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Well now the U.S is even making official. You will note however, that they still are playing on uncertainty to preserve their dignity through the whole "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!! (related programs)"

The truth is it didnt make any sense that Iraq kept stockpiles of Chemical weapons, or was trying to make more. Not even Iraq's neighbours felt Iraq was a threat, Only the Neo-cons. Who lived no where near the Mid-east. It made no sense that saddam would Risk Irking the Ire of the Western world, To keep things as they were would be to keep the country stable and Him in power, Why risk it?

Funy how easily entire populations of countries can be fooled, with just the right kind of subtle media manipulation isnt it?

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Well now the U.S is even making official. You will note however, that they still are playing on uncertainty to preserve their dignity through the whole "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!! (related programs)"

The truth is it didnt make any sense that Iraq kept stockpiles of Chemical weapons, or was trying to make more. Not even Iraq's neighbours felt Iraq was a threat, Only the Neo-cons. Who lived no where near the Mid-east. It made no sense that saddam would Risk Irking the Ire of the Western world, To keep things as they were would be to keep the country stable and Him in power, Why risk it?

Funy how easily entire populations of countries can be fooled, with just the right kind of subtle media manipulation isnt it?

But hey, it's a lot easier to attack a country when you know they don't have WMD's or any other weapons either. ;)

If a country actually had WMDs, America would not attack it. Our Government is not stupid. That's why they're planning to attack Iran before they can defend themselves with nukes...

If a country actually had WMDs, America would not attack it. Our Government is not stupid. That's why they're planning to attack Iran before they can defend themselves with nukes...

I think it's funny how we attacked the wrong country...but that's just me, I find a lot of sad things funny.

I think it's funny how we attacked the wrong country...but that's just me, I find a lot of sad things funny.



Why is Iran getting their own nukes sad? I think every country on the planet should have nukes. It would cut down drastically on invasions and war in general.

True, but what happen when Private factions get a hold of them. The reason they are private factions, and ot governing the country is precisely because they dont have nukes.

Why is Iran getting their own nukes sad? I think every country on the planet should have nukes. It would cut down drastically on invasions and war in general.

Yes...until war or invasion actually occurs and before you know it our genitals are glowing.

I don't trust religious people with nukes, they think there's life after death! :D

God, its true isnt it?

Jesus! Save us from your followers!

Yes...until war or invasion actually occurs and before you know it our genitals are glowing.

I don't trust religious people with nukes, they think there's life after death! :D




I believe in reincarnation...Besides, who said governments could'nt keep nukes out of terrorists' hands? The U.S has pretty good "Nuke Security" goin' on...Russia...That's another matter..

Why is Iran getting their own nukes sad? I think every country on the planet should have nukes. It would cut down drastically on invasions and war in general.

Wow. Moral equivalence at its worst.

Well unless you want to be reincarnated into a Rodent, or as Microbial Spore, you'll be against proliferation.

The truth is it didnt make any sense that Iraq kept stockpiles of Chemical weapons, or was trying to make more. Not even Iraq's neighbours felt Iraq was a threat, Only the Neo-cons.

Guess the Saudis were neocons then. ;)

It made no sense that saddam would Risk Irking the Ire of the Western world, To keep things as they were would be to keep the country stable and Him in power, Why risk it?

As I recall, Saddam repeated used WMD to keep the Iraqi population in line.

Funy how easily entire populations of countries can be fooled, with just the right kind of subtle media manipulation isnt it?

Yeah, Michael Moore is frigteningly effective. Makes Goebbels look like a Boy Scout.

How is that moral equivalance? explain yourself cogently or you will be exposed as the phony you have allways been.

How is that moral equivalance? explain yourself cogently or you will be exposed as the phony you have allways been.

You say everyone should have nukes simply because that will decrease the number of invasions and wars. Unfortunately, not everyone operates at the same moral level as the Western powers who possess nuclear weapons. Many countries, upon acquiring nuclear arms, would immediately use them to attack Israel, for example.

By saying that all countries should have nukes you equate Western liberal morality with everyone else, a ridiculous comparison.

The Saudi's do what they are told. Just because they "Supported" the war, doesnt mean the felt iraq was a threat.

