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Saudi Arabia, YES! I hate them; their royal family is a bunch of evil oppressive jerks!

Saudi Arabia, YES! I hate them; their royal family is a bunch of evil oppressive jerks!

Agreed. In the New World Order, the Saud family shall be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Agreed. In the New World Order, the Saud family shall be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Hear Hear..


*dragged off to prison*

Hear Hear..


*dragged off to prison*

We should have let Saddam slaughter the Kuwaiti royal family as punishment for the fact that they censor any media that is Anti-Saud. (F9/11, for instance.)

And congratulations to your country on its recent strides towards democracy. Keep it up. :-)

(Little known fact: Saddam was placed into power by the USA to prevent a communist revolution in Iraq>)

The USA. Naturally.

Strides towards democracy..

HAH!!..

HAHAH!!

HAHAHAHA!!

:p

*is beaten and thrown back into police car*

meh, was worth it..

(Little known fact: Saddam was placed into power by the USA to prevent a communist revolution in Iraq>)
This is what I dont understand about my country - all because foreginers thought communism actually had a shot at working, our government goes and overthrows nice, free governments in exchange for dictatorships (like w/Pinochet in Chile). WHY DO THEY DO THIS?

(Little known fact: Saddam was placed into power by the USA to prevent a communist revolution in Iraq>)

Little known??.. Perhaps to the significant percentage of close-minded Americans who think they know everything when they are actually a bunch of ignorant, selfless jerks..

You are all a bunch of ignorant dickweeds.

We should have let Saddam slaughter the Kuwaiti royal family as punishment for the fact that they censor any media that is Anti-Saud. (F9/11, for instance.)

And congratulations to your country on its recent strides towards democracy. Keep it up. :-)

(Little known fact: Saddam was placed into power by the USA to prevent a communist revolution in Iraq>)

Uh, no he took power in 1968, around that era, we didnt place him into power at all.

Little known??.. Perhaps to the significant percentage of close-minded Americans who think they know everything when they are actually a bunch of ignorant, selfless jerks..

You will die a slow horrible painful death, you are all a bunch of snobs, you know what I really dont care what you say! My country is fine (without Bush) and personally I think yours will never be as close to as good as mine, you suck, and you probably use something everyday that was invented in America (electricity) why are we ignorant selfless jerks? Because were smart, and yeah, were so selfless that we give millions, even billions of dollars to charities such as feed the children and other orgs. that help out starving people, maybe the world hates us, but guess what? I hate YOU right back!

Pretty much B.S. actually..The US has nothing in common with PRC, and likely that someday could be in a war against them. The US CIA DID actually HELP to put Saddam in power, he came to power regardless with or without American help however in a coup. US Democratic presidents in the 60s and 70s did most of this cold war back door efforts..while however they may be right or wrong, they are in the past. Also the United States dating back to WW1 was in favor of Arab self rule but was overruled by then European colonial powers, whose self imposed borders in the region have caused many of the conflicts since.

You will die a slow horrible painful death, you are all a bunch of snobs, you know what I really dont care what you say! My country is fine (without Bush) and personally I think yours will never be as close to as good as mine, you suck, and you probably use something everyday that was invented in America (electricity) why are we ignorant selfless jerks? Because were smart, and yeah, were so selfless that we give millions, even billions of dollars to charities such as feed the children and other orgs. that help out starving people, maybe the world hates us, but guess what? I hate YOU right back!
actually if you look at the charities per capita the USA scores the lowest of every 1st world nation sometimes even lower than 2nd world nations (that means people who live in poverty give more money to poor people than US-citizens)

This is what I dont understand about my country - all because foreginers thought communism actually had a shot at working, our government goes and overthrows nice, free governments in exchange for dictatorships (like w/Pinochet in Chile). WHY DO THEY DO THIS?

If you dont know what the circumstances are tha dont talk!!! I dont know either but I do know this, I was born in Europe, moved to other place in Europe and about a year ago came to America, and it is the best country so far! I cant wait until I become a citizen. And we wouldnt just replace a free country with a Dictator unless it was under extreme circumstances, you dont know what your talking about.

If you dont know what the circumstances are tha dont talk!!! I dont know either but I do know this, I was born in Europe, moved to other place in Europe and about a year ago came to America, and it is the best country so far! I cant wait until I become a citizen. And we wouldnt just replace a free country with a Dictator unless it was under extreme circumstances, you dont know what your talking about.
I admire your Patriotism, and I will admit that perhaps with that last post of mine I had been a bit to harsh on my country

If you dont know what the circumstances are tha dont talk!!! I dont know either but I do know this, I was born in Europe, moved to other place in Europe and about a year ago came to America, and it is the best country so far! I cant wait until I become a citizen. And we wouldnt just replace a free country with a Dictator unless it was under extreme circumstances, you dont know what your talking about.
if its a nice place to live doesn't mean the government is also nice
this is called generalization

actually if you look at the charities per capita the USA scores the lowest of every 1st world nation sometimes even lower than 2nd world nations (that means people who live in poverty give more money to poor people than US-citizens)

Id like to see the proof.

Id like to see the proof.
i dont have any proof on the internet but there is proof

Kuwait... Bah. Why did we even bother "liberating" a nation where the punishment for being gay is death. We should have liberated them on the condition that they democratise themselves.

Saudi-Arabia: What the first 5-or-so posters in this thread said.

China: They destabilise the global market, buy up all raw materials.
The good thing is the economic reforms. They do it slowly, seeing what Russia went through after '89.
They should keep their grubby paws off Tibet and give up on Taiwan. They just don't seem to understand that some people appreciate independence.

The U.S. :I don't think they're the enemy. Just some of the people on top.

actually if you look at the charities per capita the USA scores the lowest of every 1st world nation sometimes even lower than 2nd world nations (that means people who live in poverty give more money to poor people than US-citizens)

Your facts are incorrect. Intentionally incorrect facts have another term..lies. I give you the benefit of the doubt that yours are not intentional. The US is owed vast sums of money by third world nations. Not only that, but US efforts post WW2 rebuilt Europe. When our govt. gives money, which it gives more than any other govt., this also counts as citizens giving, as the govt uses citizens money(taxes)

I disagree with the original list of USA, PR China and Saudi Arabia.

The real axis of evil are the United States, Israel, North Korea and China. Each of these countries are on my list for largest threats to world peace.

If you dont know what the circumstances are tha dont talk!!! I dont know either but I do know this, I was born in Europe, moved to other place in Europe and about a year ago came to America, and it is the best country so far! I cant wait until I become a citizen. And we wouldnt just replace a free country with a Dictator unless it was under extreme circumstances, you dont know what your talking about.

It is wonderful to see true patriots. Perhaps only those who have seen the darker side of things, ever appreciate the light.

No, the USA is the greatest place on earth but China is evil and so is Saudi Arabia.
I want to see America invade saudi arabia and take all the oil.

Kuwait... Bah. Why did we even bother "liberating" a nation where the punishment for being gay is death. We should have liberated them on the condition that they democratise themselves.

Saudi-Arabia: What the first 5-or-so posters in this thread said.

