NationStates Jolt Archive

Now, before you post, I know what most of you will say.

You will say that you DO NOT think your candidate for president is perfect...in fact, you will state humbly, you think he has MANY flaws...and you will name a couple of token issues that you can accept as a possible failing of your candidate.

Then, if someone challenges you on any issue, you will immediately backtrack and portray your candidate as the end-all-be-all of political mastery, with nary a stain on his shoes. You will blame the other candidate...quote conspiracy theories...hurl accusations...and blame Dan Rather or Karl Rove...but you will NEVER put your candidate under the painful light of in depth examination in the face of your enemy.

Please don't do that crap here.

HERE IS WHAT I ASK:

If you are a Kerry fan, criticize Kerry. No holds barred.

If you are a Bush fan, criticize Bush. No holds barred.

Let's get some actually productive discourse going, and cease with the "my candidate can whip your candidate" bullshit.

I'LL START:

I will probably vote for Bush this year...but it's only because I like him marginally better than Kerry and I feel more comfortable with him as a member of the military. However, I think Bush is arrogant, condescending, and grossly uninformed at times, and desperately needs a firm, strong cabinet to help him. I think his foreign policy BADLY needs help, and that 9/11 is no longer sufficient justification on its own for his action. Plus, it embarrasses me to hear the man speak publicly, because he usually sounds like an uneducated bully.


YOUR TURN!

I'm planning on voting for myself as a write-in candidate this year, so, obviously, I do believe that my candidate is flawless.

My wife, however, seems to take an opposing position...

ok
i never have and i doubt i ever will vote for a republican for president
therefore kerry is my man

could the man look MORE like herman munster without becoming a copyright infringement?

he is rich man married to an extremely rich widow CAN'T HE AFFORD A GOOD HAIRCUT??

if only money could buy personality

he is too much of a politician, ending up too often on both sides of the fence rather than taking a strong liberal stand

he's starting to take the gloves off and say the strong things that need to be said but he needs to do it more. stop looking like a wimp and fight for the job you are running for!

I'm planning on voting for myself as a write-in candidate this year, so, obviously, I do believe that my candidate is flawless.

My wife, however, seems to take an opposing position...

Bah, as long as she's assuming a position.

The islamic threat must be dealt with harshly. G.W. Bush is the only man trustworthy enough to kill those goat-fuckers, not suck them off like liberal-left scum would.

Bah, as long as she's assuming a position.

Indeed.

Kerry is a dull, boring, flip flopping asshole, But he's still much better than sat...I mean bush. nader aint that great either. My candidate was sharpton, and he was perfect.

The islamic threat must be dealt with harshly. G.W. Bush is the only man trustworthy enough to kill those goat-fuckers, not suck them off like liberal-left scum would.


Boy, did YOU miss the point of this thread. Read it again, my excited little friend.

I am pretty much disinterested in this election so I'll lay into both.

It's incredibly sad that President Bush is having such a hard time beating John Kerry. I mean I couldn't even tell you Kerry's plans if he became president. All he's done is attack Bush and seemingly flip flop on issues. We know you served in Vietnam, tell us what you're going to do.

Then again it's just as incredibly sad that John Kerry is having such a hard time beating Bush. C'mon, take a glance at the war in Iraq. The budget deficit is horrendous, and the job growth rate and the economy is improving, but yet questionable. Compassionate conservatism? I don't know how anyone could buy that juxtaposition.

No wonder so many Americans don't vote. This election is a battle between two jokes.

Kelj, Kelj, Kelj.

You should know better thent to have a serious debate ;)

I will go will Kerry as I don't think I will get much from the Shrub.

Kerry is no war hero. He was a glory hunter but many men have taken that route in war. He was shrewed in that he saw loop holes for getting out of the war front quick.

Kerry is a sliver spoon. Wealth tends to make people forget what then went through(excluding inheritances, etc). And is drives me bunkers to hear extreamly wealth people talk about the sufferings of others.

Kerry and the protests bother me because my family is military.

I know what I have with the Shrub. I am willing to take a chance on the question mark of Kerry. To me; the shrub is an assured screwover. Kerry probably will be a screw over......

I personally think all politicians suck. All of them nowadays have their own interests at hand. And if they really are looking out for the common good, they aren't powerful enough to be elected pres. I seriously dislike Kerry, but I have that "anyone but bush" attitude, being a jewish liberal and all. But personally, I think most politicians suck.

I'm fiercely independent, so I'll trash them both.

Kerry came back from Vietnam not George W. Bush; remaining unremarkable except for that fact for the next 30 years. He spent his Senate career going after corruption in Washington...and seeing his fantastic results over the last 30 years; I weep for the future.

He's dull, out-of-touch, and utterly without a significant platform to run from. His military record could not POSSIBLY matter now; besides, running for president on character alone hardly seems fesible for "Al Gore without the Charisma" John Kerry. His party platform screams incoherance and confusion, mixed messages and slow reactions to change plauge his every move. His choice of running mate didn't leave the nation in suspense, it left us yawning. A pathetic, pendantic, privilaged pansy.

George W. Bush spent the first 40 years of his life in a drugged-out alcholic haze. He then found Jesus; and suddenly became a model citizen capable of running the most powerful nation in the world. His ideas, spoon fed to him by prominent pendants currying favor with his powerful family; resonate a strong philosophy of not learning from experience and mindless use of force.