And Saddam did use Chemical weapons, but not biological, or nuclear to keep the racial minoriteis in line. Well more than a Decade ago. Those things do have a useby date you know.

And yeah, Micheal moore is pretty good. But he's more about popularising and satirising politics than pushing A view. Note how he demeans everyone. He uses negativity, not positivity, Which is what propagandists use.

The Saudi's do what they are told. Just because they "Supported" the war, doesnt mean the felt iraq was a threat.

The Saudis thought Iraq was a threat even after Gulf I through the 90's.

And Saddam did use Chemical weapons, but not biological, or nuclear to keep the racial minoriteis in line. Well more than a Decade ago. Those things do have a useby date you know.

Some chemical weapons have a very long shelf life. And the UN has never, ever given Iraq a clean sheet on WMD inspections, right up to Gulf II. Common sense dictates the Baathists still maintained stocks of WMD.

And yeah, Micheal moore is pretty good. But he's more about popularising and satirising politics than pushing A view. Note how he demeans everyone. He uses negativity, not positivity, Which is what propagandists use.

Everyone? LOL.

Here's a quote off bash.org that pretty much sums up my opinion:

<toe2toe> the part i like is where IRAQ's going "we got nothing"
<toe2toe> and US is going "PFFFT WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU OUT"
<toe2toe> and then
<toe2toe> North Koreas going "CHECK OUT OUR NUKES, BUDDY"
<toe2toe> and US is going "Hey... are you iraq? no? THEN STAY OUT OF IT"

Isnt it ironic?

Actually this topic has been rehashe quite a lot. I think "Bush is a moron" is quite a common opinion. So what? Maybe it's time to stop arguing about what's ahppened and take a look at what's going to happen.

Saudi Arabia has the oil...They know this makes them a good target, so they support the U.S to avoid getting invaded. This will not save them, as our government (yes, even the Kerry Government, if there is one in the near future), is planning on invading them and Iran anyway (Iran before Arabia, probably)...Please do not speak of Micheal Moore, that fat dipshi* sickens me..He is a filthy rotten lieing Gun-Controller who wishes to take away our freedom to bear arms.

Saudi Arabia has the oil...They know this makes them a good target, so they support the U.S to avoid getting invaded. This will not save them, as our government (yes, even the Kerry Government, if there is one in the near future), is planning on invading them and Iran anyway (Iran before Arabia, probably)...Please do not speak of Micheal Moore, that fat dipshi* sickens me..He is a filthy rotten lieing Gun-Controller who wishes to take away our freedom to bear arms.

That's a pretty phony conspiracy theory there. :)

Saudi Arabia has the oil...They know this makes them a good target, so they support the U.S to avoid getting invaded. This will not save them, as our government (yes, even the Kerry Government, if there is one in the near future), is planning on invading them and Iran anyway (Iran before Arabia, probably)...Please do not speak of Micheal Moore, that fat dipshi* sickens me..He is a filthy rotten lieing Gun-Controller who wishes to take away our freedom to bear arms.

But he's funny as hell.

That's more than Ann Coulter can say.

But he's funny as hell.

That's more than Ann Coulter can say.

Yeah, but she's easier on the eyes. ;)

Heh, Gulf war II? Dont talk to me about Propaganda. As I said, jsut because the Saudi's supported the war doesnt mean that they felt Iraq was a threat.

And no, common sense Didnt, For reasons I mentioned. They would do Iraq no good, and could have cost the Baathists power. Iraq is in such a sensitive part of the world, that if they launched a Kickass fullscale chemical or biological attack, Isreal would have nuked them without even thinking.

EDIT: SIF SHE IS! She looks like some kinda inbred zombie, note the sloping forehead. She just looks creepy to me. And juding by what little of her I have read, she probably does have some Chromosomal issues.

"The pretty girls are my allies" DUDE, WTF? LOL!

Yeah, but she's easier on the eyes. ;)




Just barely...(looks at pictures of both...Pukes)

Yeah, but she's easier on the eyes. ;)

I dunno. She really isn't that hot at all if you ask me.

Plus if she saw an erection, her first instinct would probebly be to rip it off.

Heh, Gulf war II? Dont talk to me about Propaganda. As I said, jsut because the Saudi's supported the war doesnt mean that they felt Iraq was a threat.

