NationStates Jolt Archive

The best system of health care is the one that provides for all people, rather than just for the few that can afford it. A system such as Canada, where everyone is supposed to be treated by the same doctors and system no matter how rich or poor you are, is the best one. I don't understand how any country can allow its citizens to die simply because the medical insurance is too expensive when there is enough equipment, doctors, and medicine to treat them!

I don't understand why you Americans cannot simply provide for everyone with the same system. I saw Bill O'Reilly on TV a few days ago saying that there should be both a government insurance for those uninsured and those that can afford it can buy their own. That's stupid. Usually that ends up having the government-insured people getting the worst care because the rich and powerful don't care.

The best system of health care is the one that provides for all people, rather than just for the few that can afford it. A system such as Canada, where everyone is supposed to be treated by the same doctors and system no matter how rich or poor you are, is the best one. I don't understand how any country can allow its citizens to die simply because the medical insurance is too expensive when there is enough equipment, doctors, and medicine to treat them!

It is left up to the states to decide for universal health care. There is a few I know of that have it and abuot 40 something that don't.

I don't understand why you Americans cannot simply provide for everyone with the same system. I saw Bill O'Reilly on TV a few days ago saying that there should be both a government insurance for those uninsured and those that can afford it can buy their own. That's stupid. Usually that ends up having the government-insured people getting the worst care because the rich and powerful don't care.

No matter how rich or poor you are, In the states you decide what you want to do with you're own capital. This issue has been around for some time and the citizens have spoken that they don't want it.

The best system of health care is the one that provides for all people, rather than just for the few that can afford it. A system such as Canada, where everyone is supposed to be treated by the same doctors and system no matter how rich or poor you are, is the best one. I don't understand how any country can allow its citizens to die simply because the medical insurance is too expensive when there is enough equipment, doctors, and medicine to treat them!

I don't understand why you Americans cannot simply provide for everyone with the same system. I saw Bill O'Reilly on TV a few days ago saying that there should be both a government insurance for those uninsured and those that can afford it can buy their own. That's stupid. Usually that ends up having the government-insured people getting the worst care because the rich and powerful don't care.
first of all....canada... :eek:

next...it is not my responsibilty to pay for someon elses health insurance just because they have a shitty job.

and the problem would not be nearly as bad if the legal system in this country was not so fucked up...so many frivelous mal-practice lawsuits, that doctors can barely even stay in business...ithe cost of insurance for doctors is astrnomical! it would not be nearly as expensive to do operations and surgery etc if it did not cost so much for the doctors to insure themselves against these mal-practice frivelous law suits. the legal system in this country is what is messing everything up...cost of operating, and therefore cost of insurance would go down if we got rid of these lawsuits.

Canada's health care, is far from perfect. People have to wait in lines for weeks. I think the average amognst the provinces is 14 weeks,(correct me if I'm wrong) and like everywhere else, the rich can get around this blip, by paying heavy money. Doctors more than deserve the wages they demand. They pay more than almost any other person, to get to where they are, and they need something back. Someone is not going to go through major debt, and years of training, just to work for dirt.

Canada's health care, is far from perfect. People have to wait in lines for weeks. I think the average amognst the provinces is 14 weeks,(correct me if I'm wrong) and like everywhere else, the rich can get around this blip, by paying heavy money. Doctors more than deserve the wages they demand. They pay more than almost any other person, to get to where they are, and they need something back. Someone is not going to go through major debt, and years of training, just to work for dirt.
exactly! and add to that the HUGE price they pay for mal-practice insurance...

exactly! and add to that the HUGE price they pay for mal-practice insurance...

You could count the malpractice lawsuits in Canada each year on one hand.

Eliminating malpractice suits did nothing to increase the quality of Canadian Healthcare - it just lets bad doctors off the hook. Canadian Healthcare is crap not only for the long waits and poor attention, but also the bad doctors are not held accountable.

I think the best way to reduce healthcare costs in America is not to eliminate or even cap medical lawsuits - it would be to cap the % and/or $ amount an attorney could receive in a monetary judgement.

Providing free healthcare should be up to the individual states. So far the so-called problem has only provided ancedotal cases of people going without needed care for serious issues.

Having worked as an emergency responder in college in a state with free healthcare I can tell you it was NOT the wealthy who abused the system with frivilous calls for help.

Universal health care in a state of "good" isn't feasible for a nation or any reasonable size. Maybe if we were talking about Lichtenstein or Monaco, but part of why we do not have universal HC is, as already pointed out, voters don't want it. I don't agree with out health care system, but it's not ALL that bad. And you use Canada as your example yet Canada has its fair share of health care problems. I like the direction they've gone with universal health care, but that doesn't improve the quality, legislation doesn't penalize the bad docs and you can wait past the point of no return with a serious problem.

