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Ok. So, God is forgiving, right? God is Omnipotent, right? He knows everything, and can do whatever he wants, right?

Then why does His book say that people that don't believe in Him are going to hell? Can't he know their reasoning for not believing in Him, (or believing in a different Diety, EG: The pink invincible Unicorn, or the Tiny Green Martian that sits on your shoulder wanking to midget pr0n)? Why does he hate people that don't ,"follow" along with the crowd, as someone posted in NS. Why does he take those that lead bad lives, but confess their sins, but not the ones that live good lives, their only sin being not believing? Can anyone explain this to me?

I'm pretty sure the simple answer to this is:

The Christian God is a hypocrite.

...and there should be a politics subforum...and a trivia subforum, and a history subforum, and a music subforum...and the general subforum should be renamed "Spam"

The Christian God is a loving and compassionate God. However, He has set firm consequences for making the choice not to confess one's sins to Him. The thing that makes us special is the fact that we have the choice to choose. He did NOT make us all mindless robots, slaves to His will. Every human has the choice to confess his/her sins to God and put his/her faith and future in Him, or reject him, and pay the consequences. God so very badly wants every human to choose the path of life, but that choice belongs to each one of us humans.

To summarize, God has given us the choice to choose Him. He wants us to so badly, that He sent His only Son to die on a cross, so that all of humanity's sins would be covered. This sacrifice is a free gift to all those who will choose it. The consequences are of not choosing this free and perfect gift is Hell. It's all about choice.

I hope I have clarified this.

No. I want God's reasoning for needing us to believe in Him. If someone lives a good life, but is an athiest, then why should they be sent to Hell? Aren't they "Good" people?

No. I want God's reasoning for needing us to believe in Him. If someone lives a good life, but is an athiest, then why should they be sent to Hell? Aren't they "Good" people?

Incentive for them to look upon the error of their ways? But then again if God doesnt prove his existance to them, then why would they... wow that's very cruel. Oo...

What do you think happened to people that never heard the "word" of Christianity and Monotheism? Would they go to hell as well? -.^

I think its another of God's way of loving man. He basically says, "You don't want to be with me, you don't have to be."

It's not that they live a good life, it's that they choose God and not eternal death. God doesn't need us to believe in Him, we need to believe in God. It's the only way to Heaven. Any other way leads to death.

Yeah, we really need our own SPAM forum.

I'm pretty sure the simple answer to this is:

The Christian God is a hypocrite.

Hard to be a hypocrite when you write the definitions. *No smiley*

I think Carlin covers it pretty well

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man."

Why does God get pissed when we turn away from him, when it was He that turned us away in the first place? (Genesis)

My problem, summed up in this.

"God wants me to go to heaven, yes?"
"Yes!"
"Because he loves me, yes?"
"That absolutly correct!"
"Welllll...why doesn't he make with some proving already?"
"You have to have faith!"
"Why?"
"Because...faith is strong!"
"So? If God wants me to be in heaven, then let me be in heaven. He's all powerful. I'm sure the big guy could pull it off."

"So? If God wants me to be in heaven, then let me be in heaven. He's all powerful. I'm sure the big guy could pull it off."

Yezidi. God is all-forgiving, therefore it is Satan we must please.

I'm pretty sure the simple answer to this is:

The Christian God is a hypocrite.

Who the heck are you reffering to? You realize that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God right? Judging from your statement, I'll take the answer as not.

Basic Religious differences:
Jews: Worship God directly, with Rabbis being regarded as spiritual advisors, teachers, and keepers of the old ways. The old Testament is a translated version of their holy texts (Torah and Tanakh)

Christians: Worship God, but believe that Jesus was the messaiah, sent to save the souls of humanity. Many churches that preach slightly different doctrines IE
Catholocism: The Church is the only way to speak to God
Protestants: The Church is more like the Jewish system
Jehovas: The church is a community gathering to help teach how to spread the word
Etc.

Muslim: Allah is the one true God, he is kind and beautiful. Worship is more out of love than prayers for physical needs. The Qu'ran tells us that God alone can decide which of his three peoples are superior, and the way to become superior in his eyes is to be a good person.

Just like any religion, there are those who take it too far. Christianity has had the worst of the lot, with a hundred years of inquisition, 7 crusades, and good number of wars, some of which still rage today, between the churches themselves.

If you mean by Christian God, 'Jesus', then I don't know what to tell you. Some say he was the son of God, the Jews denounced him, and Islam wasn't invented yet.

There really should be a religion subforum
Isn't that what this thread is?
Ok. So, God is forgiving, right? God is Omnipotent, right? He knows everything, and can do whatever he wants, right?

Then why does His book say that people that don't believe in Him are going to hell? Can't he know their reasoning for not believing in Him, (or believing in a different Diety, EG: The pink invincible Unicorn, or the Tiny Green Martian that sits on your shoulder wanking to midget pr0n)? Why does he hate people that don't ,"follow" along with the crowd, as someone posted in NS. Why does he take those that lead bad lives, but confess their sins, but not the ones that live good lives, their only sin being not believing? Can anyone explain this to me?
First off, hell isn't a place, it's a state of mind, a state of suffering. God is love and life, like a glowing light that fills the mind/heart/soul. Hell, by comparison, is like a horrid dark death. This hell isn't a punishment inflicted by God for not believing in him, it's just what will happen as a natural consequence of not believing --people who don't believe in God, who don't know God inside, who don't act out of that love and life that fills them, will suffer, because it is also believed that knowledge of God is inherent. To "not believe", to be separated from that once you have known it, is what it is to suffer. Like so:
The waves of death crashed over me,
devil waters rushed over me.
Hell's ropes cinched me tight;
death traps barred every exit. (2 Samuel 5-6)

A hostile world! I called to GOD,
to my God I cried out.
From his palace he heard me call;
my cry brought me right into his presence--
a private audience! (2 Samuel 5-7)

You stick by people who stick with you,
you're straight with people who're straight with you,
You're good to good people,
you shrewdly work around the bad ones.
You take the side of the down-and-out,
but the stuck-up you take down a peg.
Suddenly, GOD, your light floods my path,
GOD drives out the darkness.
I smash the bands of marauders,
I vault the high fences.
What a God! His road
stretches straight and smooth.
Every GOD-direction is road-tested.
Everyone who runs toward him
Makes it. (2 Samuel 26-31)
I think a lot of the reason most people today have not known the light is because we voluntarily poison our bodies (and therefore our minds) with sugar, alcohol, caffeine, niccotine and harder substances. These block the mind's ability to perceive and conceive.

Ok. So, God is forgiving, right? God is Omnipotent, right? He knows everything, and can do whatever he wants, right?

Then why does His book say that people that don't believe in Him are going to hell? Can't he know their reasoning for not believing in Him, (or believing in a different Diety, EG: The pink invincible Unicorn, or the Tiny Green Martian that sits on your shoulder wanking to midget pr0n)? Why does he hate people that don't ,"follow" along with the crowd, as someone posted in NS. Why does he take those that lead bad lives, but confess their sins, but not the ones that live good lives, their only sin being not believing? Can anyone explain this to me?Well we must be thinking about two different Gods. The God I KNOW has his hands open to all GOOD humans, atheists or not.

Well we must be thinking about two different Gods. The God I KNOW has his hands open to all GOOD humans, atheists or not.

You win at theism.

*snip*

You fail it.

You win at theism.



You fail it.

Cold. I like it.

You fail it.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise people weren't allowed to have beliefs that differ from yours. Let me guess... Protestant?

Ahh. No religious thread is complete without the riddle of Epicurus.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

There.
Much better.