NationStates Jolt Archive

Gee, how to put this...I guess I despise them because, oh I don't know...I'M NOT WHITE!!! If one more person compliments me on my fair skin and says, "Hey lady, you can pass as white," I swear I'm going to stick feathers in my hair and smear war paint all over my face. Don't you get it? I'm NOT WHITE...I DON'T CARE if it makes you feel better to think of me as white. I mean, no one walks up to a tanned Caucasian and say, "Hey, isn't it great you can pass as an Indian?" Okay...that's not white supremacy, that's just stupid people. Here is why I can't stand white supremists:

*They can't stop talking about Jews. How boring. I mean, do you really expect us to believe that the Jewish people are behind every bad thing that has every happened? Is it their fault you are a stupid moron? Maybe the Jews made you eat lead paint.

* Their music sucks. Personal opinion. I just can't stand that racist thrash metal crap. Of course, if they were playing racist polkas, I'd probably hate that too.

* Many white supremists try to come off as "moderate" or friends of the "coloured races", by teaching them how racial mixing will destroy the purity of ALL races by turning us into a sludge of brown mutts. Oh no. The gene for red hair will die out, and freckles will disappear. We'll all have Asian eyes, Black butts, Native hair and so on....hey...have you ever SEEN Brazilians? A hotter bunch of mixed race people there are not! Besides...I don't see it happening. People are always going to be more comfortable marrying within their culture. Don't worry, Nazi boys and girls....there will still be pasty skinned hotties for you to smooch.

* This list could go on and on and on...what's YOUR opinion?

*hug*

Sorry they piss you off so much. They piss me off too, and I AM white.

Yes, let's turn this into a 'I HATE WHITE SUPREMACISTS!' thread.

I hate them for all that stupid 'superiority' and 'master race' idealogy they spew out.

*hug*

Sorry they piss you off so much. They piss me off too, and I AM white.
.

Yes, let's turn this into a 'I HATE WHITE SUPREMACISTS!' thread.

I hate them for all that stupid 'superiority' and 'master race' idealogy they spew out.

I specifically avoided saying "hate" because I don't hate anyone...especially folks I don't know. I kind of think they're more misguided than evil...though some of them are truly sick. Hate, no. Pity, scorn, some fear, anger, yes.

I hate how they go on about how "white people" are the master race, but at the same time, all the lesser races are crushing them effortlessly.

I hate how they go on about how "white people" are the master race, but at the same time, all the lesser races are crushing them effortlessly.

Not quite sure I see what you mean here. Can you elaborate a bit?

Not quite sure I see what you mean here. Can you elaborate a bit?

DON'T TELL!!! Kerubia is obviously not part of the secret plan!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

Racist thrash metal bands? I'm curious for an example, as I've necer heard of any (not saying they don't exist, mind you, just I've never heard of them). You're not thinking of "skinhead-punk" music like Screwdriver or Bastard Squad are you?

Racist thrash metal bands? I'm curious for an example, as I've necer heard of any (not saying they don't exist, mind you, just I've never heard of them). You're not thinking of "skinhead-punk" music like Screwdriver or Bastard Squad are you?

Nope. I can appreciate the often political message of many (skinhead or fuzzy headed) punk bands. Nazi metal however...yikes...examples? Well my baby won't give me enough time to google it, but I did see an A&E special on Nazi thrash trash.... and the songs in American X are real songs....it's out there, I've heard it on occasion, and that's as far into it as I want to go.

The "lesser" races are crushing the whites? Be sure to look at who is in charge of the most powerful nations of the world, friends. America, Britain, and the rest of the world's powers are obviously guided by racist beliefs. It's nothing new, and it's not likely to change soon. So unless you've got some plan to deal with the "White opressors", or whoever is in charge, then stop complaining, do some work, or leave.

And what's wrong with having some pride in your race, even if you are white. I am sick of white children not being taught to be proud of their heritage like black and hispanic and asian children are. There is no "White History month", is there? That's because the majority of white people are being pushed into being afraid of expressing their pride of history and heritage. Not that everyone shouldn't learn about their race's history and accomplishments, but it isn't fair to single certain people or races out to be made special. Fuck Affirmative Action. Fuck the NAACP.

Be human.

American History X is a wicked movie.

White supremists are so damn lame. Racism is really uncool, I despise it. But I also dislike how some people think that all skinheads are automatically neo-nazi's and whatnot. It's just stupid.

I listen to a lot of Oi! (Skinhead punk) and none of what I listen to has any racist messages.

Unfortunately there are bands like SKREWDRIVER that gives skinheads really bad reputation.

Hey, what's wrong with Asian eyes, black butts, and native hair? White supremacists really are stupid if they've got a problem with that.

I hate how they go on about how "white people" are the master race, but at the same time, all the lesser races are crushing them effortlessly.

you wanna back that up with examples?

The "lesser" races are crushing the whites? Be sure to look at who is in charge of the most powerful nations of the world, friends. America, Britain, and the rest of the world's powers are obviously guided by racist beliefs. It's nothing new, and it's not likely to change soon. So unless you've got some plan to deal with the "White opressors", or whoever is in charge, then stop complaining, do some work, or leave.

And what's wrong with having some pride in your race, even if you are white. I am sick of white children not being taught to be proud of their heritage like black and hispanic and asian children are. There is no "White History month", is there? That's because the majority of white people are being pushed into being afraid of expressing their pride of history and heritage. Not that everyone shouldn't learn about their race's history and accomplishments, but it isn't fair to single certain people or races out to be made special. Fuck Affirmative Action. Fuck the NAACP.

Be human.

I totally agree with everything you said

as a white guy they piss me off too.

don't worry - they are a dying "breed" - any evolved person is beyond such sillyness.

I hate how they go on about how "white people" are the master race, but at the same time, all the lesser races are crushing them effortlessly.
Ah, if only it were true...

Of course, we should probably mention the organizations like the Black Panthers too, ya know. Just so we are all clear that it isn't just white people that are supremacists sometimes. In fact, the Japanese and Chinese peoples especially have a long tradition of believing that they are the epitome of perfection. Not to say that this is still the case, but at the same time, I am fairly sure the ruling powers there are still caught in this belief. Just making sure we evenly distribute the blame.

And, while we are on this topic, fuck the NAACP. Fuck affirmative action. For that matter, fuck those little boxes on the SAT that ask you your race. True equality will not exist until we stop basing anything on race. I'm a southerner, and it's obvious enough to me. Too bad not enough people have gotten smart yet.

White Supremacists aren't exactly difficult to hate, are they? It's kind of like 'Me' Supremacists, except that they have no achievements of their own, so they have to glorify something as vacuous as race in order to assert their assumed superiority. Vocal Patriots are similar in a way.

It really bugs me that my dear old granny still insists on clinging to her racist dogma. I can't exactly hate her, after all she's done for me, but still... I'm getting really good at changing the subject when I visit her for tea. Especially when she starts on about the jews. She doesn't like jews.

Supremacists (racial, religious etc.) of any type are idiots.

There are two things a person should never be angry at, what they can help, and what they cannot. - Plato

edit: I contest that this man was "evolved", as you say, and he lived 2500 years ago. Idiots will always exist, because idiots refuse to accept their own ability not to be idiots. "Wise men don't need advice. Fools won't take it." - Benjamin Franklin

And what's wrong with having some pride in your race, even if you are white. I am sick of white children not being taught to be proud of their heritage like black and hispanic and asian children are.

Please. White kids are taught all the time that they are "lucky". Like you said, the world powers are run by governments composed mostly of whites. Isn't it better to be one of the 'has' than the 'has nots'? Blacks and Asians are taught in schools to be proud of their heritage? Only recently, and only in dribs and drabs to appease the minimum standards of decency. Oh no, white kids have to learn about OTHER PEOPLE...hell, I had white history crammed down my throat all through school...we studied Europe, never Africa or Asia, and CERTAINLY not my own Native history. It makes me laugh that people get so upset that they might have to look outside of their own narrow perpective of the world and perhaps realise that the sun does not rise and set with YOU.


There is no "White History month", is there? That's because the majority of white people are being pushed into being afraid of expressing their pride of history and heritage. Not that everyone shouldn't learn about their race's history and accomplishments, but it isn't fair to single certain people or races out to be made special. Fuck Affirmative Action. Fuck the NAACP.

No white history month? That's because the WHOLE YEAR is a white history extravaganza. It's been centuries of white dominance compared to a few paltry decades of semi-inclusion. Boo hoo. You're right, it isn't fair to single our certain people or races to be made special...that's why we're trying to get away from exalting the white European over everyone else. Does that bother you? Does it threaten you? I'm not telling you to keep your head low and not be proud of your history...so don't do it to me. I for one would rather my kids learned about the whole world....not just one part of it.

By the way, Olvinyard, that rant wasn't actually directed at you personally:)

Please. White kids are taught all the time that they are "lucky". Like you said, the world powers are run by governments composed mostly of whites. Isn't it better to be one of the 'has' than the 'has nots'? Blacks and Asians are taught in schools to be proud of their heritage? Only recently, and only in dribs and drabs to appease the minimum standards of decency. Oh no, white kids have to learn about OTHER PEOPLE...hell, I had white history crammed down my throat all through school...we studied Europe, never Africa or Asia, and CERTAINLY not my own Native history. It makes me laugh that people get so upset that they might have to look outside of their own narrow perpective of the world and perhaps realise that the sun does not rise and set with YOU.

you never hear about africa because, after the time of egypt, there wasn't anything of note that happened there. And I know you learned about egypt. Also, if you didn't hear about Asia, I would be hesitant to think that you actually went to school. Asia's history, while very rich, isn't quite as universally influential as that of western culture. Typically, Asia itself has been fairly isolationist. Isolationist cultures don't particularly affect other cultures, and therefore you don't hear much about what asian nations did because they didn't do much. A main point of history is to learn, through studying about what has already happened, how the world got to be the way it is today. Apart from owning certain coveted spices, Asia never really contributed to the state of things today. Hell, it's not like Karl Marx or Lenin were from hong kong, and JOHN LOCKE certainly wasn't. Western Culture has had far greater effect on eastern culture than vice versa.

I agree that supremacy, in any people, is disgusting. Many Natives hate whites, and their reasons are just as cloudy as any other people that hate blindly. My best friend is a Sunni Pakistani, and her family is willing to disown her so she doesn't marry a Sufi Pakistani. Give me a break. Why can't we enjoy our differences? Like that will ever happen. Grrrr. Not when people still go around teaching their kids how to be racist.

I agree that supremacy, in any people, is disgusting. Many Natives hate whites, and their reasons are just as cloudy as any other people that hate blindly. My best friend is a Sunni Pakistani, and her family is willing to disown her so she doesn't marry a Sufi Pakistani. Give me a break. Why can't we enjoy our differences? Like that will ever happen. Grrrr. Not when people still go around teaching their kids how to be racist.

I'm not really sure if this is in reply to what I posted, but the fact is that ignorance breeds ignorance. White supremacists breed white supremicists, et cetera. Wouldn't it stand to reason then, that if you hate supremacists, you have also become a supremacist in your own right? You are therefore advocating the greatness of one methodology over another, and thereby completing the vicious cycle that is supremacy. Hate breeds hate, love breeds love, apathy breeds apathy. The only way to escape the cycle that is cycle itself is to merely not be a slave to hate, love or apathy.

you never hear about africa because, after the time of egypt, there wasn't anything of note that happened there.

Your glaring ignorance is, well, glaring:( Are you joking? What about the empire of Mali? Akhbar the Great? Sunni the Magnificent? Africa was a center of learning and culture exchange while the Europeans were still mucking about in the rain bitching about the Pycts. Plus, the fact that the slave trade basically financed the exploration of the New World should be enough to include it in the "need to know about" list.

And I know you learned about egypt. Ancient Egypt...and only superficially...like, oh ah, look at the cute paintings on the walls. What about the Egypt of the past 3000 years?

Also, if you didn't hear about Asia, I would be hesitant to think that you actually went to school. China. India. Two small parts of Asia, and for two small units once, in 12 years.

Asia's history, while very rich, isn't quite as universally influential as that of western culture. Typically, Asia itself has been fairly isolationist. Isolationist cultures don't particularly affect other cultures, and therefore you don't hear much about what asian nations did because they didn't do much. A main point of history is to learn, through studying about what has already happened, how the world got to be the way it is today. Apart from owning certain coveted spices, Asia never really contributed to the state of things today. Hell, it's not like Karl Marx or Lenin were from hong kong, and JOHN LOCKE certainly wasn't. Western Culture has had far greater effect on eastern culture than vice versa.

Yes, let's just forget all the important Eastern philosophers...like...oh...what are their names...oh yeah...WE NEVER LEARNED ABOUT THEM....until university that is. You know how Asia contributed? Immigration. And telling all those immigrants to forget their history and accept that European history has had MORE UNIVERSAL IMPACT is ridiculous. The Chinese have an unbroken history stretching back thousands of years...as do the Indians (from India)...and you think it's okay to discount that because you haven't read any of their philosopher's works?

Don't worry Sinuhue, I'm not offended.

I realize that it does seem as if the whole year is white history, but that isn't exactly the fault of any particular race. It has a lot more to do with culture. As a people we have to understand that it will take a lot longer than the 250+ years the U.S. has come about to make people of all skin colors and cultures to minlge and become unified. These things take an incredible amount of time, effort, and teamwork.
What I meant by no white history month is that there is no time when white people are politically and socially allotted particular ability to sit back and say, "Ah, haven't my people done wonderful things?" There is a black month for that. Every year a big deal is made out of it, and it isn't really offensive to me. I am glad some people have the gumption to stand up and be proud. As for learning about all whites in school, it isn't really like a victory for whites. White children are just as bored learning about white people in school as black and asian children are. It doesn't matter what race a person is if you're reading about them in a high school history book, because chances are if you're still in high school, you do not care.
Furthermore, from my own personal experience I learned quite a great deal about African and Asian history in my freshman and sophomore years. It is certainly not absent from the curriculum, at least in Massachusetts. I can't speak for the rest of the country.

