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What is your philsophy, and what makes it so great?

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Nazis are authoritarian and against equality. What more do I need to say?

I'll take the anti-Nazi side. The Nazis truely believed that white skinned, blue eyed people were superior to those with brown eyes and darker skin. Nazi scientists even injected blue liquid into Jewish children to try and make their eyes turn blue. Of course, they remained brown and the children went blind. They also of course brutally treated Eastern Europeans and Jews in Concentraition Camps, broke a truce with the USSR and well I could go on and on. Our philsophy is that they had no respect for human life and that they were truly awful human beings (not every soldier but the higher officers). I actually like Rommel because he tried to have Hitler killed. He, of course, was found and killed, although Hitler had to lie about how he died because the German public loved Rommel.

Nazis are authoritarian and against equality. What more do I need to say?

Well so are communists,anarchists, and repbulicans really...

Anyways race is a mental state. I could be black if I wanted to. An asian could be Jewish. That has always been my outlook on the matter. Hitler actually believed this for a while too. But then he got addicted to speed and, well you know the rest of the story.

Oh by the way. The jews need to stop whining about the holocuast. What the'yre doing to the palistinains is no better. Remember what comes around goes around.

Well so are communists,anarchists, and repbulicans really...

Anyways race is a mental state. I could be black if I wanted to. An asian could be Jewish. That has always been my outlook on the matter. Hitler actually believed this for a while too. But then he got addicted to speed and, well you know the rest of the story.

Oh by the way. The jews need to stop whining about the holocuast. What the'yre doing to the palistinains is no better. Remember what comes around goes around.

The speed would of uber rotted his mind it nearly rotted mine and ive seen it make me and some people think and act on crazy thoughts - Its the dirtiest drug in the world it sends you beyond insanity with no light and a black torch if you like.

Well so are communists,anarchists, and repbulicans really...

Anyways race is a mental state. I could be black if I wanted to. An asian could be Jewish. That has always been my outlook on the matter. Hitler actually believed this for a while too. But then he got addicted to speed and, well you know the rest of the story.

Oh by the way. The jews need to stop whining about the holocuast. What the'yre doing to the palistinains is no better. Remember what comes around goes around.
authoritarian anarchists are either confused or they are really either moderate liberatians in love with law enforcement on the right, or communists, or state socialists on the left.

authoritarian anarchists are either confused or they are really either moderate liberatians in love with law enforcement on the right, or communists, or state socialists on the left.

My thoughts exactly. I've never heard of an authoritarian anarchist. It's pretty much a contradiction in terms.

See yah Parra.

Letila authority or security? Your choice. *coldests eyes*

Letila authority or security? Your choice. *coldests eyes*

I don't get it. I thought security was connected to authority.

I don't get it. I thought security was connected to authority.


Security is ones own ability to defend it. :sniper:

:mp5:

*slashing swords.*

I'll take the anti-Nazi side. The Nazis truely believed that white skinned, blue eyed people were superior to those with brown eyes and darker skin. Nazi scientists even injected blue liquid into Jewish children to try and make their eyes turn blue. Of course, they remained brown and the children went blind. They also of course brutally treated Eastern Europeans and Jews in Concentraition Camps, broke a truce with the USSR and well I could go on and on. Our philsophy is that they had no respect for human life and that they were truly awful human beings (not every soldier but the higher officers). I actually like Rommel because he tried to have Hitler killed. He, of course, was found and killed, although Hitler had to lie about how he died because the German public loved Rommel.

Your pigeon holing all Nazi’s for what THE Nazi’s did, not all Nazis have the views of Hitler.

personally im torn on the issue

Security is ones own ability to defend it. :sniper:

:mp5:

*slashing swords.*


Nay, Grasshopper.

Security, is the ability to defend your authority.

My mouth kinda dropped when I saw this article. Um just whoa, unfortunately Nazi's will never be respected by more than 5% of the population, they are too closely connected to the hollocaust. And no Jews don't have to stop complaining, neither do African Americans, neither do Aboriginals, neither do gays or any other type of minority that has had utter unjustice brought to them and since not been compensated. Just recently Germany refused compensation on: "Hey it wasn't this government that did it" terms.

