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From today's NY Post, a right-leaning rag if ever there were one, reprinted in Yahoo News. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&ncid=742&e=1&u=/nypost/20040920/cm_nypost/thetruthaboutriflestatistics)
The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."

Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.

That's all the info there is in the article, so it's hardly conclusive, who'dathunk that TRA might have been onto something?

I KNEW it was right Incertonia, and one of the reasons why I knew it was because I remembered what you wrote about what Karl Rove did with stealing those debate papers during the Gore/Bush debates. This latest GOP dirty trick fits that same exact pattern and the GOP had the most to gain from this--alot more then the dems did

From today's NY Post, a right-leaning rag if ever there were one, reprinted in Yahoo News. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&ncid=742&e=1&u=/nypost/20040920/cm_nypost/thetruthaboutriflestatistics)


That's all the info there is in the article, so it's hardly conclusive, who'dathunk that TRA might have been onto something?
Post...ugh.


Well, no offence to MK, but a broken clock is right twice a day (once if it is a 24 hour clock).

Trust me, it pained me to write that post. Lord knows I've spent enough time in the past smacking TRA around, and I'm sure I'll do it again in the future, but I had to give credit where it was due.

:chuckles:
Well... in NY political circles, of course that's the "hot rumor".
Heck, in NS circles, it was the hot topic there for a while, still is btw.

i assume onerule's post went something along these lines

oh no, proof for the liberals. discredit, discredit!!!

ny times is a CONSERVATIVE newspaper.

Notice that Stone refuses to comment. Oh what a beautiful thing if this turns out to have substance. I'm waiting for more info, but in the early goings, it looks bad for the GOP, and they'll end up eating a WHOLE LOT OF CROW.

A better story could not be made up. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Dissent in Republican circles, A supposed liberal conspiracy turns full circle and drops in the laps of the conservatives. This is the bread and butter of today's journalism.

The truth of today's journalism is this: Left or Right bias does not matter, as long as it makes a buck and has people reading. This is a juicy story, so it will get a lot of coverage.

bump

Yes, the Post leans conservative, but it's more biased by sensationalism than any one political view -- the same can be said for most major news sources, but not quite to the degree of the Post. I'm far from convinced at this point.

That said, in a way, I kind of hope this is true. It would expose both sides for the mud-throwing, slander-mongering scum they are; the Republicans, obviously for putting together such a scheme, and the Democrats for being so eager to smear Bush that they actually bought it without even bothering to ensure that the documents were genuine. No one looks good in this one, folks.

I tried to find a quote that would be appropriate here in this thread. It's from the episode of Star Trek:TNG called The Drumhead.
The quote has to do with the 5th amendment and how we, as a society can not afford to take "no comment" as a sign of guilt or innocence.

Perhaps he said no comment because he was shocked at the insinuation and was at a loss of words.

Perhaps he said no comment because he was involved and hadnt got his story straight yet.

We don't know now. To assume he's guilty off hand because he said no comment is jumping the gun so to speak.

You're right, of course, TheOneRule, that it's early to assume that Stone had anything to do with this, but we're not talking about a virgin in the world of political intrigue here. His past history certainly indicates that he'd be capable of such actions, and perhaps even prone toward them.

Either way, it serves to shunt the focus off a ridiculous debate and will perhaps help us move back to the important issues of the day, like whether or not Britney had a pre-nup. :D

You're right, of course, TheOneRule, that it's early to assume that Stone had anything to do with this, but we're not talking about a virgin in the world of political intrigue here. His past history certainly indicates that he'd be capable of such actions, and perhaps even prone toward them.

Either way, it serves to shunt the focus off a ridiculous debate and will perhaps help us move back to the important issues of the day, like whether or not Britney had a pre-nup. :D
Or even more importantly, how long will this new marriage last? It's already over 55 hours!

Dumb question: If you are trying to convince someone that forged docs from the 1970s are genuine, why the hell would you simply type them out with the default settings of Microsoft Word and then run them through a copier a few times?

Do you seriously think that this "Stone" would try to pass off such a pathetic forgery? How the hell would a GOP guy have known that NO ONE at CBS would notice?

Dumb question: If you are trying to convince someone that forged docs from the 1970s are genuine, why the hell would you simply type them out with the default settings of Microsoft Word and then run them through a copier a few times?

Do you seriously think that this "Stone" would try to pass off such a pathetic forgery? How the hell would a GOP guy have known that NO ONE at CBS would notice?
The funny angle to that question is, the Lefties accuse Karl Rove and "Stone" of being masterminds of political hit jobs (talk about a pot and a kettle.) Yet, they expect everyone to believe that they were naive enough to produce such a clear forgery. Then they go back to the character and somehow fool...not one, not two, not even three!! flaming libs and an entire networks news operation.

Sorry, too convenient a way to pass the buck. Burkett didn't act alone, and I see the fingerprints of the Clintonistas in the Kerry campaign all over this.

Both of you guys are jumping the gun a bit--there's been no proof thus far that they're forgeries or that they were indeed produced by Microsoft Word. All that's happened is that CBS says they can't stand behind their authenticity anymore. You guys still lack positive evidence that they were forged in the first place. You have suspicion, and you have argument, but since you do not have the documents, you do not have proof, and to be quite frank about it, the only one who knows if they're forged and how they were forged ain't talking yet. So make sure you don't dislocate your shoulders from patting yourselves on the back so hard--you haven't proven anything yet.