China: They destabilise the global market, buy up all raw materials.
The good thing is the economic reforms. They do it slowly, seeing what Russia went through after '89.
They should keep their grubby paws off Tibet and give up on Taiwan. They just don't seem to understand that some people appreciate independence.

The U.S. :I don't think they're the enemy. Just some of the people on top.
i was talking about personal donations from the citizens itself
and its also a fact that in a phew years (i dunno which) the US spended more money on south korea's nuclear program than on developing the poor nations

No, the USA is the greatest place on earth but China is and so is Saudi Arabia.
I want to see America invade saudi arabia and take all the oil.
If we had truly been at war for the oil, this would have been extremely easy to do.

You will die a slow horrible painful death, you are all a bunch of snobs, you know what I really dont care what you say! My country is fine (without Bush) and personally I think yours will never be as close to as good as mine, you suck, and you probably use something everyday that was invented in America (electricity) why are we ignorant selfless jerks? Because were smart, and yeah, were so selfless that we give millions, even billions of dollars to charities such as feed the children and other orgs. that help out starving people, maybe the world hates us, but guess what? I hate YOU right back!

Actually a british scientist discovered how to control electricity (you found a few extra uses admitted) and we invented something so great that america would be brought to its knees without it. THE SANDWICH

i was talking about personal donations from the citizens itself
and its also a fact that in a phew years (i dunno which) the US spended more money on south korea's nuclear program than on developing the poor nations
Actually that is incorrect as well. The US does not wish either of the Koreas to have nuclear arms.

Actually that is incorrect as well. The US does not wish either of the Koreas to have nuclear arms.
they did in the 60's or 70's or another dat :P
lol i forgot the date but the US supported south-korea's nuclear program

Actually a british scientist discovered how to control electricity (you found a few extra uses admitted) and we invented something so great that america would be brought to its knees without it. THE SANDWICH
Ahhhh..I have to cede the sandwich :) God, the earl got screwed there, he should have made a fortune :)

(Little known fact: Saddam was placed into power by the USA to prevent a communist revolution in Iraq>)

Proof please. Saddam took over from his cousin when he resigned. Saddam was his head of security. Now...IF you have some information that proves otherwise, I would like to see it.

If we had truly been at war for the oil, this would have been extremely easy to do.

Yes, it would but it would cost thousands of lives on both sides and the president would have been voted out in a second.

Proof please. Saddam took over from his cousin when he resigned. Saddam was his head of security. Now...IF you have some information that proves otherwise, I would like to see it.
the US made it possible that the baath-party came to power
so indirectly they have actually given saddam the power

Yes, it would but it would cost thousands of lives on both sides and the president would have been voted out in a second.
no-one can vote that fast...

The Saudi government and its stupid "royal" family need to be smashed.

The U.S.A actually gave Saddam WMDs, trained their soldiers, gave them arms, equipment etc and they haven't tried to hide it either

actually if you look at the charities per capita the USA scores the lowest of every 1st world nation sometimes even lower than 2nd world nations (that means people who live in poverty give more money to poor people than US-citizens)

You might want to look at the graph near the end of this site....it blows your statement out of the water.

http://www.brunel.ac.uk/depts/ecf/research/official.pdf

The Saudi government and its stupid "royal" family need to be smashed.
the saudi government is the only reason why the middle east is a little more stabble
everybody listens to saudi, if you atack saudi, the muslims attack you and we get another holly war, but a much worse one

the US made it possible that the baath-party came to power
so indirectly they have actually given saddam the power

Show me this one too....they overthrew a General who overthrew a King.

Proof please. Saddam took over from his cousin when he resigned. Saddam was his head of security. Now...IF you have some information that proves otherwise, I would like to see it.
Actually Saddam took over in an extremely bloody coup. The US govt did not assist him, but did not stop him either. Then again, why would we? The Iraqi govt he overthrew was horrible with human rights atrocities. How were we to know he would be worse?
Communism had nothing to do with this btw. Communism was part of the reason for the US support of the Shah of Iran, there never was a communist threat to Iraq.

Largest Threat to World Peace: Nazis

That is why it was a good move to take down Nazi regimes like the US is doing.

This topic is one of the most distasteful I've seen. There's so many people who don't know what they're talking about. While you say that the US doesn't help anyone, they spend the most money out of any country every year helping people with AIDS.

The government is also overestimated as far as their "evil". They're just looking out for the good of the world. People who say this haven't had their country attacked on a large scale by the terrorists. Look at Russia. Originally they didn't think terrorism was as much of a problem as the US did, but now they were attacked so they do.

in total millions they only have the double of the netherlands :|

The U.S.A actually gave Saddam WMDs, trained their soldiers, gave them arms, equipment etc and they haven't tried to hide it either
We did not train Iraqi troops. We have never given ANY nation WMD. We did supply a very few arms for Iraq in their war with Iran..Iran had taken American hostages, and committed an Act of War against America(storming the embassy-US property)

Largest Threat to World Peace: Nazis

That is why it was a good move to take down Nazi regimes like the US is doing.

This topic is one of the most distasteful I've seen. There's so many people who don't know what they're talking about. While you say that the US doesn't help anyone, they spend the most money out of any country every year helping people with AIDS.

The government is also overestimated as far as their "evil". They're just looking out for the good of the world. People who say this haven't had their country attacked on a large scale by the terrorists. Look at Russia. Originally they didn't think terrorism was as much of a problem as the US did, but now they were attacked so they do.

i have read an article that the AIDS priogram is going so slowly beceause big company's earn more about HIV-remmers (dunno the english works) which only slows it
and if there is a remedy they dont earn that much money

last part is the same as the US the US was attacked and they started a war against terrorism before that there were a lot more terrorist-attacks in other nations

C'mon, the US is not truly evil. They are an overjealous country that have made many mistakes and will surely make more, but that doesn't really qualify as evil. They have also made a lot of good. In fact I would say that, all things considered, they're mostly good (although that doesn't excuse the bad stuff).

China, mmmh..., I wouldn't say they're evil either. Democratization and capitalism are making their way slowly but surely. Probably will overtake the US economically sometime this century. They do have territorial ambitions, especially for Korea and Tibet, but I hope that as free market and democracy take hold these ambitions will decrease.

Saudi Arabia. The House of Saud didn't use to be this bad, but they fell in with the wrong crowd. Religious extremism rules in Arabia and doesn't seem ready to go away anytime soon.

I don't think I could name a list of countries as an Axis of Evil, but rather nominate Extreme Disparity, Religious Extremism, and Lack of Education as the axis that causes evil.

Little known??.. Perhaps to the significant percentage of close-minded Americans who think they know everything when they are actually a bunch of ignorant, selfless jerks..
I find it ironic that the people most likely to call others morons don't know the difference between selfless and selfish.

in total millions they only have the double of the netherlands :|

So....your statement was wrong. Personally I don't think we should give anything. We do not need to be trying to solve the rest of the worlds problems. If they starve, it was meant to be. No other country will help us in the way we help out. It is time to stop all this nonsense.

