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Seven minutes George W sat, understandably looking worried and nervous. Our Commander in Chief, the "Leader of the Free World",sat there, continuing with his photo op.

He is the President. In cases of National Security, his voice is final. At his word, the jets protecting the capital could have been scrambled.

"What could he have done?" some people ask. How about proceeding immediately to an area where he could get up-to-the-second updates using state of the art technology? If we're under attack. THAT IS HIS JOB, ISN'T IT?

I don't know whaty information is immediately available to the President, but you know what? NEITHER DID HE! For 7 minutes he didn't, at least.

"He didn't want to scare the children." Scare them with what? What they were going to see on TV over and over again for the next year?? Because children's feelings are more important that the fact that WE ARE UNDER ATTACK?

"He was waiting for more information." Huh? A schoolroom is the best place to wait for info?

When the nation is attacked, it is time for the President to LEAD, and for 7 minutes, George W failed to do that, at exactly when his country needed him the most. He failed to do his job. The most important (to some people) job in the world. He failed.

Bush MUST go.

Appropriate Response:


Bush learns of first attack, nods.

Aide whispers to Bush about the second attack:

OH MY GOD CHILDREN! THEY'VE DONE IT! THEY'VE FINALLY DONE IT! WE'RE GOING TO DIE. WE'RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE. *Bush grabs a kid and lifts him up shaking him* YOU'RE NOT SAFE, I'M NOT SAFE. NO ONE IS SAFE ANYMORE. *Bush drops kid on floor, and starts pacing*


OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO. OKAY BUSH. OKAY. THINK. OH MAN, WHAT IS THINKING GOING TO DO. THEY JUST SHOT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. THE WORLD FUCKING TRADE CENTER.


Would that make you liberals happy?

What about the 30-plus minutes that Kerry, Daschle and a few other Dims spent sitting in an office, from the moment they were notified of the South Tower being hit, to the moment they were summoned to go to shelter? Kerry himself has said that he and the others sat there, dumbstruck, for 30 or so minutes...

Appropriate Response:


Bush learns of first attack, nods.

Aide whispers to Bush about the second attack:

OH MY GOD CHILDREN! THEY'VE DONE IT! THEY'VE FINALLY DONE IT! WE'RE GOING TO DIE. WE'RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE. *Bush grabs a kid and lifts him up shaking him* YOU'RE NOT SAFE, I'M NOT SAFE. NO ONE IS SAFE ANYMORE. *Bush drops kid on floor, and starts pacing*


OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO. OKAY BUSH. OKAY. THINK. OH MAN, WHAT IS THINKING GOING TO DO. THEY JUST SHOT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. THE WORLD FUCKING TRADE CENTER.


Would that make you liberals happy?
actually, that DID lift my spirits imagining Bush doing that...:D

Bush handled 9/11 as well as anyone else in his position. There's only so much HE could have done, and he was right to not cause unnecessary fear until all the facts were known. What should he have done?

Bush handled 9/11 as well as anyone else in his position. There's only so much HE could have done, and he was right to not cause unnecessary fear until all the facts were known. What should he have done?
knocked a kid over and panic

Bush handled 9/11 as well as anyone else in his position. There's only so much HE could have done, and he was right to not cause unnecessary fear until all the facts were known. What should he have done?
Exactly. He handled it as well as anyone could have handled it, considering the audience he was with. Early grade school children are very impressionable...just imagine what would have happened if, as so many on the Left wish, he had stood up and told those children he had to leave. No, he did the right thing...no need to provide those children with more traumatic content on that day.

knocked a kid over and panic

Just start flinging kids out of his way as he rushed towards the door. "OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL DOOMED!! DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!"

Just start flinging kids out of his way as he rushed towards the door. "OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL DOOMED!! DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!"

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks the idea of a politician throwing children around wildly is funny.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks the idea of a politician throwing children around wildly is funny.

I just find the idea of small children flying through the air funny. Doesn't have to be a politician.

I just find the idea of small children flying through the air funny. Doesn't have to be a politician.

... good point. Ahaha, flying kids.

