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Or not. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_re_us/plane_diverted)

WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine on Tuesday when it was discovered passenger Yusuf Islam — formerly known as singer Cat Stevens — was on a government watch list and barred from entering the country, federal officials said.

United Airlines Flight 919 was en route to Dulles International Airport when the match was made between a passenger and a name on the watch list, said Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration. The plane was met by federal agents at Maine's Bangor International Airport around 3 p.m., Melendez said.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Dennis Murphy identified the passenger as Islam. "He was interviewed and denied admission to the United States on national security grounds," Murphy said, and would be put on the first available flight out of the country Wednesday.

Officials had no details about why the peace activist might be considered a risk to the United States. Islam had visited New York in May to promote a DVD of his 1976 MajiKat tour.

I feel safer.

Or not. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_re_us/plane_diverted)



I feel safer.
oh yeah, they are keeping important, dangerous people out of the country, like singers from the 70s and liberals.

lets ignore the fact anyone who wants can just wander through the canadian and mexican border, screw the planes

Why the hell did they not just send the plane back to London?

If the plane was well across the Atlanctic, I understand...but still...

I feel safer.
Pussy.

You think finding just one of these creeps makes any difference? While that heroic flight attendant deserves a medal for saving all those innocent fliers, THOUSANDS more terrorist scum are just waiting to KILL YOU THIS MOMENT!

If only you had the guts to think of the evils waiting just around every corner, saved only by the undying vigilance of folks like her, you would NEVER feel safer.

Pussy.

You think finding just one of these creeps makes any difference? While that heroic flight attendant deserves a medal for saving all those innocent fliers, THOUSANDS more terrorist scum are just waiting to KILL YOU THIS MOMENT!

If only you had the guts to think of the evils waiting just around every corner, saved only by the undying vigilance of folks like her, you would NEVER feel safer.

*LMFAO*

Yeah, now we're safe from having to hear him sing.

When ya comin' home dad? I don't know when, I guess when I get permission to enter.....

Cats in the cradle and the... deportation... or something... this joke isn't really working out

When ya comin' home dad? I don't know when, I guess when I get permission to enter.....

Cats in the cradle and the... deportation... or something... this joke isn't really working out

Perhaps because it's a different singer?

Pussy.

You think finding just one of these creeps makes any difference? While that heroic flight attendant deserves a medal for saving all those innocent fliers, THOUSANDS more terrorist scum are just waiting to KILL YOU THIS MOMENT!

If only you had the guts to think of the evils waiting just around every corner, saved only by the undying vigilance of folks like her, you would NEVER feel safer.
Dude, I was being fucking sarcastic. Look at the poll, for crying out loud. Jeez.

Oh wait--you are too. :D

Perhaps because it's a different singer?

What was that?

Cats in the Cradle (Stevens)
A child arrived just the other day,
came to the world in the usual way,
But there were planes to catch
and bills to pay, he learned to walk while I was away
He was talking before I knew it and as he grew
he said I'm going to be like you Dad,
you know I'm going to be like you.

Chorus:

And the cat's in the cradle,
and the silver spoon, Little Boy Blue,
and the Man in the Moon,
When you coming home son, I don't know when
We'll get together then, you know we'll have a good time then.

My son turned 10 just the other day,
Said thanks for the ball now c'mon let's play
Will you teach me to throw, I said not today,
I've got a lot to do, he said that's ok
And he walked away and he smiled and he said
You know I'm going to be like you, Dad,
you know I'm going to be like you.

Chorus

He came from college just the other day,
so much like a man I just had to say,
I'm proud of you, won't you sit for a while
He shook his head and said with a smile,
What I'm feeling like, Dad, is to borrow the car keys
See you later can I have them please.

Chorus

I've long since retired and my son's moved away
I called him up just the other day
I'd like to see you, if you don't mind
He said I'd love to Dad, if I could find the time
You see my new job's a hassle and the kids have the flu
But it's sure nice talking you Dad, it's been real nice talking to you.
And as I hung up the phone it occurred to me
He'd grown up just like me, my boy was just like me.

Chorus

oh yeah, they are keeping important, dangerous people out of the country, like singers from the 70s and liberals.

lets ignore the fact anyone who wants can just wander through the canadian and mexican border, screw the planes

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/28/texas.border.arrest/index.html

This article speaks for itself.