All I am saying is that I am very proud of my European ancestry. I am fine with other people being proud of their heritage, but I would appreciate more tolerance of Pro-White activity. Actually, I would prefer it if there were no pro- or anti- race groups, but hey, the world isn't perfect, and neither are the people in it.

I'm not really sure if this is in reply to what I posted, but the fact is that ignorance breeds ignorance. White supremacists breed white supremicists, et cetera. Wouldn't it stand to reason then, that if you hate supremacists, you have also become a supremacist in your own right? You are therefore advocating the greatness of one methodology over another, and thereby completing the vicious cycle that is supremacy. Hate breeds hate, love breeds love, apathy breeds apathy. The only way to escape the cycle that is cycle itself is to merely not be a slave to hate, love or apathy.


I specifically stated earlier that I do not HATE anyone. Hate is based on ignorance and fear, and I don't know any white supremists enough to feel so strongly about them. I am not championing any methodology, I'm simply stating that white supremacy bothers me, because it is directed against me. Don't tell me to walk into a Nazi meeting and throw flowers around. I'd rather not get my ass kicked. I have never said that I consider any one group better than another, so NO, that doesn NOT make me a supremist. Quit with the cultural relativism crap. Sorry for the bitchiness...I fell off my bike and got scraped up, so I'm grumpy:)

Your glaring ignorance is, well, glaring:( Are you joking? What about the empire of Mali? Akhbar the Great? Sunni the Magnificent? Africa was a center of learning and culture exchange while the Europeans were still mucking about in the rain bitching about the Pycts. Plus, the fact that the slave trade basically financed the exploration of the New World should be enough to include it in the "need to know about" list.

My... Ignorance? It's becoming more and more apparent to me that you never actually read the "point" of my post, and just replied to mutually independent sections. Those empires were great, sure, but like the empires in Asia, didn't really affect the rest of the world at all. Egypt had its hands in every aspect of life, all over the world, and therefore was the last "great" (great meaning influential) civilization in africa.

Ancient Egypt...and only superficially...like, oh ah, look at the cute paintings on the walls. What about the Egypt of the past 3000 years?

refer to above post. After the decline of the great dynasties, egypt didn't really do much (once again, in terms of affecting the world), and still manages not to do much to this day.

China. India. Two small parts of Asia, and for two small units once, in 12 years.

This isn't really a complete set of sentences, and I'm really having trouble discerning what you actually meant by them, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you meant that China and India were all that I was referring to. I was actually referring to asia as a whole. There were various warlords in Asia that rose to power, but once again, they only really affected Asia for the most part.

Yes, let's just forget all the important Eastern philosophers...like...oh...what are their names...oh yeah...WE NEVER LEARNED ABOUT THEM....until university that is. You know how Asia contributed? Immigration. And telling all those immigrants to forget their history and accept that European history has had MORE UNIVERSAL IMPACT is ridiculous. The Chinese have an unbroken history stretching back thousands of years...as do the Indians (from India)...and you think it's okay to discount that because you haven't read any of their philosopher's works?

You meant like confucious, buddha, Lao Tsu (though he never really existed) and the various others that you actually should have learned about in school? The ones that I, having gone to a public school, did learn about in school? I'm a philosophy major, and I've definitely read many, many things by many, many different eastern philosophers. The fact of the matter is that among the thousands of Western philosophers, there have been hundreds of completely different viewpoints. Variety. Out of the thousands (yes, there were thousands) of Eastern philosophers with very legitimate viewpoints, most of those viewpoints can be boiled down to a few dozen actual, completely independent view points. As for the unbroken chinese history thing, I am once again convinced that you didn't actually read my post, but merely looked for "key words" and responded to them however you liked them.

The majority of asia, for the span of its existence, has been VERY isolationist and VERY imperialist. You see these great empires that spanned hundreds and/or thousands of years, and yet, as of about ~100 years ago, changed completely. Think about it, China is communist now. Karl Marx. Japan is capitalist now. John Locke. The majority of the other asian countries fall neatly in to one of these two categories.

edit: I also find it... Ironic I suppose, that in an attempt to appeal to non-ignorance, you manage to start your argument off with an ad-hominem attack, rather than a rational point of view.

I specifically stated earlier that I do not HATE anyone. Hate is based on ignorance and fear, and I don't know any white supremists enough to feel so strongly about them. I am not championing any methodology, I'm simply stating that white supremacy bothers me, because it is directed against me. Don't tell me to walk into a Nazi meeting and throw flowers around. I'd rather not get my ass kicked. I have never said that I consider any one group better than another, so NO, that doesn NOT make me a supremist. Quit with the cultural relativism crap. Sorry for the bitchiness...I fell off my bike and got scraped up, so I'm grumpy:)

I can agree with this, but once again, think that you may have missed the point of my extremely drawn-out, long-winded posts. I'm trying to figure out whether you feel the need to walk in to a Nazi meeting and throw flowers around. And I'm not a cultural relativist, and I'm not really sure where in my post about "why ignorance breed ignorance" did you gather that I was.

The "lesser" races are crushing the whites? Be sure to look at who is in charge of the most powerful nations of the world, friends. America, Britain, and the rest of the world's powers are obviously guided by racist beliefs. It's nothing new, and it's not likely to change soon. So unless you've got some plan to deal with the "White opressors", or whoever is in charge, then stop complaining, do some work, or leave.

And what's wrong with having some pride in your race, even if you are white. I am sick of white children not being taught to be proud of their heritage like black and hispanic and asian children are. There is no "White History month", is there? That's because the majority of white people are being pushed into being afraid of expressing their pride of history and heritage. Not that everyone shouldn't learn about their race's history and accomplishments, but it isn't fair to single certain people or races out to be made special. Fuck Affirmative Action. Fuck the NAACP.

Be human.

And, COME ON give me a break you say white people claim "master race" and then YOU GO AND START SAYING ALL OTHERS ARE MASTER RACE AFTER SAYING MASTER RACE IS BAD!!! HONESTLY! Are you even aware what you are saying??? Ooh, listen to me white people say they are masters so they are evil, *turns around* Hey, man ya we are the masters arent we.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE THINK BEFORE YOU TALK THINK BEFORE YOU LIVE

And, COME ON give me a break you say white people claim "master race" and then YOU GO AND START SAYING ALL OTHERS ARE MASTER RACE AFTER SAYING MASTER RACE IS BAD!!! HONESTLY! Are you even aware what you are saying??? Ooh, listen to me white people say they are masters so they are evil, *turns around* Hey, man ya we are the masters arent we.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE THINK BEFORE YOU TALK THINK BEFORE YOU LIVE
jesus... maybe I came to the wrong forum, if this is the kind of inane drivel I'm going to have to subject my eyes to.

Please. White kids are taught all the time that they are "lucky". Like you said, the world powers are run by governments composed mostly of whites. Isn't it better to be one of the 'has' than the 'has nots'? Blacks and Asians are taught in schools to be proud of their heritage? Only recently, and only in dribs and drabs to appease the minimum standards of decency. Oh no, white kids have to learn about OTHER PEOPLE...hell, I had white history crammed down my throat all through school...we studied Europe, never Africa or Asia, and CERTAINLY not my own Native history. It makes me laugh that people get so upset that they might have to look outside of their own narrow perpective of the world and perhaps realise that the sun does not rise and set with YOU.
ya, about this - The real reason no one learns much history about Asia and Africa and all those countries you don't hear much about. Is - it is a proven fact that the Europeans or "whites" were the only ones to record their history that we have found-meaning that everything we learn in history is from their point of view. Therefore, as Europeans did not do much in those nations none that happened there is recorded.

P.S. I agree about kids learnin about everyone though, but at the moment it isn't really possible so you can't really get on anyone for it, right?

And... I'm sorry my race offends you in any way, truly, I am. (that was directed to sinuhue)

jesus... maybe I came to the wrong forum, if this is the kind of inane drivel I'm going to have to subject my eyes to.

Maybe, just maybe you did. That is a clear point IF you read everything up to it, even if you just read the first page. Apparently, however you didn't so I assume that yes, you did come to the wrong forum.

ya, about this - The real reason no one learns much history about Asia and Africa and all those countries you don't hear much about. Is - it is a proven fact that the Europeans or "whites" were the only ones to record their history that we have found-meaning that everything we learn in history is from their point of view. Therefore, as Europeans did not do much in those nations none that happened there is recorded.

P.S. I agree about kids learnin about everyone though, but at the moment it isn't really possible so you can't really get on anyone for it, right?

And... I'm sorry my race offends you in any way, truly, I am. (that was directed to sinuhue)

What are you talking about?! Are you braindead?! The entirety of asia from ~5000B.C. has written down pretty much everything that has happened. The Incas and Aztecs kept extremely detailed records of pretty much everything they did. The egyptian hieroglyphs, I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD OF THOSE, were a record of egyptian civilization.

Gee, how to put this...I guess I despise them because, oh I don't know...I'M NOT WHITE!!! If one more person compliments me on my fair skin and says, "Hey lady, you can pass as white," I swear I'm going to stick feathers in my hair and smear war paint all over my face. Don't you get it? I'm NOT WHITE...I DON'T CARE if it makes you feel better to think of me as white. I mean, no one walks up to a tanned Caucasian and say, "Hey, isn't it great you can pass as an Indian?"


:D LOL, that's very funny. Although, I still think it's pretty cool if people can't quite tell what race you are. I met a Samoan guy from Tuscon, who's normally mistaken for Mexican, but he can also look black with the right skin tone, lighting, and clothes. I also knew a white guy who would get a really dark brown color every summer, cause he went fishing a lot and didn't wear a shirt. He basically looked like someone from South America. I guess I think it's cool when sterotypes break down because you can't tell what color somebody is.

And who cares about white supremicists?

Maybe, just maybe you did. That is a clear point IF you read everything up to it, even if you just read the first page. Apparently, however you didn't so I assume that yes, you did come to the wrong forum.
yeah... I actually did read everything up to your post. That didn't make it any less trite.

My... Ignorance? It's becoming more and more apparent to me that you never actually read the "point" of my post, and just replied to mutually independent sections. Those empires were great, sure, but like the empires in Asia, didn't really affect the rest of the world at all. Egypt had its hands in every aspect of life, all over the world, and therefore was the last "great" (great meaning influential) civilization in africa.

For the sake of brevity, I replied to specific parts of your post, and no, I didn't miss the point, re: "Western nations have shaped the present world more so than Eastern ones". Blah. You also said that children are taught about Egypt and Asia, as though that study is in-depth instead of insultingly surface (my reference to China and India was meant to point out that you can hardly call a brief introduction to two countries of a continent a study of Asia as a whole).

Yes, learning about Europe in particular gives you a good background if you want to understand the state of things today. They were rabidly expansionist and therefore European ideas have spread much more rapidly. However, only studying Europe in depth gives you a very slanted perspective of things. To understand the rise of Islamic fundamentalism for example, you need to understand the history of Islam and the schism, just as you should learn about the Reformation. China and India alone contain a third of the population of the world...and the vast majority of Westerners are extremely ignorant of their history. Considering that in the near future, by sheer force of numbers, the East is going to have a much bigger impact on us than we on them, it seems short-sighted to focus only on European history.

Europe has only recently (in the last 500 years) been a global force. That is not always going to be the case. Their influence was due to a rapid, and bloody expansion (as is usually the case throughout history), but that influence is waning as their expansionist tendencies have slowed, or been curbed by pressure from the East. Yes, China has been extremely isolationist...but historically, China has been a great assimilator. When the Mongols invaded, they did not crush Chinese civilization...they stayed, intermarried, and were absorbed. In the long run, this ability to absorb outside influence and make it more "Chinese" (communism was adopted on their own terms...they are nothing like the Soviets were) is likely to make China a more significant power in the future than Europe. The Japanese share this trait...they are masters at inovating and taking Western ideas and making them their own.

My point is that despite the small blip of European influence in the grand scheme of things, it does not justify clinging to the outdated belief that European history is SUPERIOR. Yeah, I get your point...I just don't think it's that important.

I do think that the white supremists do get alittle out of hand, but I do agree with the fact that the white race is getting the shaft. Just because the majority of whites can do for themselves why should we always be looking out for those who won't. For example Blacks want reparations, mexicans want free health care because they came to america illegally, muslims want to be in the U. S. A. and take advantage of all the freedoms but then they bash americans. What the hell. I think that to be in our free country you should have to support our free country. If you don't then you should get a free one way ticket back to your oppressive shitty third world country you came from. You sure as hell don't think that those countries give a shit about your freedom, and they sure as hell won't pay you extra because you speak the native tounge!!!(no habla!?) COME TO AMERICA, WORK HARD, PAY YOUR DUES, TAXES, BE THANKFUL THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T RAPE AND KILL YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER, AND DAMMIT SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!

And... I'm sorry my race offends you in any way, truly, I am. (that was directed to sinuhue)

Please actually read my posts before spouting silly stuff like this. When did I become a hater of whites? I'm taking about white supremists and their racism. I am indifferent to your race...I'm more interested in you as a person. But not you personally:) hehehehe...sorry...long day

i know how to fix stuff like this!

2 words: piano wire

What are you talking about?! Are you braindead?! The entirety of asia from ~5000B.C. has written down pretty much everything that has happened. The Incas and Aztecs kept extremely detailed records of pretty much everything they did. The egyptian hieroglyphs, I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD OF THOSE, were a record of egyptian civilization.

