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I got tired of all the political stuff here so I decided to tell you about my crazy ass history teacher. She has rather radical ideas, such as if you might possibley say something that maybe a slight bit racist, even if your joking, your as bad as Hitler. That's not an exaggeration. She told us...

"You better stop using that term you kids like to use, and it's not funny at all. If you keep on using it, you're just as bad as Hitler."

Now that "term" is saying that something is "Jewish"
Ex. That rule is really "Jewish"

Now, I have NEVER said that. Apparently since she heard one kid say it about 5 years ago, all of her students are automatically racist or use that term. Then she yelled at us because some of us "Smiled" or "Found it funny" I did because I remembered that the "term" originated from South Park. Then I thought of the Terrance and Philip song, you know, the one about being an uncle f*cker? Then I started laughing. Man, I can't wait till summer.... About 115 days left.......

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.

I just hate people like this (oops, did I say hate? I mean "Really don't like", yeah, that's it...), and I consider myself an insanely Left-Winged Liberal person.

I just hate people like this (oops, did I say hate? I mean "Really don't like", yeah, that's it...), and I consider myself an insanely Left-Winged Liberal person.
Yeah... Me too. Ugh...school.....

People like her make REAL Liberals (who don't believe in Political Correctness or Gun Control) look bad.

People like her make REAL Liberals (who don't believe in Political Correctness or Gun Control) look bad.
That is exactly what I think.

Just like there's different types of conservatives (Religous nuts, neocons, libertarians) there's different types of liberals.

You have social liberals that dont have a problem with contraception, gay marriage, or sex before marriage.

Then you have the PC crowd, who would rather not even have sex-ed in school, as it could offend someone.

As well, the affirmative action/reparations crowd, which I think has gone too far.

People like her make REAL Liberals (who don't believe in Political Correctness or Gun Control) look bad.
People like her are the real liberals.

Just like there's different types of conservatives (Religous nuts, neocons, libertarians) there's different types of liberals.

You have social liberals that dont have a problem with contraception, gay marriage, or sex before marriage.

Then you have the PC crowd, who would rather not even have sex-ed in school, as it could offend someone.

As well, the affirmative action/reparations crowd, which I think has gone too far.



I'm of the Social Liberal variety, and I don't believe in reparations, but I DO believe in Affirmative Action, but I think it should be changed from race-based to class-based (as in Socio-economic class)...But I'm sure there are allot more "Liberal Combos" than even you thought up..

I'm of the Social Liberal variety, and I don't believe in reparations, but I DO believe in Affirmative Action, but I think it should be changed from race-based to class-based (as in Socio-economic class)...But I'm sure there are allot more "Liberal Combos" than even you thought up..

I just threw out a few off the top of my head. As well, I agree with you on affirmative action, as in its current incarnation it discriminates for rich minorities and against poor whites.


People like her are the real liberals.

Oh, okay, and the people who murder abortion doctors, drag black people from pickup trucks, break the windows of Muslim-owned shops, and beat gays to death are the real conservatives.

Not very helpful, aye?

heh makes me glad I am not in shcool anymore.

People like her are the real liberals.
Guess I'm not a REAL liberal then...hmm.

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.
What is your point? :0 Where did it say this teacher is leftist? Most Jews aren't. Your logic is beyond everything...

I got tired of all the political stuff here...

A nice idea, in theory, but I guess on the NS boards something like that isn't possible.

:)

What is your point? :0 Where did it say this teacher is leftist? Most Jews aren't. Your logic is beyond everything...

I would be very surprised if that teacher was not a leftist.

My friends jokingly use that term. It's just a bit of Politically incorrect Fun.

It really pisses me off when people use "jewish," "gay," or other group labels in a highly inappropriate fashion.

It speaks to a lack of respect, an imprecise understanding of language, and perpetuates stereotypes. In historical terms, linguistics perpetuates thought; few things spread a concept more thoroughly than embedding it in the common language as slang.

