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Alomogordo
27-11-2004, 21:48
Isnt america made up of 99%people who ARE NOT from the americas.
Technically this is true, but this is another great thing about America: the biggest melting pot in the world!
Carterway
27-11-2004, 22:12
No, we didn't invent it. I believe the UK did. We just overuse to death...

Actually, I kinda thought the genre was started with "Big Brother" - developed by John de Mol of the Netherlands back in 1999... So you can't blame this on America - or the UK for that matter. :-D

On the other hand, did we REALLY have to run with the concept so much?

(...goes to check out the Canadian immigration website...) :-D
Oceandrift
27-11-2004, 22:18
But however good/crap the american education system is, ours in Britain still isnt really that great. Before all you fellow brits run away with rampant patriotism, we can learn a lot from the rest of europe.
Haken Rider
27-11-2004, 22:32
Didn't American Indians get there over a land corridor that was supposed to have existed a while ago? Between Russia and Alaska, or somewhere like that?

Humankind spred from the Middle East. If you think like that, we are all Africans.
Burtoniaa
27-11-2004, 22:43
Internet sure is an invention to be proud of...
The jeep was invented by nazi germany, railroad by the british, a Russian who lived in America invented the telly, Germans discovered the power behind nuclear fission, without that nuclear power would still be a fairly tale, Hitler was the first who made a live broadcast during the 1936 Olympic games...

I thought it was logi baird, a scotsman who invented the first television, or am i wrong plese correct me if so :D
Burtoniaa
27-11-2004, 22:50
31. Americans invented the telephone

What nationality was Alexander Graham Bell?
(said without trying to sound bigheaded) i thought an Italian actually invented it but Alexander Graham Bell just stole it and patented it first :D
Nordfjord
27-11-2004, 22:51
The first real "nation" was founded in Mesopotamia, but the first humans were from today's South Africa.

I can think of a 100 reasons why America's cool (and I'm not American, I've just lived in Houston for three years). However, the rampant ignorance is a big problem, a disgrace, and a threat to the nation in general.

36. Americans invented the private automobile
No. Ford invented the mass production system for automobiles, but the car itself is a German invention.

35. Americans invented the helicopter
No, da Vinci did.

33. Americans invented the first personal computer.
Nope.

32. Americans invented the semi-automatic handgun and the revolver - the most efficient personal self-defense weapons known to man.
:rolleyes: No, the most efficient self-defense weapon is the atomic bomb. Keeps burglars away forever! :D
...sigh... Another gun nut...

2. Americans saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets.
...not again... :rolleyes: Yes, the USA fought the war in Europe to free a continent other than its own, while Russia did not. But saying they "saved" us.

1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.
Two towrds... Patriot Act. :rolleyes: Freedom and democracy? Many nations passed basic things like universal suffrage, slavery abolition, etc. long before the USA. And that whole post is complete bullshit as Germans, Japanese, etc. value freedom as much as Americans. Natural/innate/god-given? Don't make me laugh :mad: . Freedom isn't free.

Oh, and "the only country to be founded on the idea of freedom/democracy? From the top of my head, I can think of Liberia, the Apache Nation, Norway, Taiwan... :rolleyes: And I'm sure that if I go on, I'll get to a number of 90%+ of the world's countries... :mad:

The USA rules, but that list.. doesn't. Plain and simple. One of the main reasons people dislike America is that the State seems to go out of its way to make the kids so goddamned ignorant. Sad thing, they even happen to succeed sometimes... :(
Alomogordo
27-11-2004, 23:54
The USA rules, but that list.. doesn't. Plain and simple. One of the main reasons people dislike America is that the State seems to go out of its way to make the kids so goddamned ignorant. Sad thing, they even happen to succeed sometimes... :(

Sadly, as an American, I have to agree with you. Most of us really are nice people! :)
I V Stalin
28-11-2004, 00:25
Take out everything in the list that was invented/discovered by non-Americans working in America.
Then take out everything in the list invented/discovered by non-Americans.
Then take out everything that hasn't actually furthered the development of mankind.
What are you left with?
Jackshit.
New York and Jersey
28-11-2004, 22:32
Take out everything in the list that was invented/discovered by non-Americans working in America.
Then take out everything in the list invented/discovered by non-Americans.
Then take out everything that hasn't actually furthered the development of mankind.
What are you left with?
Jackshit.

You see the good thing about America is..we welcome immigrants..so those non-Americans working in America became Americans at some point. Before or after they invented what they did while in America.

And also a lot of things in the US were developed that helped the furtherment of mankind..or are we ignoring the fact the method to mass produce penicilin was developed in US labrotories and better methods for withhdrawing blood which lasts longer and save more lives? Or the proliferation of the internet which itself has led to us having this minor exchange of thoughts.Or better yet the electrical distribution which powers your computer? How about advancements in studying underwater habitats or was the Alvin submarine created by someone else? But hey..it all must be jackshit right?

You folks astound me..you know nothing of my countries technological history and yet you still try and bash it as having invented nothing..why dont you go do some research before talking out of your ass.
Grays Hill
28-11-2004, 22:52
Television, rubber, railroad, the first steamboat, submarine weren't invented by Americans!! Who wrote and posted this bullshit?!!

the Steamboat and the submarine were invented by the Americand. They were used in the US Civil war.
Drangonsile2
29-11-2004, 00:03
the Steamboat and the submarine were invented by the Americand. They were used in the US Civil war.

THe civil war was along time ago THEY HAD NO SUBMARINES!!!
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 00:08
THe civil war was along time ago THEY HAD NO SUBMARINES!!!
Subs were invented pre-civil war by a european. I think he's referring to the iron boats, which sat low in the water
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 00:09
You see the good thing about America is..we welcome immigrants..so those non-Americans working in America became Americans at some point. Before or after they invented what they did while in America.

Welcome immigrants...hmmm

*submits to full cavity search at airport because photo didn't quite look like the owner*
Takuma
29-11-2004, 00:18
To date, nuclear and solar power are the two cleanest ways to produce energy.

Okay, I'll agree with Solar power, but Nuclear? What are you smoking!?

Nuclear power is, unless an accident like Chernobyl occurs, one of the cleanest and most efficient forms of energy. One Uranium-234 pellet can last about 20 years, and during that time produce enormous amounts of power. Yes, the risk is great, but that's what safety devices are for. (BTW, Chernobyl occured because thoes safety devices were intentionally turned off.)

Edit for comparison: A pellet of coal the same size would last about 2 seconds.
Takuma
29-11-2004, 00:20
What nationality was Alexander Graham Bell?
(said without trying to sound bigheaded) i thought an Italian actually invented it but Alexander Graham Bell just stole it and patented it first :D

He was Scotish, lived in Canada while developing it and pattented it in the US.
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 00:27
Nuclear power is, unless an accident like Chernobyl occurs, one of the cleanest and most efficient forms of energy. One Uranium-234 pellet can last about 20 years, and during that time produce enormous amounts of power. Yes, the risk is great, but that's what safety devices are for. (BTW, Chernobyl occured because thoes safety devices were intentionally turned off.)

Edit for comparison: A pellet of coal the same size would last about 2 seconds.
They use U-235 (possible typo on your part, so moot point if so). And at the rate fuel rods are burned out at my local nuclear power plant, I doubt you claim of 20 years. In theory, maybe, but in practice?

However, I agree with the efficient and clean statement. Considering the power from one windmill will only power 2 1kW electric fires, and solar power is quite pants at the minute, nuclear power is the way forward for the next 100 years or so. Personally, I think we need a way of launching all the used-up debris into space
Takuma
29-11-2004, 00:31
They use U-235 (possible typo on your part, so moot point if so). And at the rate fuel rods are burned out at my local nuclear power plant, I doubt you claim of 20 years. In theory, maybe, but in practice?