Each system has trade-offs. They aren't always equal trades but somewhere along the way they even out.

Something for you I, me, mine types to consider.

You have health care. The neighbors up the street don't. Their kids are good kids and your kid plays with them.

One gets sick, then another, and another and finally the last one. Don't have health care so they try and solve it on their own.

Your kid still visits to bring candy and to see how they are doing.

Finally the first two get super sick and they go to the emergency room. Outcome. spinal menegitas and now your kid been exposed. You get to play a two week waiting game while you wait for symptoms. Add in the fact your kid is 3 so they don't always tell you what is going on.

So before you simply say fuckem write them off, they can affect you.

Now on to the comments:

first of all....canada... :eek:

next...it is not my responsibilty to pay for someon elses health insurance just because they have a shitty job.

Well slick you insurence premiums would go into a general pool to pay for basic coverage. So you aren't paying for everybody else.


and the problem would not be nearly as bad if the legal system in this country was not so fucked up...so many frivelous mal-practice lawsuits, that doctors can barely even stay in business...ithe cost of insurance for doctors is astrnomical!

Well slick sure the lawyers are to blame but the doctors have a hand in it as well. How many quacks have you seen get the license taken away. The AMA does everything it can to prevent outsiders from policing the efforts.


it would not be nearly as expensive to do operations and surgery etc if it did not cost so much for the doctors to insure themselves against these mal-practice frivelous law suits.


To suggest that all malpractice suits are frivolous is rather ignorant.

Surgey would still be rather expensive as they have a trapped customer base. You can't simply go "Well I don't have enough money so I can just do without"

The Doctors don't have to compete either. Ever see a price list up front. Ever get told the cost up front?


the legal system in this country is what is messing everything up...cost of operating, and therefore cost of insurance would go down if we got rid of these lawsuits.

Until the system polices itself and the quack doctors get tossed, then what you going to do? The are severe screw ups all the time. A friend went in for a simple bone spur on his back. The Doc screwed up and damaged his spine. He can barely turn his back.

Kind of wipes out his employment capabilities since he did construction. So he filed a "frivolous" lawsuit against the doc and used the money for education. Still does not ease the fact he walks around like a board.

Finally, Insurence also has a blame in this as well. Why is it all doctors get slammed with increases? You have a Doc who has a sterling record for 10-20 years and he pays the same fees as Dr. Screwup.

Could it be they see money opportunities?

Hmmmmmmm

No matter how rich or poor you are, In the states you decide what you want to do with you're own capital. This issue has been around for some time and the citizens have spoken that they don't want it.

Don't think that the common US citizen agrees with that, given the fact of the retarded medical technology they have acces to..

I don't think a system like Canada's healthcare would work. It is too uneffecient. However I think something needs to be changed in the USA though. The Health Care industry is one of the biggest money making ventures and for that reason it will probably never be changed in USA. Too many people have make too much money off of it to let it go by the way side. Sad but true.

When Clinton tried to push single-payer healthcare through Congress in 1993 the Democrats were severely punished in the midterm elections. The American public chose not to set up a socialist healthcare system.

None of the countries with single-payer healthcare systems ever gave their citizens a choice on the matter; now they pay punitive taxes to fund government bloat.

When Clinton tried to push single-payer healthcare through Congress in 1993 the Democrats were severely punished in the midterm elections. The American public chose not to set up a socialist healthcare system.




That's because the Republicans lied about the issue and muddied the waters to make "Socialized" medicine out to be a boogeyman.

That's because the Republicans lied about the issue and muddied the waters to make "Socialized" medicine out to be a boogeyman.

Lied? You mean when Clinton said that his legislation would not increase the size of government? Anyone can look north and see what a dismal failure single-payer healthcare is; the GOP need not demonize it. You obviously didn't pay any attention to the issue or aren't old enough to remember.

Don't think that the common US citizen agrees with that, given the fact of the retarded medical technology they have acces to..

The voting since the conception of this country has proven that this is in deed the thoughts of the common American. Otherwise you would have such a program in place by now.

first of all....canada... :eek:

next...it is not my responsibilty to pay for someon elses health insurance just because they have a shitty job.

and the problem would not be nearly as bad if the legal system in this country was not so fucked up...so many frivelous mal-practice lawsuits, that doctors can barely even stay in business...ithe cost of insurance for doctors is astrnomical! it would not be nearly as expensive to do operations and surgery etc if it did not cost so much for the doctors to insure themselves against these mal-practice frivelous law suits. the legal system in this country is what is messing everything up...cost of operating, and therefore cost of insurance would go down if we got rid of these lawsuits.

Haha you sound like a George Bush speech. Wow, what a greedy inconsiderate person you are. I think you should keep to your stats over your assumptions of why people can't pay a healthcare bill.