Allot of Liberals are PC, but not all Liberals are PC. Some Liberals actually loathe the rabid PCists for making Liberals look bad, but I hate them most of all for being Fascistic and Anti-Freedom-of-Expression.

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.

LoL. My social science teacher (teaches me legal studies) told me to sit down because my bill of rights had communist sentiments.

(everybody has a right to state owned housing)
(everybody has a right to a job)
etc.
The funny thing is it was a discussion based bill of rights (we were to make our own and then argue our point of view)

hard to argue my point of view when I'm told to sit down, no?

YARR

Allot of Liberals are PC, but not all Liberals are PC. Some Liberals actually loathe the rabid PCists for making Liberals look bad, but I hate them most of all for being Fascistic and Anti-Freedom-of-Expression.


Don't you just hate fascists? I love my first amendment.

Yeah I'm that way. Political correctness has is drawbacks.
Gemany still wont allow themselves to talk about or get over shit that happened 70 years ago.

LoL. My social science teacher (teaches me legal studies) told me to sit down because my bill of rights had communist sentiments.

(everybody has a right to state owned housing)
(everybody has a right to a job)
etc.
The funny thing is it was a discussion based bill of rights (we were to make our own and then argue our point of view)

hard to argue my point of view when I'm told to sit down, no?

YARR




What a f*cking as*hole...God, if it's not Liberal proffesors it's Conservative ones....I would've wanted to smack him upside the head with my Bill o' Rights and say "Make your own if you wanna discuss the issue, fu*kwad!"

Yeah I'm that way. Political correctness has is drawbacks.
Gemany still wont allow themselves to talk about or get over shit that happened 70 years ago.



God, a few billion dead and they still can't get over it...Wussies (just kidding)

It really pisses me off when people use "jewish," "gay," or other group labels in a highly inappropriate fashion.

It speaks to a lack of respect, an imprecise understanding of language, and perpetuates stereotypes. In historical terms, linguistics perpetuates thought; few things spread a concept more thoroughly than embedding it in the common language as slang.

I entirely agree; though at some point in history, these phrases make a resurgence simply as a 'joke' term, more than an actual ideology.

when I joke around with my very metro but straight friend that he's a "fagnet" no one gets mad.

But when I'm debating with someone over gay marriage and someone says "Those pervert judges shouldnt let fags marry" it's different...

Words mean things, but their usage can change too.

"******" is another classic example of words having time and place to be used, and time and places not to be used.

The PC crowd fails to realize the distinction.

PC crowd: liberals:: anti-civil rights: conservatives

Both are fringe members who shouldn't be taken that seriously.

Thats mighty white of her.

What is a squatch anyways?

What is a squatch anyways?


Long story.

It would take its own thread.

Long story.

It would take its own thread.

Well, I'm interested-post away :D

Yeah, its a lot more deserving than most of the crap that gets posted around here.

It really pisses me off when people use "jewish," "gay," or other group labels in a highly inappropriate fashion.

It speaks to a lack of respect, an imprecise understanding of language, and perpetuates stereotypes. In historical terms, linguistics perpetuates thought; few things spread a concept more thoroughly than embedding it in the common language as slang.

Well, technically you're right, are you? But sometimes I just gotto have to make some fun with using that words... I mean, my Grandpa was a jew, he saw the KZ from inside and lost some of his Brothers there.... but You know, this old Joke about luck and badluck its just so funny, I just HAVE to tell it someone....


The Joke:

-You know what's luck?
- No, what?
-If you manage to get into a gas chamber with windows....

-You know whats bad luck?
-No, what?
-If that windows are all sealed...

Just like there's different types of conservatives (Religous nuts, neocons, libertarians) there's different types of liberals.

Libertarians are not conservatives. We hate Bush as much, if not more than, Kerry. Do conservatives want to end victimless crimes, imperialism and immigration controls?