However, I agree with the efficient and clean statement. Considering the power from one windmill will only power 2 1kW electric fires, and solar power is quite pants at the minute, nuclear power is the way forward for the next 100 years or so. Personally, I think we need a way of launching all the used-up debris into space

Yea my bad on the U-235, I just noticed it now. 20 years it in theory, and has been acieved, but it's usually around 10 years, but the point was to compare it to coal/oil/etc.
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 00:37
37 reasons why America is cool


37. Americans invented the Internet
36. Americans invented the private automobile - German did it.
35. Americans invented the helicopter - Russian did it
34. Americans got a man on the moon. - With help from Canadian scientists after the US pressured Canada to cancle to Avro Arrow program.
33. Americans invented the first personal computer.
32. Americans invented the semi-automatic handgun and the revolver - the most efficient personal self-defense weapons known to man. - Semi-Auto was an Italian man, the revolver was an American though
31. Americans invented the telephone
30. Americans invented the lightbulb.
29. Americans invented the television
28.Americans launched the first private spacecraft
27.Americans invented rubber - Technicly, the native peoples of the tropical areas who live with the Rubber Tree, discovered it, then the French and British used it.
26.Americans invented the railroad. A Brit did it actually.
25.Americans invented the first steamboat. Again, a Brit.
24 Americans invented the Submarine
23. Americans invented the phonograph - the first sound recording machine.
22. Americans invented Jazz.
21. Americans invented Rock'n'Roll
20.Americans invented Rap
19. Americans invented voiced cinema
18. Americans invented color cinema - I believe that was a Frenchman.
17. Americans invented cinema in general (Lumiere just developed a cheaper process) - I believe that was also an Italian.
16. Americans invented the jeep.
15.Americans invented Coca-Cola, starting the whole idea of a soft drink industry. - Just a retort, Coca-Cola also put Columboan Drug lords into power because Coca-Cola origonally had Cocaine in it.
14. Americans invented Practical Shooting, revolutionising the way LEO's and special forces agents train and fight. - Actually, the Turks did.
13. Americans invented the cell phone
12. Americans built the first modern civil airliner. - British did that.
11.Americans invented jeans clothing as we know it today. - You mean as a fashion statement? Otherwise, a Brit did that too.
10.Americans where the first ones to mass-produce motorcycles (Daimler invented them, but never produced them)
9.Americans invented the computer. I hope you mean the electronic computer, because technicly the first computer was invented in 1906 and installed on the British Dreadnaught ships, the computer was mechanical and computed fire trajectories, performing calculations makes it a computer.
8.Americans invented nuclear power. To date, nuclear and solar power are the two cleanest ways to produce energy. - German did it, although the working Reactor was brought online only a year after he got his citizenship, the whole thing was devloped before he did (Although I wanna give you this one anyway).
7.Americans invented hydroelecttri power, which, while not as environmentally sound as usually considered, is still very efficient.
6.Americans invented electric power in general - An American discovered it, you can't invent a natural occurance.
5.Americans invented the first real solar collector.
4.Americans invented the machinegun. See also 95 - No, they invented the mechanical gatling gun, a true machine gun was invented by a German a little later. (A machine gun defined by having a single barrell, and opperating on a blow-back gas system or a recoil system, not a crank or chain system)
3.Americans invented the bolt-action rifle. See also 95. - Brits did this.
2. Americans saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets. - Along with the Canadians, Australians, Mexicans, Affricans, Chinese, and every South American country.
1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list. - And a Canadian came up with the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", a document which here you claim America is founded on, yet to this day the US costantly goes against it, and when the document was put to the UN to be passed, the US strongly opposed it.

Just to counteract the America-bashing.

I just went through and corrected all your stuff.
I must also mention that a forign citizen working in the US doesn't actually count. Because if it did, then the Telephone and Phonograph would count as Canadian inventions because Bell was here in Canada in a summer home when he came upwith the prototypes.
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 01:03
I just went through and corrected all your stuff.
I must also mention that a forign citizen working in the US doesn't actually count. Because if it did, then the Telephone and Phonograph would count as Canadian inventions because Bell was here in Canada in a summer home when he came upwith the prototypes.
Basically, by adding all previous posts together, I can only come to one conclusion: the man who made this thread is full of shit. So much so, in fact, that it shoots from his ears at high pressure, and dribbles from his mouth constantly
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 01:07
Basically, by adding all previous posts together, I can only come to one conclusion: the man who made this thread is full of shit. So much so, in fact, that it shoots from his ears at high pressure, and dribbles from his mouth constantly

Now, if said man or woman is an American, and living in America, then I would put THAT into the 37 reasons why America is "cool".
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 01:09
38. Basically, by adding all previous posts together, I can only come to one conclusion: the man who made this thread is full of shit. So much so, in fact, that it shoots from his ears at high pressure, and dribbles from his mouth constantly.

Yes, I can see that too....
New York and Jersey
29-11-2004, 02:14
Welcome immigrants...hmmm

*submits to full cavity search at airport because photo didn't quite look like the owner*

Oh I'm sorry...I guess because of the last four years we need to ignore where millions of immigrants went to, to get away from Europe and elsewhere in the world..oh thats right..you probably dont study the exodus from European countries to the US..but hey..we went from 1 million(1776) to 290-300 million in less than 300 hundred years by fluke huh? We may not treat all immigrants the same..but there is a reason why many come to the US.
RX-8
29-11-2004, 03:34
People please stop hating america and go on with your lives. It makes me sick hearing you moaning about my country.
La Terra di Liberta
29-11-2004, 03:51
Honestly, the US has done some pretty stupid things and so has every other country in the world. It is simply that the US' are bigger and internationally know but don't think that every single country on the face of the earth doesn't have it's own deep, dark secrets.
Zachnia
29-11-2004, 04:28
21. Americans invented Rock'n'Roll

Perhaps, but the Brits perfected it.


Did we even invent it? I've always been told that the only music america invented was jazz. rap might be the exception, but who considers that music?
Einsteinian Big-Heads
29-11-2004, 04:33
People please stop hating america and go on with your lives. It makes me sick hearing you moaning about my country.

We'll stop complaining about your country the moment you stop giving us reasons. bear in mind it was a YANK who posted all 37 of these bullshit reasons and started this convo. Dont give the rest of the world reasons to complain and we will stop.
La Terra di Liberta
29-11-2004, 04:40
We'll stop complaining about your country the moment you stop giving us reasons. bear in mind it was a YANK who posted all 37 of these bullshit reasons and started this convo. Dont give the rest of the world reasons to complain and we will stop.



Yes and Americas the only one who does shit in the world :rolleyes:. Is it wrong for Americans to like something about their country?
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 04:45
Yes and Americas the only one who does shit in the world :rolleyes:. Is it wrong for Americans to like something about their country?

Eh, the problem is the idea of "Manifest Destiny". Alot of vocal Americans seem to believe they are the best in the world, and that everyone wants to be an American, and that every country in the world deserves to be governed by America.
That is where the problems come from. And that list is a clear result of this belief in that it shows all these things not done by Americans, as American.
La Terra di Liberta
29-11-2004, 04:48
Eh, the problem is the idea of "Manifest Destiny". Alot of vocal Americans seem to believe they are the best in the world, and that everyone wants to be an American, and that every country in the world deserves to be governed by America.
That is where the problems come from. And that list is a clear result of this belief in that it shows all these things not done by Americans, as American.


I don't deny they feel superior to the rest of the world, I'm saying that every country feels superior to the rest of world in one way or another, e.g. Canada:hockey. They're are just more obvious and more open.
Ita
29-11-2004, 04:55
Eh, the problem is the idea of "Manifest Destiny". Alot of vocal Americans seem to believe they are the best in the world, and that everyone wants to be an American, and that every country in the world deserves to be governed by America.
That is where the problems come from. And that list is a clear result of this belief in that it shows all these things not done by Americans, as American.

