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...when I hear about beheadings of hostages in Iraq. How could you DO something so barbaric to someone, even if they were my enemy? It makes me sick to my stomach, sad, and extremely angry all at the same time. :( :mad:

...when I hear about beheadings of hostages in Iraq. How could you DO something so barbaric to someone, even if they were my enemy? It makes me sick to my stomach, sad, and extremely angry all at the same time. :( :mad:
Barbaric why?

What is the difference between that and say a bullet in the back of the neck?

Hostages taken: A little over a hundred (may be more by now, I'm not sure when I heard it)

US troops killed: A little over 1,000

Iraqis killed: 12,800 to 14,843

Now then, what were you saying?

Barbaric why?

What is the difference between that and say a bullet in the back of the neck?
They televise it, and glorify the death of another human being. They don't listen to the cries of mercy. Every world leader must be haunted by the lives they've ordered killed, but the terrorists seem much more heartless.

Hostages taken: A little over a hundred (may be more by now, I'm not sure when I heard it)

US troops killed: A little over 1,000

Iraqis killed: 12,800 to 14,843

Now then, what were you saying?

It is the beheadings I am talking about right now. Anyone getting beheaded is disgusting, that is something people did way back in the Dark Ages (correct me if I'm completely stupid about when it was). And it drives me crazy how terrorists don't fight fair, I don't expect them to, but that still isn't very comforting.

Hostages taken: A little over a hundred (may be more by now, I'm not sure when I heard it)

US troops killed: A little over 1,000

Iraqis killed: 12,800 to 14,843

Now then, what were you saying?

Have a heart you dick, all lives lost are horrible, but the difference between a bullet in the body, or someone taking a sword and cutting someones head off is a world of difference, thats what people did in the year 1978...


B.C.!!!

They televise it, and glorify the death of another human being. They don't listen to the cries of mercy. Every world leader must be haunted by the lives they've ordered killed, but the terrorists seem much more heartless.
I wasn't aware that any nation listened to cries of mercy. Irrelevent in the end, a death is a death.

It is the beheadings I am talking about right now. Anyone getting beheaded is disgusting, that is something people did way back in the Dark Ages (correct me if I'm completely stupid about when it was). And it drives me crazy how terrorists don't fight fair, I don't expect them to, but that still isn't very comforting.
i'd say cluster bombing civilian areas is high-tech barbarism

Yes, if you are talking about civilian areas.
didnt i just say civilian areas

Beheading is *SICK* - how can anybody do that?

didnt i just say civilian areas

Whoops, didn't read that right. Sorry.

Beheading is *SICK* - how can anybody do that?
same way you can shoot missiles into a residential building to kill what you THINK is a terrorist hide out. just that way you are seperated from the weapon and the target, thus making you feel exempt from blame
at least they have the gall to actually do it face to face

It's war. People aren't always going to fight the way we want them to.

Yeah, it's sick to saw a man's head off and listen to him scream, just as it's sick to lay on a rooftop 100 yards away from a man that doesn't know you're there, or that you even exist, and then pull a trigger and end his life.

War isn't supposed to be pretty.

You know, what they wanted in return for the release of hostages was two female POW's. The official response is something to the effect of this (With the deadline already over):

"We'll maybe let them go in five days"

The deadline is over. Our men are already dead, britain is about to lose their lad, too. All they can say is "We'll maybe let them go in five days"? Does human life mean a god damn thing anymore?

Just the other day on this site people were talking about castrating rapists, is beheading people (albeit innocents) truly more barbaric?

And it drives me crazy how terrorists don't fight fair, I don't expect them to, but that still isn't very comforting.

Question: do states fight fair?

Secondary question: in the eyes of terrorists* do states fight fair?



* for want of a less loaded term.

Have a heart you dick, all lives lost are horrible, but the difference between a bullet in the body, or someone taking a sword and cutting someones head off is a world of difference, thats what people did in the year 1978...


B.C.!!!


The fact that one has a long established tradition and the other has a less well established tradition invalidates the older one of them in what way?

