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It was recently found that a primitave form of cocaine was found inside many of the ancient pharoahs tombs in Egypt. Yet the coa-coa plant (if I spelt that right) only grew in South America. Is it possible that Egyptians and Aztecs traded by boat? Could this be the influence for the large, pyramid-like structures of the Aztec temples or is it that coa-coa :confused: beans migrate? (Sorry, couldn't help it) Thoughts? Comments? Credit card numbers?

It was recently found that a primitave form of cocaine was found inside many of the ancient pharoahs tombs in Egypt. Yet the coa-coa plant (if I spelt that right) only grew in South America. Is it possible that Egyptians and Aztecs traded by boat? Could this be the influence for the large, pyramid-like structures of the Aztec temples or is it that coa-coa :confused: beans migrate? (Sorry, couldn't help it) Thoughts? Comments? Credit card numbers?

Egyptians are pushing it for me, but the Aztecs could very well have traded with African or European sailors. The only problem was that the major communication between the contents during early civilizations was southern Africa to South America. The distance is somewhat easier, I belive. Although my facts are rusty.

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Egypt traded with many civilizations, it wouldnt surprise me to learn thay they traded with a city, that in turn, traded with Aztec cultures.

I don't know, this all sounds like a pyramid scheme to me...

It was recently found that a primitave form of cocaine was found inside many of the ancient pharoahs tombs in Egypt. Yet the coa-coa plant (if I spelt that right) only grew in South America. Is it possible that Egyptians and Aztecs traded by boat? Could this be the influence for the large, pyramid-like structures of the Aztec temples or is it that coa-coa :confused: beans migrate? (Sorry, couldn't help it) Thoughts? Comments? Credit card numbers?

I once saw a documentary on it. The plant thing too. Then the similarities between the piramids and such... Maybe. There was something like islands that now have gone below sealevel, that traders may have used to cross the atlantic.

But the thing about your thread is that ppl immediatly start saying you're somekind of new ager or you believe in elves. Ppl don't tend to take those things seriously. I know of a story, a female archeologist that found proof that there were humans on the american continent much earlier then one is saying and that they may have come from the south instead of from the north. She had clear proof, but hm a lot of famous historians and archeologists would have lost face and eventually they put her in an insane asylum. The thing with history is, that one is never sure. Who knows what we have yet to discover. It is very easy to say...well that is how it went and then don't want to change a thing even if there is clear proof. Just like the FACT that the Chinese had long befor columbus established trade colonies on South and North America, deep into unknown African territory and even in australia (they found sunken boats, whats their name again, honks or s'thing, with ancient vases and such, dated very early). There is a book you can read about it... here you go: http://www.1421.tv/

If the proof the author gives is true, and my feeling is, it most certainly is, then we have still got much to change in our schoolbooks.

The first thing I learned when being trained as a history teacher was that history is but a story told by a person, of a very small part of everything that happened during a certain period of time. History isn't an exact science, there is exact science involved to gain facts, but still, history is but a story based on a small amount of evidence and fact, from wich a person constructed a story on how a certain event may have happened.

For instance, how may history books have looked if Hitler won? The allied forces would have been the enemy that wanted to prevent "the beautiful dream" that is the third empire. For instance, why did Julius Caesar wrote that the Belgians (the Celtic tribes in Belgica) were the bravest of all Gauls? Maybe they were, but maybe it was because he lost a few battles against the belgian gauls and it is far better to lose from "the bravest" then from a bunch of peasants. History is but a story and it is hard to be objective when telling history. But one can't ignore history because it is a story, there is lots of truth in history of course, but it is open to interpretation and that is the beautiful thing about history.

It was recently found that a primitave form of cocaine was found inside many of the ancient pharoahs tombs in Egypt. Yet the coa-coa plant (if I spelt that right) only grew in South America. Is it possible that Egyptians and Aztecs traded by boat? Could this be the influence for the large, pyramid-like structures of the Aztec temples or is it that coa-coa :confused: beans migrate? (Sorry, couldn't help it) Thoughts? Comments? Credit card numbers?

They have found 'classical culture' artifacts all up and down the eastern side of the North AND South americas... amphorae, etc. (including remains of ocean vessels) which pretty much conclusively shows that Rome and/or Greece had trade (of some kind... maybe not regular shipping....) with the natives of the Americas, two thousand years ago.

Of course, Polynesian skulls dating back almost ten millenia have also been found on the North American land-mass, so the Romans were probably only late-comers to a trade that had been going on for thousands of years.

As was said before, Egypt traded with a lot of people. I also wouldn't be surprised if they traded with someone who traded with someone who traded with SA.

Also, a pyramid is a damned obvious structure, over all. Weren't you laying things on top of eachother as a preschooler? You figured out things had to get smaller as they went up if you wanted something easy to construct and stable. A quick look at them shows that the three structures are as similar to anyone as they are to the other, from an engineering standpoint. The Egyptians were MUCH more complicated, and worked mostly because they had MUCH bigger whips to drive the slaves with.

