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What are your opinions on voting? Do you abstain? If so, for what reasons? Do you believe people have a duty to vote?

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Its not that hard to vote, people just need to get off their ass and vote. Would you rather have an oppressive dictator or someone who the "majoirty" elected?

i always vote
i even voted in the last local schoolboard election
if you dont vote, you dont really have the right to whine about the government later.

but what about if there is no one representing you? I'm tempted to feel that way about the general elections coming up in the UK. I live in a tory controlled area, theres no way I'm voting for them. there isn't a chance that labour get my vote either, being the sold-out docile puppet party it is. the liberal democrats have no clue what they're doing, and I don't agree with their policies. the green party I support in ideology and methods but if they aren't putting up a candidate in my area, what do i do?

The Green Parties funny!

This is the first time I CAN vote, but I hope to vote every time ;)

You familar with the UK Green Party? Only sensible party around in my humble opinion :) They also have a decent drugs policy and are for safety and knowledge rather than a knee jerk reaction. they don't favour Europe on the grounds it is being used for the wrong purposes, which is a valid ciriticism.

What are your opinions on voting? Do you abstain? If so, for what reasons? Do you believe people have a duty to vote?Yes they have. In a democracy ("rule of the plebs") the electorate is the ruler, and I find it somewhat strange that a ruler should be allowed to desist from ruling.

You familar with the UK Green Party? Only sensible party around in my humble opinion :) They also have a decent drugs policy and are for safety and knowledge rather than a knee jerk reaction. they don't favour Europe on the grounds it is being used for the wrong purposes, which is a valid ciriticism.


I live in Canada and the person the Green Party ran in my area I couldn't figure out whether "it" was a man or a women. Plus, I'm not much of an enviromentalist.

I'm voting. Not for Bush or Kerry, though.

I'm in NZ and I will vote again next year in the election, this time for ACT the liberal conservatives because I feel that my vote wasn't worth much on other parties I have voted for, namely Greens last time and Labour before that.

However, there is no point voting for anyone but the local electorate labour person for this safe seat. At least MMP lets me use my party vote for who I really want.

In the council elections, I will vote for a different conservative than the mayor and as few left wingers as possible. At least with STV, I can rank them on preference and say I don't really like certain candidates.

I'm voting for Peroutka, in case anyone cares.

I'm voting for Peroutka, in case anyone cares.


Whos that? I don't really pay attention to 6th or 7th party candidates.

Whos that? I don't really pay attention to 6th or 7th party candidates.

Michael A. Peroutka. Constitution Party Presidential candidate.

www.peroutka2004.com

www.constitutionparty.com (or it might be .org, I'm not sure)

Michael A. Peroutka. Constitution Party Presidential candidate.

www.peroutka2004.com

www.constitutionparty.com (or it might be .org, I'm not sure)

Ugh...sorry, but I hate the constitutional party, with it's whacked out talk about putting christianity into the government...

Michael A. Peroutka. Constitution Party Presidential candidate.

www.peroutka2004.com

www.constitutionparty.com (or it might be .org, I'm not sure)


They seem like a Conservative Christian Party, with a focus on God and the family. And .com is right.

Ugh...sorry, but I hate the constitutional party, with it's whacked out talk about putting christianity into the government...




Me too, they're almost as bad as the Republicans.

Ugh...sorry, but I hate the constitutional party, with it's whacked out talk about putting christianity into the government...

It's all right. Everyone has his/her opinions, and I respect yours. I don't think they want to put Christianity in the government, they just want to govern according to Biblical principles (morality, etc.).

I am a Canadian and i vote because if i don't vote i can't complain about the politicians and the idiots who voted for the massively corrupt Liberal government that has been re-elected three times running,because people chose to believe their scare tactics about the conservative-alliance party. YOU MORONS VOTED FOR MARTIN AND THE LIBERALS!!!NOW YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT,while i can sit here morally superior to you and laugh at you while you work overtime trying to put a spin on pretty well everything he says or does. Signed A Conservative Hardass

What's so bad about the Constitution Party? They're the only party who even remotely gives a fig about following the constitution.

I am a Canadian and i vote because if i don't vote i can't complain about the politicians and the idiots who voted for the massively corrupt Liberal government that has been re-elected three times running,because people chose to believe their scare tactics about the conservative-alliance party. YOU MORONS VOTED FOR MARTIN AND THE LIBERALS!!!NOW YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT,while i can sit here morally superior to you and laugh at you while you work overtime trying to put a spin on pretty well everything he says or does. Signed A Conservative Hardass


What part of Canada do you live in?

What's so bad about the Constitution Party? They're the only party who even remotely gives a fig about following the constitution.



I think its more the Christian values and how they might/would/could/whatever change the constitution based on those.