Does the fact that beheading remains the culturally accepted method of execution by the state in some countries (such as those of the Middle East) have any relevance to the matter at hand? Perhaps they would see the electric chair or the noose as a barbaric means of dispatching a condemned prisoner...

they do it because it is extremely effective.
kill 1000 soldiers and its the cost of war
behead 1 civilian contractor and the world reacts in horror. whole nations pull troops out of iraq, companies can no longer find foreign workers to come do those jobs.

these terrorists are FREEDOM FIGHTERS doing what they can to get foreign occupiers out of their contry. there is no FAIR in this circumstance. there is only effective or ineffective. if our country were occupied by foreigners we would do the same. barbaric works so barbaric is that they do.

dont get me wrong, i find beheading to be horrible. the suffering of the men and their families makes me sick too. im just pointing out that they have reasons and that while we cant support them in this, we can certainly understand where its coming from.

when you invade and occupy a country that has never done anything to you, you have to expect bad things to happen

they do it because it is extremely effective.
kill 1000 soldiers and its the cost of war
behead 1 civilian contractor and the world reacts in horror. whole nations pull troops out of iraq, companies can no longer find foreign workers to come do those jobs.

these terrorists are FREEDOM FIGHTERS doing what they can to get foreign occupiers out of their contry. there is no FAIR in this circumstance. there is only effective or ineffective. if our country were occupied by foreigners we would do the same. barbaric works so barbaric is that they do.

dont get me wrong, i find beheading to be horrible. the suffering of the men and their families makes me sick too. im just pointing out that they have reasons and that while we cant support them in this, we can certainly understand where its coming from.

when you invade and occupy a country that has never done anything to you, you have to expect bad things to happen

"Desperate people have been known to render desperate deeds..."

NoFX, "The Irrationality of Rationality"

It's war. People aren't always going to fight the way we want them to.

Yeah, it's sick to saw a man's head off and listen to him scream, just as it's sick to lay on a rooftop 100 yards away from a man that doesn't know you're there, or that you even exist, and then pull a trigger and end his life.

War isn't supposed to be pretty.
i did not sya killing an enemy combatant with a snipe rifle, i SAID annhilating CIVILIAN buildings with some random missile because of hte ASSUMPTION it is a "insurgent" (aka the guy who doesnt want you in his country but wasnt fighting before you got there there) stronghold

i did not sya killing an enemy combatant with a snipe rifle, i SAID annhilating CIVILIAN buildings with some random missile because of hte ASSUMPTION it is a "insurgent" (aka the guy who doesnt want you in his country but wasnt fighting before you got there there) stronghold

And by all means, you're correct as well. I was taking it to a smaller level of fighting that is used quite constantly as means of giving us the "upper hand" in situations.

I'm against beheadings as much as the other guy, but frankly, can you blame them? They could do a lot worse. If somebody invaded the US and a redneck got a hold of one of them... *shivers at the thought*

What makes me sick is how these terrorists actually think that if they kill a few captives on camera that it'll stop the war hawks in other countries from attacking them and go away! That's so stupid! If you want a war hawk to go away you say fine you won! big woop! Then you elect the guy who was running your terrorist organization into power and get legitamate power! You get to change the course of events for your country and be seen as a hero...not a bloody thirsty person who likes to kill....and whose only response to a bad day is to blow something up...I mean really only in movies does the guy holding the hostages ever get what he wants and lives to tell about it.

Take Palestine and Israel for example do they ever stop killing each other? NO and now that Isreal has said that's enough and put up a wall to keep out the bombers, what does Palestine do? States that it'll do it even more!? where the heck is the logic in that? Wouldn't it be more logical to say that you'll crack down on the few bad apples and let's patch things up?

Barbaric why?

What is the difference between that and say a bullet in the back of the neck?

These beheadings are not like (for instance) those done by guillotine or even those done in legal executions in countries like Saudi Arabia, where the executioner is trained to where he kills with one swift stroke. These beheadings are more like the butchering of a sacrificial animal than anything...it takes many strokes to do, and the victim is begging for mercy the entire time, crying out in pain. It can take five strokes or more to behead someone this way, and it's not even a swift downward stroke--it's like sawing. Like what you do to a slab of roast beef at the deli. I heard one of them described in great detail, and the way it is done is barbaric because even an animal is typically shown more respect.

At least if you shoot a person, there are ways to end their life instantly with very little time to suffer. Yes, someone still dies--but at least SOME humanity is still shown, in not wanting to prolong their suffering. A true soldier or true freedom fighter does not wish to become what he/she hates and fears, in the process of the battle, and for this reason will show what small mercies are possible in a war situation...even if that mercy can only be to end the enemy's life as quickly as possible.

These terrorists are not conducting themselves with ANY form of honor whatsoever. Even to treat an animal this way, the way the terrorists are treating these people, would cause an uproar if footage of it were disseminated widely on the Internet--PETA and even more moderate groups like the Humane Society would be absolutely in arms. So why do I call this barbaric? Because to even be able to treat an animal this way is to have just about the most callous disregard for life possible. That is the very definition of barbarism.

