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Okay, so apparently America is all wrong here. You see, terrorists are not really mass murderers, they're just misunderstood, and we should feel sorry for them.

When they shoot children in the back it doesn't really matter, because America invaded Iraq(a dictatorship) and that's 20 times more wrong.

The only reason "terrorists" exist is because America and the JEWS have forced poor Muslims to resort to killing innocent people.

See, it's all relative here, there is no such thing as an "evil" act.

Okay, so now that that is out of the way. What is your fix?

Apparently, fighting Terror, by KILLING terrorists isn't the best way. Whenever Isreal kills a Hamas leader, everyone screams bloody murder. Whenever, the US blows up terrorists in Falluja, everyone screams bloody murder. (But when terrorists shoot kids in the back, or blow up Jews in a bus, no one cares. But thats besides the point)


How do we win? What can we do, that will make Terrorists(oh wait, i'm sorry, the "misunderstood") stop killing?


How do you stop Fundamentalism, when you refuse to take out the people spewing forth the hate? How do you stop Islamic Terror, when you allow Terror Supporting states to continue to exist?


And here's the big question. Do you honestly think, Islamic Terrorists, would just stop, if we left the Middle East? If we said, hey you're right. My bad?

Do you think the Palestinains would stop killing women and children, if Isreal gave them their own state?

Temporary solution
Aim our nuclear arsenal at populous cities in states that sponsor terrorism. Kill a few of us and we nuke a few million of you.

Permanent solution
Fund moderates in the muslim world. Reach out through construction of secular schools and moderate mosques. Do what the wahabis in saudi did, but do it to preach peace and prosperity rather than hate and murder.

The solution is simple. Kill everyone. All 6.3 billion of us.

No, they will not stop. It is in their heritage to fight others. It is not new, it was just dormant for a long period of time. Now the hate mongers are in positions of power and they are exercising that power to further spread their influence. Iran is a theocracy and the largest supporter of terrorism in the world.

How can a "peaceful" religion like Islam become so violent? Because it has been hijacked by those who do hate. It started in 1979 when Khomeni (sp) returned to Iran and led a revolt against the Shah. When it was over, everyone who worked for the government of the Shah was put on a death list and marked for execution. No trial, just a date with death. How do I know this? My brother-in-law is on that list to this day. He cannot return to Iran or he will be executed.

No, the only way to stop these people is to kill them before they can kill you.

1) Wow...no biast here whatsoever. Nope. Can't find a single shred of it.

2) Obviously there will be still be problems between Isreal and Palistine if they are two seperate countries. However-and maybe I'm just idealic about it-I do think they'll start to taper down.

3) How should the War on Terror be fought? First, one must-MUST- acknowledge that terror IS NOT A PERSON. It is NOT a country. It is a mindframe and a method of using shock tactics. You can't stop poverty just by killing all the poor people. You can't stop racism by killing all racists.

Secondly, one must see and understand why people turn towards terrorism. In some cases it's a religious thing. However, in every single one of those cases religion is taken to such an extreem that I have little to no problem referring to said hypothetical group as a cult. The problem there, is that children could easily be raised to believe what the cult leader wants them to believe. In that perspective you have a different war to fight altogether.

However, it's not always a religious problem. We'll use Isreal/Palistin as an example. One both sides you have rhetoric hatred being spewed. Do you honestly believe that Isrealies ONLY kill Hamas leaders? Much, MUCH more often, they kill the leader and EVERYONE around him. So, the Palistinians react by killing their civilians in retribution. In this case, terrorism is used by the Palistinians because they have NO OTHER MEANS of fighting back. Isreal is backed by the US-in other words, you don't attack Isreal. However, you have civilians seeing mass injustice occuring due to another country. They want revenge, and there's only one path to take. Because this conflict has been going on for some time, many people on both sides no longer see the other side as human.

4) On the cult: another said it best when he said to fund moderates and teach peace. None of that is currently happening. Attacking them will only make them hate MORE.

5) Actually, your entire post wasn't worth this long, thought out answer. YOU posted it in an obvious attempt to attack people personally. Common, I expect at least a LITTLE intellegent thought here.

Two Words:

Work Camps

Okay, so apparently America is all wrong here. You see, terrorists are not really mass murderers, they're just misunderstood, and we should feel sorry for them.

