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President Bush has surged to a 13-point lead over Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, a new Gallup Poll shows. The 55%-42% match-up is the first statistically significant edge either candidate has held this year.

Among registered voters, Bush is ahead 52%-44%.

The boost Bush received from the Republican convention has increased rather than dissipated, reshaping a race that for months has been nearly tied. Kerry is facing warnings from Democrats that his campaign is seriously off-track.

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President Bush has surged to a 13-point lead over Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, a new Gallup Poll shows. The 55%-42% match-up is the first statistically significant edge either candidate has held this year.

Among registered voters, Bush is ahead 52%-44%.

The boost Bush received from the Republican convention has increased rather than dissipated, reshaping a race that for months has been nearly tied. Kerry is facing warnings from Democrats that his campaign is seriously off-track.

Good thing the other polls that came out today have them seperated by a single point

What this proves, is that liberals need to get off their lazy asses and vote. Cause in every instance the likely voters lean more Bush than the registered voters.

What this proves, is that liberals need to get off their lazy asses and vote. Cause in every instance the likely voters lean more Bush than the registered voters.
That is because Kerry and (especialy) the Democrat party are doing more to disgust them then to bring them into the fold.

Things are looking good. I hope Kerry keeps tying his campaign to the CBS forgeries.

Things are looking good. I hope Kerry keeps tying his campaign to the CBS forgeries.
with a big rope with a noose at the end. :)

Do you two need to be alone?

Agreed, Kerry hasn't been running his campaign effectively. Instead of sitting back and taking all the crap from Republicans, and trying to be moderate, he should be out there attacking Bush constantly and getting his liberal base motivated, like Bush has done for the Bible-thumping crowd.

Do you two need to be alone?
I don't know...but it's starting to look like someone needs to put Kerry and his supporters (including his newest campaign employee in Alabama) on suicide watches.

Agreed, Kerry hasn't been running his campaign effectively. Instead of sitting back and taking all the crap from Republicans, and trying to be moderate, he should be out there attacking Bush constantly and getting his liberal base motivated, like Bush has done for the Bible-thumping crowd.

Yep, those attack ads are going to convince the swing voter.

Polls show enthusiasm for Kerry at abysmal levels. The guy is an unknown to the average Democrat. I love it.

Yes, it's a sad thing when you realize that your country is as stupid, heartless, and religious as everyone says it is.

Or is it?

Stupid, most definitely, and as a logical parallel, religious, of course.

But heartless?

Sure, conservatives care more about big business, rich people, limited government involvement (except in social/religious issues) than tax and spend liberals care about welfare, education, the environment, and civil rights.

But the people themselves?

I recall a Gallup poll that said 60% were against "welfare" while 60% were for "government assistance to the disadvantaged".

Yes, it's a sad thing when you realize that your country is as stupid, heartless, and religious as everyone says it is.

Liberal bigotry.

Yes, it's a sad thing when you realize that your country is as stupid, heartless, and religious as everyone says it is.

Hey Terry McAwful and Michael "PigFace"Moore Called, they wan't their talking points back. BAAAAA!!

"Liberal"?

I'm liberal because I don't like Bush and his brand of "conservatives"?

I've already said I'd rather vote for McCain than Kerry.

Well, if "liberals" were those progressive nutjobs of times passed who wanted women's rights, black's rights, and religious rights, and currently want gay rights, abortion rights, euthanasia rights, then I suppose I'm "liberal".

Gallup over-samples republican voters.

Any serious pollster dismisses Gallup.

This election hinges on the debates and so far it looks like Bush is only going to be able to duck one debate. It just happens to be the one where the candidates face the voters directly. Big surprise.

Kerry is in better shape than Gore was and Gore won! I'm not concerned at all.

Kerry is in better shape than Gore was and Gore won! I'm not concerned at all.
Congratualtions, this is the idiotic post of the day! :) :)

Kerry is in better shape than Gore was and Gore won! I'm not concerned at all.

Baka.

Congratualtions, this is the idiotic post of the day! :) :)

Actually, Gore did get the popular vote. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter.

Actually, Gore did get the popular vote. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter.
Still, Gore did not win. Popular vote does not promise a win. Because our founding fathers wisely set up the electoral college to protect the nation from the stupid people voting.

Still, Gore did not win. Popular vote does not promise a win. Because our founding fathers wisely set up the electoral college to protect the nation from the stupid people voting.

Yes, because we certainly don't want those 1 in 6 homosexual people voting to have their marriage rights.

Still, Gore did not win. Popular vote does not promise a win.

Excellent point. Also, the opinion of 2,000 people that Gallup calls up in September does not promise a win. So...this whole thread is meaningless.

Because our founding fathers wisely set up the electoral college to protect the nation from the stupid people voting.

And you, of course, can wisely inform us of who is and isn't stupid?

The Electoral College was created in a time where the average person had no way of finding out whom he was voting for. Thanks to modern technology, however, we know way more than we'll ever need to about potential candidates. Ergo, the system is outdated and only serves to perpetuate the two-party oligarchy we have in America today.

Still, Gore did not win. Popular vote does not promise a win. Because our founding fathers wisely set up the electoral college to protect the nation from the stupid people voting.

LMFAO!

