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% of Iraqis Who Would Have Been Murdered, Maimed or Molested if Saddam Remained in Power, Want U.S. to Leave Iraq

There is no better proof that we made a mistake invading Iraq than finding out the people of Iraq want us out.




Sample Survey of Iraqis Who Would Have Been Murdered, Maimed or Molested if Saddam Remained in Power

1. Do you want the U.S. led, so-called coalition out of your country? Wait, don't answer until we go through all the questions.

2. Given a choice of dying from American fire or having U.S. soldiers leave Iraq, which would you choose?

3. Would you rather be raped by friendly Iraqi citizens or by the trespassing western infidels?

4. Would you rather have a healthy wisdom tooth removed without anesthetic, something like in Marathon Man, the pirated Iraqi translation copy, or have the uninvited U.S. Jewish and Jesus is their savior heretics withdraw immediately?

5. Did you know that American soldiers might have been looking in at your youngest children while you are asleep just looking for the right moment to kidnap your cherishing babies away and do unthinkable things to the wailing innocents? That's not actually part of the survey. Just curious if you ever thought about it. Could happen? Anyway, do you want the American's to stay or leave? Quick! Don't think! First thing that comes to your mind! Don't look at your husband for an answer. He could be one of them. Really.

6. If you are already dead or missing, please signify your desire for U.S. soldiers to remain with a simple, "Yes." Well? I see. Well, I guess we know what that means.





Pollsters in Iraq found out what MoveOnPlease.org has been saying since we set up shop:

THE U.S. IS NOT WANTED!

"Mr. President, we beg you to listen to the people whose lives you have irreversibly transformed!"

Oh how dare those ungrateful Iraqis want to decide what happens to their country. HOW DARE THEY!

We all know that the United States government knows best.

Oh how dare those ungrateful Iraqis want to decide what happens to their country. HOW DARE THEY!

We all know that the United States government knows best.
They wouldnt be speaking at all if it wasnt for us. They could not decide, because they would be dead.

Yeah....and 99.9% of them voted for Saddam Hussein right? :rolleyes:

6. If you are already dead or missing, please signify your desire for U.S. soldiers to remain with a simple, "Yes." Well? I see. Well, I guess we know what that means.
If it wasn't already clear MoveOnPlease is a joke site, that should give you a clue...

Yeah....and 99.9% of them voted for Saddam Hussein right? :rolleyes:
By "voted" you mean shoved into a booth and told to check Saddam's box, or the guy behind you with the gun shoots you.

If it wasn't already clear MoveOnPlease is a joke site, that should give you a clue...
MoveOnPlease is a joke site, I now that, but MoveOn is a joke.

I suspect it's higher then 55%

MoveOnPlease is a joke site, I now that, but MoveOn is a joke.
So? The link, and the so-called poll you posted are both from MoveOnPlease. As Steph, I'm sure that a real poll would give more like a 99% of Iraqis looking forward to saying bye-bye to the US troops...

So? The link, and the so-called poll you posted are both from MoveOnPlease. As Steph, I'm sure that a real poll would give more like a 99% of Iraqis looking forward to saying bye-bye to the US troops...
Yeah, I know it is a joke site. I recognized that allready.

Don't worry the depleted uranium poisoned the whole area and will take care of those detractors... as well as those who welcome the US.

I heard that from the first gulf war, 7,000 servicemen were injured and over 500,000 are now on disability. Of course I do not know if that is a fact but that is something I heard on the radio. I dunno where exactly to find that online though.

If you can stomach it: http://samsara.mind.net/nuclear/depleted.html

So? The link, and the so-called poll you posted are both from MoveOnPlease. As Steph, I'm sure that a real poll would give more like a 99% of Iraqis looking forward to saying bye-bye to the US troops...

Are you sure? Because if someone invaded my country even though we were no threat to them, I would welcome them with open arms for bombing my home and killing family members and putting them in detention camps.

Don't worry the depleted uranium poisoned the whole area and will take care of those detractors... as well as those who welcome the US.

I heard that from the first gulf war, 7,000 servicemen were injured and over 500,000 are now on disability. Of course I do not know if that is a fact but that is something I heard on the radio. I dunno where exactly to find that online though.

If you can stomach it: http://samsara.mind.net/nuclear/depleted.html

500,000 on disability from the Gulf War? There were not that many there were there?

500,000 on disability from the Gulf War? There were not that many there were there?

I don't know... I thought that seemed like too huge of a number myself. Hence my skepticism. It was from a self proclaimed nuclear weapons scientist turned whistleblower (although I can't remember her name)

On another show I was listening to where they were discussing depleted uranium, they had said something about 25% of gulf war vets being dead from cancer that they soon developed after returning from the gulf war.