You might want to look at the graph near the end of this site....it blows your statement out of the water.

http://www.brunel.ac.uk/depts/ecf/research/official.pdf
you just let me win the debate with that graph :rolleyes:

So....your statement was wrong. Personally I don't think we should give anything. We do not need to be trying to solve the rest of the worlds problems. If they starve, it was meant to be. No other country will help us in the way we help out. It is time to stop all this nonsense.
if you look at per capita i was right
the netherlands has 16 million citizens the US a phew billion
and they only have the double

You will die a slow horrible painful death, you are all a bunch of snobs, you know what I really dont care what you say! My country is fine (without Bush) and personally I think yours will never be as close to as good as mine, you suck, and you probably use something everyday that was invented in America (electricity) why are we ignorant selfless jerks? Because were smart, and yeah, were so selfless that we give millions, even billions of dollars to charities such as feed the children and other orgs. that help out starving people, maybe the world hates us, but guess what? I hate YOU right back!
england invented time so screw u

last part is the same as the US the US was attacked and they started a war against terrorism before that there were a lot more terrorist-attacks in other nations

I don't recall any of those attacks being as bad as the attacks on 9/11.

Actually Saddam took over in an extremely bloody coup. The US govt did not assist him, but did not stop him either. Then again, why would we? The Iraqi govt he overthrew was horrible with human rights atrocities. How were we to know he would be worse?
Communism had nothing to do with this btw. Communism was part of the reason for the US support of the Shah of Iran, there never was a communist threat to Iraq.
Well to be exact, the US' CIA and UK's MI6 organised a coup against the Iranian PM, Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 so the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi could consolidate his power. He banned opposition parties, and was especially harsh to communists, killing a great number of them. In 1979, Khomeini kicked his arse out to 'free' the people from his persecution. Then the US needed a new pawn in the area to fight Iran, and that was Iraq, the US gave Saddam the technical know-how to build WMDs, not WMDs themselves.

I don't recall any of those attacks being as bad as the attacks on 9/11.
thats true, but it still as worse as 9/11

if you look at per capita i was right
the netherlands has 16 million citizens the US a phew billion
and they only have the double

You really know nothing about the US do you? A few BILLION people? No country has that many people....

Thats OFFICIAL aid you are looking at....look at PRIVATE aid

2,671,000,000 for the US

158,000,000 for the netherlands.

You do the math.....thats money from the citizens.

be very careful wht u say about china they have peaple constantly monitering the internet :mad: freedom of speach my @ss

You really know nothing about the US do you? A few BILLION people? No country has that many people....

Thats OFFICIAL aid you are looking at....look at PRIVATE aid

2,671,000,000 for the US

158,000,000 for the netherlands.

You do the math.....thats money from the citizens.
yes i do math but even if the US has only 1 billion citizens
than they pay phewer money in private aid than the netherlands

be very careful wht u say about china they have peaple constantly monitering the internet :mad: freedom of speach my @ss
Yes and the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia operate the Echelon system. Designed to record and analyse your phone calls, e-mails, faxes etc. all in the name of 'fighting terrorism'.

Yes and the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia operate the Echelon system. Designed to record and analyse your phone calls, e-mails, faxes etc. all in the name of 'fighting terrorism'.
they already do that for years...

yes i do math but even if the US has only 1 billion citizens
than they pay phewer money in private aid than the netherlands
The US has less than 300 million...

they already do that for years...
Yea, its scary. The reason for keeping it just changes as times change, first it was for watching the Ruskies, now its Osama and Co.


Would anyone here agree that Israel is the #1 threat to World Peace? Think about it for a minute, their position, nuclear arsenal, etc.

Yea, its scary. The reason for keeping it just changes as times change, first it was for watching the Ruskies, now its Osama and Co.


Would anyone here agree that Israel is the #1 threat to World Peace? Think about it for a minute, their position, nuclear arsenal, etc.
i dont think 1 nation is an absolute threat to the world at this moment, but an alliance of nations... yes

yes i do math but even if the US has only 1 billion citizens
than they pay phewer money in private aid than the netherlands


280 million does not nearly a billion make.

Yea, its scary. The reason for keeping it just changes as times change, first it was for watching the Ruskies, now its Osama and Co.


Would anyone here agree that Israel is the #1 threat to World Peace? Think about it for a minute, their position, nuclear arsenal, etc.
I thought aggressors would be threats to world peace. Places like Jordan and North Korea. Not the powerful countries that get attacked for no reason.

280 million does not nearly a billion make.
uhm, i dont understand that sentance?
it might be beceause of my bad english...
please elaborate

I thought aggressors would be threats to world peace. Places like Jordan and North Korea. Not the powerful countries that get attacked for no reason.
are you saying the US and israel are attacked for NO reason?

are you saying the US and israel are attacked for NO reason?
Biff is saying the US has 280 million people, rather than the billions you seem to think it does. And yes, the US and Israel were attacked for no reason meriting violence.

Biff is saying the US has 280 million people, rather than the billions you seem to think it does. And yes, the US and Israel were attacked for no reason meriting violence.
lol, i dunno anything about how many citizens th US has, and i'm really lazy in calculating if they pay more in private funds or not
and no, israel is attacked beceause they chased away the palestinians
and the US is attacked beceause of they're position towards the world
but now i cant discuss this any further (sorry)
and i'm going to sleep

lol, i dunno anything about how many citizens th US has, and i'm really lazy in calculating if they pay more in private funds or not
and no, israel is attacked beceause they chased away the palestinians
and the US is attacked beceause of they're position towards the world
but now i cant discuss this any further (sorry)
and i'm going to sleep
Israel was attacked the day it was declared a country. Most Palestinians fled for safety. The remaining Palestinians were removed after Israel single-handed kicked the collective asses of half the Arab world, since Israel thought they were a security threat. And judging by their suihomocidal tendencies, they are.

You will die a slow horrible painful death, you are all a bunch of snobs, you know what I really dont care what you say! My country is fine (without Bush) and personally I think yours will never be as close to as good as mine, you suck, and you probably use something everyday that was invented in America (electricity) why are we ignorant selfless jerks? Because were smart, and yeah, were so selfless that we give millions, even billions of dollars to charities such as feed the children and other orgs. that help out starving people, maybe the world hates us, but guess what? I hate YOU right back!

1) Electricity was not invented in the US.
2) If you take away a kid's lollipop and give it back when the kid starts crying, it doesn't count as "making the kid feel better so that it doesn't cry anymore".

Now, if you're so smart, I'm sure you'll figure out the answer to the question that will obviously spring from 1) above. When you're done with that, you could consider if having a military budget larger than the rest of the world combined causes more hunger and pain than it removes.

280 million does not nearly [make] a billion--.

Don't we (we being the US) have 344 million? It doesn't change the facts that much but I'm pretty sure we have more than 280.

Yea, its scary. The reason for keeping it just changes as times change, first it was for watching the Ruskies, now its Osama and Co.


Would anyone here agree that Israel is the #1 threat to World Peace? Think about it for a minute, their position, nuclear arsenal, etc.

I'd say personally that the United States itself is the biggset threat to the world actually being at peace. I mean, if the people in the world can't do as they like (turn communist, etc etc), then are they really at peace? NO. They're just living in fear of the United States, and that in itself could almost be a form of terrorism.