Like I said I'm not even sure what a true Nazi is or if there can be a good Nazi ideal that gives equality but ain't no one gonna trust someone who says "I'm a Nazi supporter", it would be like if someone came into your house with a gun and said "Hey I won't fire it", somehow you just connect the two with death.

Your pigeon holing all Nazi’s for what THE Nazi’s did, not all Nazis have the views of Hitler.

personally im torn on the issue

Actually they pretty much DID share the views...Germans were lured into racism. Even the leaders were amazed that there were almost no protest what so ever when they started to harash Jews.

Anyways race is a mental state. I could be black if I wanted to. An asian could be Jewish. That has always been my outlook on the matter. Hitler actually believed this for a while too. But then he got addicted to speed and, well you know the rest of the story.



Hitler knew that to get his ideas of a new arian superpower through, he had to have someone to blame about everything and an enemy everyone would hate. He choose Jews as antisemitism had been strong in Europe for centuries. In his racial ideology a superior race has to be strong enough to kill everyone who's in their way to world leadership. If they are not able to do this, they are not a super race.

Well so are communists,anarchists, and repbulicans really...



1. you cant have authoritarian and uneqaul anarchism
2. see 1 but change anarchism to communism
3. you're right about the republicans

im a republican and im hispanic asian and hawaiian.

authoritarian anarchists are either confused or they are really either moderate liberatians in love with law enforcement on the right, or communists, or state socialists on the left.

actually anarchists are leftish

Your pigeon holing all Nazi’s for what THE Nazi’s did, not all Nazis have the views of Hitler.

personally im torn on the issue

And what is the difference between nazi's and THE nazi's? :o

im a republican and im hispanic asian and hawaiian.
but republicans support ineqaulity (gays)
and they are authoritarian

Actually they pretty much DID share the views...Germans were lured into racism. Even the leaders were amazed that there were almost no protest what so ever when they started to harash Jews.

because anyone who did was murdered, it was fear that kept most of german populus inline, much like most dictatorships

not all nazi's want to wipe out all other races, just want to keep the races separate

but republicans support ineqaulity (gays)
and they are authoritarian


if anything it is democrats who focus so much on race. i find affirmative action to be very racist. a program supported by democrats. conservatives are against government control. Affirmative action being a good exapmle as well as political correctness.

And what is the difference between nazi's and THE nazi's? :o


THE nazi's - Hitlers nazi's

nazi's - National Socialists

if anything it is democrats who focus so much on race. i find affirmative action to be very racist. a program supported by democrats. conservatives are against government control. Affirmative action being a good exapmle as well as political correctness.
i do not agree with the democrats either, but they focus on race beceause there is rassism, the republicans focus on it to create rassism
the conservatives are against government control in the private sector etc... but not in leadership

THE nazi's - Hitlers nazi's

nazi's - National Socialists

almost every neo-nazi supports hitler...

could you explain an instance in recent history where the republicans created racism? remember they were the party of lincoln.

not in history
but recently george W. bush...

almost every neo-nazi supports hitler...

So there like red-necks...righto.

"Just separating races" Well thats BS isn't it now, that's the stupidest thing ever. Everyone should have the right to travel to whatever country they want. Ok I am officially now Anti-Nazi.

not in history
but recently george W. bush...

please elaborate. i dont recall what he did

please elaborate. i dont recall what he did

gay-rights
its not a race but it has no other name than rassism
as far as i know

almost every neo-nazi supports hitler...


grrr, ok what im getting at is that with most things there are extremes, not all nazis have identical beliefs!

grrr, ok what im getting at is that with most things there are extremes, not all nazis have identical beliefs!


This al depends on what we wean when we say "Nazi".

Are we talking about "National Socialism"?

Or rascist, nationalistic, skinhead types?

grrr, ok what im getting at is that with most things there are extremes, not all nazis have identical beliefs!
i didn't say ALL...

My thoughts exactly. I've never heard of an authoritarian anarchist. It's pretty much a contradiction in terms.