I don't even think I've seen a conservative teacher other than maybe 2 or 3.

Yeah. Conservative teacher is an oxymoron. You have to be ready to update your knowledge and to be willing to stand other views than yours. ;)

People like her are the real liberals.

No, she's not. She advocates a limit on free speech because it might be found offensive to someone. That's authoritarian.

People like her are the real liberals.No, people like her try to limit freedom of speech. Real liberals try to remove limits to free speech.

Libertarians are not conservatives. We hate Bush as much, if not more than, Kerry. Do conservatives want to end victimless crimes, imperialism and immigration controls?Depends. While that's the stance you'd take can you honestly say all the people who call themselves libertarians feel the same way? It's a very broad term.

I don't even think I've seen a conservative teacher other than maybe 2 or 3. Yeah, but by your standards hardly anyone's a conservative.;)

I would be very surprised if that teacher was not a leftist.
Well, if she was Jewish, she could just have a persecution complex.

Nobody intelligent enough to understand the terms would say I ain't liberal. I have a very "live and let live" mindset on just about everything, I'm generally as laid-back as possible, and no expression of opinion bothers me* on any level but an intellectual one (as in, factual correctness, and occasionally seeking the thinking behind an opinion). I refer to myself as a faggot all the time, my friends know damn near anything's fine, and I don't give it a second thought.


*Some people here might remember my meltdown when someone insulted mathematicians a few months ago (snail-something?), and I've broken more than a few ribs over people calling my sister a whore, but unless it's very personal, live and let live.

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.

I wouldn't say that. One of my History teachers was very conservative.

I got tired of all the political stuff here so I decided to tell you about my crazy ass history teacher. She has rather radical ideas, such as if you might possibley say something that maybe a slight bit racist, even if your joking, your as bad as Hitler. That's not an exaggeration. She told us...

"You better stop using that term you kids like to use, and it's not funny at all. If you keep on using it, you're just as bad as Hitler."

Now that "term" is saying that something is "Jewish"
Ex. That rule is really "Jewish"

Now, I have NEVER said that. Apparently since she heard one kid say it about 5 years ago, all of her students are automatically racist or use that term. Then she yelled at us because some of us "Smiled" or "Found it funny" I did because I remembered that the "term" originated from South Park. Then I thought of the Terrance and Philip song, you know, the one about being an uncle f*cker? Then I started laughing. Man, I can't wait till summer.... About 115 days left.......

My opinion: it's stupid of her to use that comparison, but it's stupid of your peers to use that phrase.

"That rule is really Jewish" doesn't offend me, it confuses me. To me, it just doesn't make sense, and I can't think of any situation it might apply to.

However, were someone to say it around me, I think I'd get, at the very least, a tad annoyed. I'd at least want clarification- just like if someone said, "that rule's really Chinese".

My gov/econ teacher was AWFUL. He was a history major, so we bearly talked about the government at all-it was like US History all over again. It sucked. Plus, he was a neocon. Twice, we had debates. In both of them, he'd get involved, and I'd WHOOP HIS ASS. So he wouldn't allow any more debates after that >_<

What is your point? :0 Where did it say this teacher is leftist? Most Jews aren't. Your logic is beyond everything...

What constitutes a "leftist"? In America, there are certainly much more liberal Jews than conservative ones.

Did I miss something? Is the teacher Jewish?

Well, if she was Jewish, she could just have a persecution complex.

Or it could just be that she doesn't want people saying inappropriate (or stupid) things in her class. I don't really see the problem. My issue is with her trivializing Adolf Hitler. IMO, that's much worse than someone appropriating the term "Jewish" and using it out of context in a supposed joke.

My opinion: it's stupid of her to use that comparison, but it's stupid of your peers to use that phrase.

"That rule is really Jewish" doesn't offend me, it confuses me. To me, it just doesn't make sense, and I can't think of any situation it might apply to.

