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To those of you who mistakenly think the only thing Kerry talks about is vietnam and faked memos, here are some nice excerpts from recent speeches

Of course, the President would have us believe that his record is the result of bad luck, not bad decisions. That he's faced the wrong circumstances, not made the wrong choices. In fact, this President has created more excuses than jobs. His is the Excuse Presidency: Never wrong, Never Responsible, Never to Blame. President Bush's desk isn't where the buck stops - it's where the blame begins. He's blamed just about everyone but himself and his administration for America's economic problems. And if he's missed you, don't worry - he's still got 48 days left until the election.

Yeah, that sounds wishy-washy...like a load of bricks falling on you is wishy-washy.

We know the truth. George Bush's failed record is the result of George Bush's failed policies. And he chose time and again to do nothing to improve our economy or ease the burden on middle class families. In fact, nearly every choice has made it worse. You can even say that George Bush is proud of the fact that not even failure can cause him to change his mind. This is the man who promised his tax cuts would create 6 million new jobs. Today, three tax cuts later, we've lost a million -- seven million jobs short of his prediction. To George Bush, stubborn leadership is steady leadership. But as far as I'm concerned, George Bush's failures are the result of misplaced values and wrong choices that always give more and more to those with the most and tells the middle-class "you are not the priority."

There goes Kerry, again, concentrating on Vietnam. God, I wish he'd concentrate on Bush's failures...

But you see Bush is winning YAY BUSH.

gymoor,

here is a link to the current polling data

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

it's not enough... he needs to put up a slideshow of all of Bush's failures and cite facts. I know it will be a long speech but talking points are boring and hold no substance. Facts are where it's at and he is still being a pussy about it. He needs to say which decisions were wrong. How they were wrong and how he would do it differently.

gymoor,

here is a link to the current polling data

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


Darn, and I thought election day was in November?

Darn, and I thought election day was in November?


well, since we cant see the future, we have to work with what we have.

I assume you look at weather forecasts from time to time.

well, since we cant see the future, we have to work with what we have.

I assume you look at weather forecasts from time to time.

Sure, but they're rarely accurate more than 5 days in advance.

John Kerry is a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of water buffalo dung!

John Kerry is a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of water buffalo dung!

Kids, this is what happens when you play with Old Yeller.

John Kerry is a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of water buffalo dung!

Nothing like the ad-hominem attacks for the people who hate Kerry.

John Kerry is a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of water buffalo dung!
Which makes Bush what? A pathological liar whose morals cloud his judgment whilest his morose thoughts like "we cannot win the war on terror" get changed days later, because his PR says thats a bad thing to say, to "we will win the war on terror"?

As I can see, Kerry changes his opinions pretty often. Go President Bush, I'd say! It will be 4 MORE YEARS, I believe... Greetings from Norwegian me!

If a tragedy like Bush being re-elected did happen, I can still look on the bright side and see that I can still proudly wear my "Not My President" shirt with Bush's face on it.

And then he can ruin the economy nearly beyond repair and Hillary can come in and save the day in 2008.

well, since we cant see the future, we have to work with what we have.

I assume you look at weather forecasts from time to time.
weather forecasts only go a week ahead of time and can be wrong and are predicted using computer images of where shit is and wind and pressure zones and temperature and that shit, nothing like saying who is going to win an election TWO MONTHS away

If a tragedy like Bush being re-elected did happen, I can still look on the bright side and see that I can still proudly wear my "Not My President" shirt with Bush's face on it.

And then he can ruin the economy nearly beyond repair and Hillary can come in and save the day in 2008.

Nah, Edwards/Obama 2008

You do realize that Kerry's record of voting is for raising taxes and cutting cash to defense and intelligence? Oh, and for his tax raises on the rich: if you make over 70k, you're considered rich and will take those tax raises.

gymoor,

here is a link to the current polling data

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

as a canadian who just recently saw an election take place in a much shorter time period, let me tell you, polls aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Darn, and I thought election day was in November?
If you watch Fox News, the election was over more then 200 days ago according to Sean Hannity. Bush has already won in his mind.

One thing I heard from a guest speaker after a viewing of "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdocks War on Journalism" was that bush claims that "God speaks through me". Personally, I hope that if there is a God, a) it's a hell of a lot more eloquent then bush is and b) why would it choose dubya to speak through out of all the billions of people in this world? Has bush been doing coke again recently?

As a friend of mine put it, a vote for John Kerry is a vote for bringing full sentences back to the White House.

You people are really weird.

Do you know of anybody who thinks that polls are set in stone? You guys noticed the word current didnt you?

geez, I post a link to a compilation of current polls and I get a discourse on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle

Here's the rundown of all the latest horserace polls (which, quite honestly are meaningless, since we don't have a national election). Take them for what you will.

http://pollingreport.com/images/SEPgen.GIF

The biggest spread is 12 points, but there's no chance in hell that Bush has a 12 point lead. That's an outlier for sure.