Then why were we stationed for so long in Saudi Arabia at their behest, risking the ire of muslim terrorists? Because we *thought* they were our allies. What a terrible mistake. Either way, since Gulf I the Saudis have considered Iraq to be a serious threat.

And no, common sense Didnt, For reasons I mentioned. They would do Iraq no good, and could have cost the Baathists power. Iraq is in such a sensitive part of the world, that if they launched a Kickass fullscale chemical or biological attack, Isreal would have nuked them without even thinking.

If Saddam had no reason to keep WMD around, he wouldn't have played hide-and-seek with the inspectors for a decade; he would have nothing to hide. It is safer to err on the side of caution.

I dunno. She really isn't that hot at all if you ask me.

Plus if she saw an erection, her first instinct would probebly be to rip it off.

Next to Moore, she's gorgeous.

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Well now the U.S is even making official. You will note however, that they still are playing on uncertainty to preserve their dignity through the whole "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!! (related programs)"

The truth is it didnt make any sense that Iraq kept stockpiles of Chemical weapons, or was trying to make more. Not even Iraq's neighbours felt Iraq was a threat, Only the Neo-cons. Who lived no where near the Mid-east. It made no sense that saddam would Risk Irking the Ire of the Western world, To keep things as they were would be to keep the country stable and Him in power, Why risk it?

Funy how easily entire populations of countries can be fooled, with just the right kind of subtle media manipulation isnt it?

Can you explain to me why in '95 then why Saddam's brother in law fled to Jordan and told UN weapons inspectors exactly where to look and find those WMDs he supposedly wasnt building because it made no sense for him to build them? Frankly something is wrong with the idea of Saddam just giving up his WMDs. He might have had them before the US began to threaten him left and right and he hid them, moved them, or heck even destroyed them to make the US look bad. Of course back in '95 there was no Neo-con in office, it was Clinton..who botched just 3 years lateri n 98 when Saddam kicked weapons inspectors out and did nothing except a 24 hour light show at the cost of 100 million to US tax payers and the usage of weapons which could have been used elsewhere.

Next to Moore, she's gorgeous.



I don't care...Both of them can go jump into a Giant Meat Grinder of Death.

before you know it our genitals are glowing.


You mean they aren't already supposed to?

Next to Moore, she's gorgeous.
Ah don't be so superficial, look for the "inner beauty". There's a lot more volume of potential inner beauty with Moore than with Coulter. I think there was an astute quote here about her questionable chromosomal issues.
And as i'd said on another post far, far away, the two of 'em should just get lathered up in chocolate syrup & whipped cream and have a go at it on a bisqueen mat. Body hair optional (traction).

If Saddam had no reason to keep WMD around, he wouldn't have played hide-and-seek with the inspectors for a decade; he would have nothing to hide. It is safer to err on the side of caution.
Are you sure you want all your enemies to know you have nothing to defend your country with?
If they would have been open about their weaponry, other countries would have marched in much earlier.

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/World/Investigative.Reportsaddams.Wmd.Have.Been.Found-670120.shtml


this is good
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2003w14/msg00519.htm

long read
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php

http://www.everythingiknowiswrong.com/2004/04/saddams_wmd_hav.html

this is a good question (remember the US sold him some of those WMD )
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/wmd-a22.shtml

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/World/Investigative.Reportsaddams.Wmd.Have.Been.Found-670120.shtml

"New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported."


Hehe, the first one was enough for me. You really believe this? You think Rebublicans wouldn't take everything out of it? Rumsfeld even finally admitted that there were no WMD's...Sure I believe this insight-story.

you missed the link about the weapons of minimum destruction

second link

you missed the link about the weapons of minimum destruction

second link
Ok, :D.

Sorry, I got carried away...

And I always thought that WMD stands for "Weapons of Mass Distraction" ... :confused:

No one will ever be able to convince me that after years of dodging inspections and playing the "draw out" game before the inspections leading up to the war that Saddam saw the error of his ways and destroyed the WMD's that he supposedly destroyed. The fact that some of them just aren't accounted for is really what seals the deal for me on wether or not he still has them. Like he wouldn't document destroying them and have proof. Of course he would, just so he would be able to show the U.N. that he did it and get a little breathing space.