And there are a lot of vocal Europians that think that America can't do anything right and shouldn't be allowed to do anything on the world stage. You have to remeber this list started after the thread "37 reasons america isn't cool". Most Americans are out trying to do the right thing, but you never hear about that.
New York and Jersey
29-11-2004, 05:58
We'll stop complaining about your country the moment you stop giving us reasons. bear in mind it was a YANK who posted all 37 of these bullshit reasons and started this convo. Dont give the rest of the world reasons to complain and we will stop.

He's not a Yank...not born Yank anyway...I kinda said this about 9 pages back :-T So dont lop him with us...put him in some other group..you Brits can have him.
RX-8
29-11-2004, 18:14
I am an American and I was born in the u.s.a and please don't flame me for being an american.
Dobbs Town
29-11-2004, 18:25
I am an American and I was born in the u.s.a and please don't flame me for being an american.

I'd rather not flame you at all, but your nationality and place of birth hardly leave you singled out for a flamejob in any event.

What, you think gangs of international geeks are really hanging out on NS just looking to get Balkan on your ass for something as lame as that? Chill, dude...

DT.
The Emperor Fenix
29-11-2004, 18:28
15.Americans invented Coca-Cola, starting the whole idea of a soft drink industry.

I dont know who has commented on this, but of all the points this shows the most general ignorance, and the most disturbing power america has (and indeed most countries have) to completely indoctrinate their citizens.

The comercial carb-- err damn forgotten the name... carbonization (?) process, was invented by a mr Schweppes of... euopre :P sorry im not really sure possible switzerland. His company bought Coca-cola (invented in the US, originally a health drink (very healthy it is too :P)) and so i think you will find that America had indeed very little to do with Coca-Cola and what it stands for... the soft drink industry was invented by the victorians (and those of their day) as it was believed to be healthy (though tasted foul).

Should he have chosen MCDonalds, he would have been on stronger grounds but lamentably he did not.
RX-8
29-11-2004, 18:31
Sorry i said that.
La Terra di Liberta
29-11-2004, 18:34
When he said the telephone was invented in US, he was wrong. Alexander Graham Bell was living in Canada(Nova Scotia or PEI) at that time of that invention, it's just Americans use it the most.
Masked Cucumbers
29-11-2004, 18:58
[QUOTE=Allanea]37 reasons why America is cool


36. Americans invented the private automobile -> like it ever has been public. The automobile was invented in 1769 by the french. And the auto made was the author's possession.
35. Americans invented the helicopter --> de vinci did, then the idea was exploited by a russian immigrant
32. Americans invented the semi-automatic handgun and the revolver - the most efficient personal self-defense weapons known to man. ---> but for some reason around 10,000 americans die each year thanks to those wonders.
31. Americans invented the telephone --> wrong, it is an italian guy if you believe the US congress. Not graham bell.
30. Americans invented the lightbulb. --> wrong again. It is Heinrich Gobel, 3 decades before Edison.
29. Americans invented the television --> it is discutable. The system that we use now was first made by an american; but the idea comes from an english, based on a german's idea. Other televisions systems were made by russians and germans before that.
27.Americans invented rubber --> wrong, it was discovered. And by an english guy...
24 Americans invented the Submarine --> leonard de vinci did
23. Americans invented the phonograph - the first sound recording machine. --> wrong, a french man did it. The americans improved it.
22. Americans invented Jazz.
21. Americans invented Rock'n'Roll
20.Americans invented Rap ---> however all 3 are inventions of the black minority because it felt oppressed.

17. Americans invented cinema in general (Lumiere just developed a cheaper process) --> you are right on this one, except than the first use of cinema as a media (just like books are) was by Melies (french).
16. Americans invented the jeep. --> wow :rolleyes:
13. Americans invented the cell phone --> wrong.The Swedish police did
4.Americans invented the machinegun. See also 95 --> is that supposed to be good?
3.Americans invented the bolt-action rifle. See also 95. --> see before
1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list. -->

Article 2 - Le but de toute association politique est la conservation des droits naturels et imprescriptibles de l'homme. Ces droits sont la liberté, la propriété, la sûreté et la résistance à l'oppression. --> the french have it too.(translation: "(...) natural and unmovable rights of man. These rights are freedom (...)". Taken from the french declaration of human rights, 1789)

Just to counteract the America-bashing.



I'm sure you forgot many inventions that truely are american, but inform yourself before posting this. It will just make america appear as a more arrogant country if most of your reasons are lies.
New York and Jersey
29-11-2004, 19:00
I dont know who has commented on this, but of all the points this shows the most general ignorance, and the most disturbing power america has (and indeed most countries have) to completely indoctrinate their citizens.

The comercial carb-- err damn forgotten the name... carbonization (?) process, was invented by a mr Schweppes of... euopre :P sorry im not really sure possible switzerland. His company bought Coca-cola (invented in the US, originally a health drink (very healthy it is too :P)) and so i think you will find that America had indeed very little to do with Coca-Cola and what it stands for... the soft drink industry was invented by the victorians (and those of their day) as it was believed to be healthy (though tasted foul).

Should he have chosen MCDonalds, he would have been on stronger grounds but lamentably he did not.

Umm..you may wish to check that again..Carbonated Water was developed by either Torbern Bergman or Joseph Priestley.Schweppes only developed an efficant system. However Coca Cola itself..was invented by James Stith Pemberton..an American pharmasist. Its a uniquly US company not owned by Schweppes otherwise its corporate headquarters wouldnt be in Atlanta, Georgia.
Powerhungry Chipmunks
29-11-2004, 19:02
Reasons America's cool?

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Shizzleforizzleyo
29-11-2004, 21:35
I'm not gonna bother reading all the posts bashing these fallacies. As an american, I think most other americans believe that although we didn't invent most of these things, we made them better. I will not side with anti-americanized arguments about the internet.whatever we didn't invent it, but we made it a whole lot better. (oh wait, I'm sorry,you must be right. Bill Gates is Swiss isn't he?) Americans were able to make things better because in are free-market open trade society small/medium/large businesses have the chance to flourish. I know it's kinda rough to see some average semi-literate people make a lot of money by being eager ambitious entrepeneurs, but that's way a "open" and "free" society works. It may seem kinda harsh to see people less intelligent than you make more money,own more things,but in a "free" society their can't be any barriers to a person wanting these things.Considering the alternative most americans, even poverty-stricken ones, wouldn't want it any other way. A free handout is always nice, don't get me wrong, but with that, people are treated like victims, like they couldn't achieve anything more than waiting in a bread line and I can't think of anything more condescending than that. I agree, mostly, with the last reason. It is a bit distorted but it shows Americans have a underdtanding of our adam simithian society. That too we imported from Europe and somehow Europe forgot about it.

American don't think in terms of "power to the people"
we think in terms of "power to the individual"
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 21:38
I'm not gonna bother reading all the posts bashing these fallacies. As an american, I think most other americans believe that although we didn't invent most of these things, we made them better. I will not side with anti-americanized arguments about the internet.whatever we didn't invent it, but we made it a whole lot better. (oh wait, I'm sorry,you must be right. Bill Gates is Swiss isn't he?) Americans were able to make things better because in are free-market open trade society small/medium/large businesses have the chance to flourish. I know it's kinda rough to see some average semi-literate people make a lot of money by being eager ambitious entrepeneurs, but that's way a "open" and "free" society works. It may seem kinda harsh to see people less intelligent than you make more money,own more things,but in a "free" society their can't be any barriers to a person wanting these things.Considering the alternative most americans, even poverty-stricken ones, wouldn't want it any other way. A free handout is always nice, don't get me wrong, but with that, people are treated like victims, like they couldn't achieve anything more than waiting in a bread line and I can't think of anything more condescending than that. I agree, mostly, with the last reason. It is a bit distorted but it shows Americans have a underdtanding of our adam simithian society. That too we imported from Europe and somehow Europe forgot about it.