These beheadings are not like (for instance) those done by guillotine or even those done in legal executions in countries like Saudi Arabia, where the executioner is trained to where he kills with one swift stroke. These beheadings are more like the butchering of a sacrificial animal than anything...it takes many strokes to do, and the victim is begging for mercy the entire time, crying out in pain. It can take five strokes or more to behead someone this way, and it's not even a swift downward stroke--it's like sawing. Like what you do to a slab of roast beef at the deli. I heard one of them described in great detail, and the way it is done is barbaric because even an animal is typically shown more respect.

At least if you shoot a person, there are ways to end their life instantly with very little time to suffer. Yes, someone still dies--but at least SOME humanity is still shown, in not wanting to prolong their suffering. A true soldier or true freedom fighter does not wish to become what he/she hates and fears, in the process of the battle, and for this reason will show what small mercies are possible in a war situation...even if that mercy can only be to end the enemy's life as quickly as possible.

These terrorists are not conducting themselves with ANY form of honor whatsoever. Even to treat an animal this way, the way the terrorists are treating these people, would cause an uproar if footage of it were disseminated widely on the Internet--PETA and even more moderate groups like the Humane Society would be absolutely in arms. So why do I call this barbaric? Because to even be able to treat an animal this way is to have just about the most callous disregard for life possible. That is the very definition of barbarism.

My friends came over right after Berg was killed. I knew there was footage on the internet of the beheading so I said something about it. They convinced me to look for it. I searched for a little while but even the thought of watching a man lose his life, through beheading or not, sickened me. I left the room as they continued their search. I could hear it when they found it. The screaming just seemed so innocent. After a while it was kind of quiet, one of them said "Oh god" and another ran to the restroom and threw up. The third kid didn't really say anything until later the next day, and that was just to say "Guys, that was sick"

So yeah, it's pretty sick stuff. I've never agreed with it and I never will. Regardless, my NoFX quote from earlier still stands.

same way you can shoot missiles into a residential building to kill what you THINK is a terrorist hide out. just that way you are seperated from the weapon and the target, thus making you feel exempt from blame
at least they have the gall to actually do it face to face

They bring it upon themselves. And besides, they glorify the murder..and take pleasure in it. Civilian deaths is and always will be part of war, but most everyone agrees that one thing the U.S. HAS done right in this war was taking care in attacking civilian areas. Sure, there have been incidents, but there always will be. They are still hell of a lot less common than most wars..And we have still killed less civilans..far less...than Saddam did..

i did not sya killing an enemy combatant with a snipe rifle, i SAID annhilating CIVILIAN buildings with some random missile because of hte ASSUMPTION it is a "insurgent" (aka the guy who doesnt want you in his country but wasnt fighting before you got there there) stronghold

If you dont have the balls to take risks like this, you will lose an insurgent war. That's exactly why you are not a military planner. Every country has to do it in war...doesn't exactly make it right..but its still what you have to do.

same way you can shoot missiles into a residential building to kill what you THINK is a terrorist hide out. just that way you are seperated from the weapon and the target, thus making you feel exempt from blame
at least they have the gall to actually do it face to face


Why do you say "you" as if the people on this site are acutally over there fighting? You say that as if Superpower07 is over there right now doing this shit.

Jesus man, make the distinction here.

Why does the beheading of one citizen become more well known then the bombing that kills hundreds?

Stalin, that's one hell of a quote...

Why does the beheading of one citizen become more well known then the bombing that kills hundreds?

Stalin, that's one hell of a quote...
A very true one too. One beheading gets more news coverage then 200 Iraqi deaths or 15 American deaths.

My friends came over right after Berg was killed. I knew there was footage on the internet of the beheading so I said something about it. They convinced me to look for it. I searched for a little while but even the thought of watching a man lose his life, through beheading or not, sickened me. I left the room as they continued their search. I could hear it when they found it. The screaming just seemed so innocent. After a while it was kind of quiet, one of them said "Oh god" and another ran to the restroom and threw up. The third kid didn't really say anything until later the next day, and that was just to say "Guys, that was sick"

So yeah, it's pretty sick stuff. I've never agreed with it and I never will. Regardless, my NoFX quote from earlier still stands.