No you definitely have less than 300. Maybe that other figure you have is the whole North American continent.

As for the axis, well, what can I say, the Far Right, the Church of Scientology and capitalizm (note z) spring to mind

I'd say personally that the United States itself is the biggset threat to the world actually being at peace. I mean, if the people in the world can't do as they like (turn communist, etc etc), then are they really at peace? NO. They're just living in fear of the United States, and that in itself could almost be a form of terrorism.

Of course, but noone will ever do anything about that. Who cares how many thousands the US have killed, it's how many A are killed that matters these days

you dont know what your talking about.
But of course you do.

I'd say personally that the United States itself is the biggset threat to the world actually being at peace. I mean, if the people in the world can't do as they like (turn communist, etc etc), then are they really at peace? NO. They're just living in fear of the United States, and that in itself could almost be a form of terrorism.
Peace is the absense of war. In that sense, the US has done more for peace than all the nations on earth combined.

No other country will help us in the way we help out.

And thank goodness for that! One country waging war on anyone sitting on their oil pipes is more than enough.

I am NOT american, but i disagree that America is evil. Like us the Brits they are strong and not scared to do what it takes to rid the world if evil and terror. But to Make the world safe all Muslims must be killed.

Peace is the absense of war. In that sense, the US has done more for peace than all the nations on earth combined.

So the cold war was... what?

I thought aggressors would be threats to world peace. Places like Jordan and North Korea. Not the powerful countries that get attacked for no reason.

Jordan?? Have I missed something in the news? Jordan is one of the more progressive states in the Middle East. When did it become an "aggressor"?

As for North Korea... Please. That's just scare-mongering propaganda. North Korea is in no state to be a threat to anyone. It relies massively on international aid just to keep its population alive (1 in 3 North Koreans would starve if international aid ceased). Plus they have no allies to back them up if they became aggressive (China definitely wouldn't). Kim isn't suicidal.

Needless religious intolerance. Kill all Judaeic faiths (jews, christians, muslims) as the doctrine is fundamentelly flawed at the core. And take out the far right while we're at it, and include far nationalist groups in that as well.

And since when was any talk of "axis of evil" what it takes to get rid of international terror? We and the Americans have done almost nothing apart from get rid of a few training camps in Afghanistan

I am NOT american, but i disagree that America is evil. Like us the Brits they are strong and not scared to do what it takes to rid the world if evil and terror. But to Make the world safe all Muslims must be killed.

Well, what a lovely contribution to the fora for your first post.

But to Make the world safe all Muslims must be killed.

What kind of rhetoric do you think they use? Thaaaat's right. The exact same only the other way around. Does any of them bring price? If so, which one and why?

Peace is the absense of war. In that sense, the US has done more for peace than all the nations on earth combined.

Actually, the United States doesn't try to actually STOP any wars....they just kill people until they can win them, and then the war will be over. But it's not necessarily peaceful. Like, after World War 1, there was no more war, but you couldn't exactly call it peace, with the mess that Germany was in, could you?

Of course, but noone will ever do anything about that. Who cares how many thousands the US have killed, it's how many A are killed that matters these days

Yeah, I know! I've noticed lately that it always reports, like, how many Americans have been killed over in Iraq and it's, like, this horrible thing and stuff, but it never talks about how many people in Iraq are being killed, and when they're being killed, the United States generally sees it as a good thing (if it's someone that the US doesn't like).

I am NOT american, but i disagree that America is evil. Like us the Brits they are strong and not scared to do what it takes to rid the world if evil and terror. But to Make the world safe all Muslims must be killed.
Dude, what's your problem?
People like you should be banned from this earth! :headbang:

I don't recall any of those attacks being as bad as the attacks on 9/11.

Interesting contest, you guys have here. Let me know how it works out.

The absense of war also meaning the absense of outright war as the US has only picked on countries that are no threat to them, so you can't class them as real wars

The absense of war also meaning the absense of outright war as the US has only picked on countries that are no threat to them, so you can't class them as real wars

I think that you can classify anything as a real war if it involves guns and mass amounts of death between two or more countries, no matter how blindsighted the United States or other countries were when they declared them.

And I always though the Axis of Dr. Evil was Starbucks and Microsoft. :p

And I always though the Axis of Dr. Evil was Starbucks and Microsoft. :p

Well, if you think about it technically, they could be. I mean, large corporations like that, americanising the world, making much too much money and just hoarding it for themselves other than donating it to those who really need it...eeevil!

So the cold war was... what?

One of the longest periods in our(world) history without a major global war.

In any case, how was the cold war soley the US' fault? 2 superpowers with conflicting ideologies coupled with technology(nuclear weapons) to end all life. I would say it worked out pretty well in the end.

This is what I dont understand about my country - all because foreginers thought communism actually had a shot at working, our government goes and overthrows nice, free governments in exchange for dictatorships (like w/Pinochet in Chile). WHY DO THEY DO THIS?Because free governments tend not to be good for "business", specifically the large corperations that have an undue influence on politics in the United States, and much of the western world. NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement) for instance was quite unpopular in Canda, but somehow got ratified anyway. There appears to be a rise in "free-market fundamentalism", that free-markets are universally good, and further conflates free markets with democracy and freedom. It just isn't so. And furthermore, free-markets tend to be defined in such a way as to be benefitial to large corperations. Communist governments tend not to be good for "business" as communist countries tend to trade within seperate blocs than the west. But China appears to be becoming an exception, and notice how the attitude of "the U.S" towards China is mellowing. (they also tend to be rather nasty oppresive totalitarian states, but that's beside this particular point).
There are actually a number of measures to attack protectionist and socialist impulses. Between western countries there are free-trade agreements, which tend to define things like environmental protection laws as trade barriers, and hence illegal. For many third-world countries, the World Bank has the countries over a barrel due to debt, and so can dictate government policy. There is also a war of ideas, with a promotion of what I called "free-maket fundamentalism" above. And then there is war, covert or overt.

Now there is nothing at all wrong with trade. There has been a great deal of world-wide trade for a couple of centuries, and much of it very beneficial. It is the content of current trade agreements that is problematic. Free markets I would assert are very bad for the general well-being of citizens, as are command economies. Mixed economies look like they work best, albeit with problems with corruption.

In short, money buys policy in your government, and to a lesser extent in western governments in general. And those with money buy policy that benefits them.

The axis of evil is the Banking Families/Illuminati ... bringing in total world domination via the Hegelian dialectic process.

Thesis (US, Christianity and Democracy), Antithesis (Communist/Socialist Nations and Islam), and Synthesis (The NWO).

The players (nations) at any given time depend on the current Synthesis needed to bring the Powers that Be closer to their ultimate goal... World Domination.

This process has been used for hundreds of years. You can read about it in the writings and journals of most important historical figures over the last hundred years or so.

One of the longest periods in our(world) history without a major global war.

In any case, how was the cold war soley the US' fault? 2 superpowers with conflicting ideologies coupled with technology(nuclear weapons) to end all life. I would say it worked out pretty well in the end.

It's true that there was no actual physical warfare in the cold war, and that was a very VERY good thing, but I wouldn't necessarily say that the cold war worked out pretty well in the end.