Wrong. Harry Chapin.

Wrong. Harry Chapin.
hmmm, son of a gun... seems that Harry Chapin did indeed write that song.... though I do know that Cat Stevens at least covered it.

****Looking for lyrics to "Cats in the Cradle"? Don't look here! Cat Stevens did NOT ever sing that song, and therefore I have not included the lyrics on my site. It was performed by Harry Chapin. Thank you.*****

http://rlg.peircecentral.com/Cat.html

Q: DID CAT STEVENS SING/WRITE "CAT'S IN THE CRADLE?":
No. "Cat's In The Cradle" was written and recorded by Harry Chapin. This is a VERY common misconception. Recently there have been a number of Cat's In The Cradle MP3 files on file sharing services that claim to be either Cat Stevens (Bio), or Harry Chapin and Cat Stevens. They are not, it's just Harry. Or in some cases some other artist who recorded the song. Cat not only didn't write the song but never performed it. Not live, not in the studio, and not even privately.

http://catstevens.com/faq/index.html#00013

Dude, I was being fucking sarcastic. Look at the poll, for crying out loud. Jeez.

Oh wait--you are too. :D
:D??? :D‽‽‽ This is no grinning matter, son.
If I weren't being fucking sarcastic, then I'd be fucking loony, and The Bible clearly says that one should not bed a menstruating woman, else he be ritually unclean for 7 days, for which he must make a sacrifice to The Lord of a red cow if he can, two sheep if he cannot, and five pounds of flour either way. The officiating priest needs a burnt offering of two sheep and a flour-oil mix, too, or else I would no longer be considered one of The Lord's people.
Ergo, while I'd be fucking better than I am now, I'd also lose a month's worth of beer money, if I weren't being fucking sarcastic. And THAT is definitely not a grinning matter.


Oh, and if the interrobang(‽) works, then I prophesize my resize and the one in this won't.

http://rlg.peircecentral.com/Cat.html



http://catstevens.com/faq/index.html#00013

notice how I admitted my misconception in the post before yours. your post is just vanity.

advocating killing Salman Rushdie doesn't make you a terrorist does it?

advocating killing Salman Rushdie doesn't make you a terrorist does it?
Advocating hatred or killing of anyone would make you more of an idiot than anything.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a harder battle. - Plato

notice how I admitted my misconception in the post before yours. your post is just vanity.

No it was to correct your misconception that he had ever covered the song.

"For all is vanity, and there is nothing that is new under the sun."

- Druthulhu

Ok, preventing a folk singer from entering the country is pretty dumb all by itself but even if you feel that strongly about it, why divert the plane to another part of the country - hes still in the country. Why are muslims in Maine less of a security risk than muslims in Washington. Can somebody please help me here because i am really confused.

No it was to correct your misconception that he had ever covered the song.

"For all is vanity, and there is nothing that is new under the sun."

- Druthulhu

I saw him play it on some TV show when I was a kid. I know that he HAS covered it.

and I absolutely love you now, for quoting Ecclesiastes. By far, my favorite book of the bible.

Ok, preventing a folk singer from entering the country is pretty dumb all by itself but even if you feel that strongly about it, why divert the plane to another part of the country - hes still in the country. Why are muslims in Maine less of a security risk than muslims in Washington. Can somebody please help me here because i am really confused.
You must be really confused because your on the complete wrong track.

It's not that he is a folk singer, it's that he is not allowed to enter the U.S.A.

The plane was diverted to Maine for many possible reasons:
1. The plane may have been on the other side of the Atlantic by the time he was I.D.'d, and the plane did not have sufficient fuel to return to London
2. Canada wouldn't exactly open it's borders to a Washington D.C. bound plane holding someone that America doesn't want.
3. Mexico is too far away
4. Washington D.C. is the capitol of the nation, and is under major security. So having someone who isn't allowed in the U.S. to get to Washington D.C. intentionally would be stupid.
5. The plane was above/near Maine by the time the man was I.D.'d

Ok, preventing a folk singer from entering the country is pretty dumb all by itself but even if you feel that strongly about it, why divert the plane to another part of the country - hes still in the country. Why are muslims in Maine less of a security risk than muslims in Washington. Can somebody please help me here because i am really confused.

http://www.electionprojection.com/images/EVMap.gif

Keep in mind that while D.C. is dark blue, Bush lives there, at least five months a year.

