happen to like a great many films made in France, a few made in Scandinavia or Spain, Italy, Japan, Continental China, Eastern Europe...and yet I find German art of late is really underrepresented. Certainly not competitive with that of France or Italy. Yes, Germany produced some wonderful composers, some artists of note, but after about the 1920's, 1930's, the halcyon days of German art seemed to be over. Maybe most of the talent and sensitivity was drained somehow after the 20's and 30's from Germany. I can't say.

I'm not setting up the US as the standard. I never said that. I simply said that compared to Germany's neighbors even excluding all but those to the south and even the east, Germany doesn't come off so well artistically.

Take it easy, Gigatron. I'm only saying that by and large, I haven't liked much of the music or film produced in Germany between the first third of the 20th century to the present. I'm not saying that I don't like foreign art at all. I happen to like a great many films made in France, a few made in Scandinavia or Spain, Italy, Japan, Continental China, Eastern Europe...and yet I find German art of late is really underrepresented. Certainly not competitive with that of France or Italy. Yes, Germany produced some wonderful composers, some artists of note, but after about the 1920's, 1930's, the halcyon days of German art seemed to be over. Maybe most of the talent and sensitivity was drained somehow after the 20's and 30's from Germany. I can't say.

I'm not setting up the US as the standard. I never said that. I simply said that compared to Germany's neighbors even excluding all but those to the south and even the east, Germany doesn't come off so well artistically.
Talent drained, yes. To the US most notably.
Our country is just now re-emerging as one of the cultures of great influence on this world after years of rebuilding after WW2 and still continuing rebuilding after the reunification. I'm sure the art you are missing will eventually re-emerge aswell. Unless of course, we are too late, and have already been "watered down" by the mass art from the US, which has great influence on our own art.

Talent drained, yes. To the US most notably.
Our country is just now re-emerging as one of the cultures of great influence on this world after years of rebuilding after WW2 and still continuing rebuilding after the reunification. I'm sure the art you are missing will eventually re-emerge aswell. Unless of course, we are too late, and have already been "watered down" by the mass art from the US, which has great influence on our own art.


Okay, I admit, that was a low blow. It's true in a lot of respects, though. A lot of German musicians, actors, directors, scientists, etc. were lost during the war. They fled. America benefitted from this, but also the world. You can't say that we've ruined art in the world, though. We simply accepted the influx of people who had left their own countries. Art IN Germany has suffered since then. I have a great deal of faith that one day German art will reassert its unique character. Lola Rennt is evidence of the quality that is re-emerging. There will be others, but you also have to admit that Germany has rebuilt with a focus on the modern, perhaps because the tradition that was in place before that produced such horror. Maybe it's not fair to say that everything before WWII contributed to it, though. Leni Riefenstahl was a visionary before the war. It was only bad circumstances that ruined what was a promising career.

I won't say that I like Rammstein, though. I've listened to my share of it. I find it jarring and unpleasant on the ears. I listen to punk, and even with that background, I don't care for Rammstein. I'm waiting for a really amazing group to come out of Germany, and I'll admit that Nena was amazing. It's a shame she didn't do more than she did.

I'm not condemning all German art, but it hasn't got the color and vibrance and depth that it once had. Not yet, anyway.

Okay, I admit, that was a low blow. It's true in a lot of respects, though. A lot of German musicians, actors, directors, scientists, etc. were lost during the war. They fled. America benefitted from this, but also the world. You can't say that we've ruined art in the world, though. We simply accepted the influx of people who had left their own countries. Art IN Germany has suffered since then. I have a great deal of faith that one day German art will reassert its unique character. Lola Rennt is evidence of the quality that is re-emerging. There will be others, but you also have to admit that Germany has rebuilt with a focus on the modern, perhaps because the tradition that was in place before that produced such horror. Maybe it's not fair to say that everything before WWII contributed to it, though. Leni Riefenstahl was a visionary before the war. It was only bad circumstances that ruined what was a promising career.

