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I wouldn't vote for Kerry, especially after he recieved this endorsement:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2930

I wouldn't vote for Kerry, especially after he recieved this endorsement:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2930
*yawn*

I wouldn't vote for Kerry, especially after he recieved this endorsement:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2930
Yeah, but there are bigger issues out there than guns. I appreciate the right to own firearms, but I'd prefer to have the right to due process back.

I wouldn't vote for Kerry, especially after he recieved this endorsement:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2930


Ok I find two things wrong with this, a) This is the Bush-Cheney Website which doesn't even mention the thousands now dead in Iraq. b) Hunting is actually sort of stupid thing because it's not like you need to kill these animals for food or anything.

gee suicidal, i never would have guessed you are a gun nut

having the 2nd ammendment at the top of your list of priorities is a good reason for voting republican. its one thing they do more than pay lip service to.

Yeah, but there are bigger issues out there than guns. I appreciate the right to own firearms, but I'd prefer to have the right to due process back.
Another citizen, misinformed as to the Patriot Act...

Another citizen, misinformed as to the Patriot Act...
Gitmo anyone...

i don't know whats worse
the fact the bush and cheny campaign have any mud left to sling
or
that this is your reason for not voting for him

i don't know whats worse
the fact the bush and cheny campaign have any mud left to sling
or
that this is your reason for not voting for him
It's simply one more example of a Kerry flip-flop. It calls to attention a larger issue.

Gitmo anyone...
So, I don't agree with giving terrorists lawyers to help them get set free...and?

It's simply one more example of a Kerry flip-flop. It calls to attention a larger issue.
a larger issue?
which issue would that be?
have we even discussed larger issues in this election?

So, I don't agree with giving terrorists lawyers to help them get set free...and?
Nothing to fear if you followed the damn law...

So, I don't agree with giving terrorists lawyers to help them get set free...and?
The whole point is to determine that it is, in fact, terrorists that you're detaining. There was this thing, that I heard one time... Something about, oh, what was it? "Innocent until proven guilty?"

The whole point is to determine that it is, in fact, terrorists that you're detaining. There was this thing, that I heard one time... Something about, oh, what was it? "Innocent until proven guilty?"
'Innocent until proven guilty' regulates process against criminal defendants, not enemy combatants.

Liberals can't seem to distinguish between lawbreakers and combatants.

I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind. That's hunting," said Kerry.
I thought he was talking about the Viet Kong at first.

Apparently he was for hunting before he was against hunting.

'Innocent until proven guilty' regulates process against criminal defendants, not enemy combatants.

Liberals can't seem to distinguish between lawbreakers and combatants.
ok fine, what if the government pulls some one off the street and calls them an enemy combatant and a terrorist, thus keeping them off your "criminal" list and immune to the constitution, then locks them up indefinately

'Innocent until proven guilty' regulates process against criminal defendants, not enemy combatants.

Liberals can't seem to distinguish between lawbreakers and combatants.
Which technically needs to be proven. Not to mention that the main war in Afghanistan is over...

(Oh, and it doesn't matter for US citizens, they still have the right to due process, once the immediate danger of having a trial for them has passed.)

Eh...some people do eat what they hunt...and animals have to be killed one way or another for us to eat meat...hunters just make a sport out of it. However, I don't agree with people (like Teddy Roosevelt) who hunt for sport and only for sport.

On the flip side on this...I don't think you need an AK47 to take down a squirrel (unless it's an Arkansas squirrel).

Which technically needs to be proven. Not to mention that the main war in Afghanistan is over...

(Oh, and it doesn't matter for US citizens, they still have the right to due process, once the immediate danger of having a trial for them has passed.)
...and the Genova convention should be applicable...

ok fine, what if the government pulls some one off the street and calls them an enemy combatant and a terrorist, thus keeping them off your "criminal" list and immune to the constitution, then locks them up indefinately
If that had ever happened I would be willing to consider your argument. If you have difficulty with understanding the difference between a combatant and a criminal then you may be beyond all cognizant behavior - but here is a rope - 'combatants' are most often found near places of combat aka battlefields.

If that had ever happened I would be willing to consider your argument. If you have difficulty with understanding the difference between a combatant and a criminal then you may be beyond all cognizant behavior - but here is a rope - 'combatants' are most often found near places of combat aka battlefields.
padilla

thanks bye

padilla

thanks bye
I <3 you Chess.