However, were someone to say it around me, I think I'd get, at the very least, a tad annoyed. I'd at least want clarification- just like if someone said, "that rule's really Chinese".

See, I always do that, and it really irritates people around me. They don't expect it.

"That's gay."
"Buh? How can homework be gay? There's no actual genders for homework."
"That's not what I meant."
"But that's what you said."

and

"That's so Jewish."
"No, actually, when I look at it, I see a minivan. It doesn't appear to have heritage or religion."
"Don't be a dick, you know what I mean."
"No, I don't. unless you're pressing an untrue stereotype-that I honestly don't even KNOW-towards an inanimate object, thus making yourself appear to be much more moronic then you truly are."
"What?"
"Never mind, just be quiet."

people who refer to things as "jewish" really piss me off. And it seems to be a common phrase with kids these days. Not sure why.

I got tired of all the political stuff here so I decided to tell you about my crazy ass history teacher. She has rather radical ideas, such as if you might possibley say something that maybe a slight bit racist, even if your joking, your as bad as Hitler. That's not an exaggeration. She told us...

"You better stop using that term you kids like to use, and it's not funny at all. If you keep on using it, you're just as bad as Hitler."

Now that "term" is saying that something is "Jewish"
Ex. That rule is really "Jewish"

Now, I have NEVER said that. Apparently since she heard one kid say it about 5 years ago, all of her students are automatically racist or use that term. Then she yelled at us because some of us "Smiled" or "Found it funny" I did because I remembered that the "term" originated from South Park. Then I thought of the Terrance and Philip song, you know, the one about being an uncle f*cker? Then I started laughing. Man, I can't wait till summer.... About 115 days left.......

People like here are extreme republicans and pro Zionisme, wich is something completely different. A typical extremist that thinks that when your collegue uses the word "Jew" automaticly goes in the attack and thinks that she is surounded by Nazi chidren, forget biased teachers like that.

Wow, this thread has gotten a lot of posts. Some people seem to be confused with a few things so I'll answer them in the next posts.

LoL. My social science teacher (teaches me legal studies) told me to sit down because my bill of rights had communist sentiments.

(everybody has a right to state owned housing)
(everybody has a right to a job)
etc.
The funny thing is it was a discussion based bill of rights (we were to make our own and then argue our point of view)

hard to argue my point of view when I'm told to sit down, no?

YARR

In more free nations, you would be allowed to give your opinion...

My opinion: it's stupid of her to use that comparison, but it's stupid of your peers to use that phrase.

"That rule is really Jewish" doesn't offend me, it confuses me. To me, it just doesn't make sense, and I can't think of any situation it might apply to.

However, were someone to say it around me, I think I'd get, at the very least, a tad annoyed. I'd at least want clarification- just like if someone said, "that rule's really Chinese".
Yes, I agree with that, but none of my peers have actually said that. I never heard anyone say it in my class. She told us on the first or second day of school that the first year she was teaching that she heard a student say that. And my reaction was something like, "Blah, that kid is just joking around." Because I would consider myself independant with extreme Liberal ideas, as in no one should be limited on free speech. Or freedom of action, unless that action is throwing garbage cans at people in an attempt to hurt them. And I know racist things hurt people but I guess I don't get offended by things like that, or really anything. I would either ignore them or ask them, "What makes that Jewish?"

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.

I can't tell with my current SS teacher, but the ones I've had in the past were definitely left-wing.. One of them even tried to take us on a "guilt trip" because some of our ancestors may (or may not) have opressed native people.

people who refer to things as "jewish" really piss me off. And it seems to be a common phrase with kids these days. Not sure why.

I've had more experience with people saying, "that's so gay". But either way, it's still obnoxious.

People like here are extreme republicans and pro Zionisme, wich is something completely different.

You don't know that. That's merely your opinion. You know nothing about her politics on the left-right spectrum, and certainly nothing regarding her position on Zionism. Why you jump to these conclusions is quite puzzling to me.