Ok, true but even now we don't have all the information from that, but, all the same that is an excellent point. My question to you is: If we have access to all that why don't we learn about it? I was simply thinking out loud, and I am thinking of more modern history than the hieroglyphs. All I am saying is based on the history I have learned of, almost everything is from European view, in fact I have learned more of other races and countrys from games which of course can't always be trusted but the information on Age Of Empires 2: Age Of Kings regarding the Aztecs I believe to be accurate-but even there they included the raids of Cortes.(But, thats a pretty major incident for them anyway... considering he defeated them and all)

[Sinuhue]
Gee, how to put this...I guess I despise them because, oh I don't know...I'M NOT WHITE!!! If one more person compliments me on my fair skin and says, "Hey lady, you can pass as white," I swear I'm going to stick feathers in my hair and smear war paint all over my face. Don't you get it? I'm NOT WHITE...I DON'T CARE if it makes you feel better to think of me as white. I mean, no one walks up to a tanned Caucasian and say, "Hey, isn't it great you can pass as an Indian?" Okay...that's not white supremacy, that's just stupid people. Here is why I can't stand white supremists:

*They can't stop talking about Jews. How boring. I mean, do you really expect us to believe that the Jewish people are behind every bad thing that has every happened? Is it their fault you are a stupid moron? Maybe the Jews made you eat lead paint.

* Their music sucks. Personal opinion. I just can't stand that racist thrash metal crap. Of course, if they were playing racist polkas, I'd probably hate that too.

* Many white supremists try to come off as "moderate" or friends of the "coloured races", by teaching them how racial mixing will destroy the purity of ALL races by turning us into a sludge of brown mutts. Oh no. The gene for red hair will die out, and freckles will disappear. We'll all have Asian eyes, Black butts, Native hair and so on....hey...have you ever SEEN Brazilians? A hotter bunch of mixed race people there are not! Besides...I don't see it happening. People are always going to be more comfortable marrying within their culture. Don't worry, Nazi boys and girls....there will still be pasty skinned hotties for you to smooch.

* This list could go on and on and on...what's YOUR opinion?

I personally can't stand anyone who holds that anyone is inherently superior to anyone else. Period.

That's just a bizarre unobservant reaction to some deep trauma they had at some point.

Poor idiots.

May they learn from nature and the rest of our beautiful kind.

For the sake of brevity, I replied to specific parts of your post, and no, I didn't miss the point, re: "Western nations have shaped the present world more so than Eastern ones". Blah. You also said that children are taught about Egypt and Asia, as though that study is in-depth instead of insultingly surface (my reference to China and India was meant to point out that you can hardly call a brief introduction to two countries of a continent a study of Asia as a whole).

Ok, sure, I guess teaching them more about Asia could help them, but covering India pretty much covers all of south-central asia, because that is where the culture there came from, and covering china is covering most of mainland and island asia, because, as you say below, china assimilated and changed a good number of asian cultures.

Yes, learning about Europe in particular gives you a good background if you want to understand the state of things today. They were rabidly expansionist and therefore European ideas have spread much more rapidly. However, only studying Europe in depth gives you a very slanted perspective of things. To understand the rise of Islamic fundamentalism for example, you need to understand the history of Islam and the schism, just as you should learn about the Reformation. China and India alone contain a third of the population of the world...and the vast majority of Westerners are extremely ignorant of their history. Considering that in the near future, by sheer force of numbers, the East is going to have a much bigger impact on us than we on them, it seems short-sighted to focus only on European history.

Once again, I refer to the fact that in the past 100 years, those civilizations have completely changed. Meaning that China will probably never return to fervent Isolationism/Imperialism, meaning those two ideologies (the two most prevelent among historical asian cultures) will probably never again affect the world. Also, you aren't trying to teach 6th graders about the rise of islamic fundamentalism, you are trying to teach them why the "Whole World" is the way it is today. Point being, children in school are supposed to get a good grasp, not a focus; that's what college is for.

Europe has only recently (in the last 500 years) been a global force. That is not always going to be the case. Their influence was do to a rapid, and bloody expansion (as is usually the case throughout history), but that influence is waning as their expansionist tendencies have slowed, or been curbed by pressure from the East. Yes, China has been extremely isolationist...but historically, China has been a great assimilator. When the Mongols invaded, they did not crush Chinese civilization...they stayed, intermarried, and were absorbed. In the long run, this ability to absorb outside influence and make it more "Chinese" (communism was adopted on their own terms...they are nothing like the Soviets were). The Japanese share this trait...they are masters at inovating and taking Western ideas and making them their own.

Actually, Europe itself has been a global force for about 1500 years now, but beyond that, you have to consider Rome, Alexandria (conquered MUCH of asia), and greece, which were global forces as far back as 3000 years ago. Also, zoroastrianism (a western religion, and the first modern religion), is almost directly responsible for the formation of most of the mythical eastern religions. However, not to veer from the conversation at hand, western culture has been a global FORCE for thousands of years, but a global civilization didn't exist until about ~300-500 years ago. So whereas I can see where you would get your opinion on this subject, I think that maybe you should consider the possibility that not all possibilities are known to you.

My point is that despite the small blip of European influence in the grand scheme of things, it does not justify clinging to the outdated belief that European history is SUPERIOR. Yeah, I get your point...I just don't think it's that important.[/QUOTE]

I do think that the white supremists do get alittle out of hand, but I do agree with the fact that the white race is getting the shaft. Just because the majority of whites can do for themselves why should we always be looking out for those who won't. For example Blacks want reparations, mexicans want free health care because they came to america illegally, muslims want to be in the U. S. A. and take advantage of all the freedoms but then they bash americans. What the hell. I think that to be in our free country you should have to support our free country. If you don't then you should get a free one way ticket back to your oppressive shitty third world country you came from. You sure as hell don't think that those countries give a shit about your freedom, and they sure as hell won't pay you extra because you speak the native tounge!!!(no habla!?) COME TO AMERICA, WORK HARD, PAY YOUR DUES, TAXES, BE THANKFUL THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T RAPE AND KILL YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER, AND DAMMIT SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!

All I have to say to you is:

Callate tonto.

Please actually read my posts before spouting silly stuff like this. When did I become a hater of whites? I'm taking about white supremists and their racism. I am indifferent to your race...I'm more interested in you as a person. But not you personally:) hehehehe...sorry...long day i was simply attempting to apologize for the mistakes some of my race have made... although they were not the only ones to do so... i dont want to get into that too... i got go anyway.

edit:why am i apologizing for them... i didnt do it... no one i know did it... and as a closing statement i hate them too.

For the sake of brevity, I replied to specific parts of your post, and no, I didn't miss the point, re: "Western nations have shaped the present world more so than Eastern ones". Blah. You also said that children are taught about Egypt and Asia, as though that study is in-depth instead of insultingly surface (my reference to China and India was meant to point out that you can hardly call a brief introduction to two countries of a continent a study of Asia as a whole).

Ok, sure, I guess teaching them more about Asia could help them, but covering India pretty much covers all of south-central asia, because that is where the culture there came from, and covering china is covering most of mainland and island asia, because, as you say below, china assimilated and changed a good number of asian cultures.

Yes, learning about Europe in particular gives you a good background if you want to understand the state of things today. They were rabidly expansionist and therefore European ideas have spread much more rapidly. However, only studying Europe in depth gives you a very slanted perspective of things. To understand the rise of Islamic fundamentalism for example, you need to understand the history of Islam and the schism, just as you should learn about the Reformation. China and India alone contain a third of the population of the world...and the vast majority of Westerners are extremely ignorant of their history. Considering that in the near future, by sheer force of numbers, the East is going to have a much bigger impact on us than we on them, it seems short-sighted to focus only on European history.

Once again, I refer to the fact that in the past 100 years, those civilizations have completely changed. Meaning that China will probably never return to fervent Isolationism/Imperialism, meaning those two ideologies (the two most prevelent among historical asian cultures) will probably never again affect the world. Also, you aren't trying to teach 6th graders about the rise of islamic fundamentalism, you are trying to teach them why the "Whole World" is the way it is today. Point being, children in school are supposed to get a good grasp, not a focus; that's what college is for.

Europe has only recently (in the last 500 years) been a global force. That is not always going to be the case. Their influence was do to a rapid, and bloody expansion (as is usually the case throughout history), but that influence is waning as their expansionist tendencies have slowed, or been curbed by pressure from the East. Yes, China has been extremely isolationist...but historically, China has been a great assimilator. When the Mongols invaded, they did not crush Chinese civilization...they stayed, intermarried, and were absorbed. In the long run, this ability to absorb outside influence and make it more "Chinese" (communism was adopted on their own terms...they are nothing like the Soviets were). The Japanese share this trait...they are masters at inovating and taking Western ideas and making them their own.

Actually, Europe itself has been a global force for about 1500 years now, but beyond that, you have to consider Rome, Alexandria (conquered MUCH of asia), and greece, which were global forces as far back as 3000 years ago. Also, zoroastrianism (a western religion, and the first modern religion), is almost directly responsible for the formation of most of the mythical eastern religions. However, not to veer from the conversation at hand, western culture has been a global FORCE for thousands of years, but a global civilization didn't exist until about ~300-500 years ago. So whereas I can see where you would get your opinion on this subject, I think that maybe you should consider the possibility that not all possibilities are known to you.

My point is that despite the small blip of European influence in the grand scheme of things, it does not justify clinging to the outdated belief that European history is SUPERIOR. Yeah, I get your point...I just don't think it's that important.

Well, yeah, that's pretty apparent, but once again, this is not about labeling one better than the other. You yourself admitted that Europe has had more of an effect on the rest of the world than any other set of cultures, but that it doesn't make them better. As I am so unrelentingly trying to point out, better doesn't even enter in to it, as much as important does. All I'm trying to say is, that if they learned about Asian culture, they will have only learned about Asian culture (not to imply any lesser degree of interest, just influence), whereas learning about western culture contributes to interest in every culture, because western culture has had a major influence on every culture.

Ok, true but even now we don't have all the information from that, but, all the same that is an excellent point. My question to you is: If we have access to all that why don't we learn about it? I was simply thinking out loud, and I am thinking of more modern history than the hieroglyphs. All I am saying is based on the history I have learned of, almost everything is from European view, in fact I have learned more of other races and countrys from games which of course can't always be trusted but the information on Age Of Empires 2: Age Of Kings regarding the Aztecs I believe to be accurate-but even there they included the raids of Cortes.(But, thats a pretty major incident for them anyway... considering he defeated them and all)

Assuming you are not in college yet, wait till you are in college and then take some courses dealing with other cultures. Western culture is taught because it is more all-encompassing than any other culture. Once again, better? No. More broad-sweeping? yes. Also, if you are learning other cultures from games, chances are you aren't paying enough attention to learning, and paying too much attention to games.

I've gotta go, but just one more thing:

Talking about Rome and so on and so forth...well we don't exactly learn about Rome either. We did Greek mythology in Grade 6 (Alberta, Canada), but the new curriculum does not even address that....it is much more Canada focussed. (boring........) If you look at the Social Studies curriculum, it is really very open to talking about other cultures and histories...it is the general ideas (things like expanionism, isolationism and other isms....) that is most important, and specific histories are used to illustrate these concepts. Europe has been used almost exclusively for these illustrations because the original colonists to North America were of European decent. Now that is no longer the case, and it makes more sense to diversify the examples to appeal to a wider demographic. My question is, why is that NOT being done? Like I said, we've revised our curriculum here after 25 years, and instead of becoming MORE global, it has become LESS. It drives me nuts.

I have a pretty good grasp of global history, and we could discuss it for days. However, I did not get that grasp until I slapped down cash for a University education, so I feel that the public system has failed me...and failed those who can't AFFORD to get a wider perspective. So let's not argue about who got who's point.

Assuming you are not in college yet, wait till you are in college and then take some courses dealing with other cultures. Western culture is taught because it is more all-encompassing than any other culture. Once again, better? No. More broad-sweeping? yes. Also, if you are learning other cultures from games, chances are you aren't paying enough attention to learning, and paying too much attention to games.

sorry for interrupting. more all-encompassing of what?

Gee, how to put this...I guess I despise them because, oh I don't know...I'M NOT WHITE!!! If one more person compliments me on my fair skin and says, "Hey lady, you can pass as white," I swear I'm going to stick feathers in my hair and smear war paint all over my face. Don't you get it? I'm NOT WHITE...I DON'T CARE if it makes you feel better to think of me as white. I mean, no one walks up to a tanned Caucasian and say, "Hey, isn't it great you can pass as an Indian?" Okay...that's not white supremacy, that's just stupid people. Here is why I can't stand white supremists:

*They can't stop talking about Jews. How boring. I mean, do you really expect us to believe that the Jewish people are behind every bad thing that has every happened? Is it their fault you are a stupid moron? Maybe the Jews made you eat lead paint.

* Their music sucks. Personal opinion. I just can't stand that racist thrash metal crap. Of course, if they were playing racist polkas, I'd probably hate that too.

* Many white supremists try to come off as "moderate" or friends of the "coloured races", by teaching them how racial mixing will destroy the purity of ALL races by turning us into a sludge of brown mutts. Oh no. The gene for red hair will die out, and freckles will disappear. We'll all have Asian eyes, Black butts, Native hair and so on....hey...have you ever SEEN Brazilians? A hotter bunch of mixed race people there are not! Besides...I don't see it happening. People are always going to be more comfortable marrying within their culture. Don't worry, Nazi boys and girls....there will still be pasty skinned hotties for you to smooch.

* This list could go on and on and on...what's YOUR opinion?
Brazillians... don't ge tbe started on those. They ruined all the MMORPGS in the world, and they have more hackers than anyone.
But the above was just a joke
Another reason to hate white supremacists: they have no idea what they're talking about. Jews are white. KKK has NOTHING to do with Hitler. The aryan race is Germans, and large majority of the supremists aren't german.

There are two ways to look at color/race

A race
B color

Race, means there are legally some differences between them. This allows for racial profiling, etc
Color means a black guy is just a really really tanned white guy, etc.

sorry for interrupting. more all-encompassing of what?
No, that's fine, it's a perfectly valid question, and though it is one that I addressed in one of my excessively long responses to Sinuhue, I'll go ahead and restate.