I won't say that I like Rammstein, though. I've listened to my share of it. I find it jarring and unpleasant on the ears. I listen to punk, and even with that background, I don't care for Rammstein. I'm waiting for a really amazing group to come out of Germany, and I'll admit that Nena was amazing. It's a shame she didn't do more than she did.

I'm not condemning all German art, but it hasn't got the color and vibrance and depth that it once had. Not yet, anyway.
You should visit Berlin then. Just a few minutes ago I saw a report on TV about the increasing art in Berlin ;)

Also note that I live in Dresden... in my opinion, one of the most beautiful cities of the world (not neccessarily modern) and once a cultural centre of Europe. I am confident it will become influential in this area again in the future.

I rather love it,m'self. And a lot of Americans are bad with sarcasm, yes..but I happen to love it.

Ok. lets consider industrial music
Front 242 - Belgian
KMFDM - German
Einsturzende Neubauten - German


Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, Faust...


Films
Lola Rennt - German


Excellent film.

And who invented the whole electro/techno thing that's sweeping western europe this now...

Let me think...
did it come from Berlin?


Much as I love German bands, and much as the German industrial / electro bands have been important, I would argue that modern industrial/electro/techno really owes the greatest amount of honour to be laid at the feet of Throbbing Gristle (UK), the TG offshoot Coil, and Vangelis (Greece) - at least in terms of pure pioneering...

Admittedly, Throbbing Gristle were largely influenced by bands like Can and Faust...

Ok, then, not like it's exactly the gold standard in music, but when's the last time Germany so much as won the Eurovision song contest?

I'm hoping this is sarcastic....Eurovision as a meter of musical success? :eek:

I like Rammstein, don't understand most of what they say but who cares.

I saw Rammstein in Germany 2 years ago, and they were amazing...the flames and pyrotechnics....the insane massive crowd, and the thunderous metal was breathtaking. I only wish I could have seen it all, but I got lost on the Autobahn detour during the flooding, but thankfully my rental 911 had navigation. Anyways...is this from a new album? I have all their stuff, wlel as much as I could find in Germany and Canada, but I havne't heard of anything new yet. I guess I haven't been paying too much attention lately. ANY leads or help on this would be much appreciated. Thanks!!
:)

Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, Faust...


Much as I love German bands, and much as the German industrial / electro bands have been important, I would argue that modern industrial/electro/techno really owes the greatest amount of honour to be laid at the feet of Throbbing Gristle (UK), the TG offshoot Coil, and Vangelis (Greece) - at least in terms of pure pioneering...

Admittedly, Throbbing Gristle were largely influenced by bands like Can and Faust...

Well... if you really want to be pedantic about it ( :) )... TG were the first and original industrial band, the whole thing about the music being 'industrial' was the Genesis P Orridge and the others wanted to create a music unconnected to the past and was a reflection of society at the time, i.e an "industrial" society.. it's hard to say that TG were 'influenced' as such, fine they may share some characteristics with the likes of Can/Faust etc but they were novel.. You also missed out Cabaret Voltaire, which is considered to be the 'second' industrial band after TG...

Regarding music in Germany as a whole.. hell, yes there's a lot of crap, but as I said before, its in Techno that the real innovation is found.. remember after Detroit the sound moved to Berlin, which has been nurturing it since and there some serious reinvention taking place of techno there (check www.bpitchcontrol.de to see what I mean)...

Regarding art in Germany.. well its an unfortunate hangover from the war that most people remember it for Totalitarian/State art.. also being a divided country didn't particularly prove condusive to artistic creation.. I think that's why Berlin has remained a creative oasis, given its location in the heart of the DDR when the country was split.. its the kind of siege/last days mentality.. people in extreme circumstances usually have more creative energy...

Also given the fact that there was a national 'shame' to being German and you can see why German art has been quite stagnant per se.. now with reunification there's a vibrancy to Germany yet again and history is finally being consigned to books.. I think Lola Rennt was one of the first signs of this.. there was no pondering about the angst of being German nor was being German a central part to it, but it did have an energy, witnessed in the cinematography, the soundtrack, the script etc..

Regarding Rammstein.. well, lets just say I put them in the same bracket as Fear Factory... i.e 'Industrial' bands who really have no idea about what industrial music really is...