The other thing to realize is that only one of these is a registered voter poll, and it's the Newsweek poll, which shows a five point lead. The rest are likely voter polls, and the definition of a likely voter varies from poll to poll.

Well, I see where California finally got around to making necrophilia illegal. What a shame. Now John Kerry will either have to get another divorce or stay the hell away from California!

Bush has my vote on the condition that they bring back his sitcom on Comedy Central. That was the best sitcom I ever saw in my life!

I dislike misinformation. Kerry has said $200,000 not $70.000
Yeah, that's what I thought. And if you think that making $200,000 a year doesn't make you rich, I wanna come spend some time at your house!

You do realize that Kerry's record of voting is for raising taxes and cutting cash to defense and intelligence? Oh, and for his tax raises on the rich: if you make over 70k, you're considered rich and will take those tax raises.

I dislike misinformation. Kerry has said $200,000 not $70.000

You do realize that Kerry's record of voting is for raising taxes and cutting cash to defense and intelligence? Oh, and for his tax raises on the rich: if you make over 70k, you're considered rich and will take those tax raises.
you of course decided to play ignorant

he voted to raise taxes...in order to increase defense spending
he voted against defense spending...because it didnt have enough parts to the bill and wouldnt help the deficit
and cite the 70k bs

I hope all you young males that are Bush supporters are also supporters of the draft, because if things continue as they have been for the last four years, thats the direction we're going.

Here's the rundown of all the latest horserace polls (which, quite honestly are meaningless, since we don't have a national election). Take them for what you will.

http://pollingreport.com/images/SEPgen.GIF

The biggest spread is 12 points, but there's no chance in hell that Bush has a 12 point lead. That's an outlier for sure.

The other thing to realize is that only one of these is a registered voter poll, and it's the Newsweek poll, which shows a five point lead. The rest are likely voter polls, and the definition of a likely voter varies from poll to poll.
actually i just read a newsweek article today and the registered voter poll has bush at a 1 point lead where as the likely voter has him at 5 point

Jesse "The Body" Ventura for President in 2008!!!
Bodyslam Terror!
Piledrive Partisan Politics!
;)

I wouldn't believe that website mentioned. The states each have their own graphs, and the author of the website is using linear extrapolation to predict the final results. Some of the states have no data and are just predictions of their current status. Others zig-zag between the two candidates. Linear extrapolation may work for some of the states, but not for others. I patiently await until Election Day for the real winner to be known.

You do realize that Kerry's record of voting is for raising taxes and cutting cash to defense and intelligence? Oh, and for his tax raises on the rich: if you make over 70k, you're considered rich and will take those tax raises.

Do you know that Cheney, as Secretary of Defense, wanted to cut MORE? Why, you ask? Well, because the military was ending it's cold war stance, and the outrageous expenditures made little sense. Nice how you can use something that averyone agreed on to attack Kerry now. Good little puppet.

But you see Bush is winning YAY BUSH.
fuck bush

actually i just read a newsweek article today and the registered voter poll has bush at a 1 point lead where as the likely voter has him at 5 point

Gee, the Republicans sure put a lot of faith in the bounce holding. So you're saying the Newsweek Poll, the one that had an 11 point lead for Bush, now has him at a 1 point lead?

How much further will that bounce fall, I wonder?

Hey Ridge, time for another terror alert!

I can't vote in this election, but in '08 I shall vote for Nader.

I hope all you young males that are Bush supporters are also supporters of the draft, because if things continue as they have been for the last four years, thats the direction we're going.


The only people calling for a draft have been dems, one in particular.

The only people calling for a draft have been dems, one in particular.

It has nothing to do with "calling for a draft." It has everything to do with if this war continues to be executed in the half-assed way the administration is doing it, then a draft may very well be required some time down the road.

I wouldn't believe that website mentioned. The states each have their own graphs, and the author of the website is using linear extrapolation to predict the final results. Some of the states have no data and are just predictions of their current status. Others zig-zag between the two candidates. Linear extrapolation may work for some of the states, but not for others. I patiently await until Election Day for the real winner to be known.

Whats to believe or not believe? Its just a compilation of current polling data. Using linear regression is stupid of course, thats why you look at the projected map with a grain of salt. But if you dont want what I consider to be a very usefull website, then thats up to you.

It has nothing to do with "calling for a draft." It has everything to do with if this war continues to be executed in the half-assed way the administration is doing it, then a draft may very well be required some time down the road.

Oh please. draftees are not very well suited for the types of wars we will have to fight in the future.

The volunteer army works very well.

Highly trained, highly motivated, highly effective.

Oh please. draftees are not very well suited for the types of wars we will have to fight in the future.

The volunteer army works very well.

Highly trained, highly motivated, highly effective.