I mean, both the United States and the USSR spent much too much money developing their nuclear weapons, where they could have spent that money doing things for the people like a government SHOULD be doing, and the fact that the United States won it basically gives birth to that whole crap about "communism is good in theory, but it just doesn't work in real life." It defeated the people's hope in a better life, which is what communism gave them.

But I will agree that it was very good that there was no blowing-up-of-de-world.

It's true that there was no actual physical warfare in the cold war, and that was a very VERY good thing, but I wouldn't necessarily say that the cold war worked out pretty well in the end.

I mean, both the United States and the USSR spent much too much money developing their nuclear weapons, where they could have spent that money doing things for the people like a government SHOULD be doing, and the fact that the United States won it basically gives birth to that whole crap about "communism is good in theory, but it just doesn't work in real life." It defeated the people's hope in a better life, which is what communism gave them.

But I will agree that it was very good that there was no blowing-up-of-de-world.

Im not going to address the communism thing because 1) its there is/was another thread for it and 2) If you truly believe that communism/socialism makes peoples lives better then you havent seen what I have and its unlikely we will find common ground.

as to the govts spending money on the arms race instead of other things, what other solution was there? The 2 superpowers were based on radically differant ideas. They could not have co existed. If nuclear arms were not there, it probably would have been a long bloody conventional war.

Im not going to address the communism thing because 1) its there is/was another thread for it and 2) If you truly believe that communism/socialism makes peoples lives better then you havent seen what I have and its unlikely we will find common ground.

as to the govts spending money on the arms race instead of other things, what other solution was there? The 2 superpowers were based on radically differant ideas. They could not have co existed. If nuclear arms were not there, it probably would have been a long bloody conventional war.

I doubt that we will find common ground on that subject, which I'm not going to touch here because there is another thread for that.

And I'm not suggesting that there were other things that they could have done, having an American Capitalist society and a Stalinist society attempting to coexist. I'm just saying that it wasn't necessarily a GOOD thing, because other people will argue that it led to more developed weapons technology, blah blah blah.

China is a Leninist-Market System...hardly an Axis of Evil

USA is a Representitive Democracy-Market...hardly an Axis of Evil

Saudi Arabia is an absolute theocracy Monarch...and sinec Brunei is one as well you have to state more than that...

Saudia Arabian princes have become victim to their own political game. Always condemned America and was always condemned by Bin Laden. Now they have fundamentalist uprises and they look like idiots. Unintended Consequences if you ask me. However, if you know how they are...NOT an AXis of Evil...

Bush named the right three nations originally. Now there are only 2. Whoever suggest the three in this topic is I gather a member of Berkely or possible Vermont U.

One of the longest periods in our(world) history without a major global war.

In any case, how was the cold war soley the US' fault? 2 superpowers with conflicting ideologies coupled with technology(nuclear weapons) to end all life. I would say it worked out pretty well in the end.

It's amazing how people hear what they want to hear. I never said that the cold war was the US' fault. I merely objected to peace being defined as absence of war. I don't think the guys in those missile silos felt it was peace time.

We did not train Iraqi troops. We have never given ANY nation WMD. We did supply a very few arms for Iraq in their war with Iran..Iran had taken American hostages, and committed an Act of War against America(storming the embassy-US property)

You supplied many powerful arms to Iraq and your defense minister publicaly admitted it.

yknow what? any two countries can co-exist. its a matter of wanting to. quite simply if i had to point a finger at who was responsible for the cold war, it would be at the US. this wouldnt be the first time america has been an international asshole. allow me to give several examples of this:

-the "revolutionary war" (in fact a small peice of the "seven years war"): america, in its lack of respect for the british, the ones who allowed them to exist as colonies in the first place, decided to NOT pay taxes. not because they were particularly poor, an no, not because of taxation without representation, quite simply because they ignorantly ignored their "mother country" and decided they didnt want to pay taxes, like a child who simply refuses to do chores, the parents must seek proper punishments. but britian was far more than just a parent, it was an empire. every time the colonists decided to NOT pay taxes, the british had to install new "outrageous" taxes just to make ends meet. empires cost a lot of money, and the french and indian war had put a big hole in the british funds. seeking aide to get out of debt, it seemed only fitting to get their money from the people they were protecting. basically the americans brought the taxes on themselves. (that and the american colonies were actually taxed the least of all the british colonies, jamaica being the most, but britian more so than any of its colonies). and then america only won the war anyway because they didnt abide to the preset european rules of chivalry while on the battlefeild.

-the native american xenocide: at one point in american history, america nearly wiped a good race of people off the face of the earth. this was no simple war. it happened over a period of time, and at one point the term was coined that "the only good indian is a dead indian". it was evil phrases and doings like that that nearly killed all the native americans. its in some way worse than nazi germany, because someone at least STOPPED nazi germany.

-the start of WW1: the concept of the berlin conference was the idea that there was simply put: so much land on the planet, that if it was all divided up, and the nations in charge expanded and developed the land they were given, war could be averted or postponed for at least one hundred years. however, america, feeling short-changed from their work in the berlin conference(they gained practically nothing.) ran a two-year study to find out which country they could invade with the least output, while gaining the most input, as well as get a foothold on asia for things such as trade. after the two year study, their report told them that spain was the "toothless tiger", and so america invaded the phillipines and guam, taking over the spanish lands (the president of the US actually made up a cover story, calling the inhabitants his "little brown friends"). america lost a total of two soldiers in the invasion, neither were from spanish bullets(both died from dehydration as they fired battleship gun turrets). this invasion caused a rippling affect, which broke all the main treaties set in the berlin conference, basically waving the green flag to begin conquering land once again to other nations.

-WW2 (specificaly the pacific conflict -aka the war with japan-): the element of surprise was not wasted by the japanese as they attacked pearl harbour, destroying much of the american armada. japanese internment camps followed, regardless of how patriotic some american citizens were, if they had japanese blood in them, they were put in the camps. many died from dehydration, lack of good living quarters, heat exhaustion, some even from being needlessly shot by cruel american soldiers, among other things. as if that wasnt bad enough, america then later on goes and uses TWO NUCLEAR WEAPONS. hiroshima and nagasaki were reduced to ashes, its hundreds of thousands of CIVILIAN inhabitants destroyed in minutes. those in the immeadiate area that survived got radiation poisoning. at least pearl harbor was an attack on military units, and not innocent civilians like america slaughtered. as if that wasnt bad enough, this useage of nukes caused a rippling effect on the rest of the world, which can be tied to the cold war, and even disregarding that, now no one can go to war, because if they do, nukes will go flying, killing thousands.

-the invasion of grenada: there isnt much to the invasion of grenada. america, wanting to flaunt its power, invaded the harmless country of grenada.

there are many other reasons why i dont like america, these are just a few.