For reference, my favourite industrial bands are Skinny Puppy, Laibach, Front 242, KMFDM and quite a few others..


I only wish Al Jourgennson would get his act together and re-releasethe Revolting Cock's 'Beers, Steers and Queers' for the election campaign.. there's a lot of potential in that... :D :D

Well... if you really want to be pedantic about it ( :) )... TG were the first and original industrial band, the whole thing about the music being 'industrial' was the Genesis P Orridge and the others wanted to create a music unconnected to the past and was a reflection of society at the time, i.e an "industrial" society.. it's hard to say that TG were 'influenced' as such, fine they may share some characteristics with the likes of Can/Faust etc but they were novel.. You also missed out Cabaret Voltaire, which is considered to be the 'second' industrial band after TG...

Regarding music in Germany as a whole.. hell, yes there's a lot of crap, but as I said before, its in Techno that the real innovation is found.. remember after Detroit the sound moved to Berlin, which has been nurturing it since and there some serious reinvention taking place of techno there (check www.bpitchcontrol.de to see what I mean)...

Regarding art in Germany.. well its an unfortunate hangover from the war that most people remember it for Totalitarian/State art.. also being a divided country didn't particularly prove condusive to artistic creation.. I think that's why Berlin has remained a creative oasis, given its location in the heart of the DDR when the country was split.. its the kind of siege/last days mentality.. people in extreme circumstances usually have more creative energy...

Also given the fact that there was a national 'shame' to being German and you can see why German art has been quite stagnant per se.. now with reunification there's a vibrancy to Germany yet again and history is finally being consigned to books.. I think Lola Rennt was one of the first signs of this.. there was no pondering about the angst of being German nor was being German a central part to it, but it did have an energy, witnessed in the cinematography, the soundtrack, the script etc..

Regarding Rammstein.. well, lets just say I put them in the same bracket as Fear Factory... i.e 'Industrial' bands who really have no idea about what industrial music really is...

For reference, my favourite industrial bands are Skinny Puppy, Laibach, Front 242, KMFDM and quite a few others..


I only wish Al Jourgennson would get his act together and re-releasethe Revolting Cock's 'Beers, Steers and Queers' for the election campaign.. there's a lot of potential in that... :D :D

Hey, I'm not going to argue... I remember an interview Genesis did where he described forming the TG band... they each sat down and said what they could do... I think Cosey said she could sing, Genesis wanted to play drums.... and then they all swapped roles - so Genesis ended up as the 'singer', etc.

The reason I left Caberet Voltaire off of the list was, basically, because they were just industrial following industrial... I also ignored Chris and Coseys' side project. I included Coil because I think, with Vangelis and maybe Pink Floyd, Coil is the project MOST responsible for the electronic/techno departure from that 'industrial' base.

In terms of German music, I find it hard to decide on favourites... Obviously Einsturzende (circa Tabula Rasa and Malediction) are undeniably great, but so was that brief spate of KMFDM, starting roughly with NAIVE, and leading up to ADIOS. Rammstein are good (the re-release video for Du Riechst So Gut 98 is magnificent) and Lacrimosa (not industrial, I know) have had flashes of brilliance.

I don't REALLY think of Rammstein as an industrial band any more than I think of Marylin as goth.

My Favourite industrial projects would have to be Pigface, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy (obviously), Ohgr and Ministry.

And, if we are composing wishlists of the 'hand of Jourgenson' for election campaigns, why not the 1000 Homo DJ's "Hey Asshole"?

:)

Don't worry, I'm not arguing! :)

Thing with Voltaire was that they kind of pioneered the idea of loops/samples, even if it was with analogue tape! The history of Industrial kind of flows from TG to the Cabs to Neubauten to Front 242 to Skinny Pupp.. (that isn't complete bu

In terms of progression of the 'industrial' sound that is.. Though each band took a very different approach to the music, i.e Neubauten taking industrial literally, Front 242 producing the EBM form of the music and Skinny Puppy producing a cut and paste sound..

Not that in any way I'm denying the importance of all the other major "industrial" bands such as SPK, Test Dept, Young Gods, DAF ad infinitum...