I saw him play it on some TV show when I was a kid. I know that he HAS covered it.

and I absolutely love you now, for quoting Ecclesiastes. By far, my favorite book of the bible.

You were a kid... how old? It was probably Harry.

And are you saying that someone else said that first? :rolleyes:

Advocating hatred or killing of anyone would make you more of an idiot than anything.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a harder battle. - Plato

so you're saying cat steven's is an idiot, not a terrorist for advocating the murder of Salman Rushdie. there is of course no ban on admitting idiots to the united states.

You were a kid... how old? It was probably Harry.

And are you saying that someone else said that first? :rolleyes:

My mom, at the time, told me it was Cat Stevens, I suppose though, that there is the possibility of her being wrong...

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. 3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. 5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. 12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. 14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. 15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. 16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge. 17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. 18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

I somewhat remember something about some senator being repeatedly stopped at the airoports...because his name was on the "terrorist" lists...

It's not that he is a folk singer, it's that he is not allowed to enter the U.S.A.
Duh. :sniper:

You will note i did not actually say anything about why the autorities tried to deprt him.

4. Washington D.C. is the capitol of the nation, and is under major security. So having someone who isn't allowed in the U.S. to get to Washington D.C. intentionally would be stupid.

Isnt washington also quite close to CIA and FBI headquarters? Doesnt the security blanket round Washington in fact make it the safest place to hold an undesirable prior to deportation.

so you're saying cat steven's is an idiot, not a terrorist for advocating the murder of Salman Rushdie. there is of course no ban on admitting idiots to the united states.
well. yeah. I mean, if you're gonna indict him for being an idiot, you would, of course, have to indict the rest of the populus of the united states.

Duh. :sniper:

You will note i did not actually say anything about why the autorities tried to deprt him.


Isnt washington also quite close to CIA and FBI headquarters? Doesnt the security blanket round Washington in fact make it the safest place to hold an undesirable prior to deportation.
Yes but you would feel safer having a man holding a gun to your hand rather than a gun to your head wouldn't you? It's an example, not a metaphor...

actually just 50%...we are not all Bushies..you know
and once again, you've proven my point. I stick to my initial 100%

I somewhat remember something about some senator being repeatedly stopped at the airoports...because his name was on the "terrorist" lists...
Ted Kennedy, wasn't it?

Ted Kennedy, wasn't it?Yeah...

and once again, you've proven my point. I stick to my initial 100%
*slap*

It would mean so much more if I were a girl, but the emotion is still there.

Ted Kennedy, wasn't it?

Yup, him. Some comedian in Homeland Security no doubt.

What was that?

You damn bastard! Now I have that song stuck in my head! ;)

Ted Kennedy, wasn't it? hey murdering some chick you date raped and making it look like a car accident doesn't make you a terrorist, does it?

Where's this 50% / 100% thing y'all are bitching about?

Why do so many people associate Cat Stevens with that Harry Chapin song? Personally I always think first of Moonshadow, even before his signature (these days) Peace Train and perhaps Hard Headed Woman next.

Where's this 50% / 100% thing y'all are bitching about?
who's bitching?

hey murdering some chick you date raped and making it look like a car accident doesn't make you a terrorist, does it?

No and neither does libelling an innocent drunk-driving manslaughterer.

What are you, trying for the "MKULTRA of the Right" position?

No and neither does libelling an innocent drunk-driving manslaughterer.

WhHat are you, trying for the "MKULTRA of the Right" position?

naw i can't be bothered to cut and paste that much. i do occasionally just make stuff up and see if i can google "documentation", about half the time i can. god i love the world wide web!!!!!!!

who's bitching?

