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It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

So skateboards are not only cool, but they're patriotic!

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

Kerry owns some of those....no wait....it is his FAMILY that owns them, he does not. Did i get that clear enough? ;)

Kerry owns some of those....no wait....it is his FAMILY that owns them, he does not. Did i get that clear enough? ;)
Kerry isn't perfect. No presidential candidate in this day and age is. Still, he's not in bed with as many oil interests as Bush.

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

I do agree with you here to a point. It just depends on what your definition of a SUV is, is. I know jeep cherokees and other mid size suv's get better gas mileage than most sports cars and trucks. So are people that drive around with old classic cars and mustangs corvettes all unpatriotic. People that drive in toyota 4 bangers but with large tires so they get 10 mpg unpatriotic? I dont know this would be a very complex issue to deal with.

So, since I do not drive at all, then I must be the ultimate patriot, right?

Extend the CAFE standards to light trucks. That would drastically cut our dependance on foreign oil.

this is silly.

we buy the vast majority of our oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

SUV oil consuption is a tiny fraction of the overall vehicle oil consumption which is only a small part of overall oil consumption

In any case, it isnt oil thats the problem, its gasoline. We havent built a refinery in over 30 years because of the tree huggers.

i will dig out the article when i get a chance.

want to be patriotic? go beat up a member of greenpeace.

want to be patriotic? go beat up a member of greenpeace.

But they are so cute and cuddly!

shoot them, and throw them on the grill.

:sniper:

this is silly.

we buy the vast majority of our oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

SUV oil consuption is a tiny fraction of the overall vehicle oil consumption which is only a small part of overall oil consumption

In any case, it isnt oil thats the problem, its gasoline. We havent built a refinery in over 30 years because of the tree huggers.

i will dig out the article when i get a chance.

want to be patriotic? go beat up a member of greenpeace.
First of all, Fuck Greenpeace. Secondly, most major gas station chains buy saudi oil to refine it into gasoline. The price hike is in part due to stagnant refinery capacity, but also due to increased consumption in the USA and China.

The entire west coast gets the majority of their oil from venezuela... it just so happens that an oil strike was going on in Venezuela at the EXACT time that we declared war on terrorism.

Everyone needs to stop being dumb.

Besides, everyone needs the exercise, so just ride your bikes around! Yay!



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It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

Said this before, will say it again.. it is impossible for a person living in a 1st world country to survive without oil.

Said this before, will say it again.. it is impossible for a person living in a 1st world country to survive without oil.
True, but it's possible, and prudent to reduce dependance on it.

Is there anyone in the US who think global?
It is true that SUV are bad, but not because they are unpatriotic.

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

SNOREEEEEEEEEEE

Hmph so much for being a free people.

Shouldn't you blame the auto manufactors for building them if you are going to use the "patriotic" argument.

Shouldn't you call everbody unpatriotic since most would rather drive then use mass transport?

Sorry don't buy it.....

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

You know, one of my biggest pet peeves is people going around saying the littlest things are "un-American", "unpatriotic" or "treasonous". When someone says something like that, they absolutely cease to be credible in my eyes, no matter the political affiliation.

So skateboards are not only cool, but they're patriotic!

Given that I can get to where I want to go by walking, I'll be a bit less patriotic then. :p

So, since I do not drive at all, then I must be the ultimate patriot, right?

Either that, or you broke traffic laws and got your license suspended.

True, but it's possible, and prudent to reduce dependance on it.

Elimination of the SUV would only be a tiny drop in consumption.

You are assuming people would go to Saturns and what not as an alternative.

Most likely they would switch to trucks and minivans so the gas savings would not be that great.....

Lets all learn how to walk, or at least ride a horse. No more oil consumption.

:headbang:

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

You can have my SUV when you pry it's steering wheel from my cold, dead, bloated hands. :gundge:

Lets all learn how to walk, or at least ride a horse. No more oil consumption.

:headbang:

and not use plastics, asphalt, cosmetics, synthetic rubber, etc...

b4 aiming SUV, keep in mind that army vehicles consume more ..... :rolleyes:

Elimination of the SUV would only be a tiny drop in consumption.

