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Amid all these political arguments, I got bored, so here is the greatest argument of all time:

Cats Vs Dogs

So which one do you prefer? myself, I love dogs, though cats arn't to bad.

Dogs. They consider themselves part of the family. Cats just sponge off of their owners and contribute nothing aside from some pest control.

More of a cat type here.

I like some dogs OK, but some scare me, and even the nice ones just have WAY too much energy for me to want to try and take care of one.

Joey's wrong about cats, though. There are some that are aloof, but you just have to be observant when you go to the shelter to pick one up. I did, and the way I chose our current cat is that she kept showing an interest in me and wanting to be friendly. If you get a cat that is very social and talkative, and then reward it for being that way, you can kind of get the best of both worlds between a cat and a dog. This cat will "talk" to you and be friendly with you, but will not be in your face 24/7.

Plus, cats instinctively know to use a litterbox as soon as you show them where the box is. Dogs have to be housebroken. BIG advantage there. ;-)

IF you have the time and energy for a dog, and to properly train it, go right ahead, but I personally don't. It wouldn't just be bad for me, it would be bad for the dog, and I don't want to do that to an animal. :-/

I believe that cats if given attention from a young age can be very affectionate and a real part of a family. My cat is about 11 years old, and always sits with at least one human; she loves visiters and she's just so darn cute!!

I really like both, but I am allergic to dogs and cats. That's why I have three birds.

More of a cat type here.

I like some dogs OK, but some scare me, and even the nice ones just have WAY too much energy for me to want to try and take care of one.

Joey's wrong about cats, though. There are some that are aloof, but you just have to be observant when you go to the shelter to pick one up. I did, and the way I chose our current cat is that she kept showing an interest in me and wanting to be friendly. If you get a cat that is very social and talkative, and then reward it for being that way, you can kind of get the best of both worlds between a cat and a dog. This cat will "talk" to you and be friendly with you, but will not be in your face 24/7.

Plus, cats instinctively know to use a litterbox as soon as you show them where the box is. Dogs have to be housebroken. BIG advantage there. ;-)

IF you have the time and energy for a dog, and to properly train it, go right ahead, but I personally don't. It wouldn't just be bad for me, it would be bad for the dog, and I don't want to do that to an animal. :-/
Depends if you've got a alrhousebroken dog, mine is, unfortuntly he's only got 3 legs but there you go...

And cats edge into the lead....

Depends if you've got a alrhousebroken dog, mine is, unfortuntly he's only got 3 legs but there you go...

It's very good that you've taken him in...that might be a bit more difficult for him in nature.

Even if a dog's already housebroken, their energy level is just through the roof, some of them, and they REALLY require a lot of training to keep them from accidentally causing problems in their exuberence. Think of Retrievers! Other breeds are downright dangerous (again requires a LOT of training to prevent problems), and the little ones just seem to have unpleasant personalities, in many cases. There are exceptions to every rule, but this has been my experience.

I guess I'd rather have a pet that can be calm and take a nap with me, than one that I need to walk. ;-) What I really love is when, in the winter, a cat lies down on your chest...feline body temperature is naturally higher, so it's like having a heating pad that purrs!

Go cats. Dogs are way to High mantenence.

Though a cat that acts like a dog would be my favorite, they're playful but not too playful, loving, but not when you're trying to play video games. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

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Though a cat that acts like a dog would be my favorite, they're playful but not too playful, loving, but not when you're trying to play video games.

LOL, that's what our family ended up making out of our current cat! I definitely miss her when I'm not visiting with them. Unless it's very late at night, she won't be insanely active, but she does like people...even likes to come camp out in whatever room has the most people in it, so she can see what everyone's doing. I swear, she does basic math and figures out which floor of our house has the most people on it. ;-) When she meows, she does it in an almost speech-like way, because even though she obviously can't say anything (though my dad and I both thought we heard her say, "What?" once. It was FREAKY...we just stared at each other.), she knows that's how to get attention!

I believe that cats if given attention from a young age can be very affectionate and a real part of a family. My cat is about 11 years old, and always sits with at least one human; she loves visiters and she's just so darn cute!!

One of my cats is just like that. The other is more wary of strangers but completely loving with family members, which is typical of most cats that I have known.

yeah, cats are best.

when i have a cat of my own, i'm teaching it to use the potty.

that's not something a dog can do.

ah, the ultimate in a lazy person's pet.

Dogs all the way.
They have made a huge contribution to man-police dogs,war dogs,guide dogs,huskies,rescue dogs,sniffer dogs,bloodhounds,guard dogs,companians,etc.
Dogs have a lot more personality.

Cats are evil.
Full stop.What do they contribute?
The smelliest piss on earth and a surly attitude.They ooze contempt.
Catbert (from the Dilbert comic strip) is not merely a fictional character,it is an accurate character study.
Has anyone seen the movie "Cats & dogs" ?
The symbol for the feline army was based on the Nazi flag.
Coincidence? I think not.
I am a peaceful person,but I would happily execute all cats in cold blood with an unnecessarily large-calibre weapon.
:sniper:
And laugh as they disintegrate.

Dogs rock! They are extremely loyal, friendly, and fun. I'm not really a cat person. Sure, they are fun when they are kittens, but then they get kind of cranky and just sleep a lot.