My spider-sense was tingling. I certainly did detect a slight but destinct level of bitchiness.

hey murdering some chick you date raped and making it look like a car accident doesn't make you a terrorist, does it?
Only if you're a Muslim.... :D

Sorry not that funny

Why do so many people associate Cat Stevens with that Harry Chapin song? Personally I always think first of Moonshadow, even before his signature (these days) Peace Train and perhaps Hard Headed Woman next.
not to mention 'where do the children play', 'matthew and son', 'father and son' or perhaps 'morning has broken'.

naw i can't be bothered to cut and paste that much. i do occasionally just make stuff up and see if i can google "documentation", about half the time i can. god i love the world wide web!!!!!!!

OK prove it: make something up right now, and verify it.

Keep in mind, the closer you get to mainstream news (and shut up, please, anyone, about liberal dominated media) the more points you get.

not to mention 'where do the children play', 'matthew and son', 'father and son' or perhaps 'morning has broken'.Yah, but there just not the first songs that I associate with him, Moonshadow, Hard Headed Woman and Peace Train are the first ones that come to mind for me and have for years, everything else sort of blends into other songs by Cat Stevens.

OK prove it: make something up right now, and verify it.

Keep in mind, the closer you get to mainstream news (and shut up, please, anyone, about liberal dominated media) the more points you get.

its hard to do on the spur of the moment... also i tried for the Chappaquiddick, date rape thing and couldn't find anything. alot of the time vague slanders have some conspiracy theory backing. i'm sure i could find some "evidence all four pres. and vp candidates are gay, but that's to obvious to even call made up.

Why do so many people associate Cat Stevens with that Harry Chapin song?


folkie, 70's, the word 'cat'. close enough for horseshoes and terrorist watch lists

advocating killing Salman Rushdie doesn't make you a terrorist does it?
That's a misconception, albeit an understandable one. When Salman Rushdie had a fatwa declared against him by an Iranian (I think) cleric, Stevens was asked about it by a British news agency. Stevens responded with a statement about Islamic law and a quote from the Qu'ran, but didn't actually advocate the killing of Rushdie. He basically said that if conditions a, b, and c are met, then the Qu'ran mandated execution. From a pr point of view, it was an extraordinarily stupid thing to say, but it wasn't an advocation of the fatwa. All of his public statements, before and since, have been statements advocating peace and brotherhood.

I've met the guy and the first thing I thought when I heard this news was that it was a joke. Yusuf Islam = nicest guy you'll ever meet.

I've met the guy and the first thing I thought when I heard this news was that it was a joke. Yusuf Islam = nicest guy you'll ever meet.
but he is muslim and opposed the war with iraq, he must be a terrorist!

can you say "silence all opponents"?

but he is muslim and opposed the war with iraq, he must be a terrorist!

can you say "silence all opponents"?

I could say that but I don't know why he's not allowed to enter the USA. Can anyone clarify this?

They feared he might start singing "I'm being followed by a moon shadow" *LOL* idiots! :D

I could say that but I don't know why he's not allowed to enter the USA. Can anyone clarify this?
you want my best bet? already stated it: he became a mulim and opposed bush's war with iraq.

They feared he might start singing "I'm being followed by a moon shadow" *LOL* idiots! :D

I heard a tape of him singing about Prophet Muhammed returning to Mecca and forgiving his persecutors when I was young. If I remember correctly, he is/was a good singer.

but he is muslim and opposed the war with iraq, he must be a terrorist!

can you say "silence all opponents"?

He has also been living in Iran and has associated himself with terrorist organizations. That is why he is persona-non-grata in the US. Is it any loss that he cannot come here? I don't think so....

Him living in Iran - don't see the significance.
Associating with terrorist organisations - be more specific and provide sources, please.

Him living in Iran - don't see the significance.
Associating with terrorist organisations - be more specific and provide sources, please.

He has contributed to Hamas....a terrorist organization.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6067570/

WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight carrying Yusuf Islam — formerly known as singer Cat Stevens — was diverted and the Islam convert removed from the plane because his name was on a government terrorism watch list for allegedly donating money to the militant Palestinian group Hamas, a U.S. law enforcement official said Wednesday.

Forgive me for not being completely convinced by that.

Forgive me for not being completely convinced by that.

Well, it does not matter. He is not a US citizen so he has no "right" to come here.

folkie, 70's, the word 'cat'. close enough for horseshoes and terrorist watch lists
HARRY CHAPIN WAS A TERRORIST???

Just when did Cat Stevens convert and become an "extremist"?

