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source http://english.aljazeera.net

Israeli troops destroy refugee homes

Thursday 02 September 2004, 8:46 Makka Time, 5:46 GMT
Israeli occupation forces have blown up two Palestinian housing blocs in a Gaza refugee camp.
Just hours after a helicopter gunship fired four missiles into Khan Yunis on Thursday, troops pushed into the camp to destroy two 10-storey apartment buildings that overlook a nearby illegal Jewish settlement.
The army justified evacuating 150 Palestinian families to destroy scores of homes because the buildings could threaten the Neve Dekalim colony.
Five Palestinians were injured in the earlier missile attacks, with medics saying that some struck buildings close to Khan Yunis Hospital.

Justification

Commanding the operation, Colonel Yehoushua Rinski said the raid was not a collective punishment for a recent Palestinian attack in Beersheba that killed 16 Israelis.
Rinski added destroying the homes would prevent mortar bombs landing in Neve Dekalim. "The situation that the Palestinians use urban places where their civilians live and shoot towards our settlements cannot be tolerated."
The two 10-storey apartment blocs were destroyed despite plans by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to evacuate all 21 illegal Jewish settlements in Gaza by the end of 2005.

Justification enough?

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its because of policies like this is why Israel is plagued with never ending terrorism

its because of policies like this is why Israel is plagued with never ending terrorism
I doubt the Bushists see it that way.

Israeli Dead: 909
Palestinian Dead: 3166


Judging by the above figures, it is the Palestinians who need a barrier to protect themselves from Israeli Terrorism.

israelis should just get out of palestine, it is not thier land (all israelis are either european or american) these israelis are just hungry, they are like thieves, grabbing land every day. they destroy olive groves and the like just so they can get luxury apartments, while the palestinians livelyhood is destroyed!

do you blame the palestinians for wanting to beat israelis?

ive asked this question many times:

what would you do if you were in the palestinians shoes?

I doubt the Bushists see it that way.
Bush doesnt think at all-hes a fool and a tool

Israeli Dead: 909
Palestinian Dead: 3166


Judging by the above figures, it is the Palestinians who need a barrier to protect themselves from Israeli Terrorism.
why doesnt Israel just recognize Palestines right to exist?

^Its all good to read about it and see pictures, but when you actually see it first hand, it is something that stays with you for life!

I have much anger against the Israelis, and I'm not going to pretend that i like Jewish people just cos of this forum, All i wanna say is The Jews have Occupied land which does not belong to them, Even the Israelis agree.

Who's right and whose wrong, well i leave that up to you to decide. Nobody should have to see a 3 yr olds legs and arms scattered 15 ft away from its torso, especially the mother who had just buried her other child

instead of everyone worrying about political correctness, people should stand up and speak freely about what it is they feel about the situation, whats the worst that can happen, you might get banned form this site, at best people might take notice!

May Allah give the Palestinians the strength and the courage to fight evil which presents its self in the form of Israel!!!

its sad to see the way Ariel Sharons racist policies have caused so much needless death in the region. The world misses Yitzhak Rabin, Israels only true peacemaker ever

This thread is drowning in bullshit.

First, it's generally not very good form to quote Al-Jazeera for articles on Israeli policies. They're considered just a tad biased.

As Israeli media sources report, the buildings were not destroyed because they "could" threaten the nearby settlement:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/472641.html

Palestinian gunmen used the abandoned buildings for cover when they fired at Gaza settlements, the IDF said. The army also said that soldiers evacuated 6,000 residents of eight multiple-story apartment buildings nearby to ensure that they wouldn't be hurt when troops blew up the targeted buildings. The buildings overlook the neighboring settlement of Neveh Dekalim.

The demolitions rendered dozens of Palestinians homeless. Colonel Yehoshua Rinski, commander of the operation, said the raid was aimed at stopping area militants from firing mortar bombs at nearby settlements. Hours earlier, gunmen fired three bombs at Neve Dekalim, a frequent target of such attacks.

The fact that the settlement is set to be dismantled is irrelevant- people are still going to live there until the settlement is abolished. If there's a threat to them, it's not surprising- or even, IMO, unreasonable- for the army to act accordingly to protect them.

its because of policies like this is why Israel is plagued with never ending terrorism

The demolitions were in response to terrorism. Try again.