I don't know what is real but with all the controversy over DU I think that it's pretty lame to continue using it. Many independent studies have confirmed it to be very dangerous. The US refuses to release a map detailing where they dropped DU in Iraq.

I don't know... I thought that seemed like too huge of a number myself. Hence my skepticism. It was from a self proclaimed nuclear weapons scientist turned whistleblower (although I can't remember her name)

On another show I was listening to where they were discussing depleted uranium, they had said something about 25% of gulf war vets being dead from cancer that they soon after returning from the gulf war.

I don't know what is real but with all the controversy over DU I think that it's pretty lame to continue using it. Many independent studies have confirmed it to be very dangerous. The US refuses to release a map detailing where they dropped DU in Iraq.

I think the controversy over DU shells is way overblown. Anti-Nuclear groups always have these statistics and statements that never hold up to scrutiny. When I was loading nukes in the UK in the 80's the CND was always protesting the amount of radiation coming from the base because of the weapons. Well, I worked with and on those weapons for years. I literally sat on them as I did many of my tasks. If there was any radiation danger I doubt I would be alive today, nor would I have had any children and I had two after I completed that tour of duty.

Like many of the claims of these scientists, they want some sort of social change and they create research to prove the need for it. Go figure....

100% of americans want us troops out to. the thing is we have a job to do. and this job will make the world a better safer place.

i hate polls.

I think the controversy over DU shells is way overblown. Anti-Nuclear groups always have these statistics and statements that never hold up to scrutiny. When I was loading nukes in the UK in the 80's the CND was always protesting the amount of radiation coming from the base because of the weapons. Well, I worked with and on those weapons for years. I literally sat on them as I did many of my tasks. If there was any radiation danger I doubt I would be alive today, nor would I have had any children and I had two after I completed that tour of duty.

Like many of the claims of these scientists, they want some sort of social change and they create research to prove the need for it. Go figure....

Until we know for sure we shouldn't use them. That is all I am saying. There is no good reason to make dirty DU bombs.

Until we know for sure we shouldn't use them. That is all I am saying. There is no good reason to make dirty DU bombs.

See....they are not bombs. They are tank shells used to destroy other tanks. They create dust when they strike a target and that dust contains depleted uranium.

There are 15 countries using them today, not just the US.

See....they are not bombs. They are tank shells used to destroy other tanks. They create dust when they strike a target and that dust contains depleted uranium.

There are 15 countries using them today, not just the US.

okay and what does this dust do? I heard they are also used in carpet and grid bombing.

100% of americans want us troops out to. the thing is we have a job to do. and this job will make the world a better safer place.

i hate polls.

I'm going to disagree with you, friend. Managing anyone else's country is no one's job but their own. We had no business being there in the first place. It's not our job to make the world a safer place.

okay and what does this dust do? I heard they are also used in carpet and grid bombing.

Someone had a theory that DU was being used for bunker-buster bombs, not carpet and grid bombing. Nothing that prolific.

I don't know what the results of the investigation were (if any were performed).

I'm going to disagree with you, friend. Managing anyone else's country is no one's job but their own. We had no business being there in the first place. It's not our job to make the world a safer place.

Isn't it a worthy goal though? To at least give those people a chance at democracy, which would have never happened under Saddam and his Ba'ath bitches. The other democracies of the world have a responsiblilty to oppose tyranny. Especially the US, being the world's most powerful democracy.

Yeah! Those damn Iraqis complaining about increased cancer rates, since the US used DU against their nation, should instead be grateful that the US liberated them. It was the great US that removed Saddam and replaced him with anarchy.

Just like the families of the 15000 Iraqis who have died as a result of the US invasion should be grateful.

:rolleyes:

Isn't it a worthy goal though? To at least give those people a chance at democracy, which would have never happened under Saddam and his Ba'ath bitches. The other democracies of the world have a responsiblilty to oppose tyranny. Especially the US, being the world's most powerful democracy.

What you do is to set a good example. We have many problems to work on here in the US.

Besides the US isn't a democracy.

Oh how dare those ungrateful Iraqis want to decide what happens to their country. HOW DARE THEY!

We all know that the United States government knows best.
A Father Knows Best Democracy? :)

Isn't it a worthy goal though? To at least give those people a chance at democracy, which would have never happened under Saddam and his Ba'ath bitches. The other democracies of the world have a responsiblilty to oppose tyranny. Especially the US, being the world's most powerful democracy.

We're not a democracy. We're a federal republic.

And we're supposed to be avoiding foreign entanglements, so we stop getting into these wars. We're just supposed to be trading and nothing more.

There is no responsiblity to oppose tyranny, except in our own country, and we can't even do that right (IE letting the Patriot Act go through).

They wouldnt be speaking at all if it wasnt for us. They could not decide, because they would be .