Well, considering there weren't 1000 death's in Vietnam's first year, what if in 2 years time our volunteer army is "highly dead"?

This month is the most violent since the "Mission Accomplished" banner was unfurled.

Do you see the Iraq War as getting better in the near future?

Well, considering there weren't 1000 death's in Vietnam's first year, what if in 2 years time our volunteer army is "highly dead"?

This month is the most violent since the "Mission Accomplished" banner was unfurled.

Do you see the Iraq War as getting better in the near future?According to Newsweek, (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5973272/site/newsweek/) it's worse than you think.

Well, considering there weren't 1000 death's in Vietnam's first year, what if in 2 years time our volunteer army is "highly dead"?

This month is the most violent since the "Mission Accomplished" banner was unfurled.

Do you see the Iraq War as getting better in the near future?
1,000 deaths in a year and a few months means it would take a few centuries for our army to be highly dead.

Well, considering there weren't 1000 death's in Vietnam's first year, what if in 2 years time our volunteer army is "highly dead"?

This month is the most violent since the "Mission Accomplished" banner was unfurled.

Do you see the Iraq War as getting better in the near future?

we hardly had any troops in Vietnam during the first year. By the time there were a comparable number of troops in Vietnam(as we have in Iraq) we were losing 1000 a week.

edit: make that 500

edit: here is a link
http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/10/20/us-deaths-in-vietnam-and-iraq-by-month/

We'll be out of Iraq before our causalty rates get anywhere near Vietnam levels--not even a re-elected Bush would be able to keep them in there in that case. His own party would turn on him in order to save their own asses.

We'll be out of Iraq before our causalty rates get anywhere near Vietnam levels--not even a re-elected Bush would be able to keep them in there in that case. His own party would turn on him in order to save their own asses.

that is so true : )

If a tragedy like Bush being re-elected did happen, I can still look on the bright side and see that I can still proudly wear my "Not My President" shirt with Bush's face on it.

And then he can ruin the economy nearly beyond repair and Hillary can come in and save the day in 2008.

If you ignorant people think we would be better off with Hilliary in the White House, good God i am glad u are not running our country. I don't agree with every one of Bush's policies, but he is a strong leader and our country needs him re-elected.

Hillary's first mistake - married Bill. Second Mistake - stayed with Bill. Third mistake - stayed with Bill even after he cheated on her with a cow. Anyways, that wasn't really relevant.

But, I would move to Canada in a second if hillary was ever president. No offense to any women out there, but I do not believe women should be president. Men are just made to be leaders and are more steadfast with their decisions. Women would be too emotional in the Whilte House. Women should be more in a supporting role to give advice or maybe in the Cabinet or something, but the leadership of our country. If Hillary was president, good lord, watch out for world war III! All the countries would see how weak we are for electing someone that wouldn't be able to make hard decisions or ever attack or retaliate against a country.

And for the record, if you knew anything about the government and the economy, you would know that the president has very little influence over the economy and you cannot put an economic slide on his shoulders at all!

Kerry talks about "creating new jobs in america" Yet, he/his wife own Heinz with almost ALL their jobs in Mexico! He's a load of crap!

Kerry changes his views on some things (Iraq... grr... can't remember the rest, I'm too tired) between different speeches. In one speech he'll say tht he supported it, the next he didn't support it. And it goes on and on.

Kerry's purple hearts? They're because he cut himself! And a bit of shrapnel in the hand...... The people who served with him say he's full of lies. Hh won't release his army records... any idea why? Hmm..... I wonder.

I've got more.... but like I said, I'm exhausted.... and since I'll never find this thread agian, bye!

Well, I see where California finally got around to making necrophilia illegal. What a shame! Now John Kerry will either have to get another divorce, or stay the hell out of California!

But, I would move to Canada in a second if hillary was ever president. No offense to any women out there, but I do not believe women should be president. Men are just made to be leaders and are more steadfast with their decisions. Women would be too emotional in the Whilte House. Women should be more in a supporting role to give advice or maybe in the Cabinet or something, but the leadership of our country. If Hillary was president, good lord, watch out for world war III! All the countries would see how weak we are for electing someone that wouldn't be able to make hard decisions or ever attack or retaliate against a country.

Well, I guess since you said "no offense to any women out there," it makes your misogyny alright. An intelligent woman would make a much better President than, say, an arrogant, stubborn man of mediocre intelligence. Not referring to anyone in particular, of course. By the way, if it's liberal women you're afraid of, Canada will not be much of an escape for you.

And I am a man, so don't bother making sexist attacks on me. It won't work very well.

"Did you see the pictures in the paper today of John Kerry windsurfing? He's at his home in Nantucket this week, doing his favorite thing, windsurfing. Even his hobby depends on which way the wind blows!" - Jay Leno

Kerry's purple hearts? They're because he cut himself! And a bit of shrapnel in the hand...... The people who served with him say he's full of lies. Hh won't release his army records... any idea why? Hmm..... I wonder.