Funny,
I always imagined you as a cat person,judging from your posts.
Do you have any large calibre weapons?
:p

Dogs are entirely undiscerning. They like anyone and everyone. To get a cat to like you is actually an achievement. And cats could chase sticks if they wanted to, they're just not that dumb. Cat's are for people that want an animal companion. Dogs are for people that want to be needed.

Dogs are entirely undiscerning. They like anyone and everyone. To get a cat to like you is actually an achievement. And cats could chase sticks if they wanted to, they're just not that dumb. Cat's are for people that want an animal companion. Dogs are for people that want to be needed.
Dogs are usefull. They can protect your property, find drugs (good if you smoke a lot of weed and get forgetfull), lead blind people around, etc. Cats can be replaced by a mousetrap.

I almost forgot to mention that dogs don't hack up hairballs all the time.

Dogs are usefull. They can protect your property, find drugs (good if you smoke a lot of weed and get forgetfull), lead blind people around, etc. Cats can be replaced by a mousetrap.Geese are better at guarding your property then dogs. Hippies can be used to find your drugs for you. Fair point on guide dogs, but that doesn't make them better pets. I've always found that cats are better for impressing women then dogs. ;)

My dog never chased a stick in his life.a ball,mind you.....
Cats don't chase sticks cos they can't be bothered.
They are lazy animals for mostly lazy or invalid people.
They are for people who want a pet or companian with none of the responsibility.
Cats come & go as they please -where are they when you need 'em?
They are spiteful.I know many people who have been scratched or attacked by cats,in many cases,their actual owners.
And I mean on a regular basis.
I have also been attacked.
Dogs are smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds them.
They know they have a good deal.

Geese are better at guarding your property then dogs. Hippies can be used to find your drugs for you. Fair point on guide dogs, but that doesn't make them better pets. I've always found that cats are better for impressing women then dogs. ;)
Geese? I would kick a geese's ass!
karate chop,snap the neck back....
As for impressing women,they love my mutt.
It depends on the woman,is she a cat or dog person?

I've heard of cats that will play "fetch".

Mine even did it as a kitten...I'd throw a little ball of paper, and she'd bring it back to me for me to throw again. ;-) She's become a lot more subdued now, in her middle-age, but she's still pretty personable.

Lucktonia, I think you should consider the possibility that those cats attacked you because they KNOW you don't like them and perceive in you a threat. From some of your comments, I have to wonder JUST how worried a poor black cat that crossed YOUR path should be! :-(

BTW, cat pee only smells really awful if you get a male. Get a female and you will never have to worry about spraying.

Cats! Cats times a million billion trillion.

Plus 1.

My cat fetches paper balls, has just as much energy as a dog (more than our dog, in fact... *she's* the fat lazy slob, he's the epitome of health).

And I agree with whoever it was who pointed out that with a cat you have to *earn* their respect. Dogs will bond with anyone or anything. Have you heard of the trend with burglars these days using balls to distract guard dogs? I know for a fact that our dog (if she was even awake) would total ignore a robber if he threw a ball for her to chase. Our cat, on the other hand, would be bouncing off the walls if a stranger entered the house when we weren't home.

When I leave home I'm going to get three cats and name them:
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot.
(bolds because not everyone gets this :p)

dogs > cats

Personally, I like them both. I never understood why people would like one and not the other.

Unfortunately, both my husband and I are allergic to cats, so we can only have dogs.

Personally, I like them both. I never understood why people would like one and not the other.

Unfortunately, both my husband and I are allergic to cats, so we can only have dogs.

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :fluffle:

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :fluffle:

Sure, sure. Try to make out with me after mocking my pain. Maybe I don't like dogs as much as I thought I did. :P



(Well, actually, my Pekingese is a doll-baby.) :D

sorry :p

You know why dogs are called "Mans Best Friend"?

Becuase no home is complete without one.

When you come home, at least one person will always be happy to see you.
When you think that no one on the face of the earth likes you.....your dog always will.
Your dog would probably give his life for yours, if you asked him to. Many times, you dont even have to.

A person cannot know what "Unconditional Love" is until they have had a dog.
There was a comic strip I saw once, and it was "Hagar The Horrible".
(Viking guy... for you non americans.use to be kinda funny, back in the day)

anyway, in the first and consecutive panels we see Hagar and his freinds leave on a Viking.
Later, we see him return, after some pillaging, looting, and whatever else we are supposed to assume Hagar has done.

His dog is waiting for him when he gets back, wagging his tail.

This goes to show that no matter what kind of asshole you are, no matter how much of a monster you may be, if you are good to your dog, he will believe that you make the sun rise and fall.

Hitler had a German Shepard named "Blondie".
I bet that dog loved him.

"If you would make the most of your money, take it and buy a pup. You will have purchased love, unconditional."
-Rudyard Kipling.

maybe they just want food

.........
This goes to show that no matter what kind of asshole you are, no matter how much of a monster you may be, if you are good to your dog, he will believe that you make the sun rise and fall.......

So... either they're so stupid that they can't pick up on arsehole vibes (tm), or... what? They don't care?

So your message is "Horrible, evil, sickening people can be happy: dogs are too stupid to dislike them!"

Cats can judge character. If you're an arsehole, they'll hate you. And rightfully so. You're an arsehole. You don't DESERVE unconditional love.

And only a dog would be fool enough to give it to you. You should stop being a jerk, become a better person, and then buy a cat (because that way you'll only get the love if you deserve it).