A typical extremist that thinks that when your collegue uses the word "Jew" automaticly goes in the attack and thinks that she is surounded by Nazi chidren, forget biased teachers like that.

If I, a Jew, am around non-Jews, and hear someone saying, "that's so Jewish", my first reaction is going to be defensive, because I don't know the context of the term- are they being insulting or attacking, or not? It's not evidence of extremism, merely human psychological nature. A lot of people from any other ethnic group would react similarly.

Yes, the teacher is perhaps oversensitive, but it sounds like you're the one with a real bias.

If I, a Jew, am around non-Jews, and hear someone saying, "that's so Jewish", my first reaction is going to be defensive, because I don't know the context of the term- are they being insulting or attacking, or not? It's not evidence of extremism, merely human psychological nature. A lot of people from any other ethnic group would react similarly.

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I follow you here, in fact a bit what I tried to say. The kid himself said that it was not racial ment and his teacher overreacted.

I follow you here, in fact a bit what I tried to say. The kid himself said that it was not racial ment and his teacher overreacted.

No, in fact the kid said that none of his friends had ever said it, so he doesn't know HOW it was originally meant, because he wasn't there.

I agree that she's probably overreacting, but it doesn't mean that getting defensive when someone says, "that's so Jewish" is necessarily "bad", unreasonable, or "extremist", and it's certainly no justification for your remarks that she's obviously an "extreme republican" or "pro Zionism".

No, in fact the kid said that none of his friends had ever said it, so he doesn't know HOW it was originally meant, because he wasn't there.
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You will be right, guess my english was not good enough to see the nuance like you just explained.
all the best,
Basil

You will be right, guess my english was not good enough to see the nuance like you just explained.
all the best,
Basil

No problem. :)

I have a european history professor who likes discussing everyone's religion and doesn't even lecture on what were supposed to be learning about. In fact we had a heated debate on thursday on why im an atheist. So yeah I fully understand about history teachers lol

No, in fact the kid said that none of his friends had ever said it, so he doesn't know HOW it was originally meant, because he wasn't there.

I agree that she's probably overreacting, but it doesn't mean that getting defensive when someone says, "that's so Jewish" is necessarily "bad", unreasonable, or "extremist", and it's certainly no justification for your remarks that she's obviously an "extreme republican" or "pro Zionism".
But the thing is, she DID overreact. Her LITERAL words contained:
If you use this phrase, you're as bad as Hitler.

As usual, some people seem to have "liberal" and "authoritarian" mixed up. Nothing liberal or left wing about that teacher's attitude. It's apolitical authoritarianism, nothing more.

As usual, some people seem to have "liberal" and "authoritarian" mixed up. Nothing liberal or left wing about that teacher's attitude. It's apolitical authoritarianism, nothing more.
Exactly. I tell my mom that every day. She just laughs when I'm serious. I say something like, "The school is a dictartorship that controls whatever it likes. You have to do exactly as they say." Then she laughs. My dad however believes this. He's quite liberal. I'd consider him a Green Liberal.

But I kinda agree with the teacher. I would never allow racist talk like that in my class. Not liking a rule is one thing, but defaming a race because of it is offensive, and defining "Jewish" in a very negative term. I know if someone said "that rule is very Polish," You'd have my fist crammed down their throat.
Ok, so it doesn't make you Hitler, but it does make you intolerant to use in public. South Park uses racist terms all the time, and I agree, it is funny. But it is a COMEDY. Once you start using racist terms out in the real world no one can tell if you are being a comedian or trying to be funny. People start taking these comments seriously as they are repeated, and racism gets worse. So wake up, and realize what your teacher is saying. If you keep allowing racist slurs to be repeated enough, enough people will start taking them seriously, and this allows people like Hitler to be taken seriously.