One of the weirdest moments I've ever had was listening to radio 1 and they had 20 years of Ibiza programme.. first song they played was by Finitribe, which I had on a Wax Trax 12" from 1987... strange or wot?

Regarding KMFDM, I actually think some of their recent stuff has been their best ever.. simply because the production work on them is out of this world.. if you haven't heard it, the MDFMK album is Sascha's best work ever, simply because the sound is more fucked up than anything else they've done before..

But as I said before I'm a techno DJ as well, so I've got loads of records that sound fantastic and half the time I've no idea who produced them.. its a different animal altogether... (though I do want to drop the techno remix of the last Laibach single at a party some time... just cos I is evil :D :D :D )

Amerika
[i]
Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

If theres dancing I want to lead.
Even when your spinning alone, allow yourself to be controlled a little.
I'll show you how it's done.
We'll form a lovely circle, freedom plays on all violines, music comes from the White House and in Paris stands Mikey Mouse.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

I know steps, which are very usefull, and I'll save you from taking a wrong step, and who in the end doesn't want to dance, doesn't know yet that he must! We'll form a lovely circle, and I will show you the way, to Africa comes Santa Claus, and in Paris stands Mikey Mouse.

HAHA! very nice, I hope the americans can manage the metaphore "dancing" :p

Yups Rammstein is a nice group, saw them 3 times, but always the same show though. Much energy. Thanks for the translation, I didn't understand everything, much clearer to me with the translation.

Cheers

Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, Faust...



Excellent film.


Much as I love German bands, and much as the German industrial / electro bands have been important, I would argue that modern industrial/electro/techno really owes the greatest amount of honour to be laid at the feet of Throbbing Gristle (UK), the TG offshoot Coil, and Vangelis (Greece) - at least in terms of pure pioneering...

Admittedly, Throbbing Gristle were largely influenced by bands like Can and Faust...

Wumpscut, Project Pitchfork, VNV Nation, Funker Voght(?) and Das Ich! (GMY)
Neon Judgement! (UK I think?)
Skinny Puppy (USA?)
Suicide Commando, Lords of Acid

For a more cutting/pertinant tune, get the new Laibach album or at least the single, Tanz Mit Laibach... its a hell of a song, a kind of homage to DAF based on a Bundeswehr marching song, with a similar but stronger message and its produced by top Slovenian techno producer (just a top producer in general), Umek... The single's probably better as its got some absolutely crunching remixes..

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig
Rammstein sucks. They always have. Still, coming from a country that made David Hasselhoff a chart-topper, I'm considering the source. I repeat, Rammstein sucks worse than even Scorpions could manage to suck.

You´re quite funny - Members of RAMMSTEIN were in a former eastern german Punk Band. Eastern Germany has been the "German Democratic Repulic" until 1989. David Hasselhoff has been a chart topper in the "Federal Republic of Germany", so there is no link between Hasselhoff - fans and RAMMSTEIN :p (Except for neither the US-Americans understand Rammstein-textes nor the germans understand Hasselhoff´s "songs" :D )

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig
Germany has not produced anything of real artistic value since Leni Riefenstahl was making her own films

:headbang: Perhaps National-Socialism should be re-installed, so we might get some better artists? :rolleyes:
One Problem: Our gouvernement does not spend much money to support arts, furthermore the film-industry isn´t able to spend as much as the US film-industry, etc.
You cannot spend all your time in art, because it doesn´t feed you. So you got your job and fewer time to be creative.

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig
Ok, then, not like it's exactly the gold standard in music, but when's the last time Germany so much as won the Eurovision song contest? All the way back in 1982, it was.

I don´t know, where you are from - in fact it even doesn´t really matter - but do you actually know, what this "Eurovision Song Contest" means???
It is about music your grandparents are interested in! I´ve never seen good german bands sended to the "Eurovision Song Contest" - so it is REALLY not the gold standard in music ^^

In terms of German music, I find it hard to decide on favourites... Obviously Einsturzende (circa Tabula Rasa and Malediction) are undeniably great, but so was that brief spate of KMFDM, starting roughly with NAIVE, and leading up to ADIOS. Rammstein are good (the re-release video for Du Riechst So Gut 98 is magnificent) and Lacrimosa (not industrial, I know) have had flashes of brilliance.


