NationStates Jolt Archive

By November 2, George Bush will be accused of spying for the KGB, John Kerry will be accused of murdering his crew in Vietnam, and Michael Moore will attribute his weight gain to those "dirty damn Republicans". I'm getting sick of this campaign, so here's what I'm saying to the rest of you: everyone knows where everyone stands, and we have no chance in hell of winning over the other side. Can't we just stop talking about the campaign altogether?

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

at least ann coulter hasnt blamed rush limbaughs drug addiction on john kerry...yet

I prefer they battled the same way they did in the flash "This Land"

"Bush is a great Crusader, Kerry is a hermit-munster"
"Bush grew up with trailers, Kerry grew up with fountains and mansions"
"Kerry is full of waffles"
"I STILL WON THREE PURPLE HEARTS!"

Maybe if the candidates in the American Presidential election concentrated on campaigning on their politicies rather than this endless negative "my opponent is the spawn of the devil" style of "campaigning", the campaign would be more interesting / less off-putting and people in USA would want to engage themselves more in the campaign.

Maybe if the candidates in the American Presidential election concentrated on campaigning on their politicies rather than this endless negative "my opponent is the spawn of the devil" style of "campaigning", the campaign would be more interesting / less off-putting and people in USA would want to engage themselves more in the campaign.
They've already done that. The problem, you see, is that the campaign started last fall. This country probably has the longest presidential campaigns of any democratic nation.

They've already done that. The problem, you see, is that the campaign started last fall. This country probably has the longest presidential campaigns of any democratic nation.

Yes, that's true as well.
Perhaps some strict limits on the amount of money candidates can spend on campaigning and a start to campaigning a lot later would help as well.

Here's how I feel about the election: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENS AS LONG AS BUSH DOESN'T WIN!!!

Yes, that's true as well.
Perhaps some strict limits on the amount of money candidates can spend on campaigning and a start to campaigning a lot later would help as well.
Ah, but here's the best part. Last year, campaign finance restrictions were passed, allowing only individuals to donate up to a cap of $200,000. However, both campaigns have made record amounts for their parties. That does not include 527s like MoveOn.org, or Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. They are not affiliated with any campaign, and can thus raise and spend as much money as they please.

Ah, but here's the best part. Last year, campaign finance restrictions were passed, allowing only individuals to donate up to a cap of $200,000. However, both campaigns have made record amounts for their parties. That does not include 527s like MoveOn.org, or Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. They are not affiliated with any campaign, and can thus raise and spend as much money as they please.

200.000 USD sounds way too high a limit in my opinion, and I think there should be an overall limit on each campaign's total spending as a whole (ie, one can't spend more than X million on the whole campaign)).
Sorry to be ignorant, but what are 527s?

By November 2, George Bush will be accused of spying for the KGB, John Kerry will be accused of murdering his crew in Vietnam, and Michael Moore will attribute his weight gain to those "dirty damn Republicans".
:lol:

Funny because it's true.

When was the last time either candidate spoke about why their policies are good rather than why the opponent's are bad?

200.000 USD sounds way too high a limit in my opinion, and I think there should be an overall limit on each campaign's total spending as a whole (ie, one can't spend more than X million on the whole campaign)).
Sorry to be ignorant, but what are 527s?
Unions and corporations contributed much, much more. But I can't remember if the cap is $20,000 or $200,000. And btw, there is a spending cap if they accept federal matching funds, totaling $45 million. I think both candidates opted out of it.
As for 527s, it's named after section 527 of the McCain-Feingold act that allows these groups to exist. They operate independently of any campaigns, but as long as they have disclaimers of who they are on their ads, they can endorse or attack a nominee. There is no spending limit, nor any restrictions on who can donate to these groups. They'd probably still exist if it weren't for section 527, as it is their constitutional right, so I don't see how these groups can be legislated out of existence.

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I prefer they battled the same way they did in the flash "This Land"

"Bush is a great Crusader, Kerry is a hermit-munster"

I think it's Herman Munster. See for yourself. ;-)

http://www.space-debris.com/com_gwynne_munst.jpg

And Bush is a chimpanzee.. *shrug*
It's a propaganda war, a farce and it makes the US even more the object of jokes all over the world.

Hey, I wasn't taking it that seriously--I was just nitpicking a typo. ;-)

at least ann coulter hasnt blamed rush limbaughs drug addiction on john kerry...yet





lol CONSERVATIVE= EVIL

Yes this is one of the worst selection of canidates EVER. So I am going to go with the lesser of the two evils George Bush.