You really should research stuff instead of believing TV ads mate. The Swift Boat Veterans' claims have long been debunked.

Well, I see where California finally got around to making necrophilia illegal. What a shame! Now John Kerry will either have to get another divorce, or stay the hell out of California!
Shut it. It's not funny. It's blatant trolling idiocy. Go away, no one here is listening.

Yah Kerry, you have managed to keep your big stupid silver spoon holding oaf foot out of your big stupid oaf mouth for 7 whole days now. Thanks CBS!

To those of you who mistakenly think the only thing Kerry talks about is vietnam and faked memos, here are some nice excerpts from recent speeches



Yeah, that sounds wishy-washy...like a load of bricks falling on you is wishy-washy.



There goes Kerry, again, concentrating on Vietnam. God, I wish he'd concentrate on Bush's failures...

Yo must be out'ta yo god damn mind!

Yo must be out'ta yo god damn mind!
Exceedingly! :D

Yo must be out'ta yo god damn mind!

What, exactly, is your argument?

I can't stand Kerry

fuck bush

Oh what a smart and convincing arguement, something you liberals are known for.

Fuck Bush- that is the most intelligent liberal comeback

Notice the shape of the red states. I learned in Political Science class that they call this the "Republican Elephant Trunk". Because it kind looks like an elephant with a trunk sticking out. Whats so special about? These are the only (give and take a few) states that a republican needs (plus Ohio and Flordia) to win an election. So i would be soiling my pants if i was with the Kerry camp right now. On the other hand Colorando is still up for grabs, a state that Bush needs, thats a state he won last election.

Also no Republican has won an election without winning Ohio....its like a curse of some sorts.

www.electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com)

I can't stand Kerry

Wow, what a convincing and eloquent argument [/sarcasm]

If you ignorant people think we would be better off with Hilliary in the White House, good God i am glad u are not running our country. I don't agree with every one of Bush's policies, but he is a strong leader and our country needs him re-elected.

Hillary's first mistake - married Bill. Second Mistake - stayed with Bill. Third mistake - stayed with Bill even after he cheated on her with a cow. Anyways, that wasn't really relevant.

But, I would move to Canada in a second if hillary was ever president. No offense to any women out there, but I do not believe women should be president. Men are just made to be leaders and are more steadfast with their decisions. Women would be too emotional in the Whilte House. Women should be more in a supporting role to give advice or maybe in the Cabinet or something, but the leadership of our country. If Hillary was president, good lord, watch out for world war III! All the countries would see how weak we are for electing someone that wouldn't be able to make hard decisions or ever attack or retaliate against a country.

Good god man.

While Hillary scares the crap out of me, it isnt because she is a woman. Do you really think that someone as intelligant and capable as hillary would cave in to emotion? Do you really think that she hasnt known/covered up for her hubby banging busloads of woman? Please, it all about power and he was a good ticket. Of the two, I would say Bill is the more emotional one. Hillary is smart, calculating and capable. And if she became president or VP, I would split double quick.


And for the record, if you knew anything about the government and the economy, you would know that the president has very little influence over the economy and you cannot put an economic slide on his shoulders at all!

Very true.

People think that presidents wave their magic wand and jobs and growth sprout like Jack's beans.

John Kerry is a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of water buffalo dung!

Amen! :p

(Of course, I feel the same way about Bush...)

Kerry talks about "creating new jobs in america" Yet, he/his wife own Heinz with almost ALL their jobs in Mexico! He's a load of crap!

Kerry changes his views on some things (Iraq... grr... can't remember the rest, I'm too tired) between different speeches. In one speech he'll say tht he supported it, the next he didn't support it. And it goes on and on.

Kerry's purple hearts? They're because he cut himself! And a bit of shrapnel in the hand...... The people who served with him say he's full of lies. Hh won't release his army records... any idea why? Hmm..... I wonder.

I've got more.... but like I said, I'm exhausted.... and since I'll never find this thread agian, bye!

http://www.antiquark.com/entropyzone/wallpaper/no_bullshit_wp.jpg

Someone hasn't looked up ANYTHING.

If you ignorant people think we would be better off with Hilliary in the White House, good God i am glad u are not running our country. I don't agree with every one of Bush's policies, but he is a strong leader and our country needs him re-elected.

Wow. I bet you're a real chick-magnet, huh?

The volunteer army works very well.

Highly trained, highly motivated, highly effective.

"What we see is a classic progression," says Andrew Krepinevich, author of the highly respected study "The Army and Vietnam." "What we also see is that the U.S. military is not trained or organized to fight insurgencies. That was the deliberate choice after Vietnam. Now we look to be paying the price."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5973272/site/newsweek/