Oh, and for the record--I've never referred to Stone or Rove as geniuses. Dirty tricksters, yes. Perhaps even artists at what they do. But not geniuses. I'll call Rove a genius if he can put enough lipstick on the pig known as George W. Bush to get him elected after the last four years.

You're right, of course, TheOneRule, that it's early to assume that Stone had anything to do with this, but we're not talking about a virgin in the world of political intrigue here. His past history certainly indicates that he'd be capable of such actions, and perhaps even prone toward them.

Either way, it serves to shunt the focus off a ridiculous debate and will perhaps help us move back to the important issues of the day, like whether or not Britney had a pre-nup. :D
If she didnt... she dumber than even I gave her credit for.... and that's a hard target to hit.

I KNEW it was right Incertonia, and one of the reasons why I knew it was because I remembered what you wrote about what Karl Rove did with stealing those debate papers during the Gore/Bush debates. This latest GOP dirty trick fits that same exact pattern and the GOP had the most to gain from this--alot more then the dems did
for a pinko scum you are actually right quite often Red, people don't seem to realize that the far left and far right media and individuals always attempt to tell the truth they believe the mainstream misses and more often than not they are correct. often what they report isn't even in dispute it is just not mentioned by the big corperate media.

I tried to find a quote that would be appropriate here in this thread. It's from the episode of Star Trek:TNG called The Drumhead.
The quote has to do with the 5th amendment and how we, as a society can not afford to take "no comment" as a sign of guilt or innocence.

Perhaps he said no comment because he was shocked at the insinuation and was at a loss of words.

Perhaps he said no comment because he was involved and hadnt got his story straight yet.

We don't know now. To assume he's guilty off hand because he said no comment is jumping the gun so to speak.

"For the first link of chain is forged, the first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Was it that?

Post...ugh.


Well, no offence to MK, but a broken clock is right twice a day (once if it is a 24 hour clock).
Praise from Caesar!!!
Hide the shanks.

for a pinko scum you are actually right quite often Red, people don't seem to realize that the far left and far right media and individuals always attempt to tell the truth they believe the mainstream misses and more often than not they are correct. often what they report isn't even in dispute it is just not mentioned by the big corperate media.
Scum has to wait around for a while. MK doesn't wait around at all. I wouldn't call MK scum. Pinko maybe, although that term is also too often used.
If nothing else, credit where credit's due. Good for MK.

The funny angle to that question is, the Lefties accuse Karl Rove and "Stone" of being masterminds of political hit jobs (talk about a pot and a kettle.) Yet, they expect everyone to believe that they were naive enough to produce such a clear forgery. Then they go back to the character and somehow fool...not one, not two, not even three!! flaming libs and an entire networks news operation.

Sorry, too convenient a way to pass the buck. Burkett didn't act alone, and I see the fingerprints of the Clintonistas in the Kerry campaign all over this.


What was that about a pot and a kettle again.....

The funny angle to that question is, the Lefties accuse Karl Rove and "Stone" of being masterminds of political hit jobs (talk about a pot and a kettle.) Yet, they expect everyone to believe that they were naive enough to produce such a clear forgery. Then they go back to the character and somehow fool...not one, not two, not even three!! flaming libs and an entire networks news operation.

Sorry, too convenient a way to pass the buck. Burkett didn't act alone, and I see the fingerprints of the Clintonistas in the Kerry campaign all over this.
Fingerprints? Care to enlighten everyone of your intrepid insight?
Given, Clinton did have his hands a few places ... are you that familiar with his grip? *insinuate* ;)
Other than *insinuation* about "Clintonistas" you don't have anything so far to convince anyone not already subscribing to your "party".
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Headline; MKULTRA might accidentally have been right.

Subtitle; MKULTRA apologizes and swears it was an accident, never to happen again.

;) Nationstates really does need its own "Onion" or "Daily Show" sometimes.

Yes, the Post leans conservative, but it's more biased by sensationalism than any one political view -- the same can be said for most major news sources, but not quite to the degree of the Post. I'm far from convinced at this point.

That said, in a way, I kind of hope this is true. It would expose both sides for the mud-throwing, slander-mongering scum they are; the Republicans, obviously for putting together such a scheme, and the Democrats for being so eager to smear Bush that they actually bought it without even bothering to ensure that the documents were genuine. No one looks good in this one, folks.
Im compelled to agree with this

for a pinko scum you are actually right quite often Red, people don't seem to realize that the far left and far right media and individuals always attempt to tell the truth they believe the mainstream misses and more often than not they are correct. often what they report isn't even in dispute it is just not mentioned by the big corperate media.
good point--the corporate pig establishment is the true cancer plaguing America more then the activism of militants from either camp-thats why the internet is the true center of people power in the media today

Scum has to wait around for a while. MK doesn't wait around at all. I wouldn't call MK scum. Pinko maybe, although that term is also too often used.
If nothing else, credit where credit's due. Good for MK.
thanks Straughn I dont think your scum either and your always on the side of the people