American don't think in terms of "power to the people"
we think in terms of "power to the individual"


I think you missed the point of the argument. The point being the claim that America invented said things. Wether or not they improved them is open to speculation since many other countries also improved said things.
The point was not refuting Americas use of the inventions, rather the blind idea that they created them.
Aston
29-11-2004, 21:45
36. Americans invented the private automobile

did you hell! im English and much as i dislike Germany the car was a German invention, you lot just stuck a new engine on it
Shizzleforizzleyo
29-11-2004, 21:58
I think you missed the point of the argument. The point being the claim that America invented said things. Wether or not they improved them is open to speculation since many other countries also improved said things.
The point was not refuting Americas use of the inventions, rather the blind idea that they created them.


no I got the point. Maybe somebody can show me some info on when and how the swiss invented the internet.

I wouldn't have wrote such a rant it I hadn't seen so many people write that this difinitive evidence that ALL americans are stupid.
Stupidity and ignorance knows no boundaries, people in Canada and britain can be just as stupid or ignorant as any American and I don't appreciate such comments. Besides what you're really saying when you say that (not you,man but if somebody does) is: I am completely ignorant of what america is all about.I have probably never steped foot in america because I don't want to because my tely tells me not to because my telly is always right and americans all always wrong and stupid and dumb and poor and stupid and backwards and ignorant and it must be so because I read it in the papers while I was on the loo."

anyways I'm not trolling. I'm just a bit...upset
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 22:02
no I got the point. Maybe somebody can show me some info on when and how the swiss invented the internet.

I wouldn't have wrote such a rant it I hadn't seen so many people write that this difinitive evidence that ALL americans are stupid.
Stupidity and ignorance knows no boundaries, people in Canada and britain can be just as stupid or ignorant as any American and I don't appreciate such comments. Besides what you're really saying when you say that (not you,man but if somebody does) is: I am completely ignorant of what america is all about.I have probably never steped foot in america because I don't want to because my tely tells me not to because my telly is always right and americans all always wrong and stupid and dumb and poor and stupid and backwards and ignorant and it must be so because I read it in the papers while I was on the loo."

anyways I'm not trolling. I'm just a bit...upset


Lol, I hear ya'. And if your entire argument is based on the idea that the Swiss invented the internet, well you're fretting over nothing.
Last time I checked the internet was invented as a form of communication through NORAD (Which is the US and Canada), in the event of a nuclear war. So technicly, Americans and Canadians invented it.
Shizzleforizzleyo
29-11-2004, 22:33
Lol, I hear ya'. And if your entire argument is based on the idea that the Swiss invented the internet, well you're fretting over nothing.
Last time I checked the internet was invented as a form of communication through NORAD (Which is the US and Canada), in the event of a nuclear war. So technicly, Americans and Canadians invented it.


the fact that somebody said the swiss invented it and everybody else jumps in aftert that and says: SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU THEY WERE IGNORANT!!

anyways, you're right. It's probably nothing.
now I'll continue my work on inventing the first virtual bar where people have virtual drinks togther. I just hope some dutchmen hasn't beaten me to it already.
Reichstan
29-11-2004, 23:04
[QUOTE=Allanea]37 reasons why America is cool


1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.

Sometimes the majority only means that all the idiots are on the same side. Let's not forget, we all (that is, Americans) have freedoms... supposing of course that we are not part of any minority or group that is out of favor with Monsieur Bush in the White House. I love the references to Germany and Japan here... They're not Fascist anymore, mate. And as for your thoughts on France... well... how are the freedom fries, Monsieur?

And no, I am not French in any way... more Mexican than anything, but I thought I'd throw that in just to make clear the idea that America is not the epitome of human existence... rather, it's on a rocky slide downhill. And those who are not so blind and narrow-minded would see that quite clearly. I certainly do.

America is not alone in the world... although at this rate it won't be long before we are.
Shizzleforizzleyo
29-11-2004, 23:22
[QUOTE=Allanea]37 reasons why America is cool


1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.

Sometimes the majority only means that all the idiots are on the same side. Let's not forget, we all (that is, Americans) have freedoms... supposing of course that we are not part of any minority or group that is out of favor with Monsieur Bush in the White House. I love the references to Germany and Japan here... They're not Fascist anymore, mate. And as for your thoughts on France... well... how are the freedom fries, Monsieur?

And no, I am not French in any way... more Mexican than anything, but I thought I'd throw that in just to make clear the idea that America is not the epitome of human existence... rather, it's on a rocky slide downhill. And those who are not so blind and narrow-minded would see that quite clearly. I certainly do.

America is not alone in the world... although at this rate it won't be long before we are.

I'm intrested to know what you're basing this off of. Mostly because this "rocky slide downhill backwards America" theory seems to be prevailing theme in many discussions these days.
The disillusioned many
30-11-2004, 15:21
does any of this really matter,

i realise i am about to offent but...
...America is full of overweight, selfish, 'people', whose idea of fun is shooting things.

i know this is a steriotype, but prove me wrong then....
New York and Jersey
30-11-2004, 15:26
does any of this really matter,

i realise i am about to offent but...
...America is full of overweight, selfish, 'people', whose idea of fun is shooting things.

i know this is a steriotype, but prove me wrong then....

Why should anyone have to prove you wrong? Why would you even make such a post? Your flamebaiting..
Torching Witches
30-11-2004, 15:29
Oh God, who dragged this up again?
Reimann
30-11-2004, 15:46
who cares who made anything up? as stated before, when ppl invented things, it was for the good of mankind and NOT for their country, with the exception of the nazis. as an american living in brussels, home of the EU and NATO, ppl more appropriately associate with anyone from any country, not just their own.
UpwardThrust
30-11-2004, 15:55
INTERNET?? Don't make me laugh, it was invented in Switzerland in CERN!!
Um hope you are joking :P only a basic form of NETWORK was developed by cern

Network != Internet
Scarborough Faire
30-11-2004, 15:57
who invented America? amerigo vespucci :rolleyes:

we might've saved Europe from Nazis/Soviets, but Hitler got kudos for saving E Europe from their depression, right? right?
Gataway_Driver
30-11-2004, 16:31
I was under the impression from an article I read a few days ago, that there were two types of internet: an internet, and the Internet. The Internet being this thing we're using now. An internet being any network of computers. Is that right, or do I need computer lessons?


Isn't that an Intranet not an internet
Water Cove
30-11-2004, 18:38
There is so much wrong about the list, and sooo much I want to point out, but I'll just settle for one, and the number one.

Does anyone know just how many countries where declared indipendent because the local population believed in freedom and power to the people? What did Friesland fight for when Romans, Christians and Empirialists came to their lands? How many (pagan) communities must have existed in Scandinavia and the Baltic where tribes proclaimed themselves indipendent and adopting ideas resembling democracy (closely)? How many Commonwealth countries gained their freedom and adapted the British democratic system (which can't be any less 'free' than the American one). When becoming a country, what form of government did Luxembourg and Belgium adopt? Why did the Dutch resist the Spanish overlords? What was Rome untill sucumbing to Julius Ceasar? What did the Greek philosophers brainstorm about? What is the will, wish, ambition and sole driving force of so many freedom loving people and opressed all over the world? Democracy!

It isn't something that makes America 'cool'. It belongs to every human who embraces it. It cannot be claimed, just like words. Some things belong to everybody, and cannot be taken no matter how much you claim it.
Jayastan
30-11-2004, 19:30
For such a large rich country america has not really invented a whole lot.

I gotta say the airplane for sure, how about the automobile?

I thought the telephone was invented by a canadien?

Wasnt Albert Einstein german?