But now that they ARE speaking freely, they're dying anyway. Things in Iraq were much better under Saddam than they are now. At least under him, there were no ings.

I suspect it's higher then 55%

I, too, expected a considerably higher percentage than that.

But now that they ARE speaking freely, they're dying anyway. Things in Iraq were much better under Saddam than they are now. At least under him, there were no ings.
What praytell are "ings". And you really believe that things were "much better under Saddam"? On what do you base that assertion.

We're not a democracy. We're a federal republic.

And we're supposed to be avoiding foreign entanglements, so we stop getting into these wars. We're just supposed to be trading and nothing more.

There is no responsiblity to oppose tyranny, except in our own country, and we can't even do that right (IE letting the Patriot Act go through).

Agreed.

MoveOnPlease is a joke site, I now that, but MoveOn is a joke.


I dont know why people dont take us seriously. Is it because we actually think Kerry will be a good president? well, lemme tell ya, John kerry'splans of action are solid an..*bursts out laughing*..ok ok, even I dont beleive that, and I bet most of my fellow moveon members dont beleive it either. were Naderheads to the core ( deaniacs, most us) but Kerrys not Bush, and thats good enough for us.

if the idiots i mean iraqis want the US out then get out they will starve soon from the lack of food gien to them by the US and then they will be asking for more but then the US will say no u didnt want us there to help so oh well die u scum of the earth die!!!! :sniper:

okay and what does this dust do? I heard they are also used in carpet and grid bombing.

The dust does contain radioactive particles and "could" be inhaled by those in the immediate vicinity of the explosion. However, there is not ONE instance that has been proven where anyone has been harmed by these shells except Iraqi tank crews who were slaughtered.

No, they are not used in bombs as they are armor piercing shells and bombs are useless for such things.

Bit of an education on depleted uranium, for anyone who wants to take the time. www.wordiq.com/definition/Depleted_uranium

Yeah! Those damn Iraqis complaining about increased cancer rates, since the US used DU against their nation, should instead be grateful that the US liberated them. It was the great US that removed Saddam and replaced him with anarchy.

Just like the families of the 15000 Iraqis who have died as a result of the US invasion should be grateful.

:rolleyes:
Ummm what Iraqi's complaining about increased cancer rates?
Or are you just making that up?

No shit, guess what 100% of Americans DONT WANT TO BE IN IRAQ!

Guess what else, It doesnt matter what I want, it doesnt matter what you want, we did what NEEDED to be done!

100% of kids dont want to get their ass beat by there parents, but guess what, more then 55% of them will thank them for it later.

Deal with it

I'm not just right, I'm far right!

Bit of an education on depleted uranium, for anyone who wants to take the time. www.wordiq.com/definition/Depleted_uranium

Thank you that was quite informative and shows that we don't know enough about it conclusively to continue its use without possibly putting our own servicemen in danger as well as risk contaminating thearea it is being used in.

Without conclusive proof that it is not a threat to our own servce men or the environment, it is highly unethical to continue it's use. At least the UK released a map of areas the DU ammo was used for possible but unlikely cleanup. The US refused to do so I heard.

Thank you that was quite informative and shows that we don't know enough about it conclusively to continue its use without possibly putting our own servicemen in danger as well as risk contaminating thearea it is being used in.

Without conclusive proof that it is not a threat to our own servce men or the environment, it is highly unethical to continue it's use. At least the UK released a map of areas the DU ammo was used for possible but unlikely cleanup. The US refused to do so I heard.

War is a threat to human life.

Thank you that was quite informative and shows that we don't know enough about it conclusively to continue its use without possibly putting our own servicemen in danger as well as risk contaminating thearea it is being used in.

Without conclusive proof that it is not a threat to our own servce men or the environment, it is highly unethical to continue it's use. At least the UK released a map of areas the DU ammo was used for possible but unlikely cleanup. The US refused to do so I heard.
I suppose you should stop drinking water then. And stop eating, stop breathing. There isn't conclusive proof that water/food/air is not a threat to you or the environment. In fact, it can be proven that water/food/air can be a health risk.
It's a principle called "the poison is in the dose". Everything is harmful given a high enough dose.

Without conclusive proof that it is not a threat to our own servce men or the environment, it is highly unethical to continue it's use.

I guess we should stop using bullets altogether then because once fired, they cannot be called back. Afterall, friendly fire has happened before and will again. Plus lead harms the environment too.

I suppose you should stop drinking water then. And stop eating, stop breathing. There isn't conclusive proof that water/food/air is not a threat to you or the environment. In fact, it can be proven that water/food/air can be a health risk.
It's a principle called "the poison is in the dose". Everything is harmful given a high enough dose.

Agreed, Vitamin C is toxic at about 1000mgs

Look, I've seen more combat than probably 99% of the people on NS.