Seven minutes George W sat, understandably looking worried and nervous. Our Commander in Chief, the "Leader of the Free World",sat there, continuing with his photo op.

He is the President. In cases of National Security, his voice is final. At his word, the jets protecting the capital could have been scrambled.

"What could he have done?" some people ask. How about proceeding immediately to an area where he could get up-to-the-second updates using state of the art technology? If we're under attack. THAT IS HIS JOB, ISN'T IT?

I don't know whaty information is immediately available to the President, but you know what? NEITHER DID HE! For 7 minutes he didn't, at least.

"He didn't want to scare the children." Scare them with what? What they were going to see on TV over and over again for the next year?? Because children's feelings are more important that the fact that WE ARE UNDER ATTACK?

"He was waiting for more information." Huh? A schoolroom is the best place to wait for info?

When the nation is attacked, it is time for the President to LEAD, and for 7 minutes, George W failed to do that, at exactly when his country needed him the most. He failed to do his job. The most important (to some people) job in the world. He failed.

Bush MUST go.

Absolutely agreed. Bush Jr failed his leadership test that day. On the other hand, another Republican, showed he did have some leadership. Not that I know much of any negatives people might say about him...I do know he has a past... but on that day...he was what the President should have been.

Understand I'm not saying Kerry would have reacted better were he President. But it wasn't him in office that day to be judged.
It's really sad that this issue, and Bush's actual 'leadership' record are not being debated in the mainstream media. After all, judge him on performance as President most of all. The Vietnam stuff from both sides shouldn't be so much the issue.

No doubt the far right wingers here will turn this into an attack on Kerry...but only one of the candidates has a presidential record up for judgement I'm afraid.

Seven minutes George W sat, understandably looking worried and nervous. Our Commander in Chief, the "Leader of the Free World",sat there, continuing with his photo op.

He is the President. In cases of National Security, his voice is final. At his word, the jets protecting the capital could have been scrambled.

"What could he have done?" some people ask. How about proceeding immediately to an area where he could get up-to-the-second updates using state of the art technology? If we're under attack. THAT IS HIS JOB, ISN'T IT?

I don't know whaty information is immediately available to the President, but you know what? NEITHER DID HE! For 7 minutes he didn't, at least.

"He didn't want to scare the children." Scare them with what? What they were going to see on TV over and over again for the next year?? Because children's feelings are more important that the fact that WE ARE UNDER ATTACK?

"He was waiting for more information." Huh? A schoolroom is the best place to wait for info?

When the nation is attacked, it is time for the President to LEAD, and for 7 minutes, George W failed to do that, at exactly when his country needed him the most. He failed to do his job. The most important (to some people) job in the world. He failed.

Bush MUST go.thats more evidence that Bush was never really a veteran is that he froze under fire on 911--then like the AWOL coward he is he used school kids as human shields--when he finally did act he ran to the defense of SAUDIS while Americans were dying horribly in the streets

What about the 30-plus minutes that Kerry, Daschle and a few other Dims spent sitting in an office, from the moment they were notified of the South Tower being hit, to the moment they were summoned to go to shelter? Kerry himself has said that he and the others sat there, dumbstruck, for 30 or so minutes...

Uh, this has what to do with Bush in any way? Guess what, it's not Kerry or Daschle's job to do anything at that moment. They are not the Commander in Chief of the US Army. No authority was needed from them, nor was any expected. As members of Congress, they are not members of the Executive Branch. REALLY bad argument.

What about the 30-plus minutes that Kerry, Daschle and a few other Dims spent sitting in an office, from the moment they were notified of the South Tower being hit, to the moment they were summoned to go to shelter? Kerry himself has said that he and the others sat there, dumbstruck, for 30 or so minutes...
none of them were commander in chief on 911--Bush abandoned America while it was under direct attack--he went AWOL again

Appropriate Response:


Bush learns of first attack, nods.