Personally I'd rather someone (/thing) love me because I'm a good person, not because they give it away to anyone who 'treats them good' (ie feeds them).

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disclaimer - the 'you' was general. I don't think BackwoodsSquatches is a jerk... I do think that jerks are though, because, well, yeah...

I love both dogs and cats. but my wife likes Shih-tzus. So that is what we have....I love these little things too. How can you not?

Plus, cats instinctively know to use a litterbox as soon as you show them where the box is. Dogs have to be housebroken. BIG advantage there. ;-)

I don't know about that! I once had a cat that used to sleep in the litter box and do #1 and #2 in what was supposed to be his bed.

And cats could chase sticks if they wanted to, they're just not that dumb.

Then explain to me why my cat chases snowballs. I don't think she's dumb in any way, shape....oh, wait that's right my cat rolls along the edge of roof that's two stories high! :rolleyes:

I'm not exactly sure how you came to such conclusions. I personally believe cats and dogs are pretty much on the same intelligence level. They're just different when it comes to likes and dislikes, personality and intelligence for certain tasks. I mean both my cat and dog can associate words with certain things (Food for example, their own names, each others names, etc.). So clearly, to me at least, neither is exactly stupid when it comes to certain things. It's pointless to sit there and declare one's smarter than the other. They both possess some sort of intelligence, that much is clear, but unless you're a dog or a cat, you don't know precisely what type of intelligence they are capable of.

I think all dogs are different, my current dog is terrified of cars (Well he was run over) runs away from me when I try to take him for a walk (Except after 9PM) and will decide that he wants to play on a wilm, one minuate you'll see that he's asleep and go to bed, the next, once you in bed and tryigng to get to sleep he'll jump on the bed with a toy in his mouth and won't leave you alone.

Still, I like him.

Dogs:

a) growl when they're angry;

b) wag their tails when they're happy.

Cats:

a) growl when they're happy;

b) wag their tails when they're angry.

Ancient inter-species conflict based on miscommunication of body language.

There was a comic strip I saw once, and it was "Hagar The Horrible".
(Viking guy... for you non americans.use to be kinda funny, back in the day)

anyway, in the first and consecutive panels we see Hagar and his freinds leave on a Viking.
Later, we see him return, after some pillaging, looting, and whatever else we are supposed to assume Hagar has done.

His dog is waiting for him when he gets back, wagging his tail.

This goes to show that no matter what kind of asshole you are, no matter how much of a monster you may be, if you are good to your dog, he will believe that you make the sun rise and fall.

That's a total rip-off of a Gary Larsen "Far Side" cartoon!

Anyway, I always loved cats, and detested dogs til I had to take ownership of my brother's Bull Mastiff/Ridgeback/Alsatian cross.
And yes, he was fairly intimidating to look at. Scared away a couple of possible burglars with his very loud and deep bark in the two years I had him. But he was a huge softy at heart and I ended up enjoying talking him for huge long walks along the beach ('Ninety Mile' beach, so you could get a fairly good walk in!). It gave me time to think and anyway the look of excitement, joy and eagerness on his face when he realised where we were going was priceless. Dogs are hilarious like that. Even though it's something I did with him every day (taking him for a walk, the beach thing was only at the weekends) he'd get excited like it was the first time he'd ever done it.
Likewise the way he always followed me to the car when I went to work and would be lying on the neighbours lawn waiting for me when I came home always picked me up, no matter how lousy a day I had.
That said, there's something quite special about stroking a cat and having it crawl under the covers on cold winter nights that a dog just can't compete with. For a start dogs stink, no matter how much you wash them. And they pretty dirty creatures, with their sniffing bottoms, eating other dog's crap, getting a boner when you pat them and mounting anything vaguely leg-like. Cats don't do that. Though some dribble when they get really happy.
I really would love to have a Jaguar or Leopard, but because they so vicious, a Cheetah. They can be trained if you get them at birth. I'd love to have a sign on the lawn saying "Beware of Cat". Let's see a burglar outrun one of those things!

I hate dogs. They're ugly, annoying, whinging, sloobering, stupid, mangy mutts. And they make me sneeze. And they won't stop jumping all over you, even when you kick them. Ugh.
I knew mods where mean, inhuman, nasty people but thats just cruel.

I hate dogs. They're ugly, annoying, whinging, sloobering, stupid, mangy mutts. And they make me sneeze. And they won't stop jumping all over you, even when you kick them. Ugh.

I hate dogs. They're ugly, annoying, whinging, sloobering, stupid, mangy mutts. And they make me sneeze. And they won't stop jumping all over you, even when you kick them. Ugh.

You kick dogs? I get it that you don't like dogs, but don't kick them. It's cruel and inhumane. How would you feel if I kicked you hard right in ass? I somehow doubt that you would enjoy it.

Also do you even know the definition of the word "mutt"? A mutt is simply not a purebred, which, for your information, doesn't make them any less of a pet if they're not purebred.

I think all dogs are different, my current dog is terrified of cars (Well he was run over) runs away from me when I try to take him for a walk (Except after 9PM) and will decide that he wants to play on a wilm, one minuate you'll see that he's asleep and go to bed, the next, once you in bed and tryigng to get to sleep he'll jump on the bed with a toy in his mouth and won't leave you alone.

Still, I like him.