Well, if an-archy is taken literally as "without a leader" and not "without laws" (which would be a-nomie) there could be an authoritative legal system without rulers of any kind in a rigid system without hierarchy; that would be a good definition of such a well indoctrinated herd mentality, or anarchist authoritarian world-view.

So there like red-necks...righto.

"Just separating races" Well thats BS isn't it now, that's the stupidest thing ever. Everyone should have the right to travel to whatever country they want. Ok I am officially now Anti-Nazi.

thats not what I ment, I ment against mixed race relationships, not complete isolation

This al depends on what we wean when we say "Nazi".

Are we talking about "National Socialism"?

Or rascist, nationalistic, skinhead types?


hehe thats what im attempting to say

gay-rights
its not a race but it has no other name than rassism
as far as i know


Gay rights isnt the same as racism. It doesnt have to do with a born unhelped thing. or at least there isnt enough proof to say otherwise. he has the right to have his opinion against gay unions. as you have the right to desagree with him. has he gone about locking up gays? denying gays the right to vote? the right to do what they please in the privacy of their homes? No. Now i wasnt with him on the marriage ammendment thing. i believe it would be a violation of church and state. seeing as how it is a personal religious opinion he was trying to make law. But its not racism, its simply disagreement.

And now to get back on topic. Not all nazis were for killing jews. just seperating them. In fact, so unsupporting of executions were the average nazis, that hitler had to have the jews exterminated in secret. Yes, they were still racist, but they did not want to kill them for the most part.

Are there actually any neo-Nazis here? :p

btw, anarchy is the extreme right...sort of. It's an extension of libertarianism (no government interference) to its natural conclusion: no government.

However, communism also purports to eventually turn into peaceful anarchy (though it never does).

i didn't say ALL...


glad we agree, i didnt say all either

thats not what I ment, I ment against mixed race relationships, not complete isolation


Hey man.

Look at dogs.

Wich breeds of dogs, tend to be healthier?

Your average pure-bred, pedigreed showdog...

Or the average mix-breed Mutt?

As a dog enthusiast, I can tell you, its the mutt.
They live longer too.

Why do you suppose that is?

thats not what I ment, I ment against mixed race relationships, not complete isolation

So there the opposite of accepting. Thats what your saying right? There racist, isn't that it? Tell me quick? Isn't that racism. They would deny my love of an African man since I'm not African, so racism. Ok so they are racist, never mind I answered it. There racist. Thanks for clearing that up.

And now to get back on topic. Not all nazis were for killing jews. just seperating them. In fact, so unsupporting of executions were the average nazis, that hitler had to have the jews exterminated in secret. Yes, they were still racist, but they did not want to kill them for the most part.

thank you, phew i need a rest :)

Are there actually any neo-Nazis here? :p

btw, anarchy is the extreme right...sort of. It's an extension of libertarianism (no government interference) to its natural conclusion: no government.

However, communism also purports to eventually turn into peaceful anarchy (though it never does).

anarchism is about eqaulity and its officially leftish
and so is communism
libertarianism thinks freedom is more important than eqaulity so they are on the right side

Don't be blinded by the fact that the Nazis officialy called themselves "NationalSOCIALISTS". Hitler's regime was deliberately installed by a bunch of Corporations (like IG Farben) who exactly knew what they did. There is a great need nowadays to stop development towards this direction from the beginning, especially in Germany, but also everywhere else: Capitalist Corporations are stopping to support Democracy because they - once again - feel that dictatorships are better for their business. That's why economy is ruled by policies like Thatcherism, Reaganism or the German "Hartz Reform Programme", while freedom in all other terms is decreasing. Neoliberalism, in the end, brings freedom to Corporations but slavery to the people. The next ten or so years will need strong, self-conscient governments who can withstand the money and terror from corporations - otherwise, the world might once again be turned into a giant slaughterhouse like 1939-1945. The Bushs, Blairs or Schroeders have to understand that their current efforts to strengthen Corporations and weaken Government will finally kill them! If they continue like this, no-one would even pity them when "John Nike" comes for them ...

because anyone who did was murdered, it was fear that kept most of german populus inline, much like most dictatorships



Ain't true, not when they started it. The leaders were just testing how ready Germans were to go to war and forgot about human rights.

Hey man.