Lacrimosa? you should try this: Totenmond (http://www.metalmerchant.com/detail.asp?request=CD&orderno=200145&bandname=TOTENMOND&genre=Hardcore+%2F+Punk&ID=) (I linked a heavy metal mailorder, you´ll find some soundfiles on this page).

EDIT: search for "Totenmond" on the page, obviously they don´t allow a direct link :mad:

In "Bowling For Columbine" Michael Moore said something about germans invented "Death Metal", didn´t he? :confused:

You´re quite funny - Members of RAMMSTEIN were in a former eastern german Punk Band. Eastern Germany has been the "German Democratic Repulic" until 1989. David Hasselhoff has been a chart topper in the "Federal Republic of Germany", so there is no link between Hasselhoff - fans and RAMMSTEIN :p (Except for neither the US-Americans understand Rammstein-textes nor the germans understand Hasselhoff´s "songs" :D )



:headbang: Perhaps National-Socialism should be re-installed, so we might get some better artists? :rolleyes:
One Problem: Our gouvernement does not spend much money to support arts, furthermore the film-industry isn´t able to spend as much as the US film-industry, etc.
You cannot spend all your time in art, because it doesn´t feed you. So you got your job and fewer time to be creative.



I don´t know, where you are from - in fact it even doesn´t really matter - but do you actually know, what this "Eurovision Song Contest" means???
It is about music your grandparents are interested in! I´ve never seen good german bands sended to the "Eurovision Song Contest" - so it is REALLY not the gold standard in music ^^



Lacrimosa? you should try this: Totenmond (http://www.metalmerchant.com/detail.asp?request=CD&orderno=200145&bandname=TOTENMOND&genre=Hardcore+%2F+Punk&ID=) (I linked a heavy metal mailorder, you´ll find some soundfiles on this page).

EDIT: search for "Totenmond" on the page, obviously they don´t allow a direct link :mad:

In "Bowling For Columbine" Michael Moore said something about germans invented "Death Metal", didn´t he? :confused:

Take it easy, Leisetreter. I thought I'd settled this. Yes, I was being mean, but I'm not completely closed-minded or ignorant of the fact that Germany has had some decent art in the recent past, just it seems to be few and far between. I'm willing to concede the point that German art and music has been and still is in the process of a lengthy recovery from the war and reunification. Most of what I said was said out of contempt for Rammstein specifically. People seem to love them, but really there's nothing to them. They don't have the street cred for the music they're trying to make, so it comes off as false.

The comment about the Eurovision song contest was a joke. I won't dig myself in deeper about the sense of humor thing.

Maybe there's no connection between Rammstein fans and Hasselhoff fans. Maybe there is. I just couldn't tell you. All I can say is that you could have uttered the two names in the same sentence if you read the music charts for Germany at one time.

The point is, I just don't like Rammstein. Nothing will make me like them.

Honestly? I have nothing against Germans or against Germany. I passed through the edge of Germany on my way to Paris, and we stopped for gas. From what I could tell from the attendant at the gas station, Germans aren't much different from anyone else. No worse, at any rate. I didn't stay long enough to say much besides that. We had to get to Paris by sometime in the morning, and it was late. We wanted to pass through the Alsace, though.

[QUOTE=Sheilanagig]
The point is, I just don't like Rammstein. Nothing will make me like them.
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Which is fine. Just don't claim, therefore, that your opinion is based on their ability, or whether or not they are good representatives of their 'medium'.

Wumpscut, Project Pitchfork, VNV Nation, Funker Voght(?) and Das Ich! (GMY)
Neon Judgement! (UK I think?)
Skinny Puppy (USA?)
Suicide Commando, Lords of Acid

Yummy. I love :Wumpscut: VNV Nation and Funker Vogt... I can't remember off-hand if Dementia Simplex are German, but I'm a big fan of them, also.