Western culture has had more of an effect on the rest of the world than any other culture. The eastern cultures have, traditionally, been very isolationist, meaning that they affect almost nobody. The American cultures, pre-invasion, were basically warring states and, since they were cut off from the rest of the world and upon their discovery, almost wiped out, affected very little. African cultures were generally the same way, Tribal. As Sinuhue stated, there were many, many very interesting african cultures over the years, but they had very little effect on the rest of the world. To look at it in this way, Norse cultures also had very little effect on anyone except europe and, apart from being the first to discover america, did very little relationally except rape and burn. Notice that you also don't learn about the norse very much in school.

I've gotta go, but just one more thing:

Talking about Rome and so on and so forth...well we don't exactly learn about Rome either. We did Greek mythology in Grade 6 (Alberta, Canada), but the new curriculum does not even address that....it is much more Canada focussed. (boring........) If you look at the Social Studies curriculum, it is really very open to talking about other cultures and histories...it is the general ideas (things like expanionism, isolationism and other isms....) that is most important, and specific histories are used to illustrate these concepts. Europe has been used almost exclusively for these illustrations because the original colonists to North America were of European decent. Now that is no longer the case, and it makes more sense to diversify the examples to appeal to a wider demographic. My question is, why is that NOT being done? Like I said, we've revised our curriculum here after 25 years, and instead of becoming MORE global, it has become LESS. It drives me nuts.

I have a pretty good grasp of global history, and we could discuss it for days. However, I did not get that grasp until I slapped down cash for a University education, so I feel that the public system has failed me...and failed those who can't AFFORD to get a wider perspective. So let's not argue about who got who's point.

the obvious question that arises out of that is: Do people who can't afford, and never will be able to afford this perspective ever really affect anyone on a global or long-term scale?

I used to work at this ladies home and her boyfriend was the sterotyped neo-nazi skinhead, so were all of his friends. They were pretty ignorant I think. They'd complain about the Jews and then watch their favorite Adam Sandler movie, which I think was Bulletproof, for the 15th time.

As far as the mixed race thing goes, my girlfriend always tells me how cute our little "hash brown" babies are going to be. Sure, her parents aren't too happy with her being with a white guy, but oh well. I guess every race has their supremacy, it's just that the white people organized their own. Organized hate *shivers at the thought*

No, that's fine, it's a perfectly valid question, and though it is one that I addressed in one of my excessively long responses to Sinuhue, I'll go ahead and restate.

Western culture has had more of an effect on the rest of the world than any other culture. The eastern cultures have, traditionally, been very isolationist, meaning that they affect almost nobody. The American cultures, pre-invasion, were basically warring states and, since they were cut off from the rest of the world and upon their discovery, almost wiped out, affected very little. African cultures were generally the same way, Tribal. As Sinuhue stated, there were many, many very interesting african cultures over the years, but they had very little effect on the rest of the world. To look at it in this way, Norse cultures also had very little effect on anyone except europe and, apart from being the first to discover america, did very little relationally except rape and burn. Notice that you also don't learn about the norse very much in school.

i must reiterate.
the vikings traded much more then they pillaged, raped and burned. in fact, this is the entire problem with a flawed education system: you learn from movies, tv or whatever. being a norseman myself - naturally i did learn this at school.

but - i don't necessarily disagree with your point. in fact i find it very interesting as i myself went to school and university in three different countries in europe - and i find the european school systems too amerocentric - but i won't dispute that at the moment it is probably the nation that defines the world the most - and therefore, amerocentric learning is a 'need-to-know' kinda thing.

i must reiterate.
the vikings traded much more then they pillaged, raped and burned. in fact, this is the entire problem with a flawed education system: you learn from movies, tv or whatever. being a norseman myself - naturally i did learn this at school.

I wasn't insulting vikings... I myself am of nordic origin, but all I meant was that the nordic relationship to the rest of western civilization was not as much cultural as warring.

but - i don't necessarily disagree with your point. in fact i find it very interesting as i myself went to school and university in three different countries in europe - and i find the european school systems too amerocentric - but i won't dispute that at the moment it is probably the nation that defines the world the most - and therefore, amerocentric learning is a 'need-to-know' kinda thing.

Exactly. When starting to teach someone who desires a basic grasp of physics, you don't teach them about sub-atomic particle interactions causing a reversed atomic spin, you teach them about gravity and what-not. In the same way, you don't teach someone trying to get a general feel for todays world by teaching them islamic history, you teach them something more relavent.

I wasn't insulting vikings... I myself am of nordic origin, but all I meant was that the nordic relationship to the rest of western civilization was not as much cultural as warring.



Exactly. When starting to teach someone who desires a basic grasp of physics, you don't teach them about sub-atomic particle interactions causing a reversed atomic spin, you teach them about gravity and what-not. In the same way, you don't teach someone trying to get a general feel for todays world by teaching them islamic history, you teach them something more relavent.

though i would think that being taught islamic history today is almost vital to the future human existence.

The gene for red hair will die out, and freckles will disappear. [/QUOTE]

Actually, freckles is a dominant trait. Which is strange though, because I never see anyone with freckles.

Hmmm. I wonder what race you used in your college application - if you've yet been to college that is, perhaps you're 12, or maybe not smart enough.

Actually, a lot of what you write comes across as phony. White people in the US would never compliment a woman who is light-skinned, obviously mixed-race, for being nearly white, or for being able to pass as white. The whole system is too politically-correct for that to ever happen any more. Whites are too scared of the liberal thought-police to even consider doing something like that.

Maybe some black people would think its a good thing and might mention it - after all, attractive light skinned "black" women tend to be in demand. Check out MTV and see how many girls dancing in the background of a rap or hip hop video look like that.

As a fascist, I can assure you I certainly wouldn't compliment you for being nearly white. I would look at you and think what a shame that your parents, or grandparents, or whover, screwed up 40,000 years of evolution to produce a mutt.

As for jews, well, do I really need to list how many newspapers are owned by Jews? How much influence they have in the media in general? How many CEO's are Jews? They are 3% of the population but exert far more influence over American media and corporate culture than that percentage suggests.

And would America involve itself in a crazy war in Iraq if the Jewish neocons in the Bush administration weren't so concerned about protecting Israel at all costs? Probably not. Jews have a problem with dual loyalties. They may well genuinely love America - some of them that is - but they also love Israel.

The Brazilian analogy - yes, there are some beautiful Brazilian girls out there of mixed race. These are the ones you see on TV. These are the ones you are referring to. But for every mixed race light skinned Brazilian girl who is attractive there are a dozen for whom nature has not been too kind. The ones who never appear on TV. The ugly mutts.
Where did you get the 1/12 hot:ugly brazillian ratio? Did you just pull it out of air? As for jews, just because we have generally been more successful, doens't give you the right to think we don't deserve it. The system is very politically correct. In fact it is a slight tab towards too politically correct. Also I am pretty sure she put black on her application: she just claimed she is black, didn't she? Finally, get your facts together. Jews generally support democrats, not republicans.

though i would think that being taught islamic history today is almost vital to the future human existence.

and by no means would you be wrong... but the people that are going to be responsible for the continuation of knowledge in the human race are, indeed, learning said history, and therefore the necessity is fulfilled. Who cares if some John Doe knows, he's a metal worker (or whatever, you get the drift) and will probably never end up a) having to worry about islamic fundamentalists, unless of course he's killed by one, or b) giving any dissertations on islamic culture.

and by no means would you be wrong... but the people that are going to be responsible for the continuation of knowledge in the human race are, indeed, learning said history, and therefore the necessity is fulfilled. Who cares if some John Doe knows, he's a metal worker (or whatever, you get the drift) and will probably never end up a) having to worry about islamic fundamentalists, unless of course he's killed by one, or b) giving any dissertations on islamic culture.

but john doe still has a vote. and john doe should still base that vote on an informed decission. and i don't want john doe to worry about islamic fundamentalists, i want john doe to understant there is such a thing as muslims that are not fundamentalists, and that in fact the muslim world - in particular the arabic nations - sits on thousands of years of some extraordinary culture and history. maybe this could help eliminate some of the hatred?

Nope. I can appreciate the often political message of many (skinhead or fuzzy headed) punk bands. Nazi metal however...yikes...examples? Well my baby won't give me enough time to google it, but I did see an A&E special on Nazi thrash trash.... and the songs in American X are real songs....it's out there, I've heard it on occasion, and that's as far into it as I want to go.

Most fo the thrash metal bands I know of are more on the other extreme of the political spectrum... liberal bordering on socialist. After all, it is a genre that originated in San Francisco.

I've heard of nazi punk bands (very rare compared to leftist punk bands) and nazi black metal (no, "black metal" does not refer to black people, it is just the name of the genre for some strange reason), but those bands usually suck.

but john doe still has a vote. and john doe should still base that vote on an informed decission. and i don't want john doe to worry about islamic fundamentalists, i want john doe to understant there is such a thing as muslims that are not fundamentalists, and that in fact the muslim world - in particular the arabic nations - sits on thousands of years of some extraordinary culture and history. maybe this could help eliminate some of the hatred? Besides which, even if John didn't have a vote, islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. It's good to learn about why you are where you are, and try to work out where you're going.

but john doe still has a vote. and john doe should still base that vote on an informed decission. and i don't want john doe to worry about islamic fundamentalists, i want john doe to understant there is such a thing as muslims that are not fundamentalists, and that in fact the muslim world - in particular the arabic nations - sits on thousands of years of some extraordinary culture and history. maybe this could help eliminate some of the hatred?

lol, yeah, that could definitely help... though the chances are that the vast majority will just end up hating something else instead

the obvious question that arises out of that is: Do people who can't afford, and never will be able to afford this perspective ever really affect anyone on a global or long-term scale?

Which political leader was it that said, "Africa, one country, many cultures"? It's scary, but many of our leaders are as ignorant about the world as a bum in the alley.

lol, yeah, that could definitely help... though the chances are that the vast majority will just end up hating something else instead

i second that

Which political leader was it that said, "Africa, one country, many cultures"? It's scary, but many of our leaders are as ignorant about the world as a bum in the alley.
The curse of me and my nation is that we always think things can be bettered by immediate action of some sort, any sort rather than no sort. - Plato

*puts on some Rush* My view on White Supremists, or any Supremists is this: It's ok to be proud of your heritage and proud of your religon, and to express your views on why you think your heritage/religon is best, It's not ok to express these views in a mannor that is intended to hurt or degrade a person or group that differs from yours.

All people (to be more specific, people who hate others because of their religon, race, ethnicity, et cetera) need to realize something. It isn't about whose more 'superior' to another, but about equality, or rather, lack there of.

What do I mean? Think about this: let's say that everyone on this planet is
'equal'; everyone is born with the same rights and privileges as the next person. Everyone is treated the same, no exceptions. Now, if that were the case, we'd all know the same things, work the same jobs, and in essence, just be the same people w/ different packaging.

That right there is true equality. But that is an impossibilty, because we all posess different skills and attributes that make 'equality' impossible. Everyone learns at a different pace, everyone performs at a different rate. Allow me to pose a question that puts this theory in motion: Who would you rather perform a surgical procedure on you, a trained surgeon who went to school to learn his or her profession, or a janitor? I personally would rather have the surgeon perform the said procedure on me, but to each their own.

That's what make us who we are. Every society in every land has their medical professionals and their custodial professionals. Each group is important to maintaining society. W/o medical professionals, people who need medical attention would get sicker and die, and w/o janitors most places would be filthy and unsanitary, thus making the need for the medical professionals that much more important.

But the point I'm trying to make here is that nobody is the same, and thus, not equal. And for people to dislike others because of differences in religon or race is wrong. People who kill or hurt others because of differences like this are ignorant to the fact that we are who we are. We are all different, no matter what the situation is. Every race and religon has their medical professionals and their own janitors. No race or religon is 'perfect'. No race or religon is better. No race or religon is 'supreme' to another.

Hmmm. I wonder what race you used in your college application - if you've yet been to college that is, perhaps you're 12, or maybe not smart enough.
Oh that doesn't come across as racist at all (sarcasm dripping, pooling)...your pathetic assumptions about my education. I attended University, have a BEd and an LLB, and I didn't mention race in the application, because it is a voluntary descriptor, and it isn't any of their damn business. How about you?

Actually, a lot of what you write comes across as phony. White people in the US would never compliment a woman who is light-skinned, obviously mixed-race, for being nearly white, or for being able to pass as white. The whole system is too politically-correct for that to ever happen any more. Whites are too scared of the liberal thought-police to even consider doing something like that.

You obviously haven't been reading...I'm Canadian, and perhaps we're a little less PC here. The comment has been made several times, usually while telling racist Native jokes...but with the caveat that, "We don't mean you, because you're only half Indian, and you're not an alcoholic." And if your complaints about the system being so PC are based on a frustrated desire to return to the good old days where racist jokes were acceptable, and lynchings were weekend sport, sorry to rain on your parade, but I'm happy for it.

Maybe some black people would think its a good thing and might mention it - after all, attractive light skinned "black" women tend to be in demand. Check out MTV and see how many girls dancing in the background of a rap or hip hop video look like that.

Gee, why is that do you think? Could it be for the same reason that the same small group of Latino actors play all the Hispanic roles in movies? Or that Asians are severely underepresented in the media? Could it be...gosh...the fact that the media elite are still mostly white? Nonetheless, I have no desire...nor need to "pass" as white, thanks.

As a fascist, I can assure you I certainly wouldn't compliment you for being nearly white. I would look at you and think what a shame that your parents, or grandparents, or whover, screwed up 40,000 years of evolution to produce a mutt.

Hahahahahahhahaahhaaaaaa. I wonder how many niggers are in your woodpile.

As for jews, well, do I really need to list how many newspapers are owned by Jews? How much influence they have in the media in general? How many CEO's are Jews? They are 3% of the population but exert far more influence over American media and corporate culture than that percentage suggests.