Look at dogs.

Wich breeds of dogs, tend to be healthier?

Your average pure-bred, pedigreed showdog...

Or the average mix-breed Mutt?

As a dog enthusiast, I can tell you, its the mutt.
They live longer too.

Why do you suppose that is?

i never said i agreed with it or that im even a nazi, basic biology will tell you that genetic diversity is a good thing

Well "separating races" & cultures I wouldn't say is "the stupidest thing ever," if the government sees the utility of engineering a certain kind of population rather than pandering to the population as they are; but are seeking the inherent genotypes in the populations that are those closest to the government's area of jurisdiction and working with them as a kind of social engineering project to hope for long term posterity so that humanity can be allowed to evolve in different directions. That genetic retention is preserved. Indiscriminate pairings off out of a single directed control doesn't allow for a road map for the government to have control of the very people that build the society; if only for aesthetical purposes, as, when broken down, most government choices are. Controling Capital and economy like in Communism are the same except in a subjective commercialist context.

Hitlerian National Socialism had a logic to itself outside of an assumption that such a race was superior or not, of course all such is propaganda, but it benefits long term social experiments that are things to themselves and contain virtues just in what they are and nothing beyond that.

So there the opposite of accepting. Thats what your saying right? There racist, isn't that it? Tell me quick? Isn't that racism. They would deny my love of an African man since I'm not African, so racism. Ok so they are racist, never mind I answered it. There racist. Thanks for clearing that up.

yes GENERALLY you could call them racist, but im just clearing up that most dont want to murder all the "non pure"

Well "separating races" & cultures I wouldn't say is "the stupidest thing ever," if the government sees the utility of engineering a certain kind of population rather than pandering to the population as they are; but are seeking the inherent genotypes in the populations that are those closest to the government's area of jurisdiction and working with them as a kind of social engineering project to hope for long term posterity so that humanity can be allowed to evolve in different directions. That genetic retention is preserved. Indiscriminate pairings off out of a single directed control doesn't allow for a road map for the government to have control of the very people that build the society; if only for aesthetical purposes, as, when broken down, most government choices are. Controling Capital and economy like in Communism are the same except in a subjective commercialist context.

Hitlerian National Socialism had a logic to itself outside of an assumption that such a race was superior or not, of course all such is propaganda, but it benefits long term social experiments that are things to themselves and contain virtues just in what they are and nothing beyond that.

Aesthetical purposes. So it's so they look good. Cause ya wouldn't want to have to much culture would you. So Nazi's support the blocking of culture into a country. What a sad and boring country that would be. And racist.

And now to get back on topic. Not all nazis were for killing jews. just seperating them. In fact, so unsupporting of executions were the average nazis, that hitler had to have the jews exterminated in secret. Yes, they were still racist, but they did not want to kill them for the most part.

The better "trained" (=brainwashed) were in charge of actually executing the Jews (the SS). And it's true they didn't want to kill ALL. They wanted to save few million to be slaves...

Aesthetical purposes. So it's so they look good. Cause ya wouldn't want to have to much culture would you. So Nazi's support the blocking of culture into a country. What a sad and boring country that would be. And racist.

Yes Racist, but descriptively rather than pejoratively.

It didn't oppose culture at all nor claimed to, isn't culture itself defined as an isolated difference, or a difference of separate custom? Therefore multiculturalism in effect cancels out it's composite parts, multiculturalism opposes culture. Diversity would then be retention of culture, and therefore have to include some form of segregation. But it doesn't have to be internal anti-egalitarian segregation, just federalized and separate cultural conditions within themselves.

Racial superiority actually does have some ground in evolutionary science. However, there hasnt been enough time to "evolve" to a more advanced human species. Imaging the human race like computers. you have the original aboriginal or blacks from africa. They are supposedly the originals. then you have some of them move to europe and asia, and being the adaptable animals we are, adapt to the new climate. Now in africa very little changes, no real seasonal changes in other words. It is said that necessity is the mother of inventions. well in europe you have a plethora of ever changing climates and terrain. this causes the human mind to expand by increasing imagination. so now you have the newer versions of humans. call them Human v1.1 but it is a very little change that actually has no change on a superior level. that was proved when jesse owens spanked germany in the 1936 olympics. a black man beating the so called superior germans. So yes, the anglo's are a more advanced version of humanity, but by a margin that makes virtually no difference.

