NationStates Jolt Archive


This is how the Armies Treat the Soldiers...

Revolutionsz
19-09-2004, 16:25
im sure this happens in most Armies...
My advice: do not enlist...
I you want to figth...tell the Army you are a volunteer...but you do not want to sign a binding contract....

GIs claim threat by Army
Soldiers say they were told to re-enlist or face deployment to Iraq

September 16, 2004

COLORADO SPRINGS(Al-jazeeraNEWS) - Soldiers from a Fort Carson combat unit say they have been issued an ultimatum - re-enlist for three more years or be transferred to other units expected to deploy to Iraq.

Hundreds of soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team were presented with that message and a re-enlistment form in a series of assemblies last Thursday, said two soldiers who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A Fort Carson spokesman confirmed the re-enlistment drive is under way and one of the soldiers provided the form to the Rocky Mountain News. An Army spokesmen denied, however, that soldiers who don't re-enlist with the brigade were threatened.

The form, if signed, would bind the soldier to the 3rd Brigade until Dec. 31, 2007. The two soldiers said they were told that those who did not sign would be transferred out of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team.

"They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers, a sergeant.

The second soldier, an enlisted man who was interviewed separately, essentially echoed that view.

"They told us if we don't re-enlist, then we'd have to be reassigned. And where we're most needed is in units that are going back to Iraq in the next couple of months. So if you think you're getting out, you're not," he said.

The brigade's presentation outraged many soldiers who are close to fulfilling their obligation and are looking forward to civilian life, the sergeant said.

"We have a whole platoon who refuses to sign," he said.

A Fort Carson spokesman said Wednesday that 3rd Brigade recruitment officers denied threatening the soldiers with Iraq duty.

"I can only tell you what the retention officers told us: The soldiers were not being told they will go to Iraq, but they may go to Iraq," said the spokesman, who gave that explanation before being told later to direct all inquiries to the Pentagon.
TheOneRule
19-09-2004, 17:02
Actually its common practice to allow guarantees to be offered upon re-enlistment.
What's being said here is that if they re-enlist it's possible to guarantee they stay with the 3rd Brigade until '08.
If they dont re-enlist, there's no guarantee on anything. Needs of the Army and all that.
Revolutionsz
19-09-2004, 17:09
Actually its common practice to allow guarantees to be offered upon re-enlistment.
What's being said here is that if they re-enlist it's possible to guarantee they stay with the 3rd Brigade until '08.
If they dont re-enlist, there's no guarantee on anything. Needs of the Army and all that.they dont want to re-enlist....and the Army knows that the possibility of going back to Iraq scares them...
TheOneRule
19-09-2004, 17:11
they dont want to re-enlist....and the Army knows that the possibility of going back to Iraq scares them...
True, but as they say, there are no guarantees in (army) life, except what you get in writing in your re-enlistment contract.
Revolutionsz
19-09-2004, 17:18
True, but as they say, there are no guarantees in (army) life, except what you get in writing in your re-enlistment contract.enlistement Contracts...are they standart?...when you say "except what you get in writing in your re-enlistment contract"....you mean...they can add specific clauses for you...

Do they have differnt kind of Enlistement contracts?
Kryozerkia
19-09-2004, 18:02
This is why I'm happy to be a computer networking student, with a future in being a network admin - no BS like this!
Foe Hammer
19-09-2004, 20:28
COLORADO SPRINGS(Al-jazeeraNEWS)
Need I explain further?
Faithfull-freedom
19-09-2004, 20:36
enlistement Contracts...are they standart?...when you say "except what you get in writing in your re-enlistment contract"....you mean...they can add specific clauses for you... Do they have differnt kind of Enlistement contracts?

Yea I think I know what he is talking about. You can pick you're duty station and have a bonus included (if elegible) for that re-enlistment. You will usualy have a one time choice of duty stations and then you have to call for orders out of what is left over after that. You will most likely have it already in writing but its good to double check.