What's also sick is the way this act is glorified and then turned into a spectator sport by posting it and basically inviting people to download it. That mindset is as scary or even scarier than the method of execution. It's like the old gladiatorial bloodsports in Rome, to gawk at someone's death like that.

Good on you for leaving the room and having higher standards than that. And at least your friends realized the mistake they had made, even though it was not easy for them. I can bet they will not repeat it.

About the NoFX quote, though...maybe there are people who become very desperate--yet NOT everyone who goes through even the most difficult things sacrifices their humanity itself. There just isn't ANY excuse for that degree of callousness. None whatsoever. To kill someone in self-defense who is threatening you with your death is one thing...to just grab someone off the street, at random, and cause them such a TORTUROUS death...that is not self-defense.

That is INHUMANITY.

What's also sick is the way this act is glorified and then turned into a spectator sport by posting it and basically inviting people to download it. That mindset is as scary or even scarier than the method of execution. It's like the old gladiatorial bloodsports in Rome, to gawk at someone's death like that.

Good on you for leaving the room and having higher standards than that. And at least your friends realized the mistake they had made, even though it was not easy for them. I can bet they will not repeat it.

About the NoFX quote, though...maybe there are people who become very desperate--yet NOT everyone who goes through even the most difficult things sacrifices their humanity itself. There just isn't ANY excuse for that degree of callousness. None whatsoever. To kill someone in self-defense who is threatening you with your death is one thing...to just grab someone off the street, at random, and cause them such a TORTUROUS death...that is not self-defense.

That is INHUMANITY.
And dying from burns caused by bombs or slowly slipping away due to a bullet in the stomach isn't?

They bring it upon themselves. And besides, they glorify the murder..and take pleasure in it. Civilian deaths is and always will be part of war, but most everyone agrees that one thing the U.S. HAS done right in this war was taking care in attacking civilian areas. Sure, there have been incidents, but there always will be. They are still hell of a lot less common than most wars..And we have still killed less civilans..far less...than Saddam did..
i smell..rationalization!

And dying from burns caused by bombs or slowly slipping away due to a bullet in the stomach isn't?

While horrible, I honestly do not believe the vast majority of professional soldiers fighting a war (I am assuming you're speaking of professional military here) WISH for people to die in that way. They would prefer not to have to kill in the first place, and that if they do have to kill, that it be swift--the reason they are there is because they believe that pain to even more people could result if they did not. And they genuinely seem to feel bad about killing, especially when it is NOT done swiftly. Some suffer terribly, both in the battlefield and off of it.

I've known a lot of military people, and my father and grandfather both served. While their particular career paths never involved war, we have discussed the feelings it would involve. I've also watched enough accounts on the History Channel, and read enough books, to know of the toll that it takes on these people because they DO still have a conscience and DO still respond to the horrors of war. There are unfortunately a minority of monsters who lose this essential human empathy. But I honestly believe that from my personal experience and research, that is not the majority, at all.

Both "bad soldiers" and terrorists fall into that minority who have lost all empathy. And that is where I draw the distinction. As absolutely horrible as those deaths are, that you mentioned, the mindset in which they are inflicted (as opposed to the beheadings) is quite different.

(Of course, if you think that all soldiers are bloodthirsty killing machines who get off on others' suffering, of course, then you have a distorted picture of the professional military.)

". . .That's so stupid! If you want a war hawk to go away you say fine you won! big woop! Then you elect the guy who was running your terrorist organization into power and get legitimate power. . ."

Where to begin to respond to this? I guess the best place would be Nicaragua. There was an internationally recognized free and fair election after the United States backed dictator was deposed by a popular rebellion. A socialist organization (not communist or associated with either the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or Cuba) called the Sandinistas (after their leader) won the election in a landslide. The United States funded a covert war, in contravention of its own Congress' Acts that devastated the country, killed thousands, mined the harbor of the capital city Managua (for which the United States was ordered to pay restitution by the International Court of Justice [a U.S. conceived international court to arbitrate between nations] which it has not paid to this day); and other nefarious actions in contravention of all international law and propriety.

A good second response would be Chile where the United States Central Intelligence Agency aided General Pinochet in his assassination of the duly and properly elected President Allende at Dulles International Airport in Washington, DC during his first state visit to the United States.