I know the steam engine + railroad was invented in Great britian, they had a railroad 10 years before anything happened in the states.
Legless Pirates
30-11-2004, 19:34
America invented this thread
The Tribes Of Longton
30-11-2004, 19:42
America invented this thread
America invented the word 'dude'. That has GOT to count for something?
Ajems17
30-11-2004, 20:24
America is cool for quite a few reasons e.g. the many types of guns :sniper:
and the simpsons
but America is also crap becuase they invented Rap :headbang:


all in all America is a good place (accept when terrorists visit :mp5: )
but it has its down sides yes americans reckon they won ww2 but sorry guys russia got there b4 all of you :p and dont forget the americans made the Dodge Viper

NOW DROP THIS BEFORE YOUM MAKE PEOPLE UPSET AND ANGRY
Commie-Pinko Scum
30-11-2004, 20:35
Just because some of your countrymen made some great inventions doesn't mean your policies still don't suck :P

Remember Nazi Germany making great advances in cancer research for the time? The Autobahn? Volkswagen? And since you list weapons as a great achievement - they had invented some of the best weaponry around at the time. A bit further back under the Kaiser's Germany was the Haber Process of creating ammonia without which, many fertilisers can't be produced.
Bariloche
30-11-2004, 20:37
who invented America? amerigo vespucci :rolleyes:

It's Americo Vespucci, and... NO. It has been convincently proven that the word America comes from an arawak word, that was used to refer to their world as a whole. Before, it was accepted the story of the explorer who got a continent named after him, despite there was no historical evidence.

Now... WHO ON EARTH DIGGED UP THIS STUPID THREAD?! SHOW YOUR FACE!
Hylls
30-11-2004, 21:31
1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.

What? America first came into excistance due to British colonists! It was founded on destroying cultures (of the native americans) Lust for money and pure conquest!

Also I've got a question, why do americans hate the french? Its partially thanks to them you won independence!
Chesnut Hill
30-11-2004, 21:47
> 2. Americans saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets.

WHAT?! I thought it were Russians who saved Europe from German Fascists, and the Soviet Union has dissolved by itself, without much help from the US. Anyway, posts like that show to the whole world just how ignorant and dumb are Americans, and how they strive to name every invention (even if it occured in Ancient Egypt) to be "American".


Sorry but not all Americans are that dumb, some of us know are history and know that we are not the greatest thing that hit this world. All we got going for us is the fact we can destroy the world eight times over with all our nuclear bombs. Though you've got to admit we did created a lot of the entertainment business, the music mentioned was created here,
Chesnut Hill
30-11-2004, 22:10
[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]You see the good thing about America is..we welcome immigrants..so those non-Americans working in America became Americans at some point. Before or after they invented what they did while in America.

While that might of been true before, us letting immigrants in, we definitly do not do that now. The amount of work an immigrant has to go through to become a U.S. citizen its almost pointless. But on the good point once they are in and after they've taken the test they know more about america then most americans! great i know!
Chesnut Hill
30-11-2004, 22:20
does any of this really matter,

i realise i am about to offent but...
...America is full of overweight, selfish, 'people', whose idea of fun is shooting things.

i know this is a steriotype, but prove me wrong then....

Umm...yea wrong...of course with the last survey I saw I came the city of the most overweight people, but not all of us our. Of course we are selfish our whole culture is materialistic, though there are those who try to get away from that...though I don't know any I've just heard of them. I know noone who likes to shoot things though...if we are doing stereotypes I think thats a Texan thing or maybe midwest... were a lot more of the ignorant (more so then the rest of us Americans) live.
Shizzleforizzleyo
30-11-2004, 22:32
Umm...yea wrong...of course with the last survey I saw I came the city of the most overweight people, but not all of us our. Of course we are selfish our whole culture is materialistic, though there are those who try to get away from that...though I don't know any I've just heard of them. I know noone who likes to shoot things though...if we are doing stereotypes I think thats a Texan thing or maybe midwest... were a lot more of the ignorant (more so then the rest of us Americans) live.


yeah and even in the midwest that's not true, I'm from Chicago and we're not all gun crazy bigots here. Some people are too infatuated with this stereotype, I guess it's because it would be a lot easier to paint us all as racist redneck bigots than to take into account that that's really just a few places in the south with people still waving the confederate flag and drinking moonshine (well even that's a stereotype)
Volonhia
01-12-2004, 21:12
> 2. Americans saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets.

WHAT?! I thought it were Russians who saved Europe from German Fascists, and the Soviet Union has dissolved by itself, without much help from the US. Anyway, posts like that show to the whole world just how ignorant and dumb are Americans, and how they strive to name every invention (even if it occured in Ancient Egypt) to be "American".

Whoever you are, you need to read either a history book, or learn more about large scale military tactics. But not to worry, your personal history leson is right here. The Germans didn't want to have a war on two fronts, they always had these "plans" that Saxon Generals had developed 50 years before both WW and one of them worked one didn't. In WWII it did work, for a while. (i.e. taking over france) So the Germans only had the Russians, and the British airplanes to worry about. Then what happened was that the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic forced England great economic strain, so they asked AMERICA to help them. America did, by sending suplies and military equipment. The British victory in the Battle of Britain caused their to be less German airplanes in Russia or Africa. Then the American provided supplies and military equipment was used in North Africa at El-Alemain which stopped the Germans from attacking the USSR from the south as well. The first two ways the Americans saved our ass. Then when the Russians never ending supply of canon fodder, or people as they called it, wore the Germans out like 500 pound man on a treedmill, the American became fully in the War after Pearl Harbour. This ended up with D-Day and the Normandy Invasions. Which would DEFINITLY not have been won in not for the Americans. The Paratroopers and men in general that the US provided was thier air canister to our skuba diver that forgot his air canister. This leds me to the "for a while" part of the Germans war on two fronts plan. The American and British forces diverted so much men from the Eastern front for the fighting, as well as before d-day cause hitler wanted to build the Atlantic Wall because now the AMERICANS would invade if England invaded. This weakened the Germans on the Russian front, causing the Russians to turn the tide against Germany. After that, Ameica and England kicked so much ass in France that Germany ended up pulling huge amounts of tanks in paticular off of the russian front. This ended up in America and England and Russia meeting in the middle of Germany, and winning the war. So infact you idiot, America did save our ass' in WWII.
As for the Soviet Union, America and Russia were competing with each other over many thing, space race, weapons, power over small countries,etc. But America's amazing industrial power just wore out Russia like its cannon foder did Germany in WWII, making the USSR blindly making 3000 nuclear subs that didn't work, had a 50% chance of sinking, and took all of Russia's Economy to Build, meaning that AMERICA won the cold war, saving our ass again. You are dismised ................idiot. :headbang:
De minimus
02-12-2004, 04:55
37 reasons why America is cool

1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.

Just to counteract the America-bashing.

I read things like this and I want to vomit....yeah, America the great land of freedom. This is the country that keep a large portion of their population enslaved until 1863, treated them like second class citizens for another 100 years ( or more I suppose) all the while preaching that "all men are created equal". This is the country that denies basic human rights to a group of prisoners in Cuba, executes retarded people in Texas and only acts on the global stage when it is in its best interests.
I am grateful for the invention of Coca Cola however....
Mistress Kimberly
02-12-2004, 05:02
I am also thankful for coca-cola. MMMM.