Jewish obsession. Check. Overt racism. Check. Proud of being a facist. Check. Yup, you are who this thread is about.


The Brazilian analogy - yes, there are some beautiful Brazilian girls out there of mixed race. These are the ones you see on TV. These are the ones you are referring to. But for every mixed race light skinned Brazilian girl who is attractive there are a dozen for whom nature has not been too kind. The ones who never appear on TV. The ugly mutts.

I'm sure you're a REAL looker yourself, oh pure one. Now tell me...in which magazines can I see your image???? None???? Too muttish? Awwwww. Look where your genes have got you.

Also I am pretty sure she put black on her application: she just claimed she is black, didn't she? Finally, get your facts together. Jews generally support democrats, not republicans.


Seriously people! Doesn't anyone actually go through the posts first? I'm not black! I'm Cree/Irish! That's Native/white, and I'm from Canadaaaaaaaa.

Awwww, did I hurt your feelings, mutt ;)
all I hear is "blah blah blah, I had sex with Mussolini"

Awwww, did I hurt your feelings, mutt ;)

:cool:
You're entitled to your opinion. Don't worry, I didn't plan on breeding with you anyway, so I'm not saddened by your disregard. You didn't answer my question though...are you CERTAIN you're pure....I mean...would you open up those veins of yours if you found out they were tainted?

Seriously people! Doesn't anyone actually go through the posts first? I'm not black! I'm Cree/Irish! That's Native/white, and I'm from Canadaaaaaaaa.

i did. yeah to canada- and i'm sure you're beautiful.

:cool:
You're entitled to your opinion. Don't worry, I didn't plan on breeding with you anyway, so I'm not saddened by your disregard. You didn't answer my question though...are you CERTAIN you're pure....I mean...would you open up those veins of yours if you found out they were tainted?
as an anthropology minor, I can guarantee you that he/she/whatever is not full-blooded ANYTHING. you'd have to be African or Aboriginal for that to happen.

as an anthropology minor, I can guarantee you that he/she/whatever is not full-blooded ANYTHING. you'd have to be African or Aboriginal for that to happen.

Uh-oh...did you read that? What now? How can you get rid of your own impurities? I think you'd better just give in and marry a beautiful Jewish woman and have cute little mutts of your own.

as an anthropology minor, I can guarantee you that he/she/whatever is not full-blooded ANYTHING. you'd have to be African or Aboriginal for that to happen.

i would also question african and aboriginal purity ......

all I hear is "blah blah blah, I had sex with Mussolini"

That's disturbing! At least it's better than getting sexed up by the one nut wonder that is Adolph $hitler.

i would also question african and aboriginal purity ......

I didn't mean all africans, just regions in, say... the congo or deep jungle, there are still tribes there unknown to civilization. The same would be true for aborigines, but not jungle.

Probably the last person who did that would be the gorgeous Clara Petacci, his mistress. The partisans raped her, murdered her, and strung her up and her body was beaten and abused for some time after.

Poor girl! But in war the victors do whatever they want. Spoils of war etc. Or just petty revenge.

*sigh*

I didn't mean all africans, just regions in, say... the congo or deep jungle, there are still tribes there unknown to civilization. The same would be true for aborigines, but not jungle.

unfortunately, seemingly most aboriginies seem to be stuck living in projects where unemployment rates and drug abuse is through the roof. why? cause white people fucked them over. guess that is a way to keep purity.........

unfortunately, seemingly most aboriginies seem to be stuck living in projects where unemployment rates and drug abuse is through the roof. why? cause white people fucked them over. guess that is a way to keep purity.........

lol, good call

Uh-oh...did you read that? What now? How can you get rid of your own impurities? I think you'd better just give in and marry a beautiful Jewish woman and have cute little mutts of your own.

Judaism is a RELIGON, not a RACE! I myself am a Ukrainian Cossack Jewish Atheist (I don't believe in God, but my religon growing up was Judaism), so does that make me a Jew? I'm a converted Atheist, but does that still make me Jewish? No! You can change your religon, but you can't change your ethnicity or race.

If you want to be taken seriously you should clarify yourself better in your posters. As far as I recall you didn't state therein that you were Canadian. And the way you wrote the post - the language you used to express your feelings suggested to me someone who was young and emotional. Very, very immature stuff. But look on the bright side: you'll improve!

here's a synopsis of this post. "I'm much better than you, but you can still aspire to be like me! Also, I don't know the correct term to describe a 'posted entry'"

Judaism is a RELIGON, not a RACE! I myself am a Ukrainian Cossack Jewish Atheist (I don't believe in God, but my religon growing up was Judaism), so does that make me a Jew? I'm a converted Atheist, but does that still make me Jewish? No! You can change your religon, but you can't change your ethnicity or race.

... there are two definitions of Judaism. One is the race, one is the religion. They are mutually independent, and mean completely different things. Get it right.

... there are two definitions of Judaism. One is the race, one is the religion. They are mutually independent, and mean completely different things. Get it right.

beat me to it

Those who are true Israelites can be considered their own race, yes. But I'm talking about generalizing all Jews as being their own race. That in itself is not correct. There are a lot of people who convert (my family, back in the day, for example) but are considered being part of the Jewish race.

And when I say true Israelite, I mean a person who is from or born from people who can trace their lineage to the Israeli region.

Those who are true Israelites can be considered their own race, yes. But I'm talking about generalizing all Jews as being their own race. That in itself is not correct. There are a lot of people who convert (my family, back in the day, for example) but are considered being part of the Jewish race.

you don't want all jews generalised as their own race, but your family who converted is part of the jewish race - and this seems very important to you. there is no offense intended, i am just unclear about what you are trying to say.......

You should take a look at Barry Manilow, Barbara Streisand, and Steven Spielberg and then tell me that there's not such a thing as a commonality of certain physical features there that do suggest that for all the inter-breeding that has occurred over the centuries the Jewish gene doesn't still predominate.

Being a Jew isn't just about a religion. If that were the case, Jews wouldn't be so concerned about how Jews in the US are increasingly marrying "out of the race". They say there will soon be no Jews left, give low reproduction rates among all but hassidic Jews.

Jews are not correct in describing themselves as a specific race. But many of them certainly feel they are.

... The jewish gene.... Incredible.

I'm convinced you are autistic.

LOL, none taken. What I'm trying to say is that there are Jewish people who are born into the religon that can trace their lineage to Israel. They can be considered part of the Jewish 'race'. The other group of Jewish people consists of people who are born into the religon, but aren't of Israeli lineage (such as people who have family convert to Judaism for example.) I consider myself 100% Ukrainian, and not Jewish. Not to say I'm ashamed of the Jewish faith, I'm just not a believer in God or of any religon being better than another.

... The jewish gene.... Incredible.

I'm convinced you are autistic.

I can think he's a bit more than autistic. But that's another shot of gorilka for another day.

You should take a look at Barry Manilow, Barbara Streisand, and Steven Spielberg and then tell me that there's not such a thing as a commonality of certain physical features there that do suggest that for all the inter-breeding that has occurred over the centuries the Jewish gene doesn't still predominate.

Being a Jew isn't just about a religion. If that were the case, Jews wouldn't be so concerned about how Jews in the US are increasingly marrying "out of the race". They say there will soon be no Jews left, give low reproduction rates among all but hassidic Jews.

Jews are not correct in describing themselves as a specific race. But many of them certainly feel they are.

The Nazi's described themselves as a specific race, but they sure as hell weren't. And to further clarify things, most Orthodox Jews consider themselves to be of their own race. At least the ones I know. Then again, I've been out an Atheist for a few years now, and I'm not a theological scholar.

Personally white supremacists donn't really upset me that much. They talk shit, true, but no one takes them seriously.

It's "native American" Indians that piss me off:

* First of all, too many of them preach their own "eco-consciousness" like they're some sort of magical people. Like being primitive and ignorant is something to aspire to. Like hunting buffalo with pointy sticks and short bows was some sort of "golden age" for them. Like you can ever catch one walking more than a block before getting in his brand-new Lexus.

* That's another thing. These people are supposed to be sooo poor. What's with all the casinos and tax-free liquor stores and smoke shops and all this "tribal sovereignty" guff? Why is every attempt to "raise Indians out of their poverty" end up being a tax scam involving the Mafia?

* Which raises yet another point. Since when do Indians have dark brown skin and kinky hair? Or "Italian-American" accents, for want of a better term? Why is it that the Sicilian "Indians" that run the Mohegan Sun make their employees watch a film wherein they bitch about the book "Last of the Mohegans"?

Indians? Bah. Don't get me started.

You forget one little detail... Take the biggest telltale of being Jewish, the big nose. It's not a Jewish thing, it's more of a Slovakian thing. If you want to be more precise, it's more of a Polish thing. So most Jewish people who have the big nose are probably of Polish/Slovak desent.

LOL, none taken. What I'm trying to say is that there are Jewish people who are born into the religon that can trace their lineage to Israel. They can be considered part of the Jewish 'race'. The other group of Jewish people consists of people who are born into the religon, but aren't of Israeli lineage (such as people who have family convert to Judaism for example.) I consider myself 100% Ukrainian, and not Jewish. Not to say I'm ashamed of the Jewish faith, I'm just not a believer in God or of any religon being better than another.

i get it: you are ukranian. not an israelite. and not really jewish.
so as an atheist myself, i always wonder about this, and this is a feature i have most often observed in jewish people and catholics but sometimes also in muslims: even when they no longer believe (or sometimes have never believed) in that faith, they still consider themselves jewish or catholic. i can to a certain extent understand it in judaism, for historical reasons, but i could never think of myself as a protestant, and i don't really understand it. and, frankly. you seem to be borderline about it - not sure whether you are jewish or not. true?

Of course, we should probably mention the organizations like the Black Panthers too, ya know. Just so we are all clear that it isn't just white people that are supremacists sometimes.
Its a very common misconception that the Panthers as an organization are black supremacists. Black power yes, but racist no. There's a big difference. I'm sure there probably were some racists in the organization, but as a whole they strove mostly for self-reliance and protection against police coming into their neighborhoods and beating their children to death for having lots of melanin. Black power is a commonly misconstrued term. It doesn't mean "black people are superior" it means black people should be proud of themselves and their heritage. I for one, find racists of any kind extremely distateful, and feel that most of their hatred stems from fear and ignorance. I think that the UN should start a country just for white supremacists, and put it in Antarctica. That way they can have fun drawing swastikas and freezing their nuts off, without bothering anybody else.

Oh boy, another child to have to debate.

Here we go: Certain physical characteristics are specific to a particular race or a subdivision of that race. Jews have genes that they pass on in the same way as someone from Norway might pass on blond hair and blue eyes to his children. If a person of predominantly Jewish origin married another such person then their children may well have characteristics of a Semitic people. Is it that hard to understand? ;)

hey. i so don't have blond hair and blue eyes. again with the generalisations!

Gee, how to put this...I guess I despise them because, oh I don't know...I'M NOT WHITE!!! If one more person compliments me on my fair skin and says, "Hey lady, you can pass as white," I swear I'm going to stick feathers in my hair and smear war paint all over my face. Don't you get it? I'm NOT WHITE...I DON'T CARE if it makes you feel better to think of me as white. I mean, no one walks up to a tanned Caucasian and say, "Hey, isn't it great you can pass as an Indian?" Okay...that's not white supremacy, that's just stupid people.

Agreed, that is stupid. Why would you WANT to "pass as white", anyway?

Besides...if you're as white as I am, it is NO fun. This means you cannot be outdoors on a sunny day for more than 30 minutes without any exposed skin being roasted. And it doesn't tan, either. It just burns AGAIN. Which sucks. ;-)

They can't stop talking about Jews. How boring. I mean, do you really expect us to believe that the Jewish people are behind every bad thing that has every happened? Is it their fault you are a stupid moron? Maybe the Jews made you eat lead paint.

Absolutely stupid.

And if Christianity is somehow the "reason" for this, I suggest remembering something. If it's the death of Christ that upsets you, remember that since we are all sinners, we are ALL therefore responsible for the death of Christ. If we had not been sinners, He would not have had to lay down His life for those sins. We should all look to OURSELVES, and the things that WE make wrong in this world--not sit there and try to put the blame on others.

If it's envy of some Jewish people who have had great success, that just proves that the supremacists are insecure and not to mention seriously lazy, if all they can do is sit and whine about others' success without ever bothering to improve themselves (like getting an education, for starters, or actually putting in an honest day's work).

Their music sucks. Personal opinion. I just can't stand that racist thrash metal crap. Of course, if they were playing racist polkas, I'd probably hate that too.

Not all metal is bad--but if it's racist I want NO part of it. I also don't like rap that espouses racism.

Besides, it's my personal opinion that the musical creativity award goes to African-Americans. In fact, almost every form of music we call "American", that has been really innovative, has come from African-Americans. Think jazz, rock, rap, blues, etc. This is not to discredit other races' creative abilities, because anyone from any race who has soul and musical talent can contribute something worthwhile...I'm just looking at major revolutions in music.

* Many white supremists try to come off as "moderate" or friends of the "coloured races", by teaching them how racial mixing will destroy the purity of ALL races by turning us into a sludge of brown mutts. Oh no. The gene for red hair will die out, and freckles will disappear. We'll all have Asian eyes, Black butts, Native hair and so on....hey...have you ever SEEN Brazilians? A hotter bunch of mixed race people there are not! Besides...I don't see it happening. People are always going to be more comfortable marrying within their culture. Don't worry, Nazi boys and girls....there will still be pasty skinned hotties for you to smooch.

Talk about stupid reasoning.

Besides, if for some reason mixing did occur to such a degree, I wouldn't mourn it for a second. It might even mean one less thing for us to fight about. No doubt we'd invent something else, but I LIKE the dream of laying the whole stupid race conflict to rest.