I suppose if Bush had won the popular vote, but lost the electoral vote to Gore, it would be liberals saying that, and the conservatives whining about disenfranchisement, and how we should abolish the electoral college...;)

Canada is going to get very crowded starting on Nov. 3rd I think. ;)

Good thing the other polls that came out today have them seperated by a single point
yeah the likely votes poll has him ahead by 2 digits...where as the REGISTERED voter page has his ahead 1 point..

If you honestly believe Bush has a 13 point lead nationally, I've got a bridge to sell you. Tall, red, crosses the San Francisco Bay and can fold up nicely into a travel suitcase.

Canada is going to get very crowded starting on Nov. 3rd I think. ;)

Thank God! Canada can have Kerry, Dean, and all who follow them! Now we can finally get something done!

Yes, because we certainly don't want those 1 in 6 homosexual people voting to have their marriage rights.

That's almost certainly an incorrect statistic. It's probably closer to one in twenty, or less. Think about it for a moment in terms of reproduction and survival of the human species.

That's almost certainly an incorrect statistic. It's probably closer to one in twenty, or less. Think about it for a moment in terms of reproduction and survival of the human species.
people have been gay for a long time, the population has been booming for a long time as a result of advanced medicine and food and everything, so much so that larger nations have to LIMIT births: china, india. please explain to me how letting homosexuals stop repressing their feeligns and developng mental illnesses will destroy the human species

In a world without the electoral college, only a few areas of the country would receive any attention from our politicians: California, Texas, New York, and the other major population centers of the U.S. Why should any cadidate care about what people in Wyoming, New Mexico, Tennessee (my home state), Kansas, etc. think about national politics when they can win the election by getting the majority of the population of California to vote for them?
The Electoral College protects the interests of citizens from areas of lower population by making their vote worthwhile. It does more to make each and every vote count than any popular vote election could. It also greatly simplifies the outcome in the case of extremely close elections. I am a firm believer in the system that we have in place.

In a world without the electoral college, only a few areas of the country would receive any attention from our politicians: California, Texas, New York, and the other major population centers of the U.S. Why should any cadidate care about what people in Wyoming, New Mexico, Tennessee (my home state), Kansas, etc. think about national politics when they can win the election by getting the majority of the population of California to vote for them?
The Electoral College protects the interests of citizens from areas of lower population by making their vote worthwhile. It does more to make each and every vote count than any popular vote election could. It also greatly simplifies the outcome in the case of extremely close elections. I am a firm believer in the system that we have in place.
hey cpt obvious, please state how many states get alot of attention from politicians. ie more than a single visit or 2

ohio, pennsylvania and mayb 2 other states. all the others are polarized because of the electoral college

without the electoral colege you have to appeal to EVERY citizen, not just ones living in swing states.

There is no question that homosexuality is a choice. Whether or not one is inclined to be more attracted to members of their own gender, one always has the ability to restrain from acting on those inclinations. I have a genetic inclination towards alcoholism; does that mean that I will become an alcoholic? Certainly not; I can prevent it entirely by not drinking alcohol. Does that mean that I will never be happy because I can't drink alcohol? Certainly not, unless I allow it to rule my life and mope about constantly thinking about alcohol and how much I want a beer. Celibacy or being sexually involved with a gender other than one's supreme choice does not result in mental disorders. Self-control andself-denial are not evil; rather, they is an extremely healthy and wise activities to undertake.

There is no question that homosexuality is a choice. Whether or not one is inclined to be more attracted to members of their own gender, one always has the ability to restrain from acting on those inclinations. I have a genetic inclination towards alcoholism; does that mean that I will become an alcoholic? Certainly not; I can prevent it entirely by not drinking alcohol. Does that mean that I will never be happy because I can't drink alcohol? Certainly not, unless I allow it to rule my life and mope about constantly thinking about alcohol and how much I want a beer. Celibacy or being sexually involved with a gender other than one's supreme choice does not result in mental disorders. Self-control andself-denial are not evil; rather, they is an extremely healthy and wise activities to undertake.
ignore me i get confused, but that was still a pointless logical fallacy i cant remember right now

Thank God! Canada can have Kerry, Dean, and all who follow them! Now we can finally get something done!
Oh yes, I forgot. Even though GOP controls the Presidency, the Senate, the Congress and are the majority in the Supreme Court, Bush hasn't been able to get anything done because of Kerry and Edwards somehow stopping them.
Makes you wonder what he COULD do if he got elected!

Celibacy or being sexually involved with a gender other than one's supreme choice does not result in mental disorders. Self-control and self-denial are not evil; rather, they is an extremely healthy and wise activities to undertake.
Oh come off it! Everyone knows that men can't be truly celibrate. You are constantly making semen in your testes and they need to get out occasionally. Either through manual stimulation or wet dreams.
So which one are you? Quick flick of the wrist or sticky bedclothes?

Oh yes, I forgot. Even though GOP controls the Presidency, the Senate, the Congress and are the majority in the Supreme Court, Bush hasn't been able to get anything done because of Kerry and Edwards somehow stopping them.
Makes you wonder what he COULD do if he got elected!
probably fly around like superman the way he stops bush

as i've said before when someone comes out with a poll.

as a canadian, i can tell you they aren't always right.

Canada is going to get very crowded starting on Nov. 3rd I think. ;)
One could only hope that all the leftist would leave for canada when their man loses big.