Covenant, obviously - great examples of that fuzzy not quite techno/not quite industrial middle ground.

I think Skinny Puppy are actually Canadians, like Front Line Assembly.

:)

Don't worry, I'm not arguing! :)

Thing with Voltaire was that they kind of pioneered the idea of loops/samples, even if it was with analogue tape! The history of Industrial kind of flows from TG to the Cabs to Neubauten to Front 242 to Skinny Pupp.. (that isn't complete bu

In terms of progression of the 'industrial' sound that is.. Though each band took a very different approach to the music, i.e Neubauten taking industrial literally, Front 242 producing the EBM form of the music and Skinny Puppy producing a cut and paste sound..

Not that in any way I'm denying the importance of all the other major "industrial" bands such as SPK, Test Dept, Young Gods, DAF ad infinitum...

One of the weirdest moments I've ever had was listening to radio 1 and they had 20 years of Ibiza programme.. first song they played was by Finitribe, which I had on a Wax Trax 12" from 1987... strange or wot?

Regarding KMFDM, I actually think some of their recent stuff has been their best ever.. simply because the production work on them is out of this world.. if you haven't heard it, the MDFMK album is Sascha's best work ever, simply because the sound is more fucked up than anything else they've done before..

But as I said before I'm a techno DJ as well, so I've got loads of records that sound fantastic and half the time I've no idea who produced them.. its a different animal altogether... (though I do want to drop the techno remix of the last Laibach single at a party some time... just cos I is evil :D :D :D )


Your Radio 1 moment reminds me of one of my own... summer of about 92-93, I think... Jo Whiley decided to spontaneously play Pigface's "Chickasaw" in the middle of a set of more 'normal' music. It was a wonderful moment...

I agree that the new KMFDM stuff is wonderfully produced (the WWIII DVD is just crystal clear), but, for me, it lacks something of the energy of those last few discs before En Esch went his own way... partly, I guess, because they have pretty much gone back to a static line-up (although I am glad to see Raymond Watts back on board full-time)... but things like "Rules" just define the KMFDM sound for me.

Rammstein rox0rs.

What I want to know is why whatever his name is is trying to do. If you dont like Rammstein, then why are you here?
Frankly, I just got Mutter and it's now my favorite CD.

And please answer the question, what kind of music do you listen to?

This band is the crappiest one to come down the pike in along time. Plus how many people are really into that whole gay German band thing? Maybe they'll pull a Great White at the next show they do.

So far my fave Rammstein song is "Feuer Frei!" It is on there CD Mutter and is also on the xXx soundtrack.

Frankly, I just got Mutter and it's now my favorite CD.

if you like mutter, then get hertzeleit or sehensucht. both very good, though i like hertzeleit better. from what i gather that's their first CD. :)

Wow, Rammstein is so hardcore, and tough in a gay sort of way!


hardcore? (http://www.scarletpage.com/Images/rammstein.jpg)

gay? (http://www.erectrofon.gay.ru/news/2002/06_june/images/00-20-1.jpg)

Hey, Rob Halford called. He wants his gayness back! (http://www.thedeathknight.com/Music/Rammstein1.jpg)

Hahahaha :D

http://herzeleid.com/files/images/gallery/2001-07-06/6.jpg

http://herzeleid.com/files/images/gallery/2001-10-24/6.jpg

I wonder what the biker from the Village people is doing these days? Maybe these chaps could give him a job.

I read a FAQ about Rammstein on there website (not sure if its still there) but one of the questions was. Are the members of Rammstein gay? The answer was. No, they are not. But would it matter?

So anyone who says they are gay can go jump in a lake of fire and rot.

Hey Rammstein! Bowie and Alice Cooper called, they want their 1970's acts back!

I read a FAQ about Rammstein on there website (not sure if its still there) but one of the questions was. Are the members of Rammstein gay? The answer was. No, they are not. But would it matter?

So anyone who says they are gay can go jump in a lake of fire and rot.

I know, you're exactly right. But you have to laugh...thats obviously what the band wants :D

I read a FAQ about Rammstein on there website (not sure if its still there) but one of the questions was. Are the members of Rammstein gay? The answer was. No, they are not. But would it matter?