Aide whispers to Bush about the second attack:

OH MY GOD CHILDREN! THEY'VE DONE IT! THEY'VE FINALLY DONE IT! WE'RE GOING TO DIE. WE'RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE. *Bush grabs a kid and lifts him up shaking him* YOU'RE NOT SAFE, I'M NOT SAFE. NO ONE IS SAFE ANYMORE. *Bush drops kid on floor, and starts pacing*


OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO. OKAY BUSH. OKAY. THINK. OH MAN, WHAT IS THINKING GOING TO DO. THEY JUST SHOT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. THE WORLD FUCKING TRADE CENTER.


Would that make you liberals happy?

So...you're saying there were only two alternatives that Bush was capable of. Either sit there while the towers are burning, or jump up, screaming and running around in utter panic? What a low opinion of Bush you have.

You are saying our President is unable to make a quick decision, get up in no undue haste, excuse himself politely, head towards the helicoper as every one of his people around him are on their cell phones getting up to the moment information? Pro-actively getting intelligence and status reports like the leader of our country should when we're under attack. Pro-actively is very important here. His 7 minute freeze showed conclusively that he isn't really in command or control.

Wait a minue, you're supporting Bush. Why?

thats more evidence that Bush was never really a veteran is that he froze under fire on 911--then like the AWOL coward he is he used school kids as human shields--when he finally did act he ran to the defense of SAUDIS while Americans were dying horribly in the streets

Ahh, yes I rememeber that day well. That fateful, fateful day.

George Bush was busy entertaining young school children in Florida. He was explaining to them how he was a brilliant war hero, and how he won the Spanish American War.

THEN! All of a sudden, Al-Queda charges at the school guns blazing.

Frightened, Bush grabs two children by the shirts and holds them in front of his face. Absorbing the bullets meant for him.

"Hmmmm..... ZOINK!" Is all he said, as he went running (two more children by the shirts this time, You can't use dead children as body shields, thats just wrong), to Air Force1 parked in the handicapped space in the back of the school.


As Air Force1 took off for Saudia Arabia, where Bush knew he would be safe, the fabled Lizard Man monsters that lived in the Sewers were released to the surface(thanks to the Admra-Medallion being shattered, by Dick Cheney OF COURSE), and bruttaly tore apart the Americans left standing in the streets.


Ah, how could anyone ever forget that day.

Ahh, yes I rememeber that day well. That fateful, fateful day.

George Bush was busy entertaining young school children in Florida. He was explaining to them how he was a brilliant war hero, and how he won the Spanish American War.

THEN! All of a sudden, Al-Queda charges at the school guns blazing.

Frightened, Bush grabs two children by the shirts and holds them in front of his face. Absorbing the bullets meant for him.

"Hmmmm..... ZOINK!" Is all he said, as he went running (two more children by the shirts this time, You can't use dead children as body shields, thats just wrong), to Air Force1 parked in the handicapped space in the back of the school.


As Air Force1 took off for Saudia Arabia, where Bush knew he would be safe, the fabled Lizard Man monsters that lived in the Sewers were released to the surface(thanks to the Admra-Medallion being shattered, by Dick Cheney OF COURSE), and bruttaly tore apart the Americans left standing in the streets.


Ah, how could anyone ever forget that day.

So....your response to a debate is to make up an outlandish story? Be nice if you could perhaps, say, refute his argument instead you know.

So...you're saying there were only two alternatives that Bush was capable of. Either sit there while the towers are burning, or jump up, screaming and running around in utter panic? What a low opinion of Bush you have.

You are saying our President is unable to make a quick decision, get up in no undue haste, excuse himself politely, head towards the helicoper as every one of his people around him are on their cell phones getting up to the moment information? Pro-actively getting intelligence and status reports like the leader of our country should when we're under attack. Pro-actively is very important here. His 7 minute freeze showed conclusively that he isn't really in command or control.

Wait a minue, you're supporting Bush. Why?


Well, in reality, I don't feel there was much Bush could do in that time frame. What's he going to do? Call NORAD?

"Hey guys, whats this plane buisness?"

"Oh, yeah Mr. President. Uhh.. Planes hit the world trade center and Pentagon."

"Oh, okay... so...uh... who did it?"

"We don't know sir."

"Oh...okay...well.....*long pause...* So, uh, how's the wife?"

