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So, now that the whole CBS Killian Memo forgery thing has been proved false, do you feel any different about CBS and Dan Rather? I think this whole thing has totally destroyed Dan Rather, and any last shreds of journalistic respectability that Rather possesed are gone now.

So, now that the whole CBS Killian Memo forgery thing has been proved false, do you feel any different about CBS and Dan Rather? I think this whole thing has totally destroyed Dan Rather, and any last shreds of journalistic respectability that Rather possesed are gone now.

Totally destroyed? I doubt it. Like most long-time news anchors (ie. Marvin Zindler), Rather has a rather staunch following who will believe that he just made a mistake and he is still 100% credible. Personally I don't think any newscaster is 100% credible.

Totally destroyed? I doubt it. Like most long-time news anchors (ie. Marvin Zindler), Rather has a rather staunch following who will believe that he just made a mistake and he is still 100% credible. Personally I don't think any newscaster is 100% credible.
Well, Dan Rather has no credibility with people who are not his disciples.

So, now that the whole CBS Killian Memo forgery thing has been proved false, do you feel any different about CBS and Dan Rather? I think this whole thing has totally destroyed Dan Rather, and any last shreds of journalistic respectability that Rather possesed are gone now.

I never watched it in the first place. I said from the beginning that focusing on long past events in the news is distractionary. There is plenty of stuff to attack Bush on from his last four years blundering it up in office.

Although you can make the case that someone does all the writing/investigation for Dan Rather so whomever provided him with the information is the one with no integrity.

i am disappointed that dan would not admit that he got taken. he staunchly maintains that these memos are real and thats that.

it seems to ME that if they were, there would be other memos from the same man brought forth that show they are written in the same style, type, time, etc.

it doesnt ruin dans rep for me since many other newmen have been taken this way but it does make me think less of him as a man.

Mind you, that the secretary who was involved in all this says that, although she believes the memos are fake, she DID write similar memos on the same subject. So whether or not these documents are authentic or not, the issue remains. And the issue is whether Bush got special treatment, and did not do his duty. And I think when you look closely at George Bush, you have to admit that it's a possibility. His integrity does not exactly inspire confidence.

Personally, I never could stand Dan Blather. He's a lying, radical, counterculture, communist criminal. (And don't flame if you disagree, please)

Mind you, that the secretary who was involved in all this says that, although she believes the memos are fake, she DID write similar memos on the same subject. So whether or not these documents are authentic or not, the issue remains. And the issue is whether Bush got special treatment, and did not do his duty. And I think when you look closely at George Bush, you have to admit that it's a possibility. His integrity does not exactly inspire confidence.
Yea, this is a good one :rolleyes:
So you are saying in effect this:
Prosecuter to jury: I have 2 documents that prove the defendant is guilty. They're both signed confessions that the defendant signed in police custody.
Defense lawyer: Both of those documents are false. The first, my client was beaten by the detectives until he signed it. The second was typed by your secretary 10 minutes ago.
Prosecuter: Well... he did it anyway, just because these are fake the issue still remains.
Defense lawyer: Your whole case is circumstantial, no real proof one way or another.
Prosecuter: Your client has a criminal record... when he says he didnt commit a crime, well his integrity does not exactly inspire confidence.

Personally, I never could stand Dan Blather. He's a lying, radical, counterculture, communist criminal. (And don't flame if you disagree, please)
i would flame, but i think your batty anyway so no matter it all good ;)

"Rather spoke after interviewing the secretary to Bush's former squadron commander, who told him that the memos attributed to her late boss are fake -- but that they reflect the commander's belief that Bush was receiving preferential treatment to escape some of his Guard commitments"

"In her interview with Rather yesterday, Knox repeated her contention that the documents used by "60 Minutes" were bogus. Knox, 86, worked for Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian while he supervised Bush's unit in the early 1970s.


"I know that I didn't type them," Knox said of the Killian memos. "However, the information in there is correct," she said, adding that Killian and the other officers would "snicker about what [Bush] was getting away with.""

wahinsgtonpost (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1803&ncid=703&e=5&u=/washpost/20040916/pl_washpost/a24633_2004sep15)

thanks for coming

i would flame, but i think your batty anyway so no matter it all good ;)

Thanks for refraining. And yeah, you're right, I am pretty batty, but then, who isn't? :p

"Rather spoke after interviewing the secretary to Bush's former squadron commander, who told him that the memos attributed to her late boss are fake -- but that they reflect the commander's belief that Bush was receiving preferential treatment to escape some of his Guard commitments"

"In her interview with Rather yesterday, Knox repeated her contention that the documents used by "60 Minutes" were bogus. Knox, 86, worked for Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian while he supervised Bush's unit in the early 1970s.


"I know that I didn't type them," Knox said of the Killian memos. "However, the information in there is correct," she said, adding that Killian and the other officers would "snicker about what [Bush] was getting away with.""

wahinsgtonpost (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1803&ncid=703&e=5&u=/washpost/20040916/pl_washpost/a24633_2004sep15)

thanks for coming
And Killian's wife and son said they did not reflect what Killian felt. What's your point?

Thanks for refraining. And yeah, you're right, I am pretty batty, but then, who isn't? :p
yeah we're all nuts but you're funny :P

And Killian's wife and son said they did not reflect what Killian felt. What's your point?
the point was the person who worked with and for killian said that was how he felt.

the point was the person who worked with and for killian said that was how he felt.
And her "facts" have now been put in question.
And as you have so often suggested in the past, her politics maybe had something to do with her statement?

I think that Rather's credibility will be damaged if the documents turn out to be false. Not for political reasons but for failing to check properly. I don't think it will affect CBS as a whole- this is not proof of CBS slanting news as an organisation. This is an issue of one journalist's naievity. It is not the same as the Fox memos, though it will suit some conservatives to pretend it is.