Hitlerian National Socialism had a logic to itself outside of an assumption that such a race was superior or not, of course all such is propaganda, but it benefits long term social experiments that are things to themselves and contain virtues just in what they are and nothing beyond that.

Hitler knew very well that you can gain power and wealthy only by exploiting others. The same thing Spanish, Portugese, French and British had known for centuries.

Racial superiority actually does have some ground in evolutionary science. However, there hasnt been enough time to "evolve" to a more advanced human species. Imaging the human race like computers. you have the original aboriginal or blacks from africa. They are supposedly the originals. then you have some of them move to europe and asia, and being the adaptable animals we are, adapt to the new climate. Now in africa very little changes, no real seasonal changes in other words. It is said that necessity is the mother of inventions. well in europe you have a plethora of ever changing climates and terrain. this causes the human mind to expand by increasing imagination. so now you have the newer versions of humans. call them Human v1.1 but it is a very little change that actually has no change on a superior level. that was proved when jesse owens spanked germany in the 1936 olympics. a black man beating the so called superior germans. So yes, the anglo's are a more advanced version of humanity, but by a margin that makes virtually no difference.


If the margin is so small that it makes virtually no difference, how do you know that Aryans are superior at all?

If the margin is so small that it makes virtually no difference, how do you know that Aryans are superior at all?


well i dont think they are superior, but i do think they are the newer model. however, not new enogh to make us obsolete

Don't be blinded by the fact that the Nazis officialy called themselves "NationalSOCIALISTS". ...

The Nazis weren't Marxian Socialists that wanted Socialism to lead to economic Communism, but National Socialists in that they wanted state Socialism not to dissolve the state but lead to a Socialized Nationalism (rather than Socialized Economy). Private companies survived, but that happening is only imcompatible with Communism or a Socialism ran by a Communist party with Marxist perception of the stages which attempts to bring it from Socialism to Communism (to the Nazis, state Socialism was an ends in itself). The Nazis brought the Companies into tow with the state and abolished many companies, they were very anti-Capitalist in terms of large Capital, and anti-ruling class that wasn't based on racial caste alone. (i.e. they were very anti Kaiserreich & Monarchist, unlike Italian Fascists who were pro-class distinction)

i remember very specifically that there was a banner reading Todd Der Marxism. which means death to marxism at a nazi rally and in mein kampf hitlers main obsession with eliminating the jews grew out of their affiliation with marxism and communism

If the margin is so small that it makes virtually no difference, how do you know that Aryans are superior at all?

I think if I remember my information correctly, the spectrum genetic difference between human types in their entirety is something like 94% between the furthest human racial groupings, but in the spectrum of all DNA lifeforms the human is 99% a monkey. Of course the range of the human spectrum is of course much more limited than the range of all DNA carrying life, but any increment has meaning toward actually have anything meaningful future difference.

I think if I remember my information correctly, the spectrum genetic difference between human types in their entirety is something like 94% between the furthest human racial groupings, but in the spectrum of all DNA lifeforms the human is 99% a monkey. Of course the range of the human spectrum is of course much more limited than the range of all DNA carrying life, but any increment has meaning toward actually have anything meaningful future difference.


the difference between humans and apes is two chomosomes. it may seem small, but it makes a world of difference.

So let me get this straight.. because I am attracted to members of my own race (in this case, German) and am proud to keep that paticular strain of human DNA alive I'm a racist? I don't paticularly mind other people mixing races since it's not enough to damage the human genome as a whole. But there isn't anything wrong with keeping strands of human DNA seperate.

For example, in Iceland which is primarily northern european they're using the population to match the genome because it's a fundamentally untampered example of DNA. It's useful for medical research. But because I made my own choice to stick within my own race to preserve our unique identity I'm a racist but I don't much care what anyone else does?

...

So while I'm not making judgements on anyone else's choices you've made a judgement on my own.

