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QuahJoh, I would have send you a private message but this was not possible.

I need some information about a wine from Israel.
Last week, I tasted at a friends place a wine: "Yarden" from Galillee, from the Gollan Hights Estate (won't go in a debate about if it is a Gollan wine or a Israel wine, you know my opinion ;) ).

Very nice cabernet Sauvignon, mature, more European style the Californian (I mean hereby, not overoaky), bit like the wines from the Beekha valley in Lebanon and very spicy. In short, a very good wine value for the money.

But I saw on the etiquette (the label) that it was a Kasher wine, no probs with that, but some questions.
It had 13% of alcohol. I thought that Kasher wines must be wines withouth alcohol but I must be wrong there.
It also did not mention that is was organic or not, I thought that a Kasher wine had to be organic (I know that the meat has not has to be).

Can you explain a bit or give me a informative link.

Thank you in advance

QuahJoh, I would have send you a private message but this was not possible.

Hmm, that's weird. You should be able to. Maybe a mod will be able to explain why my PM doesn't work.

But I saw on the etiquette (the label) that it was a Kasher wine, no probs with that, but some questions.

I'll do my best.

It had 13% of alcohol. I thought that Kasher wines must be wines withouth alcohol but I must be wrong there.

Yeah, as far as I know that's not true. In fact, it must not be true, because there is at least one Jewish holiday (Purim) where Jews are commanded to get drunk. (Not to mention I've gotten fairly buzzed from kosher wine at various Jewish gatherings.)

It also did not mention that is was organic or not, I thought that a Kasher wine had to be organic (I know that the meat has not has to be).

Kosher meat doesn't necessarily have to be, as far as I know, although I think there are potentially some things a non-organic animal might be given which could make it unkosher.

Some info on kosher wine:

http://eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1964309

What is a kosher wine?

A wine is kosher if it is made using strict rabbinical production techniques. A kosher wine cannot include any chemical additives, gelatin, lactose, glycerin, corn products or nonwine yeasts. In addition, the entire wine making process must be conducted by Sabbath-observing Jews under rabbinical supervision. Kosher wines are produced by wineries all over the world.

So kosher wine doesn't necessarily have to be organic, it just can't have those things in it.

Here are some more links:

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher.html

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher1.htm

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher2.htm

Hope this helps!

Hmm, that's weird. You should be able to. Maybe a mod will be able to explain why my PM doesn't work.



I'll do my best.



Yeah, as far as I know that's not true. In fact, it must not be true, because there is at least one Jewish holiday (Purim) where Jews are commanded to get drunk. (Not to mention I've gotten fairly buzzed from kosher wine at various Jewish gatherings.)



Kosher meat doesn't necessarily have to be, as far as I know, although I think there are potentially some things a non-organic animal might be given which could make it unkosher.

Some info on kosher wine:

http://eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1964309



So kosher wine doesn't necessarily have to be organic, it just can't have those things in it.

Here are some more links:

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher.html

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher1.htm

http://www.allhlwines.com/kosher2.htm

Hope this helps!

Many thank's for your time, really. Wine is one of my hobbies. :)
*starts reading the links*

http://www.kosherwine.com/

I have been favoring merlot and amarone and the cain five lately.

Yeah, as far as I know that's not true. In fact, it must not be true, because there is at least one Jewish holiday (Purim) where Jews are commanded to get drunk. (Not to mention I've gotten fairly buzzed from kosher wine at various Jewish gatherings.)

For the first time in his life, Gymoor considers supporting an organized religion...

Very good information and very informative links when reading it.

In fact the wine is (appart the rules to make it Kasher) grown like in Spain, France, Itally, California, Aussiewine, germany aso.since the "Orla" (no wine from very young plantations until after 3 years, in France it's 5/6 years depending the region) listens to nature laws tomake quality.

Still a bit confused about the "Shmita year" but I'll understand more about it because your links have aditional links.

Again, thank's for the time you spend.

http://www.kosherwine.com/

I have been favoring merlot and amarone and the cain five lately.

Well Faithfull it will surprise you a bit from my part but let me tell you that you have a exellent taste: AMARONE, wow, specially the Reciotto's, njum njum.

In another life, I imported Barolo, Amarono from the Valpo. region and other Italian wines like the ones from the Friulli district (above Udine) but the times weren't good then (8 years ago) and everybody was still drinking French, Californian wines then. Now, the people at home are giving crazy prices for those Amarones.

But still have about 50 bottles of 1989 in the cellar :) (from the Salgari house and a little bit of the luxuory Massi 1976 but that is private)

BTW wich Merlot, since it is just a grape? French one like in Pomerol (pomerol is mostly a blend with a majority of Merlot, rest is Cabernet S.) or Spanish, Sonoma, Nappa, MC Laren Vale in Aus.?

Very good information and very informative links when reading it.

In fact the wine is (appart the rules to make it Kasher) grown like in Spain, France, Itally, California, Aussiewine, germany aso.since the "Orla" (no wine from very young plantations until after 3 years, in France it's 5/6 years depending the region) listens to nature laws tomake quality.

Still a bit confused about the "Shmita year" but I'll understand more about it because your links have aditional links.

Again, thank's for the time you spend.

Info on shmita: http://www.aish.com/torahportion/moray/A_Time_to_Trust.asp

Well Faithfull it will surprise you a bit from my part but let me tell you that you have a exellent taste: AMARONE, wow, specially the Reciotto's, njum njum. In another life, I imported Barolo, Amarono from the Valpo. region and other Italian wines like the ones from the Friulli district (above Udine) but the times weren't good then (8 years ago) and everybody was still drinking French, Californian wines then. Now, the people at home are giving crazy prices for those Amarones. But still have about 50 bottles of 1989 in the cellar

Yes barolo, I had gaja sperss barolo 95 that was not up to par as well. But I bet those 89's are quite a taste :) I have a allegrini amarone della Valpolicella 1999 that I will be opening up in a few years (only amarone i found in town, so not sure if this vintage will be much tasty or not). I don't have much a selection in this town here so I have to buy most of my wines on trips or try them at dinners.