There's nothing wrong with being scared of cars. It's a rational fear. You run out in front of one you're dead meat. So, it is pretty fine to avoid them. My dog, on the other hand, has irrational fears. For example, she afraid of babies because they crawl on all fours despite the fact she herself is a 90+ lb English Lab. Granted she was attacked by a small dog when she was just a pup, so anything that's small and walks on all fours freaks her out if she doesn't know what it is (She is not afraid of cats because she realizes there's a difference between cats and dogs. She is afraid off babies, however, because she has know idea what to identify one as), but it is a stupid, irrational fear.

I like both, but I prefer cats because they've got human qualities.

Shame I'm kind of allergic to them, ah well.

There's nothing wrong with being scared of cars. It's a rational fear. You run out in front of one you're dead meat. So, it is pretty fine to avoid them. My dog, on the other hand, has irrational fears. For example, she afraid of babies because they crawl on all fours despite the fact she herself is a 90+ lb English Lab. Granted she was attacked by a small dog when she was just a pup, so anything that's small and walks on all fours freaks her out if she doesn't know what it is (She is not afraid of cats because she realizes there's a difference between cats and dogs. She is afraid off babies, however, because she has know idea what to identify one as), but it is a stupid, irrational fear.
Funny fear...

I prefer cats, theyre cleaner, cuter, and more refined... a lot quiter to in many cases, especially russian blue.

I guess I'd rather have a pet that can be calm and take a nap with me, than one that I need to walk. ;-) What I really love is when, in the winter, a cat lies down on your chest...feline body temperature is naturally higher, so it's like having a heating pad that purrs!

Dogs can be calm as well. I once had a Lab that was calm 100% of the time. Unfortunately, she died of cancer when she was 4 yrs old. Also I've had cats that are anything but calm. Hell, I had one that would regularily attack people because he thought it was a game. One time he even attacked my sister and bit her on the neck like he was a fricking vampire! That's not what I would consider a safe and calm animal. If you ask me, being calm and safe to be around really depends on the animal's behavior as an individual, not on what species it is or even the bred. For example, my neighbor used to have two Rotweillers, and they were among the calmest, most well behaved animals I've seen. Yet as a breed they are stereotyped as being dangerous, go figure.

Funny fear...

Yes, it is. The really funny thing is that she is fine around babies once they start walking. I guess it's because she associates walking up-right with humans rather than crawling.

Yay for dogs! Me, I have nothing to back it up, I just like dogs better. I can get along with cats fine, but meyself and dogs seem to just click. Kinda like me and salamanders. :)

You kick dogs? I get it that you don't like dogs, but don't kick them. It's cruel and inhumane. How would you feel if I kicked you hard right in ass? I somehow doubt that you would enjoy it. Of course not. I nudge them with my foot to get them to stop jumping all over me. And it doesn't work, usually.

Also do you even know the definition of the word "mutt"? A mutt is simply not a purebred, which, for your information, doesn't make them any less of a pet if they're not purebred.
A "mutt" is synonomous with "dog" for me. It was a pair of goldren retreivers, which I believe were purebred, that made my allergy to dogs explode when I slept on a couch they liked to use. Anyway, purebred or not doesn't make a bit of difference to me, I still really don't like em.

to prove cats are of higher intelligence.
ingredients: one cat one dog and one human.
1.take a ball throw it across the room. now tell the dog to get it if it hasnt done it yet. gage reaction.
2. remove dog from room and do the same thing with the human subject. gage reaction. they probally looked at you like you were crazy. reasoning is the key here.
3. remove human and dog and attempt the same thing with the cat. gage reaction. the cat gives you the same look your human friend did. insisting they insight reasoning when dogs dont.

tada.

just the fact that cats use litter boxes makes them of higher intelligence. leave a bowl of food on the table and the cat takes what it needs and regulates. a dog will eat till his belly explodes. i loves dogs but cats are 50%more intelligent.

Point to something. A dog will look at what you're pointing at. A cat will look at the tip of your finger.

just the fact that cats use litter boxes makes them of higher intelligence. leave a bowl of food on the table and the cat takes what it needs and regulates. a dog will eat till his belly explodes. i loves dogs but cats are 50%more intelligent.

Apparently you didn't see my post showing not all cats use litter boxes to do their business. Thus, I will restate what I said previously. I had cat once, and it was a stupid animal. It attacked people for fun, slept in a litter box, pooped and peeped in what was supposed to be its bedding, and it also attacked horses (Which oddly enough resulted in its eventual demise as one the horse it attacked got fed up with it and steped on it, crushing the cat's lower body). Cats are smart? Some are, but apparently you'll happen along your occasional idiot. Then again, this is true of any species.

As I say, all dogs have different intellagance ratios however I think that the smartest dog is cleverer than the smartest cat. After all how many CATS do you see herding sheep.

I think the error of many is to confuse a dog's submissiveness for stupidity. Dogs are definitely smarter. Cats are definitely easier to handle. I love them both. I was raised with cats and now I have dogs. They were unplanned dogs, and if I had my way I would've gotten one puppy and one kitten and raised them together.

:::kicks, ahem, "nudges", unfree:::
I was a cynophobe for most of my life due to several dog attacks at a fairly early age (I was once chased out of one of my best friend's dorm room by her chihuahua...)

I have been moderately cured by my parents black Lab/Malamute mix and my uncles various Greyhounds. (Meeting the greyhounds for the first time was very weird - they ran away from me instead of the usual me running awy from the dog!)