You are assuming people would go to Saturns and what not as an alternative.

Most likely they would switch to trucks and minivans so the gas savings would not be that great.....

Right you are!

Find me a vehicle that will fit three car seats in it and get good gas mileage. Even a Saturn SUV gets around 20MPG downhill on the interstate.

IMHO there's too much oil in the world. I'm just trying doing my part by burning it up as quickly as possible. The sooner we rid the world of oil, the sooner my vasoline powered engine makes me a billionaire!

Said this before, will say it again.. it is impossible for a person living in a 1st world country to survive without oil.

It is however becoming more possible.... there are alternative fuels being developed, and before you mention it...the University of Alberta (in Canada) has developed plastics made from canola oil instead of petroleum. Nonetheless, I doubt that we will wean ourselves from oil until it becomes absolutely critical...simply because we are so used to it and resist change, and because the oil lobby is still incredibly powerful. Fair? No. The "first world" produces more waste per capita than the "third world" and North America alone accounts for the largest percentage of oil consumption, despite only containing a fraction of the world's population. Time to stop being gluttons.

A company called Changing World Technologies has invented a very efficient process for turning any organic waste (paper, meat scraps, food waste, even sewage) into oil and natural gas. Let's subsidize construction of oil production plants here in the US and cut our consumption so we can stop buying it overseas. It would cut funding to terrorists, and help the trade deficit.

By the way, I live in a rural area (and pretty much need to drive to get anywhere), but once a decent electric or vegetable oil-run car is produced, I'll get one. Also, our house is heated by geothermal (free heat from the earth) energy, and we are slowly switching to solar power to get off the grid. It's actually been cheaper to do this than continue to pay skyrocketing energy prices (thanks derugulation, you've pushed me green).

want to be patriotic? go beat up a member of greenpeace.

Oh yes, the best way to show your love of country is to beat up people who you don't agree with! Right on!

A company called Changing World Technologies has invented a very efficient process for turning any organic waste (paper, meat scraps, food waste, even sewage) into oil and natural gas.

How?

(thanks derugulation, you've pushed me green).

This is a good point - the government should stop keeping prices artificially low

A company called Changing World Technologies has invented a very efficient process for turning any organic waste (paper, meat scraps, food waste, even sewage) into oil and natural gas. Let's subsidize construction of oil production plants here in the US and cut our consumption so we can stop buying it overseas. It would cut funding to terrorists, and help the trade deficit.

It's called biomass energy and they didn't actually invent it...they may have patented a process to make it more efficient, but you can do it with a plastic bucket and a homemade methane gas collector (like a balloon). It's nice to see that more companies are taking this seriously though.

Oh yes, the best way to show your love of country is to beat up people who you don't agree with! Right on!

:headbang:

Finally, someone who hasn't got their head stuck up their own backside.
Do any of you realise how goddam stupid you all sound? It seems if you do anything in the US, you become unpatriotic by default.

It's an unpatriotic act bordering on treason to buy a vehicle that uses that much fuel if you don't need it. Less demand for oil means less money going to states that fund terrorism. Also less demand for oil means it becomes less of a national security issue and we don't need to use our troops to defend the oil supply.

Hemp products would be an excellent start.
You know, one of my biggest pet peeves is people going around saying the littlest things are "un-American", "unpatriotic" or "treasonous". When someone says something like that, they absolutely cease to be credible in my eyes, no matter the political affiliation.

Good point though.


A company called Changing World Technologies has invented a very efficient process for turning any organic waste (paper, meat scraps, food waste, even sewage) into oil and natural gas. Let's subsidize construction of oil production plants here in the US and cut our consumption so we can stop buying it overseas. It would cut funding to terrorists, and help the trade deficit.

Rarely do I agree with anything you say, Joey P. But this is as close to it as it comes.

How?
www.changingworldtech.com/techfr.htm

I appologize to all who were offended by the "treason" and "unpatriotic" comments. I used them to get attention to this thread because I think we really do need to cut our dependance on foreign oil.