o.k. people, something you have to understand in any classroom environment is that you have to under law protect all students within that class room. THis often leads to teachers over stating things. One, after such events as the holocaust it is a sensitive subject. Two, it is no different then someone saying that is so black or that is so gay etc. etc. The issue here is that she may overstate in order to get the point across that it will not be tolerated in her class. I watch south park and that is satirical and funny. However, in a classroom, it is not ment to poke fun. That statement would have a bad context in that setting. Also in a classroom the teacher has to protect themselves these days, if a student says that and the teacher doesn't take care of it. One student will go and speak with the counselors etc. When they pull the student that said it into the office, the kid will point at the teacher, the teacher gets in trouble. It is wrong to say these things in most settings. That is so jewish can't be taken in any good context coming out of a mouth of a 16 year old in a classroom. He most likely said it one to anger the teacher or two to anger a classmate. Besides south park, can anyone give me any good thing that this statement can mean. A single one?

As usual, some people seem to have "liberal" and "authoritarian" mixed up. Nothing liberal or left wing about that teacher's attitude. It's apolitical authoritarianism, nothing more.

Why is that I say, "She's not a liberal, she's authoritarian", no one pays attention, but when you say it people respond?

Not surprising. Most social studies teachers are leftists.

Mine last year was (and still is) a crazy republican. He worked in Hell's Kitchen for 7 years and never lost a fight and now we get to see him wander around campus with his celtic cross tatoo and his pack of Skoal.

At a rally last year he got into the boxing ring (with the giant inflatable gloves) and beat the crap out of a kid. It was great.

Exactly. I tell my mom that every day. She just laughs when I'm serious. I say something like, "The school is a dictartorship that controls whatever it likes. You have to do exactly as they say." Then she laughs. My dad however believes this. He's quite liberal. I'd consider him a Green Liberal.



There's nothing "liberal" about PCism, nothing AT ALL. Some PC types support allot of Liberal causes, but that is a separate issue. I'm actually not surprised about your father. I read somewhere about phychology/sociology that Females on average are more accepting of Authority, even overbearing authority, than Males. Of course, there are tons of Females who oppose authority as well, I'm not lumping them all in together.

But they are Jewish, they even call themselves Jewish. However I do think that the term 'black' was originally used to be racist because black meaning bad, gothic, sinful etc and white meaning purity, sinless, angelical etc. But a lot of people use it today without meaning to be racist so I don't get too caught up in it. I just classify 'different' (I use that term loosely because we are all different, that's the only thing we all have in common) by their country of origin. Therefore I am an Australian, nothing else.

Yes, I agree with that, but none of my peers have actually said that. I never heard anyone say it in my class. She told us on the first or second day of school that the first year she was teaching that she heard a student say that. And my reaction was something like, "Blah, that kid is just joking around." Because I would consider myself independant with extreme Liberal ideas, as in no one should be limited on free speech. Or freedom of action, unless that action is throwing garbage cans at people in an attempt to hurt them. And I know racist things hurt people but I guess I don't get offended by things like that, or really anything. I would either ignore them or ask them, "What makes that Jewish?"

You may feel that it's just joking, but another student may take it to heart and be offended and hurt by it. It's up to your teacher to protect each student in her care. Not everyone interprets things the same way.

Personally, I don't address those issues unless they come up in the class. And usually they do. Someone will use the phrase, "That's so gay" or something similar, or black students will call each other "nigga". Then you have a conversation with your class about it.

Bringing up the issue out of context is harder to do, as the students aren't as receptive then. Plus, then you might be forced to use exaggerated examples, like hers with comparing the use to being like Hitler. (Also, I haven't actually heard the word Jewish used like that by students yet)

But the thing is, she DID overreact. Her LITERAL words contained:
If you use this phrase, you're as bad as Hitler.

But that has no relation to the conclusions Basil drew from the specific incident- which was that if ANYONE objects to someone saying "Jewish", they're extremist, a far-right republican, or pro-Zionism.