NationStates Jolt Archive

wow, this IS a great site!

as a vehement liberal, i thank you, citizen, for showing us this site.

to all you fascists who insist on voting for bush, i say, "watch Fahrenheit 911"

And we elect Kerry because he takes an even worse stance on 90% of these things? wow.

BUSH: Nazi
KERRY: Communist


Either way, we lose.

As if you needed more reasons to not vote for Bush. I think this site has put together a very well informed list without the usual spin included.

I believe they have done a great job of looking at the real issues.

525 Reasons To Dump Bush (http://www.525reasons.com/)

wow, this IS a great site!

as a vehement liberal, i thank you, citizen, for showing us this site.

to all you fascists who insist on voting for bush, i say, "watch Fahrenheit 911"
Just so you know I watched F9/11 and it's more of a comedy than it is fact. It's nothing more than Michael Moore's unfactual rantings based off of his emotions. If he actually had facts he might could sway me, but he doesn't. He's basing things off what he feels like.

Kerry is the lesser of two evils. Isn't it kind of fucked up that every four years we get to make a choice between evil and really fucking evil?

Just so you know I watched F9/11 and it's more of a comedy than it is fact. It's nothing more than Michael Moore's unfactual rantings based off of his emotions. If he actually had facts he might could sway me, but he doesn't. He's basing things off what he feels like.

To MM defense, he base his argument on facts. He just spin them so hard that he end up with a twisted version of reality that doesn't help his stance.

Great site, by the way, Stephistan

Just so you know I watched F9/11 and it's more of a comedy than it is fact. It's nothing more than Michael Moore's unfactual rantings based off of his emotions. If he actually had facts he might could sway me, but he doesn't. He's basing things off what he feels like.

I am in the same boat here. I dislike bush immensley, and thought that the movie was hilarious, if for no other reasons than the quotes. But while the premise in the movie is certainly based on fact, he is coming to conclusions throughout it that border on X-files/JFK like conspiracy theories. While I contend that the conclusions are all possible, and in some cases even conveniently plausible, the movie is still a good 70% conjecture.

And we elect Kerry because he takes an even worse stance on 90% of these things? wow.

BUSH: Nazi
KERRY: Communist


Either way, we lose.

How is Kerry a communist

Just so you know I watched F9/11 and it's more of a comedy than it is fact. It's nothing more than Michael Moore's unfactual rantings based off of his emotions. If he actually had facts he might could sway me, but he doesn't. He's basing things off what he feels like.

They're factual rantings all right. The opinions are misleading though.

Just so you know I watched F9/11 and it's more of a comedy than it is fact. It's nothing more than Michael Moore's unfactual rantings based off of his emotions. If he actually had facts he might could sway me, but he doesn't. He's basing things off what he feels like.

Ok than whatever, give us one good thing that Bush has done in his whole four years!

Well, no one gives him credit for it, but he did help prevent a depression after the crash.

Anyone who says that the crash was his fault, I suggest that you think more long-term and don't blame who's in power now for the faults of who was in power before. Clinton took credit for the positive results of Bush Sr.'s tax hikes (you know, the ones that forced him out of office); and, sure enough, Bush Jr. took the blame for the end of the bubble. It was going to burst eventually, but Clinton got kicked out of office just in time to save his scrawny a***.

Despite common perception that government spending drives the markets, there is really very little a government can do to combat a spiraling-down economy, and Bush did everything in his power to make sure that money didn't go stagnant. I'm taking a macroeconomics course right now, from a man who cracks at the Republicans every time he gets a chance, and even he admits it.

Oh, and btw, name-calling is not an intellectual argument. No one appreciates being called a fascist, and very few appreciate being called Communists. Please realize that the people on the opposite side of the argument are people too, and that their reasons for supporting their side are likely as good as your own.


P.S. (And guess who I personally am supporting for president? Kerry!)

Bump because I'm sure there MUST be 526 reasons by now.. *LOL* :D

Eh, I don't need 525 Reasons.

The site is misleading. It starts at reason #47 and goes through #525. Where are the first 46? And if they don't exist, don't you really mean 484 Reasons to Dump Bush?

they are counting down one reason per day. There is still some time before the election but come polling day, they will reach 525.

Wow. I'm impressed.

BUSH: Nazi
KERRY: Communist


Even if that were true, Communist > Nazi.

Even if that were true, Communist > Nazi.

Not to try and defend Nazism or anything, but Communism has killed many more people.

wow, this IS a great site!

as a vehement liberal, i thank you, citizen, for showing us this site.

to all you fascists who insist on voting for bush, i say, "watch Fahrenheit 911"

Better yet: read the book. It seems that Michael Moore at times treats facts rather carelessly. This is somewhat disguised in the film (manipulation is more easily conducted in films), but when you read the book, his arguments and reasoning appear to be falling apart. For instance, Moore seemingly cannot be bothered with naming his sources very often, in effect rendering most of his claims useless. Ask any scholar, and he or she will tell you, that you cannot produce a serious academic text without naming your sources.

You may ask: Why ought Moore to adhere to academic standards? I ask; why shouldn't he?

One final note: Moore seemingly cannot decide on the matter of Bush's IQ...sometimes Bush is referred to as incredibly dumb, and sometimes he is referred to as most devious and cunning. Which is it?