What most people agree is that terrorists, while still being wrong, may actually have a *reason* (whether it is valid or not is up for debate)

When they shoot children in the back it doesn't really matter, because America invaded Iraq(a dictatorship) and that's 20 times more wrong.

Who said this? The "liberal" media? The ones that gave 24 hour coverage to the Beslan siege? As far as I know, alot of suicide bombings that take place by "Islamic" terrorists are reported widely on the news.

If you have reasons to be against the Iraq war, are those suddenly negated because they don't mention entirely irrelevant points?

The only reason "terrorists" exist is because America and the JEWS have forced poor Muslims to resort to killing innocent people.

That's a twisted view of what's actually happening. Many Arabs (and Muslims) hold a grudge against what they see as America supporting an occupying power in Arab (and muslim...and christian...and jewish :)) land

See, it's all relative here, there is no such thing as an "evil" act.

Well, if you want to be precise, there is NO such thing as good or evil. It really is all relative ;)

Apparently, fighting Terror, by KILLING terrorists isn't the best way. Whenever Isreal kills a Hamas leader, everyone screams bloody murder. Whenever, the US blows up terrorists in Falluja, everyone screams bloody murder. (But when terrorists shoot kids in the back, or blow up Jews in a bus, no one cares. But thats besides the point)

Proof, anyone?

How do we win? What can we do, that will make Terrorists(oh wait, i'm sorry, the "misunderstood") stop killing?

Perhaps we can try and understand why they're so pissed off? Something bad must happen to actually drive people to killing themselves and others/

How do you stop Fundamentalism, when you refuse to take out the people spewing forth the hate? How do you stop Islamic Terror, when you allow Terror Supporting states to continue to exist?

Spewing forth hate? *cough* Falwell *cough* Muslims don't have a monopoly on fundamentalism, y'know. Addressing the root causes and perhaps stopping the support for "terrorist" states thats you previously support...

And here's the big question. Do you honestly think, Islamic Terrorists, would just stop, if we left the Middle East? If we said, hey you're right. My bad?

Yes, they probably would.

Do you think the Palestinains would stop killing women and children, if Isreal gave them their own state?

Well, that seems to be what they want.

Israel was going to let them have a state, but Arafat wanted the whole enchilada. The palestinians (not all of them, but their leadership and their militants and a large segment of the population) don't want peace, they want victory. Plus they already have a state. Jordan. Palestine was a _region_ inside Transjordan. It was never a nation of it's own. Palestinians are actually Jordanians.

Al Quada terrorists aren't killing westerners for legitimate political reasons. They want to weaken the west to create muslim theocracies across the entire world. You don't negotiate with such people. You simply kill them and educate others not to follow in their footsteps.

Diplomacy and love? Pot probably wouldn't hurt either..

The solution is simple. Kill everyone. All 6.3 billion of us.
Thats what I was gunna go for.

Wow. Very interesting points brought up here. I do agree, I don't think we're doing the right thing to stop terrorists at all. But you know why we're killing people that killed others? Because it's the "easy" answer. It's quick, not too thought out, and wrong. I mean I don't really know what we should do, but the first thing is trying to find a way for people to calm down so that then different people can negotiate reasonably. Would Palestinians stop killing if they got their land back? Well quite frankly I think they're killing because they have so much pent up anger toward the Isralies. So now I don't think that would be true just because there is too much anger, but I do think it would ceartianly help the situation. I just pick this example because my family is Palestinian and was run out of the country due to the ongoing war. Overall, I don't believe anyone is a terrorist. I believe that some people or groups of people are more angry and hurt or are taught to be angry and hurt than anything else. This terrorist thing is a big knot that just keeps getting bigger.
By the way, I thought that comment on how the solution was just to kill all 6.3 billion of us was hilarious! Mostly because that seems to be what we're headed toward anyway.