"Computer" on the original list is a pretty broad term, and I have read many disputes about it on this thread. Here's my bit to that....the first "digital" computer was invented in America. I only know this because it was at Iowa State University, and it is on display there. One of those wonderful things you get to see on the campus tour. :)



http://www.cs.iastate.edu/jva/jva-archive.shtml
Shisami
02-12-2004, 05:33
personally, i think this is just a stupid thread and should probably be deleted :( sure america's cool, but so is just about every country in its own way
Shisami
02-12-2004, 05:34
ok maybe everyone except for china :) (sry couldnt help myself)
Midlantia
02-12-2004, 05:38
I read things like this and I want to vomit....yeah, America the great land of freedom. This is the country that keep a large portion of their population enslaved until 1863, treated them like second class citizens for another 100 years ( or more I suppose) all the while preaching that "all men are created equal". This is the country that denies basic human rights to a group of prisoners in Cuba, executes retarded people in Texas and only acts on the global stage when it is in its best interests.
I am grateful for the invention of Coca Cola however....

Yes, because the United States is the ONLY nation [sic] which has and currently only acts in its self-interest on the global stage...get a clue. It must be your knowledge of international affairs, history, and current events which is "de minimus."
De minimus
02-12-2004, 16:56
Yes, because the United States is the ONLY nation [sic] which has and currently only acts in its self-interest on the global stage...get a clue. It must be your knowledge of international affairs, history, and current events which is "de minimus."

yes, though I'm sure other countries do as well....my point is that America acting in it's own self interests is not a good thing. It's great to depose a nasty dictator like Sadaam, just don't pretend that you're doing it for the benefit of the Iraqis: you're doing it to perserve your own economic interests.
Capitalist Tax Haven
02-12-2004, 19:31
America is crap at spelling
The Tribes Of Longton
02-12-2004, 19:37
Somebody kill this thread. It serves no purpose anymore other than to allow trolls and flamers free reign. I think almost all of the original posts have been debated and cleared up, only for someone to come along and say "Hey, the americans didn't invent the lightbulb!" and the whole pointless debate starts again. Stop it. Just stop it, now.
My Gun Not Yours
02-12-2004, 19:43
The thing that makes America cool is that with the exception of the Native Americans, everyone here (or their ancestor) was thrown out of every decent country in the world.

We're rejects, and we're doing quite well, despite our arrogance.

I could start another list. Good and Bad Things:

1. We saved Europe in WW I (France in particular).
2. We saved Europe in WW II (France in particular).
3. We are actively dealing with the problems created in the Middle East by British cartographers (Israel, Kuwait, Iraq). Not always well, not always consistent, but we're trying. I don't see too many Europeans lining up for anything except arms sales (mostly French to Iraq) and excessive hand wringing.
4. We couldn't finish cleaning up the French mess in Vietnam. Sorry about that.
5. Sorry we haven't bothered to clean up any of the mess left by European colonialism in Africa, but neither is anyone else. You might count the French, but if their recent activity in Ivory Coast is any indication (shooting crowds of unarmed people with machineguns, bombing targets without UN approval), they are acting more like the US every day.
6. We grow 80 percent of the world's food. You might think about that the next time someone wants to do in the US and ruin its economy. I would bet that several billion people would starve to death inside of a year if anything happens to the US.
7. Baywatch. Hey, it's a stupid program, and I watch it for the women, but so do billions of other people - outside the US.
8. CocaCola - you could drink that local slop that passes for a substitute, but why would you?
9. Marlboro - I know. Cigarettes are bad for you. But more people smoke Marlboro than any other brand - around the world. And it's not a bad smoke, either.
The Tribes Of Longton
02-12-2004, 19:52
The thing that makes America cool is that with the exception of the Native Americans, everyone here (or their ancestor) was thrown out of every decent country in the world.

We're rejects, and we're doing quite well, despite our arrogance.

I could start another list. Good and Bad Things:

1. We saved Europe in WW I (France in particular). No.
2. We saved Europe in WW II (France in particular). No.
3. We are actively dealing with the problems created in the Middle East by British cartographers (Israel, Kuwait, Iraq). Not always well, not always consistent, but we're trying. I don't see too many Europeans lining up for anything except arms sales (mostly French to Iraq) and excessive hand wringing. Active, like your govt. is actively seeking countries with the most oil. I agree
4. We couldn't finish cleaning up the French mess in Vietnam. Sorry about that. You could have done if it wasn't for the fear of bringing the USSR into it. By the way, more Vietnam vets killed themselves than were killed
5. Sorry we haven't bothered to clean up any of the mess left by European colonialism in Africa, but neither is anyone else. You might count the French, but if their recent activity in Ivory Coast is any indication (shooting crowds of unarmed people with machineguns, bombing targets without UN approval), they are acting more like the US every day. So the UN and, in particular, British troops aren't scattered around Africa trying to sort out local problems.
6. We grow 80 percent of the world's food. You might think about that the next time someone wants to do in the US and ruin its economy. I would bet that several billion people would starve to death inside of a year if anything happens to the US. I somehow doubt that 80% of the world's food comes from the US
7. Baywatch. Hey, it's a stupid program, and I watch it for the women, but so do billions of other people - outside the US.
8. CocaCola - you could drink that local slop that passes for a substitute, but why would you? Because it tastes better. And it was never going to release a 'classic' version, which was just plain stupid
9. Marlboro - I know. Cigarettes are bad for you. But more people smoke Marlboro than any other brand - around the world. And it's not a bad smoke, either. What qualifies as a good smoke? Doesn't give you lung cancer as quickly? Now LET IT DIE!
Utracia
02-12-2004, 19:52
I read things like this and I want to vomit....yeah, America the great land of freedom. This is the country that keep a large portion of their population enslaved until 1863, treated them like second class citizens for another 100 years ( or more I suppose) all the while preaching that "all men are created equal". This is the country that denies basic human rights to a group of prisoners in Cuba, executes retarded people in Texas and only acts on the global stage when it is in its best interests.
I am grateful for the invention of Coca Cola however....

Other countries didn't do any better with their own past. Despite numerous problems, if I had to pick any country to live in, the US would be it. Nowhere else do you have opportunities as you do here, or have the chance to be wealthy. Being poor here is pretty good compared to other places and despite the annoying cutbacks being made in name of "security" we still have many freedoms that other countries don't enjoy.

I myself am grateful for Pepsi which is infinately better than Coke.
Utracia
02-12-2004, 19:55
The thing that makes America cool is that with the exception of the Native Americans, everyone here (or their ancestor) was thrown out of every decent country in the world.

We're rejects, and we're doing quite well, despite our arrogance.

I could start another list. Good and Bad Things:

1. We saved Europe in WW I (France in particular).
2. We saved Europe in WW II (France in particular).
3. We are actively dealing with the problems created in the Middle East by British cartographers (Israel, Kuwait, Iraq). Not always well, not always consistent, but we're trying. I don't see too many Europeans lining up for anything except arms sales (mostly French to Iraq) and excessive hand wringing.
4. We couldn't finish cleaning up the French mess in Vietnam. Sorry about that.
5. Sorry we haven't bothered to clean up any of the mess left by European colonialism in Africa, but neither is anyone else. You might count the French, but if their recent activity in Ivory Coast is any indication (shooting crowds of unarmed people with machineguns, bombing targets without UN approval), they are acting more like the US every day.
6. We grow 80 percent of the world's food. You might think about that the next time someone wants to do in the US and ruin its economy. I would bet that several billion people would starve to death inside of a year if anything happens to the US.
7. Baywatch. Hey, it's a stupid program, and I watch it for the women, but so do billions of other people - outside the US.
8. CocaCola - you could drink that local slop that passes for a substitute, but why would you?
9. Marlboro - I know. Cigarettes are bad for you. But more people smoke Marlboro than any other brand - around the world. And it's not a bad smoke, either.

France save our ass in the American Revolution putting the final nail in Britains coffin. Not to mention Napolean selling us a bunch of our country. Thank the French for the Louisiana Purchase!
The Tribes Of Longton
02-12-2004, 19:55
Other countries didn't do any better with their own past. Despite numerous problems, if I had to pick any country to live in, the US would be it. Nowhere else do you have opportunities as you do here, or have the chance to be wealthy. Being poor here is pretty good compared to other places and despite the annoying cutbacks being made in name of "security" we still have many freedoms that other countries don't enjoy.