--The Wentworthian Hegemon

Yes, it would but it would cost thousands of lives on both sides and the president would have been voted out in a second.
Actually it would have cost less than a hundred US lives, the Saudi military is trained by US, and capable, but they use US weapons which are not as good as our front line weapons, and they would have been outnumbered along the lines of 8:1.. betting odds for sure.

yknow what? any two countries can co-exist. its a matter of wanting to. quite simply if i had to point a finger at who was responsible for the cold war, it would be at the US. this wouldnt be the first time america has been an international asshole. allow me to give several examples of this:

-the "revolutionary war" (in fact a small peice of the "seven years war"): america, in its lack of respect for the british, the ones who allowed them to exist as colonies in the first place, decided to NOT pay taxes. not because they were particularly poor, an no, not because of taxation without representation, quite simply because they ignorantly ignored their "mother country" and decided they didnt want to pay taxes, like a child who simply refuses to do chores, the parents must seek proper punishments. but britian was far more than just a parent, it was an empire. every time the colonists decided to NOT pay taxes, the british had to install new "outrageous" taxes just to make ends meet. empires cost a lot of money, and the french and indian war had put a big hole in the british funds. seeking aide to get out of debt, it seemed only fitting to get their money from the people they were protecting. basically the americans brought the taxes on themselves. (that and the american colonies were actually taxed the least of all the british colonies, jamaica being the most, but britian more so than any of its colonies). and then america only won the war anyway because they didnt abide to the preset european rules of chivalry while on the battlefeild.

-the native american xenocide: at one point in american history, america nearly wiped a good race of people off the face of the earth. this was no simple war. it happened over a period of time, and at one point the term was coined that "the only good indian is a dead indian". it was evil phrases and doings like that that nearly killed all the native americans. its in some way worse than nazi germany, because someone at least STOPPED nazi germany.

-the start of WW1: the concept of the berlin conference was the idea that there was simply put: so much land on the planet, that if it was all divided up, and the nations in charge expanded and developed the land they were given, war could be averted or postponed for at least one hundred years. however, america, feeling short-changed from their work in the berlin conference(they gained practically nothing.) ran a two-year study to find out which country they could invade with the least output, while gaining the most input, as well as get a foothold on asia for things such as trade. after the two year study, their report told them that spain was the "toothless tiger", and so america invaded the phillipines and guam, taking over the spanish lands (the president of the US actually made up a cover story, calling the inhabitants his "little brown friends"). america lost a total of two soldiers in the invasion, neither were from spanish bullets(both died from dehydration as they fired battleship gun turrets). this invasion caused a rippling affect, which broke all the main treaties set in the berlin conference, basically waving the green flag to begin conquering land once again to other nations.

-WW2 (specificaly the pacific conflict -aka the war with japan-): the element of surprise was not wasted by the japanese as they attacked pearl harbour, destroying much of the american armada. japanese internment camps followed, regardless of how patriotic some american citizens were, if they had japanese blood in them, they were put in the camps. many died from dehydration, lack of good living quarters, heat exhaustion, some even from being needlessly shot by cruel american soldiers, among other things. as if that wasnt bad enough, america then later on goes and uses TWO NUCLEAR WEAPONS. hiroshima and nagasaki were reduced to ashes, its hundreds of thousands of CIVILIAN inhabitants destroyed in minutes. those in the immeadiate area that survived got radiation poisoning. at least pearl harbor was an attack on military units, and not innocent civilians like america slaughtered. as if that wasnt bad enough, this useage of nukes caused a rippling effect on the rest of the world, which can be tied to the cold war, and even disregarding that, now no one can go to war, because if they do, nukes will go flying, killing thousands.

-the invasion of grenada: there isnt much to the invasion of grenada. america, wanting to flaunt its power, invaded the harmless country of grenada.

there are many other reasons why i dont like america, these are just a few.

--The Wentworthian Hegemon

Your points are wrong almost from the start.. I will partially concede the Revolution..though you would insist the British had the right of empire, the same right you go on to use as one reason for disliking the USA.
Native Americans..yes, in alot of ways they got the short end as well. This was begun however by the same British Empire you defended in the first example.
The Spanish American War, was NOT an invasion of the Phillipines. And it was long before WW1. The Spanish attacked US forces, trying to relive their glory days. The attack happened in Cuba, with losses on both sides, despite poor overall performance by the 2 fleets involved. The Phillipines and Cuba were ceded to the US by the defeated Spanish.\
WW2..Yes, again partially correct. Japanese Americans were mistreated sadly. They have since received at least monetary compensation , although no money really can make up for this. As far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki...the alternative would have been the bloody invasion desired by European leaders, with many many more thousands killed. As a professional soldier myself, I wish Atomic arms had never been invented as well, but you include a sad sounding statement that"now no one can declare war" because of nuclear arms..this would be a good point.
The cold war, my country rebuilt Europe under the Marshall plan, a shattered continent was made into a thriving economy again. My grandfather lost his life on the beaches of France also, along with many other Americans, as we put the Japanese on"back burner" to fight a war that really was not ours in Europe, then still turned around to defeat the Japanese, who were truly defeated long before the Atomic blasts by the way.
Lastly the invasion of Grenada..
a regime there decided to hold American medical students as hostages, we were well within our rights in A) restoring the ELECTED leader of that island nation, and B) rescuing American civilians

You supplied many powerful arms to Iraq and your defense minister publicaly admitted it.
Our Sec of Def never admitted any such th ing as it didn't happen. I saw action in both Iraq wars, and never saw an American piece of equipt, alot of French equipt, alot of former Soviet and current Russian equipt, and scatterings of other various suppliers. We never ran into even one American rifle.

yes i do math but even if the US has only 1 billion citizens
than they pay phewer money in private aid than the netherlands
You still know nothing about the US..we have only one quarter of one billion citizens.

I'd say personally that the United States itself is the biggset threat to the world actually being at peace. I mean, if the people in the world can't do as they like (turn communist, etc etc), then are they really at peace? NO. They're just living in fear of the United States, and that in itself could almost be a form of terrorism.
Most people in the world who actually have BEEN communist were quite eager to get out of it.. communist countries do not let the people CHOOSE to be communist. Many German citizens were willing to be shot for the chance ot escape communism, many Cuban citizens every year die trying to escape to the USA away from communism, many Vietnamese citizens die in makeshift boats as well trying to flee..communism has NEVER been the choice of educated people. This was why in Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Soviet Union there were bloody purges of educated teacher, professors, doctors, etc.

Well, if you think about it technically, they could be. I mean, large corporations like that, americanising the world, making much too much money and just hoarding it for themselves other than donating it to those who really need it...eeevil!

Hey f u man. thats like saying seattle, Washington is a satan spawn.
this is you :mp5: the axis of evil is clearly major league baseball, Major league lacross, and horse races. oh oh oh oh oh oh oh dont forget aol, one of the crapiest things ever

And thank goodness for that! One country waging war on anyone sitting on their oil pipes is more than enough.
We waged war to free Iraqi people, the vast majority of which are grateful. We deposed a dictator who executed countless thousands of his own people for the sin of having an opinion different from his own. We destroyed an arsenal that used WMD - gas artillery against his own Kurdish population in an effort to exterminate them.
I have been on the ground in Iraq, and it amazes me how so many uninformed people from thousands of miles away can generalize how wrong this war was. Then I remember..ahhhh, the food for oil deal..how many corrupt European governments, and businesses, profitted from the status quo in Iraq. The US never has depended on Mideast oil. This is a common fallacy. If we had been so evil though, we would have taken it. I was there in 1991 when only US forces stood between the Iraqi "million man army" and a defenseless Saudi Arabia. If we had wanted oil, we would have had the ability right ten and there to get it. Instead we liberated an Arab regime. Then we fought in Bosnia on the side of muslim Bosnia against Serbia..still we are said to be anti-Islamic or whatever. And for the dunces who suggest Israel as a threat to world peace..If they were to lower their military readiness, their neighbors would be only to happy to eradicate them. They are attacked inside their country, not military targets, but "soft" targets, busses full of children, etc, by gutless terrorists with no respect even for their own religion.