I dont have a problem with choosing a race. If you want to have a "pure" bloodline then all the power to you. I am a mutt though. i sometimes wish i wasnt, because so many of my cultures dont give a crap if you are their nationality unless you are full blood. and being hawaiian, chinese, japanese, puerto rican and caucasion, i will never be accepted by the peoples in the countries i come from. so im doomed to be forever an outcast. But to answer, no i dont think your a racist. I have a preference too.

I dont have a problem with choosing a race. If you want to have a "pure" bloodline then all the power to you. I am a mutt though. i sometimes wish i wasnt, because so many of my cultures dont give a crap if you are their nationality unless you are full blood. and being hawaiian, chinese, japanese, puerto rican and caucasion, i will never be accepted by the peoples in the countries i come from. so im doomed to be forever an outcast. But to answer, no i dont think your a racist. I have a preference too.

What do you mean never be accepted? :o You think everyone in those countires are racist. Hey you're welcome here anytime.

What do you mean never be accepted? :o You think everyone in those countires are racist. Hey you're welcome here anytime.


i mean in japan they will look at me with distrust. the same goes for the other countries. some of them are cool of course. but in those countries i couldnt even get a job or a place to live due to my "polluted" blood. thats why ill probably just stay in hawaii. im so normal here ^^.

i mean in japan they will look at me with distrust. the same goes for the other countries. some of them are cool of course. but in those countries i couldnt even get a job or a place to live due to my "polluted" blood. thats why ill probably just stay in hawaii. im so normal here ^^.

Have to admit, I would welcome you, but not everyone in this country. We, as very small and distant nation here in the edge of Europe, have been within ourselves so long that even now some people are terrified if they see someone with a different skincolor or someone who can't speak Finnish. Sad but true.

Have to admit, I would welcome you, but not everyone in this country. We, as very small and distant nation here in the edge of Europe, have been within ourselves so long that even now some people are terrified if they see someone with a different skincolor or someone who can't speak Finnish. Sad but true.


just the way the world works. no biggie though. at least i look normal enough here in hawaii. alot like everyone else that is.

So let me get this straight.. because I am attracted to members of my own race (in this case, German) and am proud to keep that paticular strain of human DNA alive I'm a racist? I don't paticularly mind other people mixing races since it's not enough to damage the human genome as a whole. But there isn't anything wrong with keeping strands of human DNA seperate.

For example, in Iceland which is primarily northern european they're using the population to match the genome because it's a fundamentally untampered example of DNA. It's useful for medical research. But because I made my own choice to stick within my own race to preserve our unique identity I'm a racist but I don't much care what anyone else does?

...

So while I'm not making judgements on anyone else's choices you've made a judgement on my own.

You presumptious word twisting person. Of course that doesn't make you racist, you would be racist if you looked down of me for loving a member of a different culture. F'DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

not all nazi's want to wipe out all other races, just want to keep the races separateThere's more to being a nazi than that. Add in authoritarianism & leader worship, militarism, and tribalism. Add in a dash of eugenics. There's really not much to like about nazis and a lot to dislike.

There's more to being a nazi than that. Add in authoritarianism & leader worship, militarism, and tribalism. Add in a dash of eugenics. There's really not much to like about nazis and a lot to dislike.


read ALL my previous posts

I would be anti-nazi, because Nazis are just a bunch of fascists with nonsensical racist ideas based of flawed 'science'.

It's not word twisting shit for brains. I'm explaining my racial preference.

For the record, America (at least in certain parts.. I'm still a tad skeptical about the south) it doesn't much matter what skin color you are unless you make an issue of it. Half white, half black friend of my mine David worked hard and everyone loved him, now he works Embassy Duty in the army in Russia. Gabi on the other hand, half white half mexican (father was a Mexican National) was told because he was never going to achieve because of the racists in America were all there was now he works as a Janitor in his mother's school.

The only limitations we have are the ones we put on ourselves.

Besides, race doesn't matter nearly so much for acceptance as being able to tell a good joke and that transcends racial boundaries. Except for South Africans white or black, I can't understand them.