"Oh, she's all right, you know how it is."

"Yeah, Yeah. Well...if you get anything... like... you know information... you know where to call me."

"Yes sir"



No one knew anything. Asking people what was going on wouldn't have fixed anything. They would tell him, people are dying. And there isn't much you can do right now. Technically, people didn't know it was Osama, right off the bat. Although he was the first suspect to come to mind. Liberals would be screaming their head off, if Bush instantly mobilized the army for Afghanistan in those first 7 minutes. Moore would say that Bush rushed off to war, before he even knew who actually did the evil deed.

So....your response to a debate is to make up an outlandish story? Be nice if you could perhaps, say, refute his argument instead you know.


No, the problem with Ultra's argument is that it didn't make any sense.

I simply took what he said about that day, and then described it like it happened.

I'm sure the real power in the white house was handling things while Bush was trying to figure out where the world trade center actually was.





Oh wait, Cheney was boarding a plane to an 'undisclosed location'.

Well, in reality, I don't feel there was much Bush could do in that time frame. What's he going to do? Call NORAD?

"Hey guys, whats this plane buisness?"

"Oh, yeah Mr. President. Uhh.. Planes hit the world trade center and Pentagon."

"Oh, okay... so...uh... who did it?"

"We don't know sir."

"Oh...okay...well.....*long pause...* So, uh, how's the wife?"

"Oh, she's all right, you know how it is."

"Yeah, Yeah. Well...if you get anything... like... you know information... you know where to call me."

"Yes sir"



No one knew anything. Asking people what was going on wouldn't have fixed anything. They would tell him, people are dying. And there isn't much you can do right now. Technically, people didn't know it was Osama, right off the bat. Although he was the first suspect to come to mind. Liberals would be screaming their head off, if Bush instantly mobilized the army for Afghanistan in those first 7 minutes. Moore would say that Bush rushed off to war, before he even knew who actually did the evil deed.if Bush only read the multiple warnings and very spacifc warning that FBI translator Sibel Edmonds gave him about us being attacked with planes on 911 he may have had a clue--but I forgot, Bush cant read

No, the problem with Ultra's argument is that it didn't make any sense.

I simply took what he said about that day, and then described it like it happened.

Umm, no, it made plenty of sense. True though, it was a rather partisan attack, but then both sides do that.

What you wrote seemed to simply be shrill babble. Offering no defence of the issue. Is that becuase there is nothing to defend?

if Bush only read the multiple warnings and very spacifc warning that FBI translator Sibel Edmonds gave him about us being attacked with planes on 911 he may have had a clue--but I forgot, Bush cant read

Aye. We know for a fact, prior to 9/11 that terrorism was a very low priority on the administrations agenda.

I'd quote sources for that statement, but there are already plenty out there.

Well, in reality, I don't feel there was much Bush could do in that time frame. What's he going to do? Call NORAD?

"Hey guys, whats this plane buisness?"

"Oh, yeah Mr. President. Uhh.. Planes hit the world trade center and Pentagon."

"Oh, okay... so...uh... who did it?"

"We don't know sir."

"Oh...okay...well.....*long pause...* So, uh, how's the wife?"

"Oh, she's all right, you know how it is."

"Yeah, Yeah. Well...if you get anything... like... you know information... you know where to call me."

"Yes sir"



No one knew anything. Asking people what was going on wouldn't have fixed anything. They would tell him, people are dying. And there isn't much you can do right now. Technically, people didn't know it was Osama, right off the bat. Although he was the first suspect to come to mind. Liberals would be screaming their head off, if Bush instantly mobilized the army for Afghanistan in those first 7 minutes. Moore would say that Bush rushed off to war, before he even knew who actually did the evil deed.

Yes call NORAD. And say, "Hey fellers. Anymore of them dang planes lose contact with air traffic control and then start veering away from their route? Yeah? One's headed for Washington, huh? Gee, I better authorize jets to scramble and our Norad defenses armed. Yee Haw!"

The President was AWOL when our national defenses were asking him to authorize a shoot-down order.