So anyone who says they are gay can go jump in a lake of fire and rot.

Aww, did I touch a raw nerve?

They might not be gay, but they still suck it.

and it burns, burns, burns,
the ring of fire.

PS if I fell into a lake of fire I don't think I would rot, most likely reduced to ashes at least. FYI.

HAHA! very nice, I hope the americans can manage the metaphore "dancing" :p
I doubt it. We already had someone from Minnesota in here that thought they were just singing about America beeing Wunderbar.

Aww, did I touch a raw nerve?

They might not be gay, but they still suck it.

and it burns, burns, burns,
the ring of fire.

PS if I fell into a lake of fire I don't think I would rot, most likely reduced to ashes at least. FYI.

The singer of the band is, undeniably, both muscular and attractive... but I am left wondering why you so DESPERATELY want them to be gay?

It's okay, you're among friends... we promise not to judge....

The singer of the band is, undeniably, both muscular and attractive... but I am left wondering why you so DESPERATELY want them to be gay?

It's okay, you're among friends... we promise not to judge....

I don't DESPERATELY want them to be gay. It's just fun to make fun of their homo-erotic stage show, which you must admit is rather questionable. Don't worry I'm secure in my sexuality, are you?

He may be "attractive" but only in a Euro Trash sort of way to people who like those kind of men. It all comes down to a gimmick. They have shitty music, so in order to sell it they need a gimmick, if that includes fake penis' that shoot out enormous amounts of fake ejaculate, then so be it. Whatever it takes to sell tickets. But they still are crappy, and as you know you can't polish a turd.

I don't DESPERATELY want them to be gay. It's just fun to make fun of their homo-erotic stage show, which you must admit is rather questionable. Don't worry I'm secure in my sexuality, are you?

He may be "attractive" but only in a Euro Trash sort of way to people who like those kind of men. It all comes down to a gimmick. They have shitty music, so in order to sell it they need a gimmick, if that includes fake penis' that shoot out enormous amounts of fake ejaculate, then so be it. Whatever it takes to sell tickets. But they still are crappy, and as you know you can't polish a turd.

I just wonder why you feel the need to make sexually suggestive comments about a group of large, partly-naked germans... especially since you have admitted you don't like their music.

Makes one wonder why you 'endure' their show...

I, personally, like some of their stuff, and don't mind most of the rest.

Perhaps I am more tolerant, or maybe I just have more varied tastes.

I just wonder why you feel the need to make sexually suggestive comments about a group of large, partly-naked germans... especially since you have admitted you don't like their music.

Makes one wonder why you 'endure' their show...

I, personally, like some of their stuff, and don't mind most of the rest.

Perhaps I am more tolerant, or maybe I just have more varied tastes.

Where did you get the idea I saw one of their shows? I was merely pointing out what I saw on television and in google. (In)Tolerance really has nothing to do with my statements. I was stating my opinion that they are a crappy band, who need to resort to gimicks to attract an audience. Sexually suggestive? How so? I just stated that they were "gay" which can be taken many different ways.

I think your taste in music is suspect. Maybe even a bit gay-wadish. Oops intolerance.

What I want to know is why whatever his name is is trying to do. If you dont like Rammstein, then why are you here?
Frankly, I just got Mutter and it's now my favorite CD.

And please answer the question, what kind of music do you listen to?

I'm not a "he", but I'm here because I don't like Rammstein. Don't expect that every poster join in your Rammstein circle jerk, pal. As for what kind of music I like, check my profile.

Where did you get the idea I saw one of their shows? I was merely pointing out what I saw on television and in google. (In)Tolerance really has nothing to do with my statements. I was stating my opinion that they are a crappy band, who need to resort to gimicks to attract an audience. Sexually suggestive? How so? I just stated that they were "gay" which can be taken many different ways.

I think your taste in music is suspect. Maybe even a bit gay-wadish. Oops intolerance.

If you haven't seen their shows, you wouldn't be commenting on their shows, surely?