I myself am grateful for Pepsi which is infinately better than Coke.
You mean, nowhere else will the govt. relax taxes on the rich and manage to make the poor think they'll benefit. And the US has large regions which are less developed than some areas of Sub-saharan Africa, so don't give me that whole 'other countries are poorer than us' crap.

Anyway, China is likely to be the biggest economy in the world within a generation. So Ha
My Gun Not Yours
02-12-2004, 19:58
The UN has presided over, or watched, or been complicit, in more massacres and acts of genocide than any other entity since Nazi Germany.

Yes, they did a lot of good in Rwanda, didn't they. Kofi Annan himself gave explicit orders to the Belgians stationed there that they were not to interfere in any way, or rescue anyone, or stop any acts of violence.

It was NATO that interfered in Kosovo, not the UN. If we had waited for the UN to do something almost everyone there would be dead by now.

Kill hundreds of thousands of your own people, and the UN will cut you a 20 billion dollar slice off the top while lining their own pockets.

Name an infamous massacre in progress that the UN actually stopped - without US or NATO help.
The Communist Nation
02-12-2004, 20:06
INTERNET?? Don't make me laugh, it was invented in Switzerland in CERN!!

CERN is a particle physics lab.
Gawdly
02-12-2004, 20:07
Just to further muddy the waters...he was born a Scot, immigrated to Canada and became a citizen, invented the phone in Canada, and patented it in the US.

Oh, and those darn, beaver-thumping Canucks invented basketball too!

ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL

Every time Canadians make a telephone call, they can afford to feel a little national pride.

Alexander Graham Bell, the man considered to be one of the most important inventors of the 19th century, was born March 3, 1847 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Even though he was not born in Canada, many of his greatest scientific discoveries were made on Canadian soil.

Greatness was in his blood. His grandfather, Alexander Bell, was a respected orator and part-time actor in London, England. He went on to be an influential speech teacher, producing several key writings on the subjects of elocution and speech pathologies.

Bell's father, Alexander Melville, was also a pioneer in the field of elocution, developing "Visible Speech," a phonetic system that used a visual alphabet of symbols of the lip, throat and tongue positions needed to produce certain sounds. The system was instrumental in teaching deaf students to learn how to speak.

The inventing bug bit Alexander Graham Bell early. Described as a grave and serious boy with piercing black eyes, Bell was a bright and precocious student. Perhaps because his mother was a gifted pianist, Alexander displayed an aptitude for all things associated with sound and pitch; indeed, many of his first experiments involved sound. At the age of 14, he and his brother made a speaking apparatus using the voice box of a dead sheep; as well, Bell learned that if he manipulated the mouth and vocal chords of his pet terrier, he could make the dog's growls sound like words.

This early curiosity marked the beginning of Bell's lifelong fascination with sound and speech. Alexander would continue to pursue these interests as a student at universities in both Edinburgh and London, eventually deciding to follow in his father's footsteps as an elocution teacher.

After Alexander's two brothers died of tuberculosis, the Bells decided they should relocate Alexander, who had contracted the disease as well, to a more suitable climate. In 1870, the family immigrated to Canada, settling in Brantford, Ontario, where Alexander fully recovered.

At the age of 23, Alexander relocated to Boston, Massachusetts where he worked to publicize his father's Visible Speech system. In 1872, Bell founded his own school for deaf-mutes and shortly thereafter, he was appointed Professor of Vocal Physiology at Boston University. During this productive period, the highly sensitive Alexander suffered from intense headaches brought on by stress and overwork, and he would often retreat to his family's Brantford estate to rest in the quiet, peaceful surroundings.

It was in Brantford that Bell's greatest idea was born. While relaxing atop the bluff he referred to as "his dreaming place," Bell allowed himself to brainstorm about a "harmonic telegraph" device he was working on. Alexander figured that if he could make an electric current undulate the same way air does when sound is produced, he could definitely transmit speech telegraphically. This daydream became the basis for the invention of the telephone.

Feeling inspired, Bell returned to Boston and began work on his invention. Always clumsy with his hands, Bell needed an assistant to actualize his idea and he found the perfect match in Thomas Watson, a gifted young electrician and model maker. The two laboured on the project for almost a year until a happy accident occurred on June 2, 1875. While Watson worked to loosen a reed that was wound around an electromagnet, Bell heard a noticeable twang, and realized this effect could be recreated with the human voice.

More tinkering followed and the first - now infamous - spoken words, "Mr. Watson, come here, I need you," were transmitted via telegraph on March 10, 1876. Legend has it Bell was so excited by his success that he promptly spilled battery acid on his clothes. After patenting the invention and staging a demonstration of the telephone at the Centennial Exhibition in Philadelphia in 1876, Bell went on to form the Bell Telephone Company in 1877.

Despite this remarkable achievement, Bell maintained he was much prouder of his accomplishments as a teacher of deaf mutes than of the invention of the telephone. Throughout his life, he worked closely with the American Association for the Promotion of the Teaching of Speech to ensure deaf people were not marginalized or excluded from everyday life.

In the same year he established the Bell Telephone Company, Bell married one of his former deaf pupils, Mabel S. Hubbard and the couple soon started a family. While vacationing in Canada, Bell discovered Baddeck, Nova Scotia. It reminded him of places from his childhood in Scotland and he purchased land in Baddeck, building a summer home called Beinn Bhreagh.

The Baddeck estate was a source of inspiration for Bell. Free from financial constraints, he devoted the remainder of his life to inventing, and many of his most inspired creations were developed at Beinn Bhreagh. Though he is best known for the telephone, Bell was responsible for several other key inventions, including a photophone (which transmitted speech via a ray of light); an induction balance used to locate pieces of metal in the human body; a precursor of the iron lung; a wax-recording cylinder (the basis for the phonograph); and a hydrofoil boat, known as the HD-4, that was the fastest boat in the world for many years.

Thirty years after Bell's death on August 2, 1922, the Canadian government constructed the Alexander Graham Bell National Historical Site in Baddeck, Nova Scotia, which currently houses the world's largest collection of Bell artefacts and archives.

Bell once remarked "Leave the beaten track behind occasionally and dive into the woods. Every time you do you will be certain to find something you have never seen before."

Canadians are most grateful he followed his own advice.
Cyber Dela
02-12-2004, 20:15
37. Internet - Germany
36. Private automobile - by about a month... then Germany.
35. Helicopter - only developed by americans
34. Man on the moon - debatable...
33. First personal computer - Germans again (they sure are good at inventing)
32. Semi-automatic handgun and the revolver - That's nothing to be proud of!
31. Telephone - You sure?
30. Lightbulb - See above...
29. Television - German invented, first publicly avaiable to americans.
28. First private spacecraft - Well Done
27. Rubber - .....
26. Railroad - That's very British I'll have you know!
25. First steamboat - Joint English-American I believe.
24 Submarine - Probably
23. Phonograph - Don't know for sure.. but I believe the phonograph was invented before america was even found.
22. Jazz - Fair Enough
21. Rock'n'Roll - Too Broad, define Rock'n'Roll.
20. Rap - Again nothing to be proud of.
19. Voiced cinema - Germans
18. Color cinema - Congrats
17. Cinema in general - Cinema's maybe, but film originated from German Expressionism.
16. Jeep - So..
15. Coca-Cola - And for that thanks
14. Practical Shooting - Again very gun oritanated
13. Cell phone - The phone itself yes, but not the technology.
12. First modern civil airliner - Ok
11. Jeans clothing as we know it today - Jeans yes, clothing as we know it no! alot originated from Paris during the french revolution.
10. First ones to mass-produce motorcycles - Cool
9. Computer - No!!!! American swines stole the idea! Don't even get me started!
8. Nuclear power - Ha! again you stole the ideas for it and only expanded
7. Hydroelectric power - Not true americans only harnessed it, and water mills are Hydroelectrically powered and were invented in Japan.
6. Electric power in general - HA!
5. First real solar collector - Which still hasn't shown its potential.
4. Machinegun - You americans are just (Look Down)
3. Bolt-action rifle - Trigger Fricken Happy!!!
2. America Saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets - Now that just stuck up! You only came into the war when threatened. You didn't actually care for Europe, you made billions out the war, most countries you "helped" are still in debt from the money you lent them!!! It's not like you did it single handedly!
1. Freedom - America is currently less free than most of Europe, if you take a book out about Bin Laden, by law, you can be arrested, due to your wonderful Patriot Law, which FORCES you to be Patriotic!! that's freedom???!!! Plus you're all controlled by the fear your goverment places you in, if you realise it or not!!!