And, in a very personal bias, I do not find pallor attractive at all, when I'm considering how good-looking a guy is. Killing all non-whites, as supremacists want, would be tragic to me in that personal regard. And I damn well have every right to be attracted to people with darker skin than mine, which those idiots would deny me. Which is another reason I get angry--the fact that they would want to forbid me to marry a person I love, if that person were non-white. Which is just sick of the supremacists.

Oh boy, another child to have to debate.

Here we go: Certain physical characteristics are specific to a particular race or a subdivision of that race. Jews have genes that they pass on in the same way as someone from Norway might pass on blond hair and blue eyes to his children. If a person of predominantly Jewish origin married another such person then their children may well have characteristics of a Semitic people. Is it that hard to understand? ;)
yeah, but that's not what you said. The jewish gene. yeah, here's a freaking medal for being able to understand basic geneology.

The Jewish Gene. That one elusive bastard that we are trying to erase from the human gene pool.

Personally white supremacists donn't really upset me that much. They talk shit, true, but no one takes them seriously.

* That's another thing. These people are supposed to be sooo poor. What's with all the casinos and tax-free liquor stores and smoke shops and all this "tribal sovereignty" guff? Why is every attempt to "raise Indians out of their poverty" end up being a tax scam involving the Mafia?

Indians? Bah. Don't get me started.
Go to Pine Ridge reservation and tell me how rich those people are. Why do you support casinos by going to them if you don't like what they entail?

Its a very common misconception that the Panthers as an organization are black supremacists. Black power yes, but racist no. There's a big difference. I'm sure there probably were some racists in the organization, but as a whole they strove mostly for self-reliance and protection against police coming into their neighborhoods and beating their children to death for having lots of melanin. Black power is a commonly misconstrued term. It doesn't mean "black people are superior" it means black people should be proud of themselves and their heritage. I for one, find racists of any kind extremely distateful, and feel that most of their hatred stems from fear and ignorance. I think that the UN should start a country just for white supremacists, and put it in Antarctica. That way they can have fun drawing swastikas and freezing their nuts off, without bothering anybody else.

poor antarctica. they would probably mistreat the penguins.

As for jews, well, do I really need to list how many newspapers are owned by Jews? How much influence they have in the media in general? How many CEO's are Jews? They are 3% of the population but exert far more influence over American media and corporate culture than that percentage suggests.

And yet, the average Jew has nothing to do with this. Which is why all the racist rhetoric about "Jews controlling America" seems so odd and divorced from reality.

... We could also get into a discussion of "group identity" as opposed to individual identity (i.e., isn't it disengenuous to say, 'X newspapers are owned by Jews, X movie studios are owned by Jews', like the thing that really drives these guys' decisions is their JEWISHNESS, as opposed to, say, their profit margins? They're Jews, but firstly, they're businessmen. Media moguls. They care about making money), but I suppose we can leave that to one side. It should, however, be pointed out that Jews aren't a monolith.

And would America involve itself in a crazy war in Iraq if the Jewish neocons in the Bush administration weren't so concerned about protecting Israel at all costs? Probably not.

And, once again, the relation this has with your average Jew is...? How many American Jews do you think the NeoCons actually represent, percentage-wise? Hint: most Jews aren't conservative.

Jews have a problem with dual loyalties. They may well genuinely love America - some of them that is - but they also love Israel.

Can't you make similar claims of other ethnic groups? Don't many Irish people also love Ireland- as evidenced by the fact that the IRA is mainly funded by Irish-Americans?

for every mixed race light skinned Brazilian girl who is attractive there are a dozen for whom nature has not been too kind. The ones who never appear on TV. The ugly mutts.

And as we all know, there are no ugly white people in existence.

i get it: you are ukranian. not an israelite. and not really jewish.
so as an atheist myself, i always wonder about this, and this is a feature i have most often observed in jewish people and catholics but sometimes also in muslims: even when they no longer believe (or sometimes have never believed) in that faith, they still consider themselves jewish or catholic. i can to a certain extent understand it in judaism, for historical reasons, but i could never think of myself as a protestant, and i don't really understand it. and, frankly. you seem to be borderline about it - not sure whether you are jewish or not. true?

Very good question! No, I don't consider myself personally Jewish, but I acknowledge my Jewish upbringing. I'm a true Atheist. I don't take part in any Jewish customs or act in a matter that can be considered 'Jewish' any longer.

poor antarctica. they would probably mistreat the penguins.
thank god that you exist. Thank. God.

thank god that you exist. Thank. God.

whose god? ;) ;)

This is good. You stereotype American Indians but you're not a white supremacist. Sure...

Considering that blacks have exploited the welfare system and have been the beneficiaries of racial quotas for years, you forget all that just because you can't stand American Indians. A likely story if ever I heard one... TAlk about selective judgment...
The group that takes advantage of welfare the most, statistically, is white females. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU POST.

hey. i so don't have blond hair and blue eyes. again with the generalisations!

I'm short, brown haired and green eyed, and the last five generations of my family are all Ukrainian! And full-blooded Ukies, along with Russians, whose people are Scandinavian in origin, mind you, are your typical blond hair, blue eyed, and tall people.

whose god? ;) ;)
lol, doesn't matter

If you can't understand a simple sentence then that's not my fault is it?
oh, wait... that sentence where you said there was exactly one gene that made someone jewish? If you can't think, it's not my fault is it?

Personally white supremacists donn't really upset me that much. They talk shit, true, but no one takes them seriously.

It's "native American" Indians that piss me off:

* First of all, too many of them preach their own "eco-consciousness" like they're some sort of magical people. Like being primitive and ignorant is something to aspire to. Like hunting buffalo with pointy sticks and short bows was some sort of "golden age" for them. Like you can ever catch one walking more than a block before getting in his brand-new Lexus.

* That's another thing. These people are supposed to be sooo poor. What's with all the casinos and tax-free liquor stores and smoke shops and all this "tribal sovereignty" guff? Why is every attempt to "raise Indians out of their poverty" end up being a tax scam involving the Mafia?

* Which raises yet another point. Since when do Indians have dark brown skin and kinky hair? Or "Italian-American" accents, for want of a better term? Why is it that the Sicilian "Indians" that run the Mohegan Sun make their employees watch a film wherein they bitch about the book "Last of the Mohegans"?

Indians? Bah. Don't get me started.

My girlfriend's father is disappointed that she is not as traditional as he would like to be, while buying her a 2004 BMW 325i shortly after her birthday. The year before that he bought her bigger brother the 2003 model of the same car. Of course,he's taken the intiative to make something of himself, owning his own welding company and all.

I see the contradiction you speak of, but disagree with the generalizations.

Sure, they buy the expensive vehichles, but wouldn't you? You don't have any utility bills to pay because frankly, you don't have utilities. As long as you're on the reservation, you don't have to worry about taxes. From what I've noticed of my girlfriend's father, he enjoys living in a house with no running water or electricity. Rising and sleeping with the sun is his lifestlye.

They still want the lives we took away from them, but they figured why not rub our mistake in our faces with their luxury cars? Society has made it hard for them to live the way they really want to live.

There are a lot of poor Native American families that drive beat up used cars. They don't go in with the stereotypes because they would ruin the stereotype.

And with the casinos... they get them because it gives the government a way to tax them, and as far as I know, that's pretty much it.

That's the beauty of genetics. There are recessive and dominant genes. In some generations, the recessive genes are more prodominat, and in most the dominant genes show. And people who are of mixed race have different recessive and dominant genes than those who are 'pure'. So there!!

oh, wait... that sentence where you said there was exactly one gene that made someone jewish? If you can't think, it's not my fault is it?

well, aren't you to having the most constructive conversation at the moment. please, take a deep breath, don't eradicate your point with anything but suttle sarcasm.

The group that takes advantage of welfare the most, statistically, is white females. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU POST.

Exactly. I figured this one out living with my mom for 18 years.

Sure, sure. In your own mind. Don't you know that blacks are overwhelmingly more likely, proportionately, that is per-capita, to be on welfare than whites or Asians?

You probably don't because statistical analysis is difficult for you to understand.
good god. I stated a factual statistic. The statistic being that there are MORE white single mothers on welfare than ANY other group. Period. You are making your statistics up, I am getting mine from reliable sources.

yeah, pretty much i can tell people what race i'm from and they will believe me. . . . . One thing everyone should learn in this life is if you give evil people attention, they will like being evil. The only thing we can do is ignore all people that don't think we are all equal, maybe they will turn to people that are bored all day long and give the elderly some company :-D

Jesus Tapdancing Christ! We all need to calm down, whip out a few bottles of gorilka, down some borscht, and stop fighting! We're all different, and we all aren't equal, because there is no such thing as equality, so just live with it!

Neoconservatism is the philosophy of the Bush administration and its essentially a Jewish philosophy.

But NeoConservatives represent a tiny minority among American Jews. Blaming Jews as a group for what some Jewish idiots believe or do is nothing short of asinine, akin to blaming all Catholics for priest molestations.

Judaism is a RELIGON, not a RACE! I myself am a Ukrainian Cossack Jewish Atheist (I don't believe in God, but my religon growing up was Judaism), so does that make me a Jew? I'm a converted Atheist, but does that still make me Jewish? No! You can change your religon, but you can't change your ethnicity or race.

Technically, "Jewish" is a culture, which contains many members of similar ethnicity ("born Jews"), and the belief systems of which are generally lumped under the rubric of "Judaism".

Jewishness isn't a race, but it's more complex than merely religion. As evidenced by the fact that many people identify- and are IDENTIFIED- as secular Jews.

there are two definitions of Judaism. One is the race, one is the religion. They are mutually independent, and mean completely different things. Get it right.

No, Judaism refers specifically to belief systems and "religion". "Jewish" and "Jewishness" are where we get into the really sticky stuff. I should also point out that "race" is not really considered appropriate, as you can become a Jew. That's why I generally refer to it as a "culture" (although "people" can work, too, but generally carries too many strict genetic or biological implications).

You should take a look at Barry Manilow, Barbara Streisand, and Steven Spielberg and then tell me that there's not such a thing as a commonality of certain physical features

You picked three Jews whose families all come from the same geographic area. That's not a really honest representation of the variety existing within the "Jewish People".

Being a Jew isn't just about a religion. If that were the case, Jews wouldn't be so concerned about how Jews in the US are increasingly marrying "out of the race".

No, in fact the big concern is not that Jews are marrying non-Jews, but rather that this often indicates an apathy for Judaism on their part, since many Jews that marry out don't care about their spouse converting, and are therefore less likely to raise their children Jewish. The most pressing issues facing the Reform and Conservative movements are not necessarily how to stop intermarriage, but how to convince more interfaith couples to "choose Judaism", for themselves or children. So it's not a race thing, it goes back to identifying with this culture and community- a major component of which is through the religion.

good god. I stated a factual statistic. The statistic being that there are MORE white single mothers on welfare than ANY other group. Period. You are making your statistics up, I am getting mine from reliable sources.

see, that works!
also, you're right, but if it were true, what would that do for a belief system based on the beautiful purity and honesty and pride of the white master race? so, admitting you are right for him, is never gonna happen.

You are making your statistics up, I am getting mine from reliable sources.
I once read a study that showed that on average, white supremacist males were more than three times as likely to have a penis well below the average size of other males. Can you verify this, Fascist Ideals?

I once read a study that showed that on average, white supremacist males were more than three times as likely to have a penis well below the average size of other males. Can you verify this, Fascist Ideals?

lol to the banter

Oh dear, I see I really am dealing with someone who is not playing with a full deck of cards. Of course more white people are on welfare than black people. Because there are far more white people in the US than black people. But per-capita, more blacks are on welfare than whites or Asians or hispanics. Don't you understand a concept and a reality so simple to grasp?

not people. women.

Oh dear, I see I really am dealing with someone who is not playing with a full deck of cards. Of course more white people are on welfare than black people. Because there are far more white people in the US than black people. But per-capita, more blacks are on welfare than whites or Asians or hispanics. Don't you understand a concept and a reality so simple to grasp?

I thought this was about taking advantage of the welfare system? In which case, I have seen many cases in which the white woman stands quilty, or sits rather.

Oh dear, I see I really am dealing with someone who is not playing with a full deck of cards. Of course more white people are on welfare than black people. Because there are far more white people in the US than black people. But per-capita, more blacks are on welfare than whites or Asians or hispanics. Don't you understand a concept and a reality so simple to grasp?

The statistic took in to account per-capita values. Are you asking that I understand that even though I have seen evidence to the contrary, you are still correct? No, I don't! I can give logic truth tables explaining why that exact train of though is completely, and utterly, incorrect.

edit: Also, there are more white women on welfare in america than there are black PEOPLE on welfare in america.

We should just get one man and one woman from every race and kill everybody but them. Start over.

I wouldn't know. Can you verify it for me? I would really appreciate it ;)
So apparently although you are a fascist, you have no problem with homosexuals?

So apparently although you are a fascist, you have no problem with homosexuals?

He's just confused. You should have picked up on this earlier.

Right. So do you honestly believe that more white women are on welfare, per-capita, proportionately, considering the respective sizes of the white and black populations, than black women. This is really funny. There are some seriously deluded people around here.

I'm either conversing with kids here or morons, maybe both.

unito already responded, i was just clarifying the women bit - cause i thought you might dislike them too.

We should just get one man and one woman from every race and kill everybody but them. Start over.

make sure they are both straight - or that you leave plenty of sperm in the sperm bank

unito already responded, i was just clarifying the women bit - cause i thought you might dislike them too.

From the sounds of things... he just might :rolleyes:

Right. So do you honestly believe that more white women are on welfare, per-capita, proportionately, considering the respective sizes of the white and black populations, than black women. This is really funny. There are some seriously deluded people around here.

What. the. crap. You refuse to believe what is true because it would shatter your world. It's a fact, it's a statistic, and it's REAL.