Are you saying that a President is powerless when we are attacked? Why do we have a President then? Perhaps if Bush had been a little more proactive before the attacks, he wouldn't have been put in the situation to be frozen for 7 minutes.

How can you even begin to argue that a President's place is in a schoolroom when the nation is under attack? What mental contortions of justification does it take to even think that? I guess Bush really is the master of "lowered expectations." His followers don't really expect him to be able to do anything.

Yes call NORAD. And say, "Hey fellers. Anymore of them dang planes lose contact with air traffic control and then start veering away from their route? Yeah? One's headed for Washington, huh? Gee, I better authorize jets to scramble and our Norad defenses armed. Yee Haw!"

The President was AWOL when our national defenses were asking him to authorize a shoot-down order.

Are you saying that a President is powerless when we are attacked? Why do we have a President then? Perhaps if Bush had been a little more proactive before the attacks, he wouldn't have been put in the situation to be frozen for 7 minutes.

How can you even begin to argue that a President's place is in a schoolroom when the nation is under attack? What mental contortions of justification does it take to even think that? I guess Bush really is the master of "lowered expectations." His followers don't really expect him to be able to do anything.
maybe Bush was scared cause Cheney wasnt there to hold his hand-like he did testifying before the 911 commission so they wouldnt get their storys mixed up

maybe Bush was scared cause Cheney wasnt there to hold his hand-like he did testifying before the 911 commission so they wouldnt get their storys mixed up

Yeah, they were too busy hustling Cheney into a protected location to worry about whether the President was thinking clearly or not. ;) You have to have your priorities.

"Oh My God! Airline Kamikaze Attacks! Washington could be next!! QUick! Ge the Vice-President to safety! The president too, if there's time..."

40 more days and we can all rest easy for another four years as the evil libs will be dead. Oh I almost forgot to call them Hitler and Nazi's, my bad. John Kerry reminds me of Hitler, and all of the dim's are Nazi's, whew. With that out of the way, here is a little reality perspective by Dick Morris that I think Panhandlia found (somebody linked to it). I find this logic much more coherant than 7 MINUTES THE WORLD DIED!

Where was Klintoon when the first bombing occured? Oh yeah, he was to busy with Ruby Ridge and Waco, and Elian Gonzalez to care about the first world trade center bombing, the USS Cole, the Rhiyad Towers, All four embassy bombings, Mogadishu (I never heard him get grilled for denying the troops their own use of their own armor). I could go on and on and on, yet he is the personfication of the best dim President in the history of man. He was even declared black for the swell job he did.

Turn out the lights on your way out libs and dims, the party is just about over, and your boy doesn't stand a snowballs change in Compton of making it to first base with the biggest slut in Washington.

Kerry never had time to make America like him. He won the nomination before anyone really got to know him and has coasted on anti-Bush campaigning ever since. Even now, he relies on the old National Guard records of Bush to animate his campaign, as if we are about to form our judgment of how Bush would be as a commander based on 30-year- old, possibly forged records rather than on our own observation of how he has done the job. But Kerry has got to close the most fundamental gap of his candidacy: Voters don't like him very much.

Yeah, they were too busy hustling Cheney into a protected location to worry about whether the President was thinking clearly or not. ;) You have to have your priorities.

"Oh My God! Airline Kamikaze Attacks! Washington could be next!! QUick! Ge the Vice-President to safety! The president too, if there's time..."
yeah--got to protect the puppetmaster before you protect the puppet ;)

40 more days and we can all rest easy for another four years as the evil libs will be dead. Oh I almost forgot to call them Hitler and Nazi's, my bad. John Kerry reminds me of Hitler, and all of the dim's are Nazi's, whew. With that out of the way, here is a little reality perspective by Dick Morris that I think Panhandlia found (somebody linked to it). I find this logic much more coherant than 7 MINUTES THE WORLD DIED!

Where was Klintoon when the first bombing occured? Oh yeah, he was to busy with Ruby Ridge and Waco, and Elian Gonzalez to care about the first world trade center bombing, the USS Cole, the Rhiyad Towers, All four embassy bombings, Mogadishu (I never heard him get grilled for denying the troops their own use of their own armor). I could go on and on and on, yet he is the personfication of the best dim President in the history of man. He was even declared black for the swell job he did.