I'll also note that, while in certain instances specific dogs or cats may seem to have greater intelligence, it is, as far as I can tell, impossible to say which is more intelligent ethologically.

I think the error of many is to confuse a dog's submissiveness for stupidity. Dogs are definitely smarter. Cats are definitely easier to handle. I love them both. I was raised with cats and now I have dogs. They were unplanned dogs, and if I had my way I would've gotten one puppy and one kitten and raised them together.

I wouldn't call it submissiveness. Rather I believe dogs just know when to admit when their over their heads much more than cats. If a dog is unsure of what to do, typically the dog will turn to its owner to help it out. I haven't seen many cats do that. In fact, I haven't seen many cats that know when they're over their heads.

I like both but seen to do best with cats and currently have 5 living with me. (I do cat fostering for the local SPCA). Personally I think that cats turn out better when raised with a dog and the same goes for puppies.
My Occi cat is very friendly, plays fetch and has been easier to leash train than a dog. :)

There is no question that dogs are smarter than cats.
Most dogs (big dogs, anything smaller than a Beagle, is a rat.)
Have bigger brains than cats.
Dogs can be trained to be seeing eye dogs.
They can be trained to know when thier owner is about to have a seizure, and get that person to a couch.
Dogs have been helping man in so many numerous ways since the dawn of time.

Cats are useless bags of fur that stink up your house, and arent smart enough to be trained to piss outside.

Get three dogs, and three cats.

After a week, you tell me wich set of animals is making your house smell like piss.

There is no question that dogs are smarter than cats.
Most dogs (big dogs, anything smaller than a Beagle, is a rat.)
Have bigger brains than cats.
Dogs can be trained to be seeing eye dogs.
They can be trained to know when thier owner is about to have a seizure, and get that person to a couch.
Dogs have been helping man in so many numerous ways since the dawn of time.

Cats are useless bags of fur that stink up your house, and arent smart enough to be trained to piss outside.

Get three dogs, and three cats.

After a week, you tell me wich set of animals is making your house smell like piss.

Brain size may be larger, but you know why? Because the animal is larger. A whale may have a brain bigger than your entire body combined, but when you take into consideration the actual body/brain RATIO it's apparent that brain size doesn't tell the whole story. The only practical comparison would be between a cat and a cat-sized dog... and even then, it matters more what is done *with* the brain, not just how large it is.

And cats can learn tricks, and if they make your house smell like piss, chances are you're being a lazy sod and a) not providing kitty litter of ai) not *changing* the kitty litter or b) not getting off your arse to let the cat out.

Unlike dogs, cats aren't moronic enough to sit around waiting for YOU to decide they can go out. If they want to piss and you don't let them, you can expect a yellow puddle on something you care about. It's not stupid, it's evil-genius-ness.

Brain size may be larger, but you know why? Because the animal is larger. A whale may have a brain bigger than your entire body combined, but when you take into consideration the actual body/brain RATIO it's apparent that brain size doesn't tell the whole story. The only practical comparison would be between a cat and a cat-sized dog... and even then, it matters more what is done *with* the brain, not just how large it is.

And cats can learn tricks, and if they make your house smell like piss, chances are you're being a lazy sod and a) not providing kitty litter of ai) not *changing* the kitty litter or b) not getting off your arse to let the cat out.

Unlike dogs, cats aren't moronic enough to sit around waiting for YOU to decide they can go out. If they want to piss and you don't let them, you can expect a yellow puddle on something you care about. It's not stupid, it's evil-genius-ness.

Right...

Besides companionship, and the occasional pest control, if the cat isnt a fat lazy bastard, and can actually catch mice...

Name one useful thing cats are good for.

Dog: I've got to learn to do this and that because the creature that feeds me wants me to. And if I don't he won't feed me and I'll starve, after all he is the pack leader.
Cat: So you want me to do this and that? Or you won't feed me? So I don't do it and still get fed, or I don't do it don't get fed and sod off and survive very easily without you thank you very much.

So the dog is most intilligent?

Don't see wild dogs setting traps for prey like lions.

So if you train by depravation or reward a child to do a task you want it to do that makes it more clever than the child that refuses to be trained?

So, you automatically assume that a dogs ability to learn is less than a cats in-ability?

Dogs can be taught.

Cats, cannot.

Further, did it occur to you that maybe most dogs are eager to please, and are willing to learn for no other reason?

So, you automatically assume that a dogs ability to learn is less than a cats in-ability?

Dogs can be taught.

Cats, cannot.

Further, did it occur to you that maybe most dogs are eager to please, and are willing to learn for no other reason?

Cats can learn, actually. Maybe you should look into psychology? There are plenty of experiments done on cats that show they can learn.

Or maybe you should just stop talking out of your arse?

And no, it didn't occur to me. But it makes no difference. I don't want a pet that does stuff JUST to 'please' me. Christ, how insecure would I have to be to want a pet who would learn for NO OTHER REASON than to please me? 'The hell? I want a pet that has a unique personality, not a doormat.

Cats can learn, actually. Maybe you should look into psychology? There are plenty of experiments done on cats that show they can learn.

Or maybe you should just stop talking out of your arse?