Yes this is one of the worst selection of canidates EVER. So I am going to go with the lesser of the two evils George Bush.
this coming from a person who just said homosexuals shouldnt have rights and dont have the right to live. shit man go join bush's campaign, they HATE gay people

y'all are forgetting the soon-to-be-released photos of ralph nader getting sexual favors from zell miller!!

y'all are forgetting the soon-to-be-released photos of ralph nader getting sexual favors from zell miller!!



Don't say that, or he'll challenge you to a duel.




"We will fight with swords at dawn! I will shove my Confederate Sabre into your impudent guts and spill them over the red Georgia clay! Then I will feed your insides to my bloodhound "Antietam"!"

Don't say that, or he'll challenge you to a duel.




"We will fight with swords at dawn! I will shove my Confederate Sabre into your impudent guts and spill them over the red Georgia clay! Then I will feed your insides to my bloodhound "Antietam"!"

OHMYGOD I TAKE IT BACK

it'll be photos of ralph nader giving sexual favors TO zell miller!

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Individuals are limited to giving $2,000 to any candidate in a convention cycle--that's up from $1,000 before McCain-Feingold.

They're able to give unlimited amounts to 527 groups and the rules for PACs are just weird, and I'll be damned if I understand them completely. I think you can give huge amounts to PACs, but they're limited in how they can spend specific money--ads have to be paid for with hard money while other expenses and programs can be paid for by soft money, but don't quote me on that.

The sooner this election is over the better. That is all the further I will dive into the issue for right now.

if you ask me it dosen´t even matter who you vote both partys are almost the same having a two party system is not wery democratic when you can only chose betwen the two.In erope and in Asia most countrys have many partys (well not china) i say americans should start a few new partys you know just to keep a littel compittision in politics.

Individuals are limited to giving $2,000 to any candidate in a convention cycle--that's up from $1,000 before McCain-Feingold.

They're able to give unlimited amounts to 527 groups and the rules for PACs are just weird, and I'll be damned if I understand them completely. I think you can give huge amounts to PACs, but they're limited in how they can spend specific money--ads have to be paid for with hard money while other expenses and programs can be paid for by soft money, but don't quote me on that.
Oh. I thought it was $200,000. My bad.
In any case, even with such severe limits on donations, it baffles me that Bush and Kerry can raise as much money as they have.

Oh. I thought it was $200,000. My bad.
In any case, even with such severe limits on donations, it baffles me that Bush and Kerry can raise as much money as they have.True. The one who really got it started, who got people to believe that small contributions can add up and got people really interested in the political process from a monetary viewpoint was Howard Dean. He proved that you can raise a lot of money really quickly from a core of people giving $15, $20, or $50 at a time. Dean said during the days before the primaries when he opted out of public matching funds that all it would take was a million people giving $200 a piece. I don't know if Kerry or Bush ever got to that million people, but they got close enough that the people who gave the max made up for it.

True. The one who really got it started, who got people to believe that small contributions can add up and got people really interested in the political process from a monetary viewpoint was Howard Dean. He proved that you can raise a lot of money really quickly from a core of people giving $15, $20, or $50 at a time. Dean said during the days before the primaries when he opted out of public matching funds that all it would take was a million people giving $200 a piece. I don't know if Kerry or Bush ever got to that million people, but they got close enough that the people who gave the max made up for it.
Well, he's no gonna recieve an honored place in US history, for he may have changed politics forever. We have gone from an era of "institutional politics", where lobbyists, corporations, unions, and law firms own Washington, to "mass politics", where people make up their own damn minds. I'm not happy about it, as it may lead to the so-called "elected autocrats", but we'll see what happens.

this coming from a person who just said homosexuals shouldnt have rights and dont have the right to live. shit man go join bush's campaign, they HATE gay people

No they got Cheney with the lesbian daughter. And they have deported all the illegal immigrants, denounced the UN enough, or closed the borders. We need Rumsfeld for president and Ashcroft for vice president.

if you ask me it dosen´t even matter who you vote both partys are almost the same having a two party system is not wery democratic when you can only chose betwen the two.In erope and in Asia most countrys have many partys (well not china) i say americans should start a few new partys you know just to keep a littel compittision in politics.

There are dozens of political parties in the US. Starting a political party in the US is super easy. It's not the government's fault that people only pay attention to a specific two.

There are rules for getting a candidate on the ballot and if a party doesn't follow those rules, they don't get their candidate on the ballot. It's just that simple.

There's also a rule that states that you cannot participate in the debates if you didn't get at least 15% support in an average of five national polls. It's a good system. If you can't get even a tiny bit of support, then you probably should just drop out of the race.

Yeah, there are two major parties, but keep in mind that in the 1856 Presidential election, John C. Fremont was a "third party" candidate ... he was the first Republican to run for President. The two major parties at the time were the Democrats and the Whig Party.

So ... look at history ... the US didn't begin in 1992 ...