The way I see it, the fact of the matter is that war is not safe. War is an inherently dangerous business. Anyone can be hurt, anyone can be killed. The ramifications of war last, in most cases, much longer than the war itself.

We can sit here and make statements about breathing being dangerous, or water, but the fact is that we simply don't know what the results of DU weapons are. And in order to make that "conclusive proof," we would have to do experimentation -- which means using LIVE human subjects, exposing them to DU, and studying what happens.

This is the way science works. This is also why there is very, very little that science will "prove" one way or another.

Ignorants who have replied here saying the US is great by doing this... sooner or later they would have revolted agaisnt their leader and government, much like the Am. Colonies eventualy revolted against Britain.
I don't think the colonists would have been too happy to have France or Spain invaded the colonies before they thought of fighting GB, remove Britain, and set themselves as a government for a year or two.
How revolting the French or Spanish would find the colonists if they said the French or Spanish should be removed from their land.

Geez. Be considerate for a moment. They had some good for the invasion, but they also have some great negatives going on. There's no doubt there was MORE BALANCE in the nation UNDER Saddam's control.

yes lets be completely ridiculous. it's fun not using our brain. of course having a heart might help a little too. good day.

Ignorants who have replied here saying the US is great by doing this... sooner or later they would have revolted agaisnt their leader and government, much like the Am. Colonies eventualy revolted against Britain.
I don't think the colonists would have been too happy to have France or Spain invaded the colonies before they thought of fighting GB, remove Britain, and set themselves as a government for a year or two.
How revolting the French or Spanish would find the colonists if they said the French or Spanish should be removed from their land.

Geez. Be considerate for a moment. They had some good for the invasion, but they also have some great negatives going on. There's no doubt there was MORE BALANCE in the nation UNDER Saddam's control.

WHO ARE YOU to call us ignorant? The way I see it only ONE can know for sure what we did was right or not, and he is not a person, and I am DAMN sure you are NOT him.

We did what we thought was right, and we did it the best we could. If you got a problem with it then HELP US, dont just stand there and BITCH like a fucking idiot!

As for waiting? We did that once, but last time we called it World War Two! We will not make that mistake again.

We're not a democracy. We're a federal republic.

I know, but I'm lazy and saying democracy just seems easier :D

And we're supposed to be avoiding foreign entanglements, so we stop getting into these wars. We're just supposed to be trading and nothing more.

You mean foreign entanglements like Kosovo?

There is no responsiblity to oppose tyranny, except in our own country, and we can't even do that right (IE letting the Patriot Act go through).

I feel we do have a responsibility to oppose tyranny but that will just end up with us arguing in circles. As for the Patriot Act, I believe in small government but one of the original functions of government is police action. I'm not a perv or a terrorist so I have nothing to hide.

WHO ARE YOU to call us ignorant? The way I see it only ONE can know for sure what we did was right or not, and he is not a person, and I am DAMN sure you are NOT him.

We did what we thought was right, and we did it the best we could. If you got a problem with it then HELP US, dont just stand there and BITCH like a fucking idiot!

As for waiting? We did that once, but last time we called it World War Two! We will not make that mistake again.

Yeah, because Saddam was killing all the jews, and he was SO ready to conqure surrounding lands. It's that polish front, I'm telling you.

You know what? Fuck it. Let's be blunt.

IRAQ IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO

You have NO clue what you're talking about. Ignorant fool.

First, the questions are biased to begin with. Second, I wouldn't trust moveon.org if my life depended on it.

As for waiting? We did that once, but last time we called it World War Two! We will not make that mistake again.

So instead you jump into wars that needn't have existed in the first place. That seems a foolhardy way to approach things, especially conscidering Vietnam started out in such a similar fashion.

thats because it seems conservative rightwingers think that reactive tactics are the way to go as being proactive appears to be beyond their comprehension.

First, the questions are biased to begin with. Second, I wouldn't trust moveon.org if my life depended on it.
It was a joke poll, and moveonplease.org is a joke site.
The sarcasm is lost on us Americans.

Yeah, because Saddam was killing all the jews, and he was SO ready to conqure surrounding lands. It's that polish front, I'm telling you.

You know what? Fuck it. Let's be blunt.

IRAQ IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO

You have NO clue what you're talking about. Ignorant fool.

Genocide, attempt to aquire as many weapons as possible, oppressed people, psychotic dictator... No, sorry, that sounds EXACTLY like World War II.

Maybe you should read more and talk less, you might learn something.

~W~

So instead you jump into wars that needn't have existed in the first place. That seems a foolhardy way to approach things, especially conscidering Vietnam started out in such a similar fashion.

No, Viet Nam was started by the French! We went in to take over where THEY left off.

~W~