And no, it didn't occur to me. But it makes no difference. I don't want a pet that does stuff JUST to 'please' me. Christ, how insecure would I have to be to want a pet who would learn for NO OTHER REASON than to please me? 'The hell? I want a pet that has a unique personality, not a doormat.
Woah calm!
Actually there is a Russina circus actwith trained cats, far more impressive than trained dogs as the wlak the tight rope, balance atop poles etc etc. The training of cats is different to dogs and takes more patience but is possible.
I like dogs, but cats are just so much more efficient.

Right...

Besides companionship, and the occasional pest control, if the cat isnt a fat lazy bastard, and can actually catch mice...

Name one useful thing cats are good for.

So... you define your intelligence soley based on how 'useful' you are to other people? Why?

Cats don't obey moronic commands, aren't 'happy go lucky' (ugh and ugh). If they like you, they'll be waiting on the doorstep to meet you, they'll sleep on your bed, they'll play fetch. They'll do anything a dog does (given the right incentive). They don't slobber, don't bounce on you, don't require walking, and aren't airheads. And yes, see, here's the thing... you know those people you meet? The ones that are always daydreaming and never quite know what the heck is going on? And are always idiotically happy (because they are, dare I say it, more than a little slow)? And think your their bestest, bestest friend, even though all you did was lend them a pencil? That's dogs.

The reason you don't see sniffer-cats is that cats have better things to do with their time than aid dumb-arse humans. That is, after all, what dogs are for, apparently.

Woah calm!
Actually there is a Russina circus actwith trained cats, far more impressive than trained dogs as the wlak the tight rope, balance atop poles etc etc. The training of cats is different to dogs and takes more patience but is possible.
I like dogs, but cats are just so much more efficient.

I am calm :p

I'm just half-Italian and half-Irish... I act the same way no matter what an argument is about... be it whether or not crows are in fact white (yes, I was on the pro side) or whether pro-lifers should keep their propaganda to themselves (go on, guess).

Don't worry, I'm not *actually* going to blow a blood vessel and die, no matter what appearance I may give :D

I actually like dogs too... within reason. I don't go around kicking them or anything. But when I leave home, my house is going to be a cat-and-ferret-house-only (that is if I have the patience for ferrets... they're soooo hard to look after, but soooo cute.... BAH!)

I am calm :p

I'm just half-Italian and half-Irish... I act the same way no matter what an argument is about... be it whether or not crows are in fact white (yes, I was on the pro side) or whether pro-lifers should keep their propaganda to themselves (go on, guess).

Don't worry, I'm not *actually* going to blow a blood vessel and die, no matter what appearance I may give :D

I actually like dogs too... within reason. I don't go around kicking them or anything. But when I leave home, my house is going to be a cat-and-ferret-house-only (that is if I have the patience for ferrets... they're soooo hard to look after, but soooo cute.... BAH!)
An can smell sooooooo bad!

I really like both, but I am allergic to dogs and cats. That's why I have three birds.

Rise up this morning,
smile with the rising sun
...


sorry :D

An can smell sooooooo bad!

Yeah, that too... not to mention all the diseases they're prone to, like cancers... and that grooming themselves can kill them (they can't cough up furballs, and if the furballs are too large they get stuck in the intestine and require surgery :eek: )

Plus you have to ferret-proof a room/your house... crazy ferrets and their urge to eat rubber/foam...

:D

Yeah, that too... not to mention all the diseases they're prone to, like cancers... and that grooming themselves can kill them (they can't cough up furballs, and if the furballs are too large they get stuck in the intestine and require surgery :eek:)

Plus you have to ferret-proof a room/your house... crazy ferrets and their urge to eat rubber/foam...

:D
Stick with fish.

I have a cat that behaves like a well trained dog.

That, in my opinion, makes him the best of both worlds, if a bit weird!

:)

Stick with fish.
My fish ate each other, and my dog got run over and lost his leg, and my hampster died. Is there somthing I'm missing?

Dogs and cats are very different, and ethologists (animal behavioralists) really can't determine which species is more intelligent. Arguing which is more intelligent is silly.

Dog: I've got to learn to do this and that because the creature that feeds me wants me to. And if I don't he won't feed me and I'll starve, after all he is the pack leader.
Cat: So you want me to do this and that? Or you won't feed me? So I don't do it and still get fed, or I don't do it don't get fed and sod off and survive very easily without you thank you very much.

So the dog is most intilligent?

Don't see wild dogs setting traps for prey like lions.

So if you train by depravation or reward a child to do a task you want it to do that makes it more clever than the child that refuses to be trained?

I wouldn't sell wild dogs short so quickly. Packs of wolves are capable of bringing down healthly, full-sized moose. I don't know if you ever seen a real-live moose, but I have and I haven gotten the impression they're not easy to bring down. I'd imagine it would take intelligence and cooperation to take down such an animal without getting killed in the process. Of course, wolves will usually play it safe and prey on the sick and weak, but then again so do most lions. Why put oneself in more danger than necessary just to survive if one doesn't have to.

Point to something. A dog will look at what you're pointing at. A cat will look at the tip of your finger.

What is that supposed to prove? I've had BOTH cats and dogs stare at me if I point to something. Frankly, I think they do that because they could give a rat's ass about what you're pointing at. Therefore, they look breifly in the general direction you're pointing, and then turn around and stare at you thinking, "Yeah, what's so special about that thing you're pointing at dumbass?"
:D

I don't know about that! I once had a cat that used to sleep in the litter box and do #1 and #2 in what was supposed to be his bed.