It's amazing how people hear what they want to hear. I never said that the cold war was the US' fault. I merely objected to peace being defined as absence of war. I don't think the guys in those missile silos felt it was peace time.
I am sure you never spent a second defending your country, so it is likely you have no idea how "those guys" felt. I can assure you that while ready for war, they remained among the most happy people on the planet that there was peace, as they would have been the first primary targets.

Needless religious intolerance. Kill all Judaeic faiths (jews, christians, muslims) as the doctrine is fundamentelly flawed at the core. And take out the far right while we're at it, and include far nationalist groups in that as well.

And since when was any talk of "axis of evil" what it takes to get rid of international terror? We and the Americans have done almost nothing apart from get rid of a few training camps in Afghanistan
Actually we got rid of training camps in Iraq as well.

Ok, I have sat out of this one for too long...
#1. Many here have posted from Denmark, Britain, and Holland about how "Big and Bad" the United States is, but honestly, the US is the only reason you dont have to salute the swatika. My grandfather's generation put their ass on the line for you guys, and frankly I see you all as very cynical and angry. Maybe it's because you are so distanced from the WW2 generation or maybe it's because with the exception of a few(Britain of course), your countrymen couldnt defend themselves. You owe us a debt of gratitude, whether you want to admit it or not.
#2. Iraqi deaths have been estimated at anywhere from 8-15 thousand, which is very high. Under Hussain, more than 30 thousand people were killed each year. It may not be a perfect situation at the moment, but Iraq is better off now.
#3. The US could not have sat out of the Cold War. If you have a wolf outside your door, you get the gun, you do not invite him in.
#4. Hiroshima and Nagasaki - It was a sad thing to use the bomb on these two cities, but you MUST remember, Japan was explicitly warned beforehand. They were given seceral chances to surrender. They refused. A conventional assualt on the Japanese mainland would have cost one MILLION US lives and even more Japanese. By using the bomb, casualties were cut dramatically.

Finally, I do not believe that this country can do no wrong. I am not a jingoist or a naive moron. Yet, I am proud of my nation, even with it's faults. We have made a positive impact on the world, whether or not you would like to admit it. The US makes big statements but they back them up with actions. I have yet to see a Danish or Dutch equivalence.

Yes Iraq is much better off, and most of their citizens know this as well. I have seen many happy Iraqis, glad to be able to have a say in their future. As for the insurgency going on there right now, most of the insurgents are either A) not Iraqi..in which case MANY have been al Q, or B) former members of the ruling dictatorship who no longer have a monopoly of power and wish for a return to the old days.

Are all of you America bashers having fun yet? Do any of you care to explain how your country is so much better? :rolleyes:

Your points are wrong almost from the start.. I will partially concede the Revolution..though you would insist the British had the right of empire, the same right you go on to use as one reason for disliking the USA.
Native Americans..yes, in alot of ways they got the short end as well. This was begun however by the same British Empire you defended in the first example.
The Spanish American War, was NOT an invasion of the Phillipines. And it was long before WW1. The Spanish attacked US forces, trying to relive their glory days. The attack happened in Cuba, with losses on both sides, despite poor overall performance by the 2 fleets involved. The Phillipines and Cuba were ceded to the US by the defeated Spanish.\
WW2..Yes, again partially correct. Japanese Americans were mistreated sadly. They have since received at least monetary compensation , although no money really can make up for this. As far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki...the alternative would have been the bloody invasion desired by European leaders, with many many more thousands killed. As a professional soldier myself, I wish Atomic arms had never been invented as well, but you include a sad sounding statement that"now no one can declare war" because of nuclear arms..this would be a good point.
The cold war, my country rebuilt Europe under the Marshall plan, a shattered continent was made into a thriving economy again. My grandfather lost his life on the beaches of France also, along with many other Americans, as we put the Japanese on"back burner" to fight a war that really was not ours in Europe, then still turned around to defeat the Japanese, who were truly defeated long before the Atomic blasts by the way.
Lastly the invasion of Grenada..
a regime there decided to hold American medical students as hostages, we were well within our rights in A) restoring the ELECTED leader of that island nation, and B) rescuing American civilians


-i wasnt defending britian, or empire, i was only speaking about the wrongdoings of america. as for britain starting the misdoings to native americans? yes, they mistreated them, but theres a big difference between mistreatment and xenocide. xenocide was entirly done by the americans, and it was done long after the british left.
-japan hadnt already been defeated, and EVEN if it had, it was their right as human beings to fight for what they beleived in in an honorable and chivalrous way. america, nor any other country for that matter, has the right to slaughter millions in the "blink of an eye"
-the invasion of phillipines and guam(start of ww1) actually DID start ww1. my reasonings for it are in my last post. its FACT. deal with it.
-the invasion of grenada was also exactly what i said it was.
-basically your the end result of americas attempt to brainwash you into loyal americans. "history is written by the winners" but that doesnt make it the truth. im sorry youve been so misinformed. i suppose everyone looks at history from their own perspective.

--Wentworthian Hegemon

axis of evil = nonsense

No, just Bush, the Saud family, and the Chinese government. There's no use calling an entire country evil, just the rulers. I'm sure anyone who visits America, will learn, we don't have horns juting out of our heads, and hoofs for feet, and our land is not black from aicd rain, with a with a yellow sky, and a red sun, with factory smoke pouring off in the distanse. Only real differance is climate, and America has lot more space than Europe, and we love our wide open space.

Saudi Arabia most def. Now, I wont be ignorant to the fact that there is dirty dealing behind our government but the USA fucking rocks. Fuck all you haters.

-i wasnt defending britian, or empire, i was only speaking about the wrongdoings of america. as for britain starting the misdoings to native americans? yes, they mistreated them, but theres a big difference between mistreatment and xenocide. xenocide was entirly done by the americans, and it was done long after the british left.
-japan hadnt already been defeated, and EVEN if it had, it was their right as human beings to fight for what they beleived in in an honorable and chivalrous way. america, nor any other country for that matter, has the right to slaughter millions in the "blink of an eye"
-the invasion of phillipines and guam(start of ww1) actually DID start ww1. my reasonings for it are in my last post. its FACT. deal with it.
-the invasion of grenada was also exactly what i said it was.
-basically your the end result of americas attempt to brainwash you into loyal americans. "history is written by the winners" but that doesnt make it the truth. im sorry youve been so misinformed. i suppose everyone looks at history from their own perspective.