Another thing, I love what some people are saying on here, but I will have to disagree with this one:
Israel was going to let them have a state, but Arafat wanted the whole enchilada. The palestinians (not all of them, but their leadership and their militants and a large segment of the population) don't want peace, they want victory. Plus they already have a state. Jordan. Palestine was a _region_ inside Transjordan. It was never a nation of it's own. Palestinians are actually Jordanians.
Palestine was Isreal. But when Jews starting coming (mainly Jews) they eventually overpopulated and took over some how. Now I don't have a problem with Jews or this fact in general, just stating a fact. But Palestinians are now considered Jordianians, but they did in fact once have a Palestine. As for the statement that they don't want peace but victory, I see the point, but I believe they want both. Yes, they would like to win, but who doesn't? It's like when a person repeadly does things you don't like, i.e. take something of yours without asking or giving it back. Who wouldn't be bitter about that? And also, Palestinians do make up a fair amout of Jordan, but I doubt they think of it as their state. The problem is is that for the most part Palestinians can be a little too stubborn. And before any Palestinians can jump on me for saying that, I'm one too. :)

Another thing, I love what some people are saying on here, but I will have to disagree with this one:

Palestine was Isreal. But when Jews starting coming (mainly Jews) they eventually overpopulated and took over some how. Now I don't have a problem with Jews or this fact in general, just stating a fact. But Palestinians are now considered Jordianians, but they did in fact once have a Palestine. As for the statement that they don't want peace but victory, I see the point, but I believe they want both. Yes, they would like to win, but who doesn't? It's like when a person repeadly does things you don't like, i.e. take something of yours without asking or giving it back. Who wouldn't be bitter about that? And also, Palestinians do make up a fair amout of Jordan, but I doubt they think of it as their state. The problem is is that for the most part Palestinians can be a little too stubborn. And before any Palestinians can jump on me for saying that, I'm one too. :)
Israel was given to jews to ensure that they had a homeland. No one wanted to take jewish refugees in the beginning of the Nazification if Germany. Palestine was never a nation. It was a region in Transjordan, which later became jordan. Israel is entitled to exist. A huge number of "Palestinians" deny that. They want it all, and they want to punish the Jews.

Simple solution we have to go into these countries like Hitler or Stalin, if anyone resists you kill the resister and 100 other people to make examples. If you get a situation like Fallujah or Naraf with the militants rallying around a single radical you give the people of the town a simple choice "strike him down and his followers immediately because if we have to go in there we will completely destroy the town." If they don't solve the problem on there own the town ceases to exist.

Once you show a people once or twice your capable of causing mass destruction and won't hesitate to use it they will back down. Fear is the most prominent weapon to keep control of a population before you can socially condition the youth to agree with your cause.

Okay, so apparently America is all wrong here. You see, terrorists are not really mass murderers, they're just misunderstood, and we should feel sorry for them.

When they shoot children in the back it doesn't really matter, because America invaded Iraq(a dictatorship) and that's 20 times more wrong.

The only reason "terrorists" exist is because America and the JEWS have forced poor Muslims to resort to killing innocent people.

See, it's all relative here, there is no such thing as an "evil" act.

Okay, so now that that is out of the way. What is your fix?

Apparently, fighting Terror, by KILLING terrorists isn't the best way. Whenever Isreal kills a Hamas leader, everyone screams bloody murder. Whenever, the US blows up terrorists in Falluja, everyone screams bloody murder. (But when terrorists shoot kids in the back, or blow up Jews in a bus, no one cares. But thats besides the point)


How do we win? What can we do, that will make Terrorists(oh wait, i'm sorry, the "misunderstood") stop killing?


How do you stop Fundamentalism, when you refuse to take out the people spewing forth the hate? How do you stop Islamic Terror, when you allow Terror Supporting states to continue to exist?


And here's the big question. Do you honestly think, Islamic Terrorists, would just stop, if we left the Middle East? If we said, hey you're right. My bad?

Do you think the Palestinains would stop killing women and children, if Isreal gave them their own state?

By actually killing terrorists, as opposed to secular nations and just random people?

#1 Withdraw the US military from all foreign countries, and fire most of it.
#2 Fire, or at least neuter the CIA and NSA
#3 End all foreign aid.
#4 Withdraw from the UN
#5 End so-called "free trade" agreements, in favor of actual free trade
#6 Dismantle the World Bank, the IMF, and Federal Reserve

These apply only to the US. If Russia wants to end terrorism it can let Chechnya go.