He leads from the back, surrounded by men of great experience ducking responsibility for their actions and little learning from their many mistakes; his policies are the anthemia of reason. He calls for tax cuts when there is a surplus, he calls for tax cuts when there isn't, he calls for tax cuts when the economy is recovering, he calls for tax cuts when the economy is waning. He basically calls for tax cuts...regardless of the question posed. He also calls for a never-ending war against a foe that we do not fight, we instead attack another nation, a different one, to make sure that something that wasn't there...wasn't.

Yes folks, its a choice between two prominent wealthy sons of privilage, born with silver spoons in their mouths (or up their nose). They represent only what the party tells them to represent, they stand for things entirely based on where they sit. They're coached and trained, given language instruction for how to have "appeal" to american voters; if in fact, they appeal at all.

Hard to believe anyone can support these two jokers. If they were any less qualified they...Hell, I don't know. I'm finding it hard to believe there IS anyone less qualified.

I'm voting for Kerry, but here's a criticism of him. He won't be direct. He's always got to explain everything thoroughly, which is great for one on one discussions or policy talks, but when you're campaigning, sometimes you've just got to blast out with the sound bites, and Kerry doesn't do that often enough. He's gotten better in the last week or two, but he still needs a lot of work on it.

Oh yeah--he also just needs to come out and call Cheney a liar. Enough with the word "misleading." Cheney's a liar, plain and simple, and needs to be called out by the candidate.

I will be voting for bush

but i do have my problems with him.
First i was against his marriage ammendment because it is my belief, that although i am christian, we should not force others to obey our religious laws without fair state to state elections. because if a state approves or disapproves gay marriage it will be up to the people not a majority of congressmen who may subject a state to a law it did not vote for simply for majority. so while anti gay marriage, i believe that religious law should not be forced upon others.

i also think bush is not aggressive enough with this Iraq war. I was somewhat reluctant about this war because when fighting barbarians one cannot fight on civilized terms and expect total victory. and with every loud mouthed whinning country just waiting for us to screw up, we cant take them out on their level.

But he is better than kerry would be. we do not need permission to go to war. we do not need concent from nations that could never win a war. and we dont need a president who changes his mind every five seconds. Bush may have some unpopular views, but at least they are the same the next day. I dont want a yes man for president.

but my candidate is flawless. his only concievable flaw is that he isn't exactly a person, and therefore might not be constitutionally eligible to run.

vote nobody!

but my candidate is flawless. his only concievable flaw is that he isn't exactly a person, and therefore might not be constitutionally eligible to run.

vote nobody!


well the same amount of work will be done in government anyway.

well the same amount of work will be done in government anyway.

Hahaha!

Kerry:

Whenever I hear on the news something Kerry did, I always end up grumbling to myself that Gore would've been much better. (of course Gore had flaws too)

Kerry won't ever shut up about his service. He indeed did bring it up, and I seriously don't give a shit if Kerry served honorably or if Bush didn't serve at all.

I haven't seen Kerry much on the news lately. He's too boring. You'd think we could pick a guy that doesn't look like a plank of wood for once.

I want to hear the issues debated, not this name game thats been going on between Bush and Kerry.

But still, Kerry is better than the alternative.

Kerry and Bush are both flip-flopping caricatures.

Think about it. If Karl Rove was working for ten years he could hardly come up with a better caricature of the milquetoast Democrat politician than John Kerry. He's dull, aloof, weak and long-winded.

George W Bush is a caricature of an average Texas Republican. He's a wannabe cowboy, Christian fundamentalist, arrogant, he doesn't care about anything other than himself, and he thinks in black and white.

Neither of them has firm principles on which they take a stand. It's ok to change positions on an issue after learning new information, but these jokes change daily. To both of them, political battles and victories matter more to them than their country's well-being.

Both candidates are jokes. I am not American. But I am amzed that in a country of 300 million, neither party could find anyone better to lead them than either of these lame ducks.

I support Bush, im gonna criticize him but use Kerry as a explanation as to why im choosing Bush.

1) Bush lacks common sense. He relies to much on others
2) Kerry's just flat out worse

2) Bush is bad at foreign policy
2) Kerry has trouble unglueing his lips off Frances ass

3) Bush is extreme on his policies
3) Only thing Kerry can protect is his check book, beyond his checking account he's weak on defense.

4) Bush is not overly smart
4) Kerry is smart but is incapable of thinking for himself

Good things about Bush to justify my vote:

1) Bush is loyal, he is loyal to his friends, his country, his people
1) Kerry would sell anyone out if he can save face, his Vietnam speech proves that much

2) Bush has good instincts, he can make decisive descisions on his own, he can think independently
2) Kerry is egotistical, he only does what the crowd wants him to do, he has poor judgement

3) Bush is aggressive and strong willed
3) Kerry is a panzy

4) Bush show's non-stop consistency, we know where he stands, we can trust that he will make a choice and will stick with his decision
4) Kerry couldnt take a position on anything even if they only gave him one option.

5) Bush is strong on defense, we havent been struck by terrorism since 9/11 while the world suffers overwhelming terrorism such as Russia.
5) Kerry's past history shows a utterly pathetic record on defense and military, pathetic enough where Kerry wont even bring up the subject during the DNC, all he could do was brag how much of a war hero he is.

Im voting for Bush because he puts words into action, i refuse to vote for Kerry because he can walk the walk, but when he has to step up to the plate he looks for someone to hide behind.

Poli = Latin(?) for "Many"
Tics = "bloodsucking creatures"

I'm voting for Bush...but:

1. You can't give tax cuts and then spend like a Democrat.

2. He gave amnesty to illegal aliens to buy the latino vote.

3. He won't take my phone calls anymore...