A good third example of the folly of your statements would be Grenada. When the United States would not assist this nation of 100,000 in the building of an international airport so they could participate in the booming U.S. tourist trade in the Caribbean Islands, the elected Social Democrat Prime Minister accepted aid from Cuba to build such an airport. When it became obvious that the Cubans were preparing to overthrow his goverment, the Prime Minister came to Washington, DC to plead with the Reagan Government for assistance in preventing or countering any such coup attempt. The Reagan State Department was given orders to refuse to meet with the Prime Minister or any of his representatives. After 8 days in the United States, he returned to his country - to be slain 6 days later with his 10 chief ministers. Only several days after this, the United States 'liberated' Grenada.

Please don't waste my or others' time with such drivel as how the United States Government recognizes and leaves unmolested duly elected governments with which it does not agree.

On page 28 of a white paper entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by the neo-con think tank Project for a New American Century (which can be found at http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf) this organization of whose 18 founding members number 13 in the Bush Administration in senior positions (including Dick Cheney, Vice-President; Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense; Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense; Condoleeza Rice, National Security Advisor; and Richard Perle, Member (and former Chair) of the National Defense Review Panel) states that while the on-going stand off with Iraq might present a convenient pretext, the need to establish a permanent American military presence in the Middle East transcends any conflict with Saddam Hussein. This was written in 1998.

No matter what the Iraqi people wish or would prefer or do, the United States has no intention of reliquishing positions from which it can intimidate, influence, and if desired, invade Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Palestine.

Only by continuing the insurgency, with all of its excesses and horrors for Americans and Westerners to the point of Vietnamization or Afganistanization where the people of the United States and its allies require a withdrawal from Iraq can Iraq ever hope to be free from this Occupation under the false legitimacy of a puppet government.

You don't understand and I grieve for you....Life is precious! But many of you think that it is not. I do not understand why governments, people, etc. continue racism, etc. It does not help the bottom line =} the American Dollar. Oh Sure I understand that some country, in a place I never cared about to begin with, stopped giving the government of my country fuel....but I don't understand why they bother to attack it? We can make machines that don't run on crude oil, etc. Helll the USA could run totally on Solar Batteries but for some reason it doesn't....and according to my research it's to keep other country government fat cats $$$$$.


As for the war, I should sat Military Action (that way the government doesn't have to pay the soldiers extra or life-time health, etc.), yes life sucks but suck it up. I'm sorry but I know I wouldn't return deadly fire with deadly fire! I've been there and done that.

You don't understand and I grieve for you....Life is precious! But many of you think that it is not.

Do not mistake the belief that sometimes death cannot be avoided for a belief that life is without value. It is fully possible to genuinely believe that sometimes life must be taken--and to mourn the necessity. The ending of a life should never be taken lightly, and above all is NEVER, EVER to be enjoyed. I believe that one should grieve for one's enemy and oneself if it does come down to bloodshed. But sometimes I, and other people, still think it has to be done. It doesn't mean at all that I do not care.

As for the war, I should sat Military Action (that way the government doesn't have to pay the soldiers extra or life-time health, etc.), yes life sucks but suck it up. I'm sorry but I know I wouldn't return deadly fire with deadly fire! I've been there and done that.

Your personal experience is an understandable reason--but please do not let those experiences turn into hatred for others or it will defeat any possible healing in you.

I should think beheading is far more humane a death than electrocution or asphixiation.

It is the beheadings I am talking about right now. Anyone getting beheaded is disgusting, that is something people did way back in the Dark Ages (correct me if I'm completely stupid about when it was). And it drives me crazy how terrorists don't fight fair, I don't expect them to, but that still isn't very comforting.

I doubt the terrorists feel that their knives and outdated guns vs carpet bombing is very fair. Doesn't make the beheadings any more horrible, but if you want to fight back, its rather effective at discouraging people from going to Iraq..

Do you know why people stay in hot spots?
It is for the money!!!
If they get caught by some wacked out idiot who thinks that the USA will stop doing what it is doing because they have a USA citizen THEY ARE WRONG!

The USA and other nations have a form you fill out that states that if you are captured, etc. they are not responsible to pay a ransom,etc. The USA does not condone kidnapping, etc. and therefore it has made the decision that those who try to kidnap, etc. are expendable along with their hostages. Otherwise you could get an on going hostage crisis!

In the end every USA citizen knows that outside of the USA border they are on their own, just like their ancestors, to make it

Ya know what? If we were so cautious as to watch out for every civilian life we would never win this war.