First of all, Fuck Greenpeace. Secondly, most major gas station chains buy saudi oil to refine it into gasoline. The price hike is in part due to stagnant refinery capacity, but also due to increased consumption in the USA and China.

dont forget india

www.changingworldtech.com/techfr.htm


From the site:

"Our process does not make the petroleum industry obsolete. On the contrary, it accesses and utilizes the petroleum infrastructure."

dont forget india
One billion plus people, the best science university in the world (india istitute of technology), and a booming high tech industry. Who could forget India?

From the site:

"Our process does not make the petroleum industry obsolete. On the contrary, it accesses and utilizes the petroleum infrastructure."
Right, the refinery and distribution infrastructure. The production is done at home though.

SNOREEEEEEEEEEE

Hmph so much for being a free people.

Shouldn't you blame the auto manufactors for building them if you are going to use the "patriotic" argument.

Shouldn't you call everbody unpatriotic since most would rather drive then use mass transport?

Sorry don't buy it.....

dont forget to include people who own stock in auto companies that make suvs. Or their employees for that matter

You can have my SUV when you pry it's steering wheel from my cold, dead, bloated hands. :gundge:

You mean after we pry your cold, dead, bloated hands off of the steering wheel after your SUV flips over and explodes.

:headbang:

Finally, someone who hasn't got their head stuck up their own backside.
Do any of you realise how goddam stupid you all sound? It seems if you do anything in the US, you become unpatriotic by default.


:headbang:

Damn, we are not all like that!

Some of us have functioning brain matter.

Oh yes, the best way to show your love of country is to beat up people who you don't agree with! Right on!

When they get in the way of me owning and cost effectively operating a vehicle that gets 2 1/2 mpg they better watch out.

How?

They werent the first, but they were the first to be able to do it with a net energy gain.

You mean after we pry your cold, dead, bloated hands off of the steering wheel after your SUV flips over and explodes.

I don't drive a Ford ;)

Seriously, the idea here is, give me something as good as or better than what I have, or what all of us "unpatriotic Americans" have, and you will get your wish for a "greener" planet.

Most Americans do the best they can with what they have before them. With 3 kids under 5 it is not a walk in the park to fit 3 car seats and 2 adults in a Toyota Prius.

One billion plus people, the best science university in the world (india istitute of technology), and a booming high tech industry. Who could forget India?

I cant, Im Indian

I don't drive a Ford ;)


Most Americans do the best they can with what they have before them. With 3 kids under 5 it is not a walk in the park to fit 3 car seats and 2 adults in a Toyota Prius.

ah, another minivan masquerading as an SUV

I totally believe that we will see the oil situation go critical in my lifetime and I'm just shy of 30 right now. The whole "unpatriotic" thing is a big bunch of garbage. It's designed to make stupid people feel good about themselves for not thinking and being big dorks. It's not just SUV's or autos, it's MANY factors all together pushing this situation to the crisis point. We need to reduce dependance on oil, period. There should be encouragement to develop alternate energy and materials sources, both on a large (corporate) and small (personal) scale. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that the information regarding these technologies are being subtly supressed by...someone. Oil interests, mainstream media, politicians... I'm not a huge theorist, just know what I feel on this one. Yes I'm not well versed in all the details, but I just call it how I see it.

ah, another minivan masquerading as an SUV

I bought my SUV 8 years ago. It is a Honda Passport. It was actually a station wagon in disguise. If I went out and bought a new car right now, it probably would be a minivan.

You think people owning SUVs would want us to have alternate energy. There is only so much ol in the world and if demand goes down then so does the price. They have to pay the biggest premium. If I use no or little gas why the hell would I care if we run out?

If I use no or little gas why the hell would I care if we run out?

I suppose food gets to your grocer by magic

I suppose food gets to your grocer by magic
I presume that the company will find an alternate way to get food there.


I suppose you can also propose something that is supposed the destroy what I proposed for any proposal.

That really doesnt actually affect the argument. People who drive SUVs should be the most concerned about the future of oil.