Sometimes these guys have quite a selection, and are decent for time in shipping if within the states. But be sure they have what you want in stock over phone, if you want it quick. I already learned my lesson from them on that. http://www.thewinebuyer.com/

Info on shmita: http://www.aish.com/torahportion/moray/A_Time_to_Trust.asp

Imagine that the Shmita year is a great year, you don't harvest :( Well it will be good for the birds then. But I can not think that the big producers follow this, they lose money.

If they do, all respect for them because they show that money is not the most important thing in their lives. BTW.Again, a good link, your computerskills are good, I did not find that with a google search (but found a good link when I typed "Shmita".

BTW, I don't know why I can not send a PM to you. Test if you can send to me (must be, I never had the option on NS to block PM's) We have to ask the MODS if not possible.

Yes barolo, I had gaja sperss barolo 95 that was not up to par as well. But I bet those 89's are quite a taste :) I have a allegrini amarone della Valpolicella 1999 that I will be opening up in a few years (only amarone i found in town, so not sure if this vintage will be much tasty or not). I don't have much a selection in this town here so I have to buy most of my wines on trips or try them at dinners.

Sometimes these guys have quite a selection, and are decent for time in shipping if within the states. But be sure they have what you want in stock over phone, if you want it quick. I already learned my lesson from them on that. http://www.thewinebuyer.com/

You know what is good. I also drunk the Alleghrini. The Alleghrini wineyard is from the family of the famous writer and the wine is made by Massi.
I had the first Sperrs on the maket since Gaya bought the old Fontannafreda vineyards but the first under Gaja's label was 1988 (I can be wrong, but I am pretty sure, see Parker winebooks).

You say that you don't have a lot of choice in your town?
When I see the names you drink....from the best stuff in the world!
Ever drunk Opus One or the Rubicon wines from F.F. Coppola?

I liked Opus One in several years (was interested allready in US wines in the early 90ies) but the Rubicon wines (wich where in made since the late 90ies) did not satisfy me for the price.

BTW, I am not rich or so, but I still go to tastings from wineclubs, and have good clients/friend that bring good bottles to their old Flemish friend in the mountains when they stay here on holliday.

*A poor mountainguide and ski instructor that works in construction between the seasons, please give me a dime :p *

You know what is good. I also drunk the Alleghrini. The Alleghrini wineyard is from th efamily of th efamous writer and the wine is made by Massi. I had the first Sperrs on the maket soince Gaya bought th eold Fontannafreda vineyars but the first under Gaja's label was 1988 (I can be wrong, but I am pretty sure, see Parker winebooks).
You say that you don't have a lot of choice in your town?
When I see the names you drink....from the best stuff in the world!
Ever drunk Opus One or the Rubican wines from F.F. Coppola?
I liked Opus One in several years (was interested allready in US wines in the early 90ies) but the Rubicon wines (wich where in made since the late 90ies) did not satisfy me for the price.
BTW, I am not richor so, but I still go to tastings from wineclubs.
*A poor mountainguide and ski instructor that works in construction between the seasons, please give me a dime *

The opus one, I remember them having some problems with the cigar maker of opus x I think? I have not tried it though. I hear from my brother that it is class A along with the cigar. I just read recently on the f.f. Coppola and will be looking out for the rubicon now that you said it, along with im interested in their merlot. Most of the wines in my town I have to check and see if my brother has tried them or if I can find some reliable info on them if I have not tried them in the past(real small selection of fine wines). It does have its few gems that roll through though.

Damn you being a mountain guide and ski instructor and into construction, sounds like my twin lol I do finish carpentry when I can find the work and love skiing and climbing the 3 sisters here in Oregon. Mt Hood has a good pack trip around it as well takes about 2 weeks to complete. You should stop through oregon sometime for some fine wine good mountains and great skiing. You do whistler much in bc?

BTW, I don't know why I can not send a PM to you. Test if you can send to me (must be, I never had the option on NS to block PM's) We have to ask the MODS if not possible.

I sent one to you. Let me know if you get it.

I sent one to you. Let me know if you get it.

It works here, just replied.

P.S.

Basil, just a quick English lesson for you- "demanded" is generally seen as very forceful, somewhat hostile, too.

L'equivalent dans Francais est un peu comme "ordre" ou "exiger". Pas tres polit, tu comprends? Il ne traduisent pas comme "demander", qui est ce que je crois que tu essayer a dire.

The equivalent of the French "demander" is "ask" or "request".

(Apologies for my French grammar.)

;)

P.S.

Basil, just a quick English lesson for you- "demanded" is generally seen as very forceful, somewhat hostile, too.

L'equivalent dans Francais est un peu comme "ordre" ou "exiger". Pas tres polit, tu comprends? Il ne traduisent pas comme "demander", qui est ce que je crois que tu essayer a dire.

The equivalent of the French "demander" is "ask" or "request".

(Apologies for my French grammar.)

;)

Thank's, I did not wan't to order but ment a polite ask. Nice that you posted the explanation in French (quite good BTW, won't correct the "dans" when it is "en Français", but I find it very good), showed me the nuance.

You know, it is sometimes difficult to express in English, altough my mothertongue is a Germanic language (Flemish/Dutch).
I had the same problems when I started working in the French Alps in 1995, altough that I thought my French was good since we learned it from age 10.

But now "je me debrouille pas mal en parlant la langue de Voltaire" :)

Did you get the PM reply?
Strange that it did not work the first time when I tried.