Just when did Cat Stevens convert and become an "extremist"?
1977, I think, for the conversion to Islam. sometime before 1989 for becoming an extremist, I think. I'm not certain about the dates, I'm sure you can look them up online easily but I'm sure I'm in the neighborhood. The 1989 date comes from his public agreement that Rushdie (?sp) should be killed for writing a book critical of Islamic history as taught by most muslims.

1977, I think, for the conversion to Islam. sometime before 1989 for becoming an extremist, I think. I'm not certain about the dates, I'm sure you can look them up online easily but I'm sure I'm in the neighborhood. The 1989 date comes from his public agreement that Rushdie (?sp) should be killed for writing a book critical of Islamic history as taught by most muslims.
entitled satan's something, lets see how many christians were calling for heads to roll over the davinci code? ooh, what about if some one wrote a book calling christianity something about satan, that would be hilarious

entitled satan's something, lets see how many christians were calling for heads to roll over the davinci code? ooh, what about if some one wrote a book calling christianity something about satan, that would be hilarious
The Satanic Verses, and any Christian calling for the death of the author of The DaVinci Code is considered an extremeist. I cannot think of any Christians calling for Dan Brown's death, but I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find one, and ask yourself if they are extremist.

The Satanic Verses, and any Christian calling for the death of the author of The DaVinci Code is considered an extremeist. I cannot think of any Christians calling for Dan Brown's death, but I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find one, and ask yourself if they are extremist.
still not a very clever name for a book with paralells to islam, and talknig about things with little to no other information than he agreed to it doesnt give much room to call anyone an extremist

HARRY CHAPIN WAS A TERRORIST???

damn straight he was. he was influenced by woody guthrie. guthrie wrote an entire album of songs dedicated to known anarchists sacco and vanzetti. anarchists are terrorists. therefore harry chapin was a terrorist.

man, i should go get a job with homeland security, this is easy.

still not a very clever name for a book with paralells to islam, and talknig about things with little to no other information than he agreed to it doesnt give much room to call anyone an extremistHuh? Look, Stevens/Islam gave a very rare interview in Febuary 1989 to a news service (Reuters) in which he said: "If someone defames the prophet, then he must die." Can anyone who makes this statement somehow not be an extremist? I don't know how much room one needs to be considered an extremeist, is Jerry Falwell somehow far from the extreme because he has never said said anyone must die, only that they should die?
If you think people should die for commiting blasphemey, you are considered an extremist by everyone except for other extremists.

You know, as much as I have little sympathy for rabid fundamentalists, the act of refusing entry should really only be made in a case of direct threat rather than anything else. Otherwise it seems that one is banning ideas rather than actions which goes against the fundamental precept of free-speech.

Do I admire his stance to lend qualified vocal support to the fatwa ordered against Rushdie? No. But does that make him any more dangerous than someone who blindly supports every proclamation of the Pope? Or more dangerous than anyone who states their support for the death penalty in the US? After all, under Islamic law that penalty can be seen as fairly equivalent to our domestic laws. And stating a position on the legality of an issue is a far cry from being an active participant after all. It may make me dislike him, but it doesn't make me fear him.



20 years ago, the ANC was considered a terrorist group by the State Department. As such, if one applied the current laws foreigners who had given funds to free Nelson Mandela could have been denied entry, and citizens who gave funds could be locked away indefinitely without access judicial review. As long as these lists are a reflection of political expediency then they are generally not very useful things from a security point of view.
Also note that all reports only say "alleged" nor do they indicate if such support may have been given before Hamas was put on the watch list. Both of those are certainly relevant issues.



Has denying Yousef's entry made you any safer? Or just cost you a bunch of tax dollars?

I'd say the latter....

Do I like the guy's viewpoint? No. But that is hardly a security threat.

I'm sure the plane load of people who had their flight delayed for hours because of a stupid diversion would agree with you Zeppistan.

Also no one has yet given me a good answer to my question in post 19 of this thread. Why does landing an undesirable in Maine present an advantage to landing him in Washington, other than making it more likely that people will notice.

I'm sure the plane load of people who had their flight delayed for hours because of a stupid diversion would agree with you Zeppistan.