"Wise men don't need advice. Fools won't take it." - Benjamin Franklin

From the sounds of things... he just might :rolleyes:
Damn you beat me to it!

So you change it now. And so what? What are you trying to prove? Just think about the nature of your edit, and the idiocy of your post before you edited and after you edited it.

I already stated that white women constitute the largest group. obviously, the whole of black people would fall neatly in to the definition of a "group".

Prove it.
Prove what? That you have absolutely no basis for anything you believe? I Think you are doing a pretty good job of that on your own.

Damn you beat me to it!

actually - i was thinking more that he is looking for a meek little housewife and then of coure, it just fit really well into your comments- so gay works too.

Prove what? That you have absolutely no basis for anything you believe? I Think you are doing a pretty good job of that on your own.

lol

Prove it.

You know what dude, we all live on this planet. We're all gonna be using the same air and we're gonna sleep under the same moon at night, whenever our night might be.

So you're just going to have to get used to the fact that there's more than one skin color out there.

I'm a white man and I plan to marry a Navajo woman. My aunt married a black man. My best friend's parents are Japanese and black.

Diversity exists, my friend. Diversity will always exist. Grasp this concept, unless it's too simple for you to understand.

Typical American, no sense of irony.

eh - sounded ironic to me.....

Typical American, no sense of irony.
Oh, but I find a homosexual fascist very ironic indeed.

Oh, but I find a homosexual facist very ironic indeed.

yep. beat you to it.

"Looks like witches are in season.
We better fly our flag and be aware,
of anyone that fits the description.
Diversity is now our biggest fear"

NoFX- Re-Gaining Unconciousness

ZEIG HEIL!!!

White Pride World Wide!!!

Sure Unito, sure. You go on believing that out of every 100 white women and every 100 black women more white women are on welfare than black women.

Does that explain the idea of "proportionate" or "per-capita" for you in really simple terms that you can understand. Probably not but I tried.

It isn't a belief. It's a verified statistic. It's like you are trying to suggest that I don't know what "per-capita" means, or something, but you are being very obvious about it, and still very obviously wrong.

How about you go on believing that somehow you believing something contrary to the truth makes it true.

All I can say is: Be be proud of your mutt offspring! ;)

Mutt? LOL!! We're all mutts, man. You're not going to find anyone that's got purely English blood or African blood. An elitist like yourself should know better.

Offspring's an awesome band anyway, i've seen them 4 times already :p

ZEIG HEIL!!!

White Pride World Wide!!!

your contribution is well noted. don't hurt the penguins.

All I can say is: Be be proud of your mutt offspring! ;)
Jesus. YOU ARE A MUTT TOO.

Okay, seeing as you don't understand what irony is, how about sarcasm?
Oh, you were talking about Socratic irony, wherein you take the part of the opposing party in your argument to illustrate its fallacies! I guess that would make you a mixed-race communist homosexual then, right?

Oh, abtholutely :)

Yeah, you thilly gooth

If it's verified give me link to where it's verified. Prove it. You don't, because you can't.

Why do you argue from such a weak position?
Why do you argue from such an inane one? As we speak, I'm talking to my old economics professor, from when I was a peer assistant, and he's trying to pull up the document that shows what I'm talking about. Also, he's laughing on the other end of the line, because of you.

Which one are you? The non-jew who pretends he's a jew? One of the mutts? I don't recall who you are. But it's okay. You all blend into one vast amorphous mass of stupidity.

Hey, it was fun, but this proud fascist has to go. Next time! :)

The white atheist in love with the navajo woman with mutt offspring planned for the future, thank you very much.

Which one are you? The non-jew who pretends he's a jew? One of the mutts? I don't recall who you are. But it's okay. You all blend into one vast amorphous mass of stupidity.

Hey, it was fun, but this proud fascist has to go. Next time! :)
I'm actually about as Caucasian as you can get- red hair, blue eyes. My girlfriend is of African descent, however. Remember- when engaging in anal sex, use plenty of lube and condoms!

Hey, it was fun, but this proud fascist has to go. Next time! :)

What a shame... the most recent statistic he could pull up was from 1994...

he told me I was wrong about the white women vs. blacks period thing, but not the white vs. blacks thing. Apparently white women are still the biggest group, but you can't compare White Women with Blacks when talking about groups.

1994 - Distribution of Welfare Families By Race
White - 37.4%
Black - 36.4%
Hispanic - 19.9%
Asian - 2.9%
Native-American - 1.3%
Unknown - 2.1%

now I have a statistic that is real... where's yours?

Oh, and just so no one misinterprets anything I said in response to Fascist Ideals's comments tonight- I have nothing against communists, interracial or homosexual individuals, or even interracial communist homosexual individuals- just the hate-monger racist ones. :)

When you think about it, isn't white supremecy really more weakening for the spirit? I mean, think about it. They believe that Jews-around, what was it, 3%? Rule the US.

If you ask me, anyone who can rule a country while being 3% of the population-and do it so that only a few rednecks notice-must be frigging geniuses.

It must be the foreskin. That's what's dragging all those other races down!




Oh, and I'm a white guy who digs mostly asian and latina women, though I'm usually not all that picky at all :p.

...Can't be, really >_>

What a shame... the most recent statistic he could pull up was from 1994...

he told me I was wrong about the white women vs. blacks period thing, but not the white vs. blacks thing. Apparently white women are still the biggest group, but you can't compare White Women with Blacks when talking about groups.

1994 - Distribution of Welfare Families By Race
White - 37.4%
Black - 36.4%
Hispanic - 19.9%
Asian - 2.9%
Native-American - 1.3%
Unknown - 2.1%

now I have a statistic that is real... where's yours?
Intersting stat, how does that compare with the racial breakdown of the population?
On another note, White supremacists are great, provide hours of amusement and give us a lower bench mark for human compassion and understanding.
What amuses me particularly is that in the US (especially rather than specifically) most white people have a number of black genes in their DNA from times when their ancestors ‘coupled’ with black men/women. The only thing that makes them white is that the genes they have for skin colour are not the black ones. Oh joy if they had them and were dormant and we could activate them.
There was a white woman in South Africa that turned black, when her skin started over producing melanin. Just a random fact.

I see the contradiction you speak of, but disagree with the generalizations.


Mmm. That pretty much sums up my feelings toward the lead post (which used "white supremacists" euphemistically to refer to "Whites" or Caucasians in general.

From what I've noticed of my girlfriend's father, he enjoys living in a house with no running water or electricity. Rising and sleeping with the sun is his lifestlye.

Honestly, you don't have to be an Indian to appreciate a simple life. Lots of Amish do it.

They still want the lives we took away from them, but they figured why not rub our mistake in our faces with their luxury cars? Society has made it hard for them to live the way they really want to live.

Now this is a line of bull puckey. Like most bipedal simians, those who took that long walk over the Bering Strait covet neat gadgets and modern health care just as much as the next hairless monkey. And who is this "our" that needs their faces rubbed?

And with the casinos... they get them because it gives the government a way to tax them, and as far as I know, that's pretty much it.

It's a scam - and again, to be honest, Indians are not the major benefactors of casino moneys, but the US government isn't either. Mostly it's "reformed" organised crime that gets the lion's share of all that dosh...

Normally I prefer not to be a prejudiced bigot. But sometimes a bit of "turning the tables" is the only way to get a real bigot to see what he is. Altogether too many people who happen to belong to ethnic minorities think it's perfectly fine to call other people racists for saying and doing the very same things that they say and do, simply with different ethnic groups as targets.

i get it: you are ukranian. not an israelite. and not really jewish.
so as an atheist myself, i always wonder about this, and this is a feature i have most often observed in jewish people and catholics but sometimes also in muslims: even when they no longer believe (or sometimes have never believed) in that faith, they still consider themselves jewish or catholic. i can to a certain extent understand it in judaism, for historical reasons, but i could never think of myself as a protestant, and i don't really understand it. and, frankly. you seem to be borderline about it - not sure whether you are jewish or not. true?

Actually it's perfectly reasonable. The key cornerstone of the Jewish ideal is a set of moral codes, not a "faith" like many other religions. Most of the commandments deal with interpersonal relationships and not with what you are "supposed" to believe.

As a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, small-nosed, German-blooded Jew, I think to claim that Jewdaism is a race is narrow thinking. Judaism is a belief that has spanned almost as many regions as it has centuries and has a diverse population thus.

To claim Israeli as a race is even more ignorant, but maybe you've just never been to Israel recently. Israel is a very diverse country with a massive Etheopian population. To see very European and very African people following the same faith right next to eachother makes the claim that "Jewish" (and not the Slavic regions that they are mostly associated with, thanks to Hitler) seem kind of silly.

Personally white supremacists donn't really upset me that much. They talk shit, true, but no one takes them seriously.

It's "native American" Indians that piss me off:

* First of all, too many of them preach their own "eco-consciousness" like they're some sort of magical people. Like being primitive and ignorant is something to aspire to. Like hunting buffalo with pointy sticks and short bows was some sort of "golden age" for them. Like you can ever catch one walking more than a block before getting in his brand-new Lexus.

* That's another thing. These people are supposed to be sooo poor. What's with all the casinos and tax-free liquor stores and smoke shops and all this "tribal sovereignty" guff? Why is every attempt to "raise Indians out of their poverty" end up being a tax scam involving the Mafia?

Your whole spiel is so racist, I hardly feel like responding, but I have the feeling you don't actually consider yourself a racist do you...you're just pointing out certain "truths". Well I am one of those "native American" Indians you're talking about, and let me tell you that you are speaking from a position of deep ignorance. TEK, also known as Traditional Environmental Knowledge is a deeply flawed concept wherin some Natives believe that ALL traditional practices are still environmentally sustainable. They aren't anymore. They were fine when they were few people on this continent, but to do the same things now would be disasterous. However, there are some aspect to TEK that are still valuable...herbal knowledge, curing of skins, etc. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water. As for a brand new Lexus? There are three reservations by where I currently live in Alberta, Canada. I invite you to come see what the Third World looks like. Then again, there are some Reserves a bit further out that are doing well now...because they didn't sign away their sub-surface rights, and have oil. Casinos? What else are you supposed to do to attract money to a place with almost zero unemployment? Depending on the treaty, Natives may have rights to the wealth below their land, or not, and depending on the land "given" to them, they may have better living conditions than other Natives.

By "supposed to be so poor" do you mean "should" be? Like if every Native isn't lying around drunk in his own stink it's a bad thing?



* Which raises yet another point. Since when do Indians have dark brown skin and kinky hair? Or "Italian-American" accents, for want of a better term? Why is it that the Sicilian "Indians" that run the Mohegan Sun make their employees watch a film wherein they bitch about the book "Last of the Mohegans"?

Indians? Bah. Don't get me started.

I'm sorry your one, small experience with a group has made you bitter and prone to stereotyping. Native Americans are a diverse bunch, composed of many different cultures, languages and traditions...but you don't know that do you, because that part is glossed over in school. Or if it is actually included in your curriculum, I guess I don't need to excuse your ignorance.

...but you don't know that do you, because that part is glossed over in school. Or if it is actually included in your curriculum, I guess I don't need to excuse your ignorance.

Another thing they gloss over in Yankee schools is how the American settlers destroyed the way of life that the native americans had and that had worked fine for them and the land for millenia. And how the American settlers made treaty after treaty which they broke, and slaughtered the buffallo herds to stop the natives way of life and forced them onto the barren land that noone else wanted. Ah, Sinuhue you have my support against these ignorant yanks.

As somebody living in Britain I can safely say I dont have to worry about White Supremicists as there arent that many over here.

As somebody living in Britain I can safely say I dont have to worry about White Supremicists as there arent that many over here.

There aren't? Then what's the deal with those race riots there were in places like Brixton, Toxteth, and so on? I don't just mean the ones in 1981--I know that it happened again in Brixton in 1995.

Another thing they gloss over in Yankee schools is how the American settlers destroyed the way of life that the native americans had and that had worked fine for them and the land for millenia. And how the American settlers made treaty after treaty which they broke, and slaughtered the buffallo herds to stop the natives way of life and forced them onto the barren land that noone else wanted. Ah, Sinuhue you have my support against these ignorant yanks.

I would always laugh at how they termed the fighting. When the white man won, it was called a battle. When the Natives won, it was called a massacre.

I would always laugh at how they termed the fighting. When the white man won, it was called a battle. When the Natives won, it was called a massacre.
probably because the indians were good enough to kill whole armies several times their own size

There were race riots, but thats not because the British equivelent of the KKK was going around annoying people.

In fact, there is no British equivelent of the KKK. Britain has its racists, there just aren't many millitant racists any more over here.

this whole thread is pointless. why not make another one and call it "why i hate jamming forks in electrical outlets" or "why i think rape sucks" or maybe even "dude, killing people is such a bad idea."

congratulations, you don't like racism. here's a cookie.

I see the contradiction you speak of, but disagree with the generalizations.


Mmm. That pretty much sums up my feelings toward the lead post (which used "white supremacists" euphemistically to refer to "Whites" or Caucasians in general.

Did you actually READ that lead post? Nowhere do I refer to whites as all being white supremists...that would make me half-white supremist, now wouldn't it? Even the ones complementing me on my fair skin are just going along with a socially acceptable belief that to be white is good...they aren't actively racist, because if they were, they wouldn't even talk to me. To make is clear for the comprehension-impaired:

White supremists are active, and overt racists who believe that their race is superior to everyone else's.

As for the poster who said "So you don't like racism, here's a cookie".... you seem to be implying that I should just "get over it". Considering that racism is NOT dead, and that my children as mixed-race stand to suffer from the consequences, I most certainly will NOT give it up. I'll keep talking about it until the only place for racism is right out in the open, and therefore less dangerous. It's all the hidden and unacknowledged racism out there that causes the most harm. White people don't see white racism (though they may feel the effects of racism directed against them by other groups) because they are WHITE. So just because you as a white person don't see whites being racist, doesn't mean they aren't...they're just doing it to people that aren't the same colour as them.