Bump because I'm sure there MUST be 526 reasons by now.. *LOL* :D
Reason #526 would be that there are 525 reasons. :eek:

Too bad that they couldn't be mass mailed to every voter?

they are counting down one reason per day. There is still some time before the election but come polling day, they will reach 525.
I see. Then Stephistan lied to us. There aren'y 525 reasons listed...yet.


"Reason rhymes with treason, sonny, and I ain't no traitor."

Kerry is the lesser of two evils. Isn't it kind of fucked up that every four years we get to make a choice between evil and really fucking evil?
No--it's very fucked up that we only have that choice every four years.

But can someone explain to me how anyone who has been paying attention the last four years--not just sitting on their asses watching American Idol or Survivor eating Oreos and seeing how fat they can get--can be undecided this late in the game? I mean--it's not like there aren't clear choices here.

If you're for Bush, you're probably in at least one of three categories--you're super rich and think taxes are from the Devil; you're a fundamentalist who believes the destruction Bush is bringing upon the earth hastens the coming of the rapture; or you honestly believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary, the war on Iraq equals a war on al Qaeda.

If you're for Kerry, you're probably someone outside those groups.

So who the hell are the people who have supposedly been paying attention and still haven't made their minds up? Do these people really exist?

Not to try and defend Nazism or anything, but Communism has killed many more people.
Funny, I don't remember when Stalinism was ever communistic, and I still fail to comprehend why people lump Stalinism and communism together. I doubt communism itself killed more people than Naziïsm. Stalinism, perhaps, but communism? Pfeh.

Funny, I don't remember when Stalinism was ever communistic, and I still fail to comprehend why people lump Stalinism and communism together. I doubt communism itself killed more people than Naziïsm. Stalinism, perhaps, but communism? Pfeh.
Even at that...Stalin may have killed more than Hitler...but like it or not, Nazism still exists. Heh...yea...it's not cool, but Stalinism died out when Stalin died out.

Even at that...Stalin may have killed more than Hitler...but like it or not, Nazism still exists. Heh...yea...it's not cool, but Stalinism died out when Stalin died out.
Well... it's more of Neo-Naziïsm than Naziïsm... although, since I don't quite know what the distinction between the two are, I'll just have to take your word for it.

I'm still raising my eyebrows vehemently at the original nazi=communist idea. WTF?

Nazi roughly = kill non-aryans ( i think)
Communist roughly = give everyone an equal share

O_o how is that the same thing?

I know communism doesn't work, and lots of bad stuff has been done in it's name, but that in no way equates it to nazism.

Also - Stalin/Hitler arguments have gone on since the end of ww2 and will continue forever. Don't bother. Just say they were both genocidal bastards and leave it at that, eh? Admittedly Stalin was more uber-paranoid than genocidal, but then I'm sure Hitler had his reasons too.

To whoever said Communism is bad because people have been killed in the name of communism, I advise you to look at organized religion's wonderful history.

To whoever said Communism is bad because people have been killed in the name of communism, I advise you to look at organized religion's wonderful history.

Brilliant point

I see. Then Stephistan lied to us. There aren'y 525 reasons listed...yet.


"Reason rhymes with treason, sonny, and I ain't no traitor."
Ooooh, you better be careful. Steph and her spouse don't take lightly to being called liars...they might just say you've accused them of being unpatriotic...Canadians.

In all seriousness, anyone who decides who they're voting for on Nov 2nd, based on a movie that has been proven to be chock-full of inaccuracies or on a website that mischaracterizes the truth, certainly has no business making any kind of decisions, important or not.

And for all the success Jabba the Moore's so-called "documentary" had in the box office, isn't it amazing how the polls are now generally showing Bush in the lead? By the way, you need to remember, many of those who drank Jabba's F9/11 Kool-Aid, did so more than once, which dramatically reduces the number of those who actually saw it.

isn't it amazing how the polls are now generally showing Bush in the lead?

That's funny because all the polls I seen today show they are in a dead tie again. Bye, bye Republican convention bounce. Although don't be too sad about it, they call it a bounce for a reason, they never last, or at least rarely.

That's funny because all the polls I seen today show they are in a dead tie again. Bye, bye Republican convention bounce. Although don't be too sad about it, they call it a bounce for a reason, they never last, or at least rarely.

Historically, a dead heat has meant victory for the challenger.

Bye Bye Bushie, don't let the "Worst President Ever" sign hit ya in the ass on the way out.

don't let the "Worst President Ever" sign hit ya in the ass on the way out.

Actually I'd be okay with it if it did hit him.. *LOL*

Actually I'd be okay with it if it did hit him.. *LOL*

I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if many Republican suddenly cried out with the realization that they were faced with 4 years of looking through a Democrat President's garbage to see if he wacks off to J. C. Penny bra ads, or whatever irrelevant-to-his-job thing they can try to fabricate.

I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if many Republican suddenly cried out with the realization that they were faced with 4 years of looking through a Democrat President's garbage to see if he wacks off to J. C. Penny bra ads, or whatever irrelevant-to-his-job thing they can try to fabricate.

Yeah, I see it too. Although Kerry and his wife seem very much in love, I don't think we'll see any blue stained dresses when Kerry is elected ;)

Yeah, I see it too. Although Kerry and his wife seem very much in love, I don't think we'll see any blue stained dresses when Kerry is elected ;)

Unless Teresa is wearing it. Ewwwwwwwww! Lol