Also no one has yet given me a good answer to my question in post 19 of this thread. Why does landing an undesirable in Maine present an advantage to landing him in Washington, other than making it more likely that people will notice.
deporting is easier when your in maine, canda is what a couple hours away by car in any direction but south?

entitled satan's something, lets see how many christians were calling for heads to roll over the davinci code? ooh, what about if some one wrote a book calling christianity something about satan, that would be hilarious

You mean like The Last Days of the Vampire Jesus Christ? Man that one was just lame! ;)

deporting is easier when your in maine, canda is what a couple hours away by car in any direction but south?

Actually, under the circumstances normally a person refused entrance is deported back to their country of departure. IT is considered bad form to foist them on third parties.

Also no one has yet given me a good answer to my question in post 19 of this thread. Why does landing an undesirable in Maine present an advantage to landing him in Washington, other than making it more likely that people will notice.
Bangor International Airport (BIA) is a catchall for transalantic problems, flights are diverted there for many reasons. Portions of the airport are extra-territorial (not considered part of the US) and the security staff are trained and experienced in dealing with many problems. Airplanes with unruly drunks, for instance, are diverted to BIA as are those with suspected criminals of all sorts and so on. I expect the diverson to BIA was mostly due to it being standard procedure and the primary advantage in this case was that Stevens/Islam never got to set foot on US soil (which would have made it a case of actual legal deportation).

deporting is easier when your in maine, canda is what a couple hours away by car in any direction but south?
I dont see means of transport as being a problem from Washington either. After all he was always going to land in an airport from where it is usually quite easy to catch a plane.

I'm sure the plane load of people who had their flight delayed for hours because of a stupid diversion would agree with you Zeppistan.

Also no one has yet given me a good answer to my question in post 19 of this thread. Why does landing an undesirable in Maine present an advantage to landing him in Washington, other than making it more likely that people will notice.

Once a terrorist has been deemed to be aboard, I think that it is standard procedure to keep them away from Washington, and probably also a few other major metropolitan centers. The usual set of rigidly applied rules that bureaucrats dream up in long-winded meetings....

Bangor International Airport (BIA) is a catchall for transalantic problems, flights are diverted there for many reasons. Portions of the airport are extra-territorial (not considered part of the US) and the security staff are trained and experienced in dealing with many problems. Airplanes with unruly drunks, for instance, are diverted to BIA as are those with suspected criminals of all sorts and so on. I expect the diverson to BIA was mostly due to it being standard procedure and the primary advantage in this case was that Stevens/Islam never got to set foot on US soil (which would have made it a case of actual legal deportation).
thanks Squi, that makes sense (even if the decision to deport him doesnt in the first place.)

damn straight he was. he was influenced by woody guthrie. guthrie wrote an entire album of songs dedicated to known anarchists sacco and vanzetti. anarchists are terrorists. therefore harry chapin was a terrorist.

man, i should go get a job with homeland security, this is easy.

"Six Degrees of Seperation". Did you see John Stewart when he connected Bush to the SBVT in one? "You know, we tried that with Saddam and Bin Ladin... not as easy." ;)

I dont see means of transport as being a problem from Washington either. After all he was always going to land in an airport from where it is usually quite easy to catch a plane.
it was a joke..

Six pages and I just realized there was a poll attached to this thread . . ..

http://rlg.peircecentral.com/Cat.html



http://catstevens.com/faq/index.html#00013

It dosn't help that recors of cat stevens exist what that song on it. I know, I have it at home.

It dosn't help that recors of cat stevens exist what that song on it. I know, I have it at home.

What album is it? Not a bootleg I hope...

oh yeah, they are keeping important, dangerous people out of the country, like singers from the 70s and liberals.

lets ignore the fact anyone who wants can just wander through the canadian and mexican border, screw the planes
Not the Mexican border!!!
There are Brown people down there and we spend billions on that borders security.
Now Canada, oh we leave that bird wide open, wide open.
Up north those are good whites of European blood, Seig Heil.
Those dirty bean-eaters south o' da border we gadda keyp em out!!
Day tuk hour Jobs!!
Sorry, sorry.
There is however an undeniable bias against Mexican immigrants.
No I am not Mexican or Liberal, I just have eyes and a heart.

th' t'k 'r jaaaab'...