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence suggesting that Africans and South Americans traded for a long time before even the Vikings landed on the New World. It wouldn't surprise me if the Egyptians somehow obtained Aztec things through direct trade or through trade with another group of people who reached Central/ South America.

You forgot the Cambodians

They made Pyramids too y'know?

If only their records of history weren't burned when Burma invaded, the Cambodians would know more about themselves.

It's a pity really..

I have seen their structures (Angkor Wot anyone?), and it's incredibly beautiful. Cambodia's civilizations are most likely just as old as the Aztecs and Egyptians.

too bad the aztecs didnt exist before 1100 AD

or maybe you were thinking of the incas who are more in that southamerica/andes kinda area? (known for its coca production today) oops they dint exist before 1200 AD (although there was a pretty nice precursor civilization in the area but not before 500AD)

or maybe you meant the MAYANS who are most famous for building the pyramids .. noooo they didnt do much before 300 AD

well there WAS a Teotihucuan culture, ancestors of the atzec who had a great city with a pyramid. but they were from 300 B.C. to 600 A.D. so
again they were out of luck

not that there couldnt have been "accidental" commerce between the 2 areas due to people getting swept from one side of the ocean to the other.

but NOT the ancient egyptians and the aztecs.

too bad the aztecs didnt exist before 1100 AD

or maybe you were thinking of the incas who are more in that southamerica/andes kinda area? (known for its coca production today) oops they dint exist before 1200 AD (although there was a pretty nice precursor civilization in the area but not before 500AD)

or maybe you meant the MAYANS who are most famous for building the pyramids .. noooo they didnt do much before 300 AD

well there WAS a Teotihucuan culture, ancestors of the atzec who had a great city with a pyramid. but they were from 300 B.C. to 600 A.D. so
again they were out of luck

not that there couldnt have been "accidental" commerce between the 2 areas due to people getting swept from one side of the ocean to the other.

but NOT the ancient egyptians and the aztecs.

How about the Olmec's? supposedly they were around from 1200 - 400BC?

All cultures were always trading with each other whether they were war or not. The Ancients are just like us, always looking for new exotic things to buy so the Egyptians would have welcomed Cocaine from South America. You do get closer to the Gods you know!

It was recently found that a primitave form of cocaine was found inside many of the ancient pharoahs tombs in Egypt. Yet the coa-coa plant (if I spelt that right) only grew in South America. Is it possible that Egyptians and Aztecs traded by boat? Could this be the influence for the large, pyramid-like structures of the Aztec temples or is it that coa-coa :confused: beans migrate? (Sorry, couldn't help it) Thoughts? Comments? Credit card numbers?

Maybe you mean cocoa (cacao) the plant chocolate comes from and that comes from Mesoamerica. Cocaine comes from the coca plant, which grows in South America. Which would make it more the Inca culture, but that one is too young. However, there is evidence of older civilizations in the same area and the Egyptians were a long lasting civ too, so it's possible.

There is a lot of stuff that has been found suggesting an ancient connection between Africa and America. Even between Polinesia and America. Thor Heyerdal (sp?) even built small ancient style rafts to cross the Pacific and the Atlantic to show that it would be possible back then, although extremely difficult.

There is also some evidence of contact between China and America. Toltec and Teotihuacan cultural influence have been found as far north as California and Oregon, and it seems that the Anasazi had very good trade with them. Some archaeologists even propose that the Great Culture of the Mississippi was a direct descendant from the Olmecs. And some even go as far as to say that the Olmecs came originally from Africa through Brazil, much later than the first Americans from Asia.

Or was it from Polinesia? Some recently found evidence reinforces the idea that the first Americans came from the Polinesian islands.

I'm partial towards the idea that different people arrived to America in waves, from a variety of directions. The Europeans simply being the last to do so, but the real question would be, who were the first?

It's not all that new. I read a book several years ago that had the same info about coca leaves, as well as tobacco leaves being found in Egyptian Mummy caskets. There have also been found statues in South America that are pre-Columbian and are definitely Negroid in features. Also a couple of friezes show men with beards and boats that are very Phoenician looking.
Which is probably the most likely explanation, as they were great sailors.
I mean two guys can row across the Alantic in 40 days! So it's silly to say that in 4000 years of, let's face it, very advanced civilisation, not one boat managed to get over there until Columbus.
As for the pyramids, I wouldn't hazard a guess. I would think that they're very ascetically pleasing and quite easy to make. Ppl are ppl the World over, so it's highly likely that the Mayans (or whoever) arrived at the same idea as the Egyptians without any connection. Apparently domestication of animals and farming pretty much arised simultaneously throughout the World, as far as Archaeologists can gather.

BTW it's Polynesia, not Polinesia.