#1 Withdraw the US military from all foreign countries, and fire most of it.
#2 Fire, or at least neuter the CIA and NSA
#3 End all foreign aid.
#4 Withdraw from the UN
#5 End so-called "free trade" agreements, in favor of actual free trade
#6 Dismantle the World Bank, the IMF, and Federal Reserve

These apply only to the US. If Russia wants to end terrorism it can let Chechnya go.

#1 Would invite more terrorist attacks as it will be seen as a sign of weakness.
#2 Ditto
#3 Agreed
#4 Agreed
#5 Tarrifs should be increased and taxes reduced.
#6 Agreed

How can a "peaceful" religion like Islam become so violent? Because it has been hijacked by those who do hate. It started in 1979 when Khomeni (sp) returned to Iran and led a revolt against the Shah. When it was over, everyone who worked for the government of the Shah was put on a death list and marked for execution. No trial, just a date with death. How do I know this? My brother-in-law is on that list to this day. He cannot return to Iran or he will be executed.

No, the only way to stop these people is to kill them before they can kill you.
Thanks for that info. I agree with you that hatemongers have gained positions of power.

However, for your last statement all I can say is *cough* Republican Republican Republican *cough*. ;)

You see, terrorists are not really mass murderers, they're just misunderstood, and we should feel sorry for them.

When they shoot children in the back it doesn't really matter

The only reason "terrorists" exist is because America and the JEWS have forced poor Muslims to resort to killing innocent people.
You have strange beliefs. Are you a Nazi?

Thanks for that info. I agree with you that hatemongers have gained positions of power.

However, for your last statement all I can say is *cough* Republican Republican Republican *cough*. ;)

Well, since the terrorists want to die and take you with them, the only way to really stop them is to have them die without taking you with them. Then they get to "paradise" and can only look in and see what they missed out on. :D

Well, since the terrorists want to die and take you with them, the only way to really stop them is to have them die without taking you with them. Then they get to "paradise" and can only look in and see what they missed out on. :D

Only, then all the people around him see that he died for his cause, and they're told that he went to heaven...

Like I said before, the problem here is that it's more then just terrorism-it's a cult. And how do you permenantly stop a cult?

Okay, so apparently America is all wrong here. You see, terrorists are not really mass murderers, they're just misunderstood, and we should feel sorry for them.

When they shoot children in the back it doesn't really matter, because America invaded Iraq(a dictatorship) and that's 20 times more wrong.

The only reason "terrorists" exist is because America and the JEWS have forced poor Muslims to resort to killing innocent people.

See, it's all relative here, there is no such thing as an "evil" act.


oh, I see your problem - the media isn't Islamophobic enough for you. :rolleyes:

Only, then all the people around him see that he died for his cause, and they're told that he went to heaven...

Like I said before, the problem here is that it's more then just terrorism-it's a cult. And how do you permenantly stop a cult?

I don't think you can. They eventually wake up or they are killed off. We will be defending ourselves for many years to come. By taking the fight to them we keep them fighting somewhere else than here.

Kill them ALL, every single on of them and anyone who tries to stop us.

#1 Withdraw the US military from all foreign countries, and fire most of it.
#2 Fire, or at least neuter the CIA and NSA
#3 End all foreign aid.
#4 Withdraw from the UN
#5 End so-called "free trade" agreements, in favor of actual free trade
#6 Dismantle the World Bank, the IMF, and Federal Reserve

These apply only to the US. If Russia wants to end terrorism it can let Chechnya go.

1 Bring them back to USA but don't fire them because we need a big army.
2 No we need them to protect us.
3 Wonderful idea
4 Even better than wonderful idea
5 Not sure
6 Great idea

Kill them ALL, every single on of them and anyone who tries to stop us.

Someone already suggested that.

The solution is simple. Kill everyone. All 6.3 billion of us.

Permanent solution
Fund moderates in the muslim world. Reach out through construction of secular schools and moderate mosques. Do what the wahabis in saudi did, but do it to preach peace and prosperity rather than hate and murder.

Isn't that what USA has tried to do before, but maybe they just picked the wrong "moderates".

The only permanant solution is to stop the differencies in the world, but who would fund that?

Isn't that what USA has tried to do before, but maybe they just picked the wrong "moderates".

The only permanant solution is to stop the differencies in the world, but who would fund that?
In that case just nuke em. Nuke em all. Fuck it, I don't live there.