I think its more the Christian values and how they might/would/could/whatever change the constitution based on those.

Exactly.

By advocating the inclusion of the bible in the constitution, they strike me as being very UNconstitutional.

I think its more the Christian values and how they might/would/could/whatever change the constitution based on those.

They basically want to return the country to the way it was when it was founded (minus slavery, segregation, etc.)

Exactly.

By advocating the inclusion of the bible in the constitution, they strike me as being very UNconstitutional.

I'm sorry. When did they say they wanted to do that? (Not saying you're right or wrong)

And let's not discuss this too much further. I don't wanna hijack the thread.

They basically want to return the country to the way it was when it was founded (minus slavery, segregation, etc.)


Given I can't vote and I don't live in the US, I'm not too worried about any particular party besides the Bush lead Republicans.

Given I can't vote and I don't live in the US, I'm not too worried about any particular party besides the Bush lead Republicans.

Where do you live? (I'm guessing Canada)

I'm sorry. When did they say they wanted to do that? (Not saying you're right or wrong)

And let's not discuss this too much further. I don't wanna hijack the thread.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Family

That's one giant reason why.

They want christian morals in the government. That strikes me as horrific and unconstitutional.

Also, in their Preamble, they incorrectly state that the US was founded on the christian religion. This is completely wrong.

Added: having read more, I'm sorry, but this political party truly does horrify me. It is falls very, very short of wanting to make the US a theocracy.

Where do you live? (I'm guessing Canada)


Yep, I'm a Canadian. Just live an hour north of the US-Canada border in a socialist, union run town.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Family

That's one giant reason why.

They want christian morals in the government. That strikes me as horrific and unconstitutional.

Also, in their Preamble, they incorrectly state that the US was founded on the christian religion. This is completely wrong.

Added: having read more, I'm sorry, but this political party truly does horrify me. It is falls very, very short of wanting to make the US a theocracy.

Even though the Founders staunchly supported the separation of church and state, most of them were deeply religious and based a lot of the constitution on Biblical principles.

Even though the Founders staunchly supported the separation of church and state, most of them were deeply religious and based a lot of the constitution on Biblical principles.

Incorrect.

Most of the founding fathers were deists.

Start naming parts where the constitution is based off of BIBLICAL principals.

Imporant note: they must be biblical-and ONLY biblical-principals. No listing thigns that are in other religions, because then they arn't very biblical, are they?

Incorrect.

Most of the founding fathers were deists.

Start naming parts where the constitution is based off of BIBLICAL principals.

Imporant note: they must be biblical-and ONLY biblical-principals. No listing thigns that are in other religions, because then they arn't very biblical, are they?

Most of them were Christians (dunno what the hell a deist is, though).

Read some of their quotes and writings. Contrary to modern liberal BS, the Founders were not a bunch of humanist, atheistic snobs horrified at the mere mention of Christianity.

Most of them were Christians (dunno what the hell a deist is, though).

Read some of their quotes and writings. Contrary to modern liberal BS, the Founders were not a bunch of humanist, atheistic snobs horrified at the mere mention of Christianity.

Of course not. They were deists.

www.deism.com

Deist: the belief in a single creator, while disbelieving in reveiled religions.

They were not christians. In fact, many of them DID speak strongly against christianity.

Of course not. They were deists.

www.deism.com

Deist: the belief in a single creator, while disbelieving in reveiled religions.

They were not christians. In fact, many of them DID speak strongly against christianity.

Give me some examples.

Give me some examples.

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

-Jefferson

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).

Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.

Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance.

The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

-Paine


And, to top it all off, I present to you Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

I vote.

Voting is the only chance to get something accomplished.

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

-Jefferson

And, to top it all off, I present to you Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Okay, that isn't speaking against Christianity. It's condemning how humans corrupted it. And wasn't Paine an atheist?

Never heard the last quote, though. Thanks.

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Okay, that isn't speaking against Christianity. It's condemning how humans corrupted it. And wasn't Paine an atheist?

Never heard the last quote, though. Thanks.

Nooooo, Paine was a deist.

Jefferson had his own brand of Unitarianism that was quite similer to deism. He was very outspoken against the Bible, believing it had destroyed Jesus' original teachings.

So yeah, I think he'd be against "biblical principals." Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for some that are in the constitution.

So yeah, I think he'd be against "biblical principals." Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for some that are in the constitution.

Eh, never mind. You win.

Eh, never mind. You win.

:D

Just in time too, gotta go to work :p

Thank's for being a rational debator though-so many people just start yelling and flaming about >_>

There's this one too:
"I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world."
-Thomas Jefferson

I recall someone posted a long list of quotations like this a couple of weeks ago. I can't remember, but there were a large number of them.

Thank's for being a rational debator though-so many people just start yelling and flaming about >_>

You, too. :)