That's pretty unusual from my experience and what I've heard!

You said more about that cat...and I HAVE heard of animals that have had what seems like serious mental problems. My parents even had a cat like that once, years before I was born. That could be what happened with that cat; you never know.

I have good proof cats can be trained, let me set the scene...

We have a cat, (see, scene set wonderfully), we have some chestnutty things all bubbling in sugar, we go out, cat falls in sugar and cyrstalises all over looks like a spiky black ball... and never does it again, it lived another 15 years. see 15 years and it never made the same mistake twice. :D

Cats rule, dogs are losers.

I am a cat person, in the greatest sense of the word, I love cats, I once thought I was a cat, I study and observe cats and dogs and have come to the conclusion that cats are far better, and they just look better, they dont go around with there tongue hanging out, they dont pee on everything, they dont have that blank look in there eyes, and cats just are more attractive beasts in general.

LEGALISE CAT HUNTING!!!!
:sniper:

I prefer Dogs as pets, but I respect the Cats,
would never do anything to harm them, I feed
a stray cat at work, she lives on the grounds
other people feed her too, she has become
the companys mascot.

I feel birds like Parakeets, and others should live
free in nature as they were ment to be, not in
peolples home in cages, the same for fish
not in tanks at home, dont like that.

I used to work at a Mall in Miami Fl, Broward County actually,
I used to feed the little birds that would visit the court yard pool,
I used to buy 2 orders of french fries one for me and one for them,
I would throw it on the grass or in the pool, and they would take it
from the grass and dip it in the pool to eat softer.

I am not an animal rights fanatic, but I do respect these animals
and a few others like little squirels.

I agree about cages and tanks. What really creeped me out even worse were these fish I saw at Wal-Mart that come in something like a butter tub with a slot in the top for air and food. Apparently they're supposed to stay in that tub. This tub was hardly big enough for the poor thing to move around in. I mean, I'm no PETA activist or whatever, but that made me want to cry. At least in the bigger tank they CAN swim laps. These poor fish couldn't go anywhere. I just can't understand why anybody would think that was a humane thing to do, at all.

So... either they're so stupid that they can't pick up on arsehole vibes (tm), or... what? They don't care?

So your message is "Horrible, evil, sickening people can be happy: dogs are too stupid to dislike them!"

Cats can judge character. If you're an arsehole, they'll hate you. And rightfully so. You're an arsehole. You don't DESERVE unconditional love.

And only a dog would be fool enough to give it to you. You should stop being a jerk, become a better person, and then buy a cat (because that way you'll only get the love if you deserve it).

Really?wow,I think the exact same thing about Jesus.
We are constantly told that "Jesus loves you"
-No matter who you are or what you have done,he will not judge you-rapists,murderers,paedophiles,evil dictators,Jesus LOVES you and wants to save you.
Dogs are Jesus in animal form.

Cats are EVIL I tells ya!-

http://www.geocities.com/movie_review_uk/cats_dogs1.jpg

Really?wow,I think the exact same thing about Jesus.
We are constantly told that "Jesus loves you"
-No matter who you are or what you have done,he will not judge you-rapists,murderers,paedophiles,evil dictators,Jesus LOVES you and wants to save you.
Dogs are Jesus in animal form.

"Dog" spelled backwards is "God", but "Jesus" spelled backwards is "susej".

...for what it's worth. :D

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I say dogs are better than cats.

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I usually like both equally depending on the animal, but as of now I like my cat best and my moms dog least, my cat is a brat, she sits on my books and licks the ink off my school work when Im studying, she runs downstairs and plays starving cat whenever she hears the fridge open, and she seems to think my bum is a personal hammock, but she makes it all look so darn cute!

Cats are EVIL I tells ya!-

http://www.geocities.com/movie_review_uk/cats_dogs1.jpg
Look at this-cats are hell-bent on world domination.

I don't hate cats, but I don't like them either.

A dog isn't only a pet, it's a companion.

Brain size may be larger, but you know why? Because the animal is larger. A whale may have a brain bigger than your entire body combined, but when you take into consideration the actual body/brain RATIO it's apparent that brain size doesn't tell the whole story. The only practical comparison would be between a cat and a cat-sized dog... and even then, it matters more what is done *with* the brain, not just how large it is.

And cats can learn tricks, and if they make your house smell like piss, chances are you're being a lazy sod and a) not providing kitty litter of ai) not *changing* the kitty litter or b) not getting off your arse to let the cat out.

Unlike dogs, cats aren't moronic enough to sit around waiting for YOU to decide they can go out. If they want to piss and you don't let them, you can expect a yellow puddle on something you care about. It's not stupid, it's evil-genius-ness.

And dogs can't learn tricks? You know, the good thing about dogs is that they don't have to be indoor pets. I have a big female yellow lab who is perfectly content outside so you don't have to worry about a mess in the house. Cats, on the other hand, should probably be kept inside, unless they are a farm cat. Kitty litter is just a pain, when a pet does their business outside it is a lot more convinient than changing that nasty kitty litter all the time.

And dogs aren't "moronic", my dog waits at the door to be let out only because she doesn't have any thumbs to turn the doorknob with. She house-trained herself, she's smart not to go all over the house.

I love my dog! Dogs rule.

Cats are soo... well... evil

Haven't you ever read the journal of a cat compared to a journal of the dog?