So speak out when you hear racist jokes! Don't let it continue to be acceptable!!!

White people don't see white racism (though they may feel the effects of racism directed against them by other groups) because they are WHITE. So just because you as a white person don't see whites being racist, doesn't mean they aren't...they're just doing it to people that aren't the same colour as them.

Hold on there, just because I'm white doesn't mean I'm automatically unable to see what others of my race are doing. I can see it and it bothers me when ANYBODY does it to ANYBODY. I hate having it done to me, and it also makes me sick to see people doing it to others. I mean, I was recently involved in a discussion of one of my favorite bands with somebody, and when the discussion turned towards two more recent members of the band (who happen to be Uruguayan) the jerk surprised me with a very nasty attitude towards Hispanics. He deserved a good punch in the face for his remarks, but seeing as he was much bigger than me, plus he'd sue and it would make me look just as bad, I wasn't the one to give it to him. I was infuriated, though, and I ENDED the conversation there.

Really, though, my point is, please do not get an idea that all whites are automatically blind to other whites' racial stereotyping. That's a stereotype of its own.

As for the poster who said "So you don't like racism, here's a cookie".... you seem to be implying that I should just "get over it". Considering that racism is NOT dead, and that my children as mixed-race stand to suffer from the consequences, I most certainly will NOT give it up. I'll keep talking about it until the only place for racism is right out in the open, and therefore less dangerous. It's all the hidden and unacknowledged racism out there that causes the most harm. White people don't see white racism (though they may feel the effects of racism directed against them by other groups) because they are WHITE. So just because you as a white person don't see whites being racist, doesn't mean they aren't...they're just doing it to people that aren't the same colour as them.

So speak out when you hear racist jokes! Don't let it continue to be acceptable!!!


definitely not implying that you should "get over it." the fight against prejudice of any sort is an ongoing battle of education and tolerance, and i believe it has to start with the younger generations. this closed-minded perception that one "race" is superior to another will hopefully phase itself as these beliefs can be curtailed from being passed on to future generations.

i just thought the point of your original post saying "racism is bad" was an incredibly obvious statement. i think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone on here (or in general) that would disagree with that statement.

i just thought the point of your original post saying "racism is bad" was an incredibly obvious statement. i think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone on here (or in general) that would disagree with that statement.

Unfortunately not so hard pressed... just read Facist Ideals's posts.

One thing I have noticed is that arguing about things will never solve anything.

In this discussion there are two point of views, one of the racist and one of the sane person. Both believe in their own ideas and that they are right, in turn making them stubborn to the ideas their opponent introduces. This logic can be found in oh so many more situations. Watch a theist and an atheist argue religion. They will fight as they wish but not change the other a bit. Same goes for politics.

Racism is an evil beast, I agree with this, but I also agree with people being entitled to their own opinions. I might have hated the Jurassic Park movies and you might love them. It's the same thing, just to a different degree.

So to say "get over it" or "deal with it" are probably one of the best things that can possibly be done. By shouting our hatred for them, we're somehow proving them right. We're showing them what they believe to be our ignorance. The best thing we, as a people, as humans, can do to stop it is to show them.

If that doesn't work, I say we just get all of our skin melted off. Then we'd all be walking scars and nobody would know the difference.

I hate anyone racist. It isn't just white people that are racist you know (probably the majority of racist people are white, but still) I've heard of other races being racist too (Asian was what I heard, and no I don't think that all Asian people are racist) and I hate the fact that some people dislike others just because of their skin color. I don't think that there is a problem as far as "White History Month" or white kids not being proud of their heritage', as someone mentioned earlier. I'm white and I'm not necessarily proud of my heritage but I don't wish that I had been born a different color. I do think that it is unfair how a white person cannot talk about race as easily as non-whites, we aren't all like our ancestors, you know. I'll use myself as an example, my best friend is half Lakota Souix (sp?) and my other best friend is half Mexican and I have other various friends of all shapes, sizes, and colors.

Racism is stupid, diversity makes things so much more interesting.

I was talking to a friend once and he asked me if I've ever experienced "White Guilt" and he was surprised when I asked him what he was talking about. I guess I'm supposed to feel bad because I'm white and because white people did a lot of things wrong. If that were the case, Human Guilt would come into play and I'd probably end up shooting myself.

Everybody is their own person with their own story to tell, we just need to be smart enough to take the time to hear these stories.

There were race riots, but thats not because the British equivelent of the KKK was going around annoying people.

In fact, there is no British equivelent of the KKK. Britain has its racists, there just aren't many millitant racists any more over here.

What about the BNP?

Descrimination is as alive today as it always has been. In america: It's just move from the minorities to the majority. Don't tell me Affirmitive Action isn't descrimination. The very definition of it is unfair descrimination. I take "Equality" as meaning every last adult being no better than the other on terms of gender, race, or religion.

There's been racism from all ethnicities. asian cultures in particular seem to throughly hate one another.

What about the BNP?

there are white supremeacists in britian - the BNP being one dispicable group of bullies, and the UK branch of the KKK another (yes, they do exist!) - but i can follow the argument made (at least in terms of london). it is not like in the US. the racial divide that is expereinced in your cities is so thick it can be touched - the few and far between lunatics in the UK are rarely heard from, given any attention, and last i checked up on it (two years ago), KKK UK had an estimated eight members - nationwide.

there are white supremeacists in britian - the BNP being one dispicable group of bullies, and the UK branch of the KKK another (yes, they do exist!) - but i can follow the argument made (at least in terms of london). it is not like in the US. the racial divide that is expereinced in your cities is so thick it can be touched - the few and far between lunatics in the UK are rarely heard from, given any attention, and last i checked up on it (two years ago), KKK UK had an estimated eight members - nationwide.

Hmmm. I can see how you can argue about the racial divide being more pronounced, but that's not the same thing as KKK membership. Obviously race continues to be a very dicey subject in America, particularly in major cities where various races rub shoulders with each other and are sometimes seen as being antagonistic towards each other (such as Jews and Blacks in Crown Heights, Brooklyn).

But not everyone who's necessarily prejudiced (or merely PART of the racial divide) is of the same ideology as an all-out racist, or as actual supremacists. As I understand it, the modern KKK is actually quite marginal in America now (not to mention extremely fractured).

Racist groups continue to exist, but they are, on the whole, quite tiny and inconsequential in American politics.

In some ways, I would argue the BNP, with its veneer of respectability, is far more dangerous than the KKK.

Hmmm. I can see how you can argue about the racial divide being more pronounced, but that's not the same thing as KKK membership. Obviously race continues to be a very dicey subject in America, particularly in major cities where various races rub shoulders with each other and are sometimes seen as being antagonistic towards each other (such as Jews and Blacks in Crown Heights, Brooklyn).

But not everyone who's necessarily prejudiced (or merely PART of the racial divide) is of the same ideology as an all-out racist, or as actual supremacists. As I understand it, the modern KKK is actually quite marginal in America now (not to mention extremely fractured).

Racist groups continue to exist, but they are, on the whole, quite tiny and inconsequential in American politics.

In some ways, I would argue the BNP, with its veneer of respectability, is far more dangerous than the KKK.

i don't disagree with anything that you say at all (especially about the danger of BNP), i was just saying that you were both right on some level; the brit who doesn't worry cause racism is not so apparent or pronounced in england as in the us, and of course you stating that of course there is the BNP.

What are you talking about?! Are you braindead?! The entirety of asia from ~5000B.C. has written down pretty much everything that has happened. The Incas and Aztecs kept extremely detailed records of pretty much everything they did. The egyptian hieroglyphs, I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD OF THOSE, were a record of egyptian civilization.

how did the incas do that? they had no form of writing, are you talking about oral history? not sure on the aztecs, but they'd only been around a short time before the spanish wiped them out.

and what mongrel mix are you then?
As a fascist, I can assure you I certainly wouldn't compliment you for being nearly white. I would look at you and think what a shame that your parents, or grandparents, or whover, screwed up 40,000 years of evolution to produce a mutt.


and what mongrel mix are you then?

I'm short, brown haired and green eyed, and the last five generations of my family are all Ukrainian! And full-blooded Ukies, along with Russians, whose people are Scandinavian in origin, mind you, are your typical blond hair, blue eyed, and tall people.

correction. russians are a mix of slavic and scandinavian stock.

Chris Rock is an absolute dipshit. If any white person said the things that he does on a regular basis, except about black people, they would be lynched in town square. Becuase black people in america are seen as a minority, they get certain unseen privileges that some people exploit. Seeing that idiot stand on a stage and proceed to spread his anti-white slogans and messages in the name of comedy is a travesty. Racism is one thing, but reverse-racism where someone can blast white culture and then cry racist if anyone comments is also bullshit.

What a shame... the most recent statistic he could pull up was from 1994...

he told me I was wrong about the white women vs. blacks period thing, but not the white vs. blacks thing. Apparently white women are still the biggest group, but you can't compare White Women with Blacks when talking about groups.

1994 - Distribution of Welfare Families By Race
White - 37.4%
Black - 36.4%
Hispanic - 19.9%
Asian - 2.9%
Native-American - 1.3%
Unknown - 2.1%

now I have a statistic that is real... where's yours?

to be fair, white make up the largest portion of USA no? so by ratio, there are more black and hispanic families on welfare.
please correct if wrong

Nope. I can appreciate the often political message of many (skinhead or fuzzy headed) punk bands. Nazi metal however...yikes...examples? Well my baby won't give me enough time to google it, but I did see an A&E special on Nazi thrash trash.... and the songs in American X are real songs....it's out there, I've heard it on occasion, and that's as far into it as I want to go.
"I've heard it on occasion and therefore assume that all white people put out racist trash, thereby making me better than white people, because I'm not racist."
--Please, be a little more careful with the statements you make. When you first said something about Racist music, I was not surprised that it existed, but at the same time, it's definitely not mainstream, and there aren't that many people that listen to it. It doesn't make the situation any better or worse (I don't think racist music should exist), however, it'd help the situation if you didn't have that attitude that so much music is racist. You're misrepresenting white people.
On a side note, music is art...and you're probably not qualified to say whether or not racist music "sucks." However, you're more than qualified to tell us you don't like racist music and why you don't.

question Sinuhue,
your annoyed because people say you could pass for white? hate to say then, you are white.
being white is not a race its a colour. You also say your 1/2 american indian, whats the other 1/2 then?

i don't disagree with anything that you say at all (especially about the danger of BNP), i was just saying that you were both right on some level; the brit who doesn't worry cause racism is not so apparent or pronounced in england as in the us, and of course you stating that of course there is the BNP.


in the united states pat buchanan argues a poltical line very close to the bnp, and while he has very little organized following at this point, he also lacks the bnp's taint of association with real national socialist parties like the national front or combat 18.

*runs in wearing a semtex jacket*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! *boomsplat*

ok I agree with yuo about the whole thing, except that part where you diss metal! metal is the best music. that rap and pop is not even music....so don't get me started

ok I agree with yuo about the whole thing, except that part where you diss metal! metal is the best music. that rap and pop is not even music....so don't get me started
my impression of you keeps going downhill...

my impression of you keeps going downhill...rap and pop artists are only interested in making money. they all sell outs. they make music that will sell. they make music that plays on MTV.

rap and pop artists are only interested in making money. they all sell outs. they make music that will sell. they make music that plays on MTV.
pop artists, yes, rap, no.

there are plenty of talented and underground rap artists and groups. stop being an ignorant ass

The BNP aren't militant. They are certainly an extreme right group, but they dont go round 'paki bashing' which is what there forerunners the National Front used to do. They are also not that popular.

In the U.s there is alot of segregation which just doesn't exist over here. (I speak from my experience of New York, which may have mis-represented the country as a whole I suppose) Some areas are mainly black or mainly white, but there are no areas which are just Black or just White. Also, having a mixed race child appears to be a big deal over in the U.s

Your ideas are nice but flawed. There is segregation and a hard core of racism in Britain. Immigrants are vilified and although racial segregation is not as obvious as what is in the U.S it does exist.

I live in a part of London which could not be more mixed if it tried, how can you say there is segregation?

Asylum seekers do seem to be getting villified a lot over here at the moment for some reason though. Its like everybodys angry at them for fleeing opression and seeking a better life in the affluent west, as if they wouldnt do the same in their situation.

The BNP aren't militant. They are certainly an extreme right group, but they dont go round 'paki bashing' which is what there forerunners the National Front used to do. They are also not that popular.

In the U.s there is alot of segregation which just doesn't exist over here. (I speak from my experience of New York, which may have mis-represented the country as a whole I suppose) Some areas are mainly black or mainly white, but there are no areas which are just Black or just White. Also, having a mixed race child appears to be a big deal over in the U.s
truth be told mixed race children in the us are generally regarded by society as belonging to the non white race of which they are part, unless they are of such a small part that they appear virtually white.

I live in a part of London which could not be more mixed if it tried, how can you say there is segregation?

Asylum seekers do seem to be getting villified a lot over here at the moment for some reason though. Its like everybodys angry at them for fleeing opression and seeking a better life in the affluent west, as if they wouldnt do the same in their situation.

it never ceases to amaze me - having spent my entire adult life living in london - how the english (not referring to yourself - in case you are english ;) ) seem unable to distinguish between (economic) immigrants and asylum seekers. as you stated; asylum seekers are people who are fleeing persecution - often certain death - and have little to no choice about leaving behind a country they may love, family and friends, their home, their belongings. And yet they are the people getting the shit - and not the white economic and noneconomic migrants coming to settle. this is not to say that immigrants in general should be given a hard time no matter where they are from -, but i cannot escape the perception that the judgment passed upon asylum seekers - rather than immigrants - in britain is caused by ignorance and fear rather than deepseeded racism - largely because, as yourself, i constantly observe mixed race couples, children, groups no matter which part of london i find myself in.