Your pigeon holing all Nazi’s for what THE Nazi’s did, not all Nazis have the views of Hitler.

personally im torn on the issue


If you're a Nazi though. your belief system is similar to that of "THE" Nazis, is it not? Otherwise, if it is completely different, then your not a Nazi but maybe an ariyan or klan supporter.

now the question is do you mean Nazi as in the actual Nazi party of Germany or are you using the term Nazi to describe all fascists? Because based on your definition of Nazi is how the answer changes.

Don't be blinded by the fact that the Nazis officialy called themselves "NationalSOCIALISTS".

Hitler's regime was deliberately installed by a bunch of Corporations (like IG Farben) who exactly knew what they did. There is a great need nowadays to stop development towards this direction from the beginning, especially in Germany, but also everywhere else: Capitalist Corporations are stopping to support Democracy because they - once again - feel that dictatorships are better for their business.

That's why economy is ruled by policies like Thatcherism, Reaganism or the German "Hartz Reform Programme", while freedom in all other terms is decreasing. Neoliberalism, in the end, brings freedom to Corporations but slavery to the people.

The next ten or so years will need strong, self-conscient governments who can withstand the money and terror from corporations - otherwise, the world might once again be turned into a giant slaughterhouse like 1939-1945. The Bushs, Blairs or Schroeders have to understand that their current efforts to strengthen Corporations and weaken Government will finally kill them!

If they continue like this, no-one would even pity them when "John Nike" comes for them ...

Well put..!

(( I agree with your reasoning, if not the actual path or conclusion. ))

And how would you suggest this "weakening of government" be stopped..?

Speaking As a communist (of which i am) i despise everthing of facism they literally scarred the world physically and emotionally, they motioned irrevesible processes.
Speaking as a historian they made amazing discoveries such as they found that smoking causes cancer...
if the world had had that knowledge in the 40's it could have saved an estimated 30 million lives. im not defending nazism im just sayin it funded under funded areas and made a nation great albeit thru corrupt ways... the nazis were evil but still of some use to the world

read ALL my previous postsI did. And yes, I did generalize without the typical disclaimers. And while I don't doubt that the views of individual nazis varied, the ideological garbage I listed above was characteristic of historical nazis. And I know it is to some extent characteristic of neo-nazis, although I wouldn't count on them even knowing what national socialism is.

:headbang: i can't beleive any one would start up a nazi party after all that as happpened in the past :upyours:

i can't beleive any one would start up a nazi party after all that as happpened in the past

I suppose if you have the spare beverages-O'-choice, any excuse for a party is to be expected....

I am firmly anti-nazi but they have a right to speak out as our constitution says.

my preference is as follows.

If i had to choose a political system other than democratic, they i would choose nazism before communism. face it. its more logical to think that mankind has the ability to wipe an entire race off the face of the earth than for mankind to willingly accept no pay for hard work. and i would be a communist before being an anarchist. anarchy is the purest form of stupidity.

my preference is as follows.

If i had to choose a political system other than democratic, they i would choose nazism before communism. face it. its more logical to think that mankind has the ability to wipe an entire race off the face of the earth than for mankind to willingly accept no pay for hard work. and i would be a communist before being an anarchist. anarchy is the purest form of stupidity.

me thinks you are a little unclear on the terms. a communist at least claims to aim at a stateless, classless society. otherwise known as anarchy. to claim you would be in favor of communism before anarchism is to misuse the terms. and of course, communists don't want to make you do hard work for no pay. that'd be fascists and stalinists.

If you're a Nazi though. your belief system is similar to that of "THE" Nazis, is it not? Otherwise, if it is completely different, then your not a Nazi but maybe an ariyan or klan supporter.

just to be clear im not a nazi.

yes Nazi's have similar beliefs otherwise they wouldnt be nazi's, just some are very extreme for example ethnic cleansing, not all nazis are for wiping out all non-aryans

I did. And yes, I did generalize without the typical disclaimers. And while I don't doubt that the views of individual nazis varied, the ideological garbage I listed above was characteristic of historical nazis. And I know it is to some extent characteristic of neo-nazis,
im just trying to point out that "historical nazis", are generally extremists and dont paint a fair picture of national socialism

Similar to an Islamic terrorist doesnt give a fair impression of Islam.