Dog:
Everything is "woot! my favorite"

Cat:
Plots a way to get rid of his human masters.

I love my golden retriever, and she loves everyone else, EVEN the evil cat :gundge: :headbang: :sniper: :mp5:

I second the outside dog thing. I do not want an inside pet. I want a dog that is like me, i.e., he loves the outdoors. Thus, my dog is well known for his tendency to kill snakes, raccoons, mice, and to run cats up trees. He has never attacked a human, except for the instance where a friend of mine decided to pull his tail a little too hard. Even then, he didn't harm the kid. Scared the bejeezus out of him, but didn't hurt him.

I can't stand cats. They shed even worse than dogs. And they always seem to be so darn lazy. My dog keeps the critters and varmints out and away from our house much better than a cat. And then we have a little Maltese dog, who actually turned out to be an outside dog at heart too.

Cats. Grrr. We had a cat get run up a tree by Tuffy once. The poor cat got stuck, and after it had been in that tree for 3 days we decided to help it down. So we got out a BB gun and shot at it, until I hit it in the rear end and knocked it out of the tree. It landed in our pond, and I scooped it out with a net. That's about the nicest thing I'll do for a cat.

I'm more fond of dogs, but I can't stand those annoying little yapper type dogs. I don't particularly like dogs bred for appearance either; poodles and various breeds of terrier, among others, because I think they look utterly stupid. I generally prefer working dogs, like border collies, german shepherds, huskies, etc, that don't look as if they've been bred specifically to attach ribbons to.

I'm more fond of dogs, but I can't stand those annoying little yapper type dogs. I don't particularly like dogs bred for appearance either; poodles and various breeds of terrier, among others, because I think they look utterly stupid. I generally prefer working dogs, like border collies, german shepherds, huskies, etc, that don't look as if they've been bred specifically to attach ribbons to.

I've actually found those "little yapper" dogs have nasty, nasty tempers, and for the most part they tend to scare me more than larger dogs. While some larger dogs CAN scare me, I'm MORE frightened of the little ones. They seem to growl and snarl and nip at any (or no) provocation. YIKES. I recently had to ride in the same elevator with one. It didn't matter that the owner held that little pest firmly in her arms and claimed "he's actually very nice". I was still scared out of my wits and stayed on the other side of the elevator the whole time.

That dog had an evil stare, I swear.

WOW! This is the first time I've ever seen a poll on NS that was tied with so many votes!

I've actually found those "little yapper" dogs have nasty, nasty tempers, and for the most part they tend to scare me more than larger dogs. While some larger dogs CAN scare me, I'm MORE frightened of the little ones. They seem to growl and snarl and nip at any (or no) provocation. YIKES. I recently had to ride in the same elevator with one. It didn't matter that the owner held that little pest firmly in her arms and claimed "he's actually very nice". I was still scared out of my wits and stayed on the other side of the elevator the whole time.

That dog had an evil stare, I swear.


I loathe daschunds above all others. They tend to be particularly vicious, not to mention ugly, little varmints.

WOW! This is the first time I've ever seen a poll on NS that was tied with so many votes!
The ultimate controversy has been discovered!
(IC) I can't imagine why; cats are so clearly superior...
(This is a feline nation.)

I loathe daschunds above all others. They tend to be particularly vicious, not to mention ugly, little varmints.

Yes, my dachshund experiences have not been good, either. I've dealt with a Yorkie that was exceptionally nice to me, right down to sleeping in my lap--but she was very old, and also had been a mother (I do think that sometimes affects an animal's temperament, because then some of them want to mother anything with a pulse, just about, and I think that was true of this dog). Other Yorkies, however, have been nasty.

I've never had an unfriendly CAT behave to me in THAT way. Either the cat that doesn't want to associate with me will retreat, or will be a lot more tolerant than the dog.

I like both, but cats are my favorite. My cat is nuts though. If you start rubbing his stomach with your foot he'll grab it with his front paws then start biting and kicking with his back paws. He is Jiu Jitsu kittie.

Dogs are like Americans, Cats are like Europeans. Go figure.

Dogs are like Americans, Cats are like Europeans. Go figure.

They fetch sticks?

Any Americans here?
*throws stick*
FETCH!

My family has had labradors since I was born and always at least 2.
My sister learned to walk on a dog.
Can't do that on a cat.

They fetch sticks?

Any Americans here?
*throws stick*
FETCH!

*pees on your foot*

*pees on your foot*

Dalradia, it didn't work.
I think your hypothesis is incorrect.

Dogs are like Americans, Cats are like Europeans. Go figure.

Actually, it kinda makes sense...dogs, like many Americans, are loud, exuberant, excitable and just love anything "NEW" you can give to them.

Cats, on the other hand, abide by long traditions and habits that started when they were very tiny, and they do not want to break them. They are more reserved (though I know with Europeans AND cats that varies from person to person, even culture to culture...or "breed", in the case of cats) and don't react well to the exuberant, happy-go-lucky style as dogs.

Oh, and what's more...

When a dog is excited, it wags its tail. Which just angers the cats.
When a cat is happy, it purrs. Which just angers the dog.

And that sounds JUST like American/European communications sometimes--completely crossed signals! I'm NOT arguing who's right or wrong in this thread...but the two sides just can't seem to communicate.

Anyway, BACK to the subject of cats and dogs...I HAVE to ask, Brutanion, how does one "learn to walk on a dog"? ;-)