Okay... Question. Don't you people have anything to do beyond discussing beheading..?
Okay... Answer. If beheading is carried out properly, it hurts far less than electricution. This is due to the fact that a well placed cut severs the jugular and the spinal cord. The absolute longest time it would take for death would be 1-2 seconds. I am not aware how this was "executed" (please excuse my horrible pun,) I found a video (but the first few seconds with the terrorists standing around with swords or saws or whatever was too unnerving.) Electricution takes longer (like in the case of that woman and husband during the cold war; their names elude me.) HOWEVER, if they where sawing away (as you seem to have said) the pain would be about the most horrible possible.

Hanging is much more painful (and the last US hanging was in 193-something.) The last beheading I am aware of in a "civalized" country (in this case Sweden) was in 1890. In response, you see, to the "Dark Ages" question.

Excuse me. A woman was beheaded in Saxony, Germany, in 1908.

It is the beheadings I am talking about right now. Anyone getting beheaded is disgusting, that is something people did way back in the Dark Ages (correct me if I'm completely stupid about when it was). And it drives me crazy how terrorists don't fight fair, I don't expect them to, but that still isn't very comforting.

Beheading has been a practice in most of Europe, particularly during the Middle Ages, and in most of the Middle East, where many countries ( including Saudi Arabia, as I recall ) still practice it as a means of making an example.

The idea is that beheading is much more gruesome and horrific than most other methods of execution. There is also the distinct possibility that the "first attempt" will not be successful, thus providing even more "deterence." Some terrorist groups use a particularly gruesome method, using a knife and a sawing action, effectively making the victim choke on his or her own blood during the process.

I am not aware how this was "executed" (please excuse my horrible pun,) ...HOWEVER, if they where sawing away (as you seem to have said) the pain would be about the most horrible possible.

One of my coworkers saw one of the tapes.

They sawed deep on one side, then the other.
Switched sides several times before the screaming stopped.

I don't care what anyone says, a bullet to the brain is much, much more humaine than that.

I'm sorry but I know I wouldn't return deadly fire with deadly fire! I've been there and done that.

I've been there and done that too, and would do it again if necessary to keep the casualties of those with me lower.

My friends came over right after Berg was killed. I knew there was footage on the internet of the beheading so I said something about it. They convinced me to look for it. I searched for a little while but even the thought of watching a man lose his life, through beheading or not, sickened me. I left the room as they continued their search. I could hear it when they found it. The screaming just seemed so innocent. After a while it was kind of quiet, one of them said "Oh god" and another ran to the restroom and threw up. The third kid didn't really say anything until later the next day, and that was just to say "Guys, that was sick"

So yeah, it's pretty sick stuff. I've never agreed with it and I never will. Regardless, my NoFX quote from earlier still stands.
Berg was dead before they beheaded him. The skips in the video and lack of arterial blood when he is beheaded suggest this. There's also one floating around that wasn't aired by Al-Jazeera.

Fabrizio Quattrocchi, murdered in Iraq on April 14th. In the moment before his death, he yanked off his hood and cried defiantly, “I will show you how an Italian dies!” He ruined the movie for his killers. As a snuff video and recruitment tool, it was all but useless, so much so that the Arabic TV stations declined to show it".

One of my coworkers saw one of the tapes.

They sawed deep on one side, then the other.
Switched sides several times before the screaming stopped.

I don't care what anyone says, a bullet to the brain is much, much more humaine than that.

I agree. The neck is one of the most nerve intensive areas of the human body.

Face it, arabs suck. We need to catch the ringleaders and make them lick out urinals in sports stadiums for halftime shows on the end of leashes. Show them their place. I'd personally love to kick their teeth out with my steel toes and make them suck the white mint at the bottom of the urinal.

Anyone who'd kill over religious mythology needs to be castrated.

and anyone who thinks Arafat was a hero is a piece of shit who is fit for nothing better or worse than to lick my ass after a night of drinking burgundy and eating anchovies.

*Not in character* Um, Gruntar, there's no need to be racist... Arabs aren't all like that... But you're right regarding the terrorist leaders. They should be made to lick out the urinals, then piss out the piss made of piss, and then lick that. But the same has to be said of those sick bastards who were torturing those Iraqi prisoners.

*In character* All Muslims are (four asterisks) and will always be (four asterisks)! Long live the Germachinian Orthodox Church!

Face it, arabs suck

F#ck u, Im an arab and im quite offended by your comments, people like you deserve to be beheaded, I hate ignorant dicks like you.

and anyone who thinks Arafat was a hero is a piece of shit

Arafat was a hero, until you know him as a person you shouldn't judge him by what the media says.
I think you, and you dickhead president goerge bush should be mutilated, in public.