I doubt the Bushists see it that way.

I am not a "Bushist"- far from it. I support dismantling the settlements and restarting peace talks, culminating in a final status, two-state solution. However, I don't think what was done here was so unreasonable.

Israeli Dead: 909
Palestinian Dead: 3166

Judging by the above figures, it is the Palestinians who need a barrier to protect themselves from Israeli Terrorism.

How about citing a source for those figures? Are you including Palestinian terrorists among the Palestinian death count? I've also read that Israeli figures are higher than the ones you gave.

israelis should just get out of palestine, it is not thier land (all israelis are either european or american)

Prove it.

these israelis are just hungry, they are like thieves, grabbing land every day.

As opposed to the Jordanians, who are currently occupying what was supposed to be a huge chunk of the UN-mandated Palestinian state?

they destroy olive groves and the like just so they can get luxury apartments, while the palestinians livelyhood is destroyed!

Palestinian livelihood also isn't helped by rampant corruption among the PA, most notably Arafat.

do you blame the palestinians for wanting to beat israelis?

Anyone who "wants" to commit violence against someone else, or does, should be held accountable for their actions. That's not to say I can't understand their motivations, but it doesn't negate their activity.

what would you do if you were in the palestinians shoes?

That would depend what kind of Palestinian I was. If I had a relative killed, I would probably be fighting, too.

Now here's one for you:

What would you do if you were an Israeli?

why doesnt Israel just recognize Palestines right to exist?

It has, repeatedly. It's still waiting for the Palestinians to return the favor.

I have much anger against the Israelis, and I'm not going to pretend that i like Jewish people just cos of this forum

Oh wow, now I'm gonna cry... :rolleyes:

All i wanna say is The Jews have Occupied land which does not belong to them, Even the Israelis agree.

What parts do you consider to be "occupied land"? Where do you draw the line? Because there's a plurality of opinion among Jews and Israelis you seem to be ignoring.

Who's right and whose wrong, well i leave that up to you to decide.

Yeah, right. You're totally unbiased. After you just admitted that you dislike JEWS based on Israeli policies. How tolerant and enlightened of you. (Not unlike your post in the "Jews reject Jesus" thread- "Jews are full of shit". Nice.)

Nobody should have to see a 3 yr olds legs and arms scattered 15 ft away from its torso, especially the mother who had just buried her other child

As Shakespeare said:

"Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooked by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

Jews are just as human as Muslims or Christians. The death of a child is always a tragedy, regardless of religion.

instead of everyone worrying about political correctness, people should stand up and speak freely about what it is they feel about the situation, whats the worst that can happen, you might get banned form this site, at best people might take notice!

I didn't realize that posters on NS were shackled by the evil bonds of PC.

May Allah give the Palestinians the strength and the courage to fight evil which presents its self in the form of Israel!!!

May you one day open your eyes and see that peace- true peace- requires that both sides work towards coexistence and mutual respect. Terms like "fighting evil" are the epitome of unhelpfulness, since "evil" is in the eye of the beholder.

its sad to see the way Ariel Sharons racist policies have caused so much needless death in the region.

Sharon's a prick, but it's crap to blame this all on him. The Intifada started before Sharon even took office, and it has been perpetuated, in a large part, due to the desires of Palestinian leaders.

The world misses Yitzhak Rabin, Israels only true peacemaker ever

Ehud Barak (and Bill Clinton) offered Arafat the best deal the Palestinians had ever- or will ever- have. And he walked away from it. He cared more about lining his pockets and furthering his legacy and mythology as a "warrior" and "martyr" than actually HELPING his people, who are languishing in misery and, in some cases, actually starving. Arafat's family doesn't live in Palestine; they live in luxury in Paris. Palestinian children are dying every day, and Arafat could have stopped this. He had the power to stop it.

And he walked away. IMO, he is a bastard of the highest caliber.

I do not think peace can be made with such a man. Neither did, in retrospect, Rabin's widow.

This thread is drowning in bullshit.