If that had ever happened I would be willing to consider your argument. If you have difficulty with understanding the difference between a combatant and a criminal then you may be beyond all cognizant behavior - but here is a rope - 'combatants' are most often found near places of combat aka battlefields.
The point Chess Squares is making is that the Patriot Act isn't very limited. I don't care how responsibly the government is using anything. If it gives them the right to pick up someone and call them a "combatant" and therefore not subject them to their right of due process, then it needs to be fixed.

What does padilla mean?

If that had ever happened I would be willing to consider your argument. If you have difficulty with understanding the difference between a combatant and a criminal then you may be beyond all cognizant behavior - but here is a rope - 'combatants' are most often found near places of combat aka battlefields.

Or an "enemy combatant" can be a foreign guy with a video camera. Now, it does look like this example actually WAS a terrorist, but whose to say an innocent tourist won't be picked up next?

"Enemy Combatant" is a phrase whose definition has slipped under Bush. Also, enemy combatants should be covered under the Geneva Convention, which Bush is on record as trying to circumvent.

And people wonder why the world is pissed with Bush... :rolleyes:

What does padilla mean?
http://www.chargepadilla.org/

I wouldn't vote for Kerry...

Well, aren't you 11? You couldn't vote now, anyway, ;) .

Well, aren't you 11? You couldn't vote now, anyway, ;) .
12?

12?

Something like that. :p

gee suicidal, i never would have guessed you are a gun nut

having the 2nd ammendment at the top of your list of priorities is a good reason for voting republican. its one thing they do more than pay lip service to.

I'm not a gun nut. I'm mad about the whole anti-hunting thing that that society stands for. I bowhunt, I'm not huge on guns, but I don't think they should ban hunting. An animal rights groups stand for a lot more than just "we hate hunting", they also like to push vegetarianism on everyone, and they think that animals are exactly the same as humans.

Something like that. :p

Yes, I'm 12 (13 on October 5th).

...and the Genova convention should be applicable...

Its hard to give someone something they know nothing about, since they choose to see it as non existent. What geneva convention, is that like a convention for beheadings?

I'm not a gun nut. I'm mad about the whole anti-hunting thing that that society stands for. I bowhunt, I'm not huge on guns, but I don't think they should ban hunting. An animal rights groups stand for a lot more than just "we hate hunting", they also like to push vegetarianism on everyone, and they think that animals are exactly the same as humans.
And because they endorsed Kerry somehow means that Kerry is out to kill hunting?

It was either him or Bush, remember that.

Its hard to give someone something they know nothing about, since they choose to see it as non existent. What geneva convention, is that like a convention for beheadings?
I'm sorry, did you just mix up the fighers in Afghanistan and the Terrorists in Iraq?

And because they endorsed Kerry somehow means that Kerry is out to kill hunting?

It was either him or Bush, remember that.

You know what I hate about presidential elections? I never really like either candidate. I didn't like Al Gore or Bush four years ago, I don't like Kerry and I don't particularly like Bush either. I don't know what I'm going to do when I'm old enough to vote, because if this pattern continues I won't want to vote for either candidate.

You know what I hate about presidential elections? I never really like either candidate. I didn't like Al Gore or Bush four years ago, I don't like Kerry and I don't particularly like Bush either. I don't know what I'm going to do when I'm old enough to vote, because if this pattern continues I won't want to vote for either candidate.
Third party. What state do you live in?

(I doubt that it is a swing state, so it really doesn't matter)

You know what I hate about presidential elections? I never really like either candidate. I didn't like Al Gore or Bush four years ago, I don't like Kerry and I don't particularly like Bush either. I don't know what I'm going to do when I'm old enough to vote, because if this pattern continues I won't want to vote for either candidate.
dont vote, judging by the decision you made here based on this, you shouldnt vote, ever

Third party. What state do you live in?

(I doubt that it is a swing state, so it really doesn't matter)

Nebraska, I'm pretty sure that it is a Republican state.

dont vote, judging by the decision you made here based on this, you shouldnt vote, ever

Oh, believe me, I will be voting as an adult. (Come on, I'm 12, how much damage could I possibly do?)