I wouldn't count on them even knowing what national socialism is.

lol, just my point are these extremists really nazis?!

cant people find something new to be? nazism went of out style in the 30s

im just trying to point out that "historical nazis", are generally extremists and dont paint a fair picture of national socialism

Similar to an Islamic terrorist doesnt give a fair impression of Islam.



lol, just my point are these extremists really nazis?!

Then why you want to call national socialist nazis. Nazi will always be a word associated with Hitler.

Then why you want to call national socialist nazis. Nazi will always be a word associated with Hitler.
i dont really want to call them anything

but nazi is short for national socialist as long as they are called national socialists they are going to be called nazis

Some facts about the German National Socialists aka THE NAZIS:

Hitler became anti-semitic soon after WWI in Vienna, and as we all know remained so untill his death in 1945.

Hitler's aim in starting WWII was not only payback for WWI, but also the formation of a sort of "European Union", that Germany was the center of. By creating this union Europe would become the most financialy powerful group of nations in the world.

The execution of anti-jewish policies were not planned ahead of time. If you look at the books, starting in 1933 with some of the first laws passed aganist the Jews in Germany the laws were INITALY only to force Jews out of Germany. As a student of history, there were three distinct phases of the Nazis plan for the Jews. First there was the all but forced emmigration out of the German state. With the annexation of Austria, Germany gained as many ethnic Jews as had left the state.(I can't find my books to get actual numbers, sorry) With the outbreak of the war in 1939, they attempted to either isolate Jews in slums or towards the USSR. Another idea was to load them into boats and ship them enmass to Madigascar. The final phase was that of extermination. Look for yourselves, the Holocaust was not planned in 1925 by Hitler and the bully boys that were the Nazis at the time.

For the record, I am NOT a Nazi, just a history student.

Also, some good triva: Hitler only ranks like 6th in the top 10 most devestating rulers from history. Chairman Mao ranks 1st for killing undisclosed millions in his country during the cultural revolution.
Running in third is none other than Joe Stalin, who managed to kill well over 12 million waging the war aganist Germany, not to mention the 8+million he killed in the purges just previous to WWII.

Not excusing the mass murder of 6 million Jews and thousands of Gays, Catholics, gypsies and many others in Nazi Germany, I just wanted to share some knowledge.

We also must keep in mind that without some of the scientific breakthroughs that the Nazis made, we would not be anywhere close to the level of tech we are at today.

Oh by the way. The jews need to stop whining about the holocuast. What the'yre doing to the palistinains is no better. Remember what comes around goes around.

That isn't fair to say. Jews should be upset about the holocaust as should any sane minded individual. The Nazi-Like behavior of Israel towards the Palestinians has nothing to do with the Israelis being Jews. Zionism is a cult inside Judaism, similar to The Nation of Islam, or Farrakhanism, within Islam. Neither group represents the religion they claim and it is unfair to say that all Jews are responsible for the acts of a few.

im just trying to point out that "historical nazis", are generally extremists and dont paint a fair picture of national socialism
I thought we were talking about nazis, not national socialism. But ok.

National Socalism sucks. National Socialism as defined by the Programme of the NSDAP, 24 February 1920 (http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/) sucks. You already have the racism, the tribalism, the militarism, and the authoritarianism. Missing is the cult of the leader, and the Socialism is far stronger than that the party would later adopt.
National Socialism as definied by the general ideology of the leadership of the nazi party after they came to power is somewhat different, but also sucks. National Socialism was defined by extremists.

I wouldn't count on them even knowing what national socialism is.lol, just my point are these extremists really nazis?!That's debatable. But they're almost all that's left to represent National socialism. Because after all National Socialism sucks.

Chairman Mao ranks 1st for killing undisclosed millions in his country during the cultural revolution.
Running in third is none other than Joe Stalin, who managed to kill well over 12 million waging the war aganist Germany, not to mention the 8+million he killed in the purges just previous to WWII.I would have expected Stalin to be first. Who's second?

Not excusing the mass murder of 6 million Jews and thousands of Gays, Catholics, gypsies and many others in Nazi Germany, I just wanted to share some knowledge.I thought the "others" where also near 6 million killed.