I understand you point... gimmick v's art... but, since Rammstein mainly got to prominence on the strength of soundtrack appearances (they had two tracks on Lost Highways which pretty much brought them to the english speaking attention), I don't see it as relevent....

Maybe they just enjoy a show? Personally, the Aus Berlin stuff, with the huge sombreros... didn't really resonate sex to me, more "having a good time"...

Mybe if you had only made your point once, rather than going on and on about how 'gay' they were... like you think that a) that matters, b) that's a bad thing, c) that has anything to do with their stage show.

You think my taste in music is suspect, based on one band?

And your tastes, obviously, are far less 'suspect' than mine?

So, what SHOULD I be listening to?

And you really should think about leaving the whole 'gay' issue alone. It's not big, it's not clever, and nobody is impressed.

If you haven't seen their shows, you wouldn't be commenting on their shows, surely?

I understand you point... gimmick v's art... but, since Rammstein mainly got to prominence on the strength of soundtrack appearances (they had two tracks on Lost Highways which pretty much brought them to the english speaking attention), I don't see it as relevent....

Maybe they just enjoy a show? Personally, the Aus Berlin stuff, with the huge sombreros... didn't really resonate sex to me, more "having a good time"...

Mybe if you had only made your point once, rather than going on and on about how 'gay' they were... like you think that a) that matters, b) that's a bad thing, c) that has anything to do with their stage show.

You think my taste in music is suspect, based on one band?

And your tastes, obviously, are far less 'suspect' than mine?

So, what SHOULD I be listening to?

And you really should think about leaving the whole 'gay' issue alone. It's not big, it's not clever, and nobody is impressed.

Might as well listen to GWAR if that's the sort of talent you like. I can comment on their shows as there is plenty about them on the internet. You know pictures and what-not.

The whole gay thing got you going didn't it? Well I guess you speak for everyone don't you. Maybe there is one person here who finds it funny, maybe even clever.

BTW what are you hiding?

well, about the song "Amerika". It's decent, but definitely not one of their best they've released lately. "Links zwei drei vier" is a better one, as well as everything on Sehnsucht. But their's only so much they can make fun of us, and hearing that song on the rock stations so much makes me kind of hate it...

Yes. It sort of misses the agressive energy that they used in Links 2,3, 4 or Feuer Frei. Or the creepiness of Mutter.

[QUOTE=Allied Alliances]Mastly he's saying how America is wonderful and how it affects the rest of the world.
QUOTE]

Actually, he's singing about how America is taking over the world and forcing its culture on everyone else.
Nope. That simple. Been proven.

Nope. That simple. Been proven.
Nope what? Whats been proven? And do you have proof thats it's been proven?

Might as well listen to GWAR if that's the sort of talent you like. I can comment on their shows as there is plenty about them on the internet. You know pictures and what-not.

The whole gay thing got you going didn't it? Well I guess you speak for everyone don't you. Maybe there is one person here who finds it funny, maybe even clever.

BTW what are you hiding?

Not a big fan of Gwar... although I'm sure there are a lot of people that are very fond of them.... just never worked for me.

So, your opinion of their live show, isn't based on their live show at all, but on some pictures you once saw?

No, I'm afraid you failed in your goal if you were hoping to 'get me going' with the whole 'gay thing'. What you managed to do was convince me that you are either a troll, or desperate for some kind of flame-bait validation, or just a sad, strange little man.

I never did claim to speak for everybody, but it is more likely, one would hope, that my inclusive nature is more representative than your homophobia.

I am hiding nothing. What is it you 'want' me to be hiding?

Oh for crissake, drop the whole 'gay' thing... its ridiculous.. sexuality is an individual matter that frankly as long as it doesn't involve animals or children shouldn't be any of our business... go figure.. and before you say 'you'll burn in hell for that..'. I'm sure there's plenty of so-called 'Christians' who will be well ahead of me in the queue..


Anyway, diversions aside...

I remember an interview with Laibach...


Interviewer: Are you fascists?

Laibach: We are as much fascists as Hitler was a painter...


Moral: If your going to do something like this.. be ambiquous and a hell of a lot more subtle..