On the Whole my conclusion is that most thing America has Stolen of other countries merely to take the glory of their inventions, plus Americans are all forced scared Patriots that cannot or will not think outside of the box!
Crossman
02-12-2004, 20:19
But Rap sucks - thats nothing to be proud of.

Damn straight, and it shouldn't be listed higher on the list than Rock.
Cisalpia
02-12-2004, 21:05
Ok, considering the discussion, here's a list of actual American inventions.
Source: http://inventors.about.com/library/bl_by_state_inventors.htm
And none of that silly "He was an immigrant!" nonsense, and yes I am including a person if they were a co-inventor.

AL: Percy Julian - Cortisone (anitinflammatory)
AL: Waldo L. Semon plasticized PVC or Vinyl
CA: Luis Walter Alvarez - microwave beacon, the linear radar antennae, and ground-controlled radar landing approaches for aircraft.
CA: Robert Bower - Self-Aligned Gate MOSFET, a speed device for microprocessors
CA: Frederick Cottrell - electrostatic precipitator to clean out smoke and dust
CA: Charles P. Ginsburg - practical video tape recorder
CA: Theodore Harold Maiman - Ruby Laser
CO: Robert J. Seiwald - Antibody Labeling Agent
CT: Samuel Colt - Colt Revolver
CT: Charles Goodyear - Vulcanization process for rubber
CT: Robert N. Hall - semiconductor injection laser (used in CD players, etc)
CT: Edwin H. Land - Polaroid Camera
CT: Kenneth H. Olsen - Magnetic Core Memory for computing applications
DE: Oliver Evans - In 1789, the first U.S. patent for a steam-powered land vehicle
IL: Arnold Beckman - Acid testing apparatus
IL: Stanley Mazer - Intel 4004 (first single chip microprocessor)
IL: George Pullman - Pullman Sleeping Cars
IN: Andrew J. Moyer - Penicillin as medicine
IN: Wilbur Wright - airplane, or at least, biplane
IA: Wallace Hume Carothers - Nylon and neoprene
IA: Lee DeForest - three-electrode (triode) vacuum tube radio amplifier
ME: Hiram Stevens Maxim - Maxim Machine Gun
ME: Percy Lebaron Spencer - Microwave Oven
MA: Alfred Ely Beach - NY subway system - the pneumatic train system
MA: Forrest Bird - medical respirator and the pediatric ventilator
MA: Harold Stephen Black - Wave translation system, eliminating feedback distortion in telephone calls.
MA: Rachel Fuller Brown - first useful antifungal antibiotic - nystatin
MA: William D. Coolidge - X-Ray tube (building off of Roentgen's work)
MA: Elias Howe - The lockstitch Sewing Machine
MA: Samuel F. B. Morse - Electric Telegraph plus Morse Code
MA: Jacob Perkins - Bathometer, Pleometer, shoe-buckle plating method, steel plate engraving
MA: Robert H. Rines - high definition radar and the sonogram
MA: Max Tishler - methods for synthesizing the essential vitamin B2 and an antibiotic against poultry disease
MA: Eli Whitney - Cotton gin

That's Alabama through Massachussetts, and I'm tired of typing. There are 29 more states to go through, but you can read them yourself.
Yevon of Spira
02-12-2004, 21:15
"Rap" is the only word in the english language with a silent "c"

That works beter if you say it cause, well, you get it.
OOOOB
02-12-2004, 21:24
Yeah, thanks for Coca-Cola at least. That led to Diet Coke. Thanks again.

And Philly Cheesestake....ummmm...oh yeah, and finally Buffalo wings.

Oooo....and the muscle car. Yup that about sums up my thanks.
Rockness
02-12-2004, 21:34
37 reasons why America is cool


37. Americans invented the Internet
36. Americans invented the private automobile
35. Americans invented the helicopter
34. Americans got a man on the moon.
33. Americans invented the first personal computer.
32. Americans invented the semi-automatic handgun and the revolver - the most efficient personal self-defense weapons known to man.
31. Americans invented the telephone
30. Americans invented the lightbulb.
29. Americans invented the television
28.Americans launched the first private spacecraft
27.Americans invented rubber
26.Americans invented the railroad.
25.Americans invented the first steamboat.
24 Americans invented the Submarine
23. Americans invented the phonograph - the first sound recording machine.
22. Americans invented Jazz.
21. Americans invented Rock'n'Roll
20.Americans invented Rap
19. Americans invented voiced cinema
18. Americans invented color cinema
17. Americans invented cinema in general (Lumiere just developed a cheaper process)
16. Americans invented the jeep.
15.Americans invented Coca-Cola, starting the whole idea of a soft drink industry.
14. Americans invented Practical Shooting, revolutionising the way LEO's and special forces agents train and fight.
13. Americans invented the cell phone
12. Americans built the first modern civil airliner.
11.Americans invented jeans clothing as we know it today.
10.Americans where the first ones to mass-produce motorcycles (Daimler invented them, but never produced them)
9.Americans invented the computer.
8.Americans invented nuclear power. To date, nuclear and solar power are the two cleanest ways to produce energy.
7.Americans invented hydroelecttri power, which, while not as environmentally sound as usually considered, is still very efficient.
6.Americans invented electric power in general
5.Americans invented the first real solar collector.
4.Americans invented the machinegun. See also 95
3.Americans invented the bolt-action rifle. See also 95.
2. Americans saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets.
1. Americans are, to this day, the only country not only founded on the idea of democracy, but also one idea of freedom (DIFFERENT THIGS). Unlike French, Germans, Japanese, or whoever, Americans believe rights are natural/innate/god-given, not given to you by a government, an idea notoriously absent, say, from the EU constitution. It means those rights are not subject to majority vote. It is that heritage of freedom that enabled Americans to achieve the rest of the stuff on this list.

Just to counteract the America-bashing.


Too many of these are wrong to list. And miost are not "cool".

Some obvious ones are that TV was invented by a British man, Nuclear power was invented by a German and first used in the UK, The computer was invented in Britain, the inventor of the telephone was Scottish... Blah, blah etc etc... and since when has America really been free or democratic?
New York and Jersey
03-12-2004, 01:54
2. America Saved Europe from the Nazis and later from the Soviets - Now that just stuck up! You only came into the war when threatened. You didn't actually care for Europe, you made billions out the war, most countries you "helped" are still in debt from the money you lent them!!! It's not like you did it single handedly!


The Marshall Plan included for forgiving of a significant amount of debt from WWII in order to help rebuild Western Europe and keep it from falling into the hands of the Communists...and the debt from the Marshall Plan was also mostly forgiven..I'm not sure which countries you're talking about but its nothing like the debt owed from the US to other nations..which isnt being forgiven..but hey...you must be right huh?
Shizzleforizzleyo
03-12-2004, 03:53
even if this guy is wrong america is still a economic,political and millitary superpower and as much as everyone hates that it doesn't change the fact that it's true