--Wentworthian Hegemon
The causes of WW1, are known in fact in EVERY history book, as the assasination of the Archduke of Austria-Hungarian Empire by a Serbian nationalist. Your**fact** is not even close considering there WAS no invasion of the Phillipines by American forces. I hail from a military family who has members who have fought and bled in nearly every war this nation has fought. The Spanish American War---look it up fella. it was in 1898. The First World War , caused by Europeans still stuck on Empire, was begun in 1914.
Second, you claim the right of the Japanese(aggressors in WW2, who murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Chinese civilians in Nanking, just for one historically easy to find fact) to fight for what they believed in. I grant that actually...yet you condemn American forces for doing the same after we were attacked. We did not willingly go into ANY war, INCLUDING the wars of the Europeans, where twice last century we bailed most of Europe out, in fights that should have had nothing to do with us.
As for the native Americans, yes, it is a sad chapter in my nations history, do not act as if your nation has had no such chapters, the history of EVERY European nation is red with the blood of those who were "different"..heretics, the Scottish patriots killed by British, the Hundred year War fought ,countless wars against people fought for religion, etc. I do not hold these examples in history as a reason to dislike Europeans, but it is laughable that a European would hold history as a reason to dislike my nation, which was born to give the oppressed of the world a chance. How many millions have fled Europe and Asia and Africa and found better lives here? Countless.
Also Japan, had not already been defeated. My phrase was wrong. However, their navy had been sunk, almost in entirity. Their Army would have been able to fight city to city on the Japanese mainland, for possibly a year.
Lastly, you of course would not know Jack about the invasion of Grenada. I assume you were still in diapers, or else not an avid listener of news. Perhaps you should talk to people who were there.

I agree but the axil of evil is better with Israel as the third nation, not China (wich is a small bad guy compared to the US)

I agree but the axil of evil is better with Israel as the third nation, not China (wich is a small bad guy compared to the US)

Of course...why would a nation that only last week denied its citizens the right to choose their future be part of the axis of evil over a nation that millions flock to for our freedoms every year...horse rubbish

l over a nation that millions flock to for our freedoms every year...horse rubbish

You really believe that shit? Come to the free world (Europe) to get the feeling of having critics on leaders witouth losing your job or being thrown in jail (like in the US)

BTW, I wish you a good life and social healthcare ;)
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We waged war to free Iraqi people, .

Wow, wich planet are you living on? Come out of the Texan cave. :rolleyes:

Wow, wich planet are you living on? Come out of the Texan cave. :rolleyes:


I am one of the people who waged that war. I received heartfelt thanks from hundreds of Iraqis. Perhaps it is you , many miles away from it, who has a distorted view. Also, NOBODY in the US who disagrees with our govt is imprisoned, not sure where you get that, that was one reason for the founding of our nation, because in Europe they WERE arrested and killed for disagreeing.
For the record, whatever the governments reasons for the war, the soldiers who fought it were fighting to rid the Iraqi people of an evil dictator.
Personally, I believe the governments reasons were just. We acted in accordance with 3 UN resolutions. However, the government did not "fight" the war, the soldiers did, and we did fight to free the Iraqis.

You really believe that shit? Come to the free world (Europe) to get the feeling of having critics on leaders witouth losing your job or being thrown in jail (like in the US)

BTW, I wish you a good life and social healthcare ;)
*puts Takrai on the ignore list*


Two more points here...yes, millions DO flock from Europe to here. My ancestors nearly 200 years ago among them, and still today. Besides the fact that no one here loses there jobs for disagreeing with the government, my last point is I do not want anything unless I have earned it, the simple point of being alive does not entitle me to receive money from the government for healthcare, since in reality that money comes from people who work for it themselves via taxes. Our government exists and was founded to give people the right to find their own future, because at that time in Europe, the station in life you were born in, was where you were stuck. That has changed, in Europe, I know this..however, I still believe that the general purpose of a government is NOT to take taxes from its people.

Guess he did not read that anymore.

BTW, people are less free in the US since in EU protesters like the ones against the convention have that right and would not be put in jail by the major of the same political party.
So his point still stands.

BTW don't speak abourt resolutions because the US violated almost every international law in the Iraq debacle and behaved like a rogue nation (torturing, bombing of civilians during the war aso.) . This point also stands and has been discussed all over on NS. The US thus deserves his place at the sides of rogue nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, China, Israel and other regimes, wether you can vote the leaders or not.

Saudi Arabia, YES! I hate them; their royal family is a bunch of evil oppressive jerks!What are those US-American governments then who endorsed that bunch of evil oppressive jerks?

Guess he did not read that anymore.

BTW, people are less free in the US since in EU protesters like the ones against the convention have that right and would not be put in jail by the major of the same political party.
So his point still stands.

BTW don't speak abourt resolutions because the US violated almost every international law in the Iraq debacle and behaved like a rogue nation (torturing, bombing of civilians during the war aso.) . This point also stands and has been discussed all over on NS. The US thus deserves his place at the sides of rogue nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, China, Israel and other regimes, wether you can vote the leaders or not.

There is no "International Law" EXCEPT, perhaps, UN resolutions, 3 of which authorized the war.. Protestors who ONLY are protesting, have always been free to do so in the USA. Protestors who destroy personal property, etc, are arrested ANYwhere, with good reason.. So, neither of the*points* stands.

What are those US-American governments then who endorsed that bunch of evil oppressive jerks?
The US does not have to "endorse" other country's rulers. The US did not put into power the Saudi Royal family.

There is no "International Law" EXCEPT, perhaps, UN resolutions, 3 of which authorized the war.. .

*ironic*Oh, that is why Koffi Annan (just a guy that has a small job at the UN) said last week that the war was illegal and against regulations and international law (again yesterday but not litteraly).

About those protesters, noop in the Free World, they would not be arrested for protesting against extrelme right (or against any other party), only in the US and other rather unfree (altough with elections) countries like some Asian regimes.

*ironic*Oh, that is why Koffi Annan (just a guy that has a small job at the UN) said last week that the war was illegal and against regulations and international law (again yesterday but not litteraly).

About those protesters, noop in the Free World, they would not be arrested for protesting against extrelme right (or against any other party), only in the US and other rather unfree (altough with elections) countries like some Asian regimes.
Three UN resolutions allowed the US/coalition to go into Iraq and take out Hussein. 678, 687,1441.
Any protestors anywhere in the world, who destroy property, or break laws during the act of protest, are arrested. Peaceful protest is a guaranteed right, it does not and should not include the right to alter lives of people who are not connected to the protest. ie. if a protestor wishes to draw attention to the right of abortion, great..if they decide to do so by killing an anti abortion priest,they cross the line, in ANY country.
Actually a better example since abortion is a right here, would be the protestors AGAINST it, (good), who kill an abortion doctor, (bad), arrested.
A European example (that drew much comedy here) was in the late '90s, an EU diplomat who was "pied" had a pie thrown in his face..the "protestor" was arrested as well, despite the fact the pie in no way could harm the man, he was arrested for violating security, the same as the persons who illegally snuck INTO the convention in NYC..if you sneak into a baseball game or a theatre with no ticket, it is breaking the law, same here.