First, it's generally not very good form to quote Al-Jazeera for articles on Israeli policies. They're considered just a tad biased.

As Israeli media sources report, the buildings were not destroyed because they "could" threaten the nearby settlement:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/472641.html



The fact that the settlement is set to be dismantled is irrelevant- people are still going to live there until the settlement is abolished. If there's a threat to them, it's not surprising- or even, IMO, unreasonable- for the army to act accordingly to protect them.



The demolitions were in response to terrorism. Try again.



I am not a "Bushist"- far from it. I support dismantling the settlements and restarting peace talks, culminating in a final status, two-state solution. However, I don't think what was done here was so unreasonable.



How about citing a source for those figures? Are you including Palestinian terrorists among the Palestinian death count? I've also read that Israeli figures are higher than the ones you gave.



Prove it.



As opposed to the Jordanians, who are currently occupying what was supposed to be a huge chunk of the UN-mandated Palestinian state?



Palestinian livelihood also isn't helped by rampant corruption among the PA, most notably Arafat.



Anyone who "wants" to commit violence against someone else, or does, should be held accountable for their actions. That's not to say I can't understand their motivations, but it doesn't negate their activity.



That would depend what kind of Palestinian I was. If I had a relative killed, I would probably be fighting, too.

Now here's one for you:

What would you do if you were an Israeli?



It has, repeatedly. It's still waiting for the Palestinians to return the favor.



Oh wow, now I'm gonna cry... :rolleyes:



What parts do you consider to be "occupied land"? Where do you draw the line? Because there's a plurality of opinion among Jews and Israelis you seem to be ignoring.



Yeah, right. You're totally unbiased. After you just admitted that you dislike JEWS based on Israeli policies. How tolerant and enlightened of you. (Not unlike your post in the "Jews reject Jesus" thread- "Jews are full of shit". Nice.)



As Shakespeare said:



Jews are just as human as Muslims or Christians. The death of a child is always a tragedy, regardless of religion.



I didn't realize that posters on NS were shackled by the evil bonds of PC.



May you one day open your eyes and see that peace- true peace- requires that both sides work towards coexistence and mutual respect. Terms like "fighting evil" are the epitome of unhelpfulness, since "evil" is in the eye of the beholder.



Sharon's a prick, but it's crap to blame this all on him. The Intifada started before Sharon even took office, and it has been perpetuated, in a large part, due to the desires of Palestinian leaders.



Ehud Barak (and Bill Clinton) offered Arafat the best deal the Palestinians had ever- or will ever- have. And he walked away from it. He cared more about lining his pockets and furthering his legacy and mythology as a "warrior" and "martyr" than actually HELPING his people, who are languishing in misery and, in some cases, actually starving. Arafat's family doesn't live in Palestine; they live in luxury in Paris. Palestinian children are dying every day, and Arafat could have stopped this. He had the power to stop it.

And he walked away. IMO, he is a bastard of the highest caliber.

I do not think peace can be made with such a man. Neither did, in retrospect, Rabin's widow.the Palestinians should lynch Arafat

I agree with everything that QahJoh said. These attempts to dehumanize either side as terrorists or oppressors is counter-productive and counter-intuitive. BOth sides are in the wrong here, and many of them would change the situation for the better if they knew how.

Yah might not like the Israeli government and military policies, but that doesn't mean you should actively wish death on an Israeli citizen who is just trying to make a life for themself. War and terrorism are terribly sad things, especially when they're politically motivated, which, tends to be the case one-hundred percent of the time. Both sides are guilty of horrible acts, regardless if they are considered well within the confines of conventional warfare or not.

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We semites are sooo stubborn.

Its because of policies like this is why Israel is plagued with never ending terrorism
Wrong, Israel should be way tougher than they are. I mean people are blowing themselves up in buses just to kill Jews. It's time the rest of the world opened their eyes and started supporting Isreael. All Israel has done is defent itself. Why should they be criticized for defening their poeple from terrorists? I'm not saying that the people they evacuated from these buildings are terrorists, but if there are terrorists using this builidng to attack Jews, than blow it up.

its because of policies like this is why Israel is plagued with never ending terrorism

I was gonna say something, but that summed it up pretty well.