Turn out the lights on your way out libs and dims, the party is just about over, and your boy doesn't stand a snowballs change in Compton of making it to first base with the biggest slut in Washington.

Kerry never had time to make America like him. He won the nomination before anyone really got to know him and has coasted on anti-Bush campaigning ever since. Even now, he relies on the old National Guard records of Bush to animate his campaign, as if we are about to form our judgment of how Bush would be as a commander based on 30-year- old, possibly forged records rather than on our own observation of how he has done the job. But Kerry has got to close the most fundamental gap of his candidacy: Voters don't like him very much.

Seriously, what does Clinton have to do with Bush freezing up. You're dodging the subject.

What do the possible forgeries have to do with this? NOTHING.

Is your argument so weak that you have to change the subject?

I like Kerry just fine. Still has nothing to do with the fact that Bush failed.

It seems to me, aside from the distractions, the whole case for Bush freezing boils down to the fact that his supporters think that the President didn't have the power to do anything. The President. The man with his finger on the button. The man in charge of the most powerful military on the planet was powerless. How can you not see what utter nonsense this is?

Yes call NORAD. And say, "Hey fellers. Anymore of them dang planes lose contact with air traffic control and then start veering away from their route? Yeah? One's headed for Washington, huh? Gee, I better authorize jets to scramble and our Norad defenses armed. Yee Haw!"

The President was AWOL when our national defenses were asking him to authorize a shoot-down order.

Are you saying that a President is powerless when we are attacked? Why do we have a President then? Perhaps if Bush had been a little more proactive before the attacks, he wouldn't have been put in the situation to be frozen for 7 minutes.

How can you even begin to argue that a President's place is in a schoolroom when the nation is under attack? What mental contortions of justification does it take to even think that? I guess Bush really is the master of "lowered expectations." His followers don't really expect him to be able to do anything.

We already know planes were launched to stop the jets, but they were too late.

We already know planes were launched to stop the jets, but they were too late.

exactly my point.

No, the point isn't necessarily what he didn't do, it's what he DID do.

I'm not necessarily sure any of you have any points...

Blah blah evil libs Yada yada Kerry reminds me of Hitler, blah blah
yada yada Ruby Ridge and Waco, mumble grumble the USS Cole, the Rhiyad Towers, All four embassy bombings, Mogadishu blah blah bullshit
yadaa yada we're gonna win and you're not

Kerry blah blah bash trash yada yada don't like him very much.

From the Desk Of Commandant Perrien SOTG USMCAh, so that's your problem. A lot of my family was in the corp. Most of them are assholes too.

Seven minutes George W sat, understandably looking worried and nervous. Our Commander in Chief, the "Leader of the Free World",sat there, continuing with his photo op.

He is the President. In cases of National Security, his voice is final. At his word, the jets protecting the capital could have been scrambled.

"What could he have done?" some people ask. How about proceeding immediately to an area where he could get up-to-the-second updates using state of the art technology? If we're under attack. THAT IS HIS JOB, ISN'T IT?

I don't know whaty information is immediately available to the President, but you know what? NEITHER DID HE! For 7 minutes he didn't, at least.

"He didn't want to scare the children." Scare them with what? What they were going to see on TV over and over again for the next year?? Because children's feelings are more important that the fact that WE ARE UNDER ATTACK?

"He was waiting for more information." Huh? A schoolroom is the best place to wait for info?

When the nation is attacked, it is time for the President to LEAD, and for 7 minutes, George W failed to do that, at exactly when his country needed him the most. He failed to do his job. The most important (to some people) job in the world. He failed.

Bush MUST go.

What would you prefer, a president that was alway in control? An obsessive dictator that alway had the facts, not only at his disposal, but as they happened?

What no screening that this might just be a Satallite launched, or a plane with a malfunction? *Play with you puters much and you'll get used to them*

What, GOD in the white house?

We are close enough to that already.