What are the arguments of an Hollocaust denier?
Bushrepublican liars
18-09-2004, 23:20
What are the arguments of an holocaust denier?
Just curious... :)
Superpower07
18-09-2004, 23:27
Please, while I hate Holocaust deniers like you do, DO NOT open this can of worms!
*scrambles to launch the STFU Sword Strike in a pre-emptive action*
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Sword_Strike_Gundam-01.gif
Pre-emptive STFU!!!
Mr Basil Fawlty
18-09-2004, 23:31
Please, while I hate Holocaust deniers like you do, DO NOT open this can of worms!
But I will (post) takes me 2 minutes ;)
The God King Eru-sama
18-09-2004, 23:32
An actual debate (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=73462), short-lived as it was.
Mr Basil Fawlty
18-09-2004, 23:34
Read
Deborah Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory
Richard Evans' Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust, and the David Irving Trial &
Michael Shermer's Denying History: Who Says Holocaust Never Happened and Why do They Say It
Holocaust denial arguments are pro-Nazi, antisemetic and illogical. Two examples of denial arguments would be that the einsatzgruppen massacres in 1941 USSR were "faked" by British intelligence services at a sound stage in Toronto or that "the Jews declared war on Hitler first" in the 1930's.
I would also recommend you read Daniel Pipes excellent book Conspiracy which does a great job deconstructing why people believe in little green men and worldwide Zionist domination, wich for me is still a Middle East debate.
Mr Basil Fawlty
18-09-2004, 23:37
An actual debate (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=73462), short-lived as it was.
*Still reading it*, are you a member? Just curious to see what you posted.
The God King Eru-sama
18-09-2004, 23:41
I am, but I'm still a lurker.
Superpower07
18-09-2004, 23:42
Nooo! The pre-emptive STFU Sword Strike has failed!
Mr Basil Fawlty
18-09-2004, 23:50
Nooo! The pre-emptive STFU Sword Strike has failed!
No the great STFU Sword Strike can still prevail :) (your blade must be the legendary Excalibur)
(not many posters on NS wright now, so this thread will be gone on page 2 in a few minutes.
Chess Squares
18-09-2004, 23:55
What are the arguments of an holocaust denier?
Just curious... :)
senility
Mr Basil Fawlty
19-09-2004, 00:17
senility
Indeed, but a bit pitty that there are no nazi's to fight at this hour in this thread.
I was just in the mood for it.
Read
Deborah Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory
Richard Evans' Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust, and the David Irving Trial &
Michael Shermer's Denying History: Who Says Holocaust Never Happened and Why do They Say It
Holocaust denial arguments are pro-Nazi, antisemetic and illogical. Two examples of denial arguments would be that the einsatzgruppen massacres in 1941 USSR were "faked" by British intelligence services at a sound stage in Toronto or that "the Jews declared war on Hitler first" in the 1930's.
I would also recommend you read Daniel Pipes excellent book Conspiracy which does a great job deconstructing why people believe in little green men and worldwide Zionist domination, wich for me is still a Middle East debate.
Um, Basil, you DO know that Daniel Pipes is considered by many to be a conservative (rightist) Zionist, right?
Read
Deborah Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory
Richard Evans' Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust, and the David Irving Trial &
Michael Shermer's Denying History: Who Says Holocaust Never Happened and Why do They Say It
Holocaust denial arguments are pro-Nazi, antisemetic and illogical. Two examples of denial arguments would be that the einsatzgruppen massacres in 1941 USSR were "faked" by British intelligence services at a sound stage in Toronto or that "the Jews declared war on Hitler first" in the 1930's.
I would also recommend you read Daniel Pipes excellent book Conspiracy which does a great job deconstructing why people believe in little green men and worldwide Zionist domination, wich for me is still a Middle East debate.Who are those people? Can anyone not living in Germany possibly know what happened there 65 years ago? And there are still people living who saw the Holocaust. So denying it can never be done out of lacking knowledge but only out of ideological purpose. There are no arguments.
Who are those people? Can anyone not living in Germany possibly know what happened there 65 years ago? And there are still people living who saw the Holocaust. So denying it can never be done out of lacking knowledge but only out of ideological purpose. There are no arguments.
Those people are all Holocaust researchers who have written books refuting arguments by Holocaust deniers.
An excellent online resource for people interested in this is nizkor.org.
Mr Basil Fawlty
19-09-2004, 00:30
Um, Basil, you DO know that Daniel Pipes is considered by many to be a conservative (rightist) Zionist, right?
Right, but I have the book and I am aware and he has good arguments against deniers, just like the others I mentioned.
I don't follow him all the line about the right/left story.
I have a good selection of books, and I can not agree 100% with all of them but that does not make them bad books because for me those arguments are important, wether I am left/right.
Mr Basil Fawlty
19-09-2004, 00:34
Who are those people?.
Hey, I had to by them in English as a non English speaker. You must find these books on the market since you live in a English speaking region.
Perhaps a Amazone search will help, anyway, I bought them in Brussels and Lipstadt's one in the French version in Grenoble.
nizkor.org can also help to find these books (like QJ said)
Hey, I had to by them in English as a non English speaker. You must find these books on the market since you live in a English speaking region.
Perhaps a Amazone search will help, anyway, I bought them in Brussels and Lipstadt's one in the French version in Grenoble.
nizkor.org can also help to find these books (like QJ said)I do not live in an English speaking region.
Mr Basil Fawlty
19-09-2004, 01:05
I do not live in an English speaking region.
Wow, sorry about the n ,just wanted to help.
Right, but I have the book and I am aware and he has good arguments against deniers, just like the others I mentioned.
I don't follow him all the line about the right/left story.
I have a good selection of books, and I can not agree 100% with all of them but that does not make them bad books because for me those arguments are important, wether I am left/right.
Ah, ok. Just curious.
It's refreshing to see someone who reads books written by people they disagree with politically, particularly on issues relating to the Middle East.
People interested should also check out: http://www.holocaust-history.org/
Superpower07
19-09-2004, 01:32
Please let this topic die before TT and DA return!