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And I had a little something to do with it.

I just got home and read about it--Timothy Noah, who writes a column for Slate posted this story earlier today. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2106714/) It tells the story of Lynne Gobbell, much in the same way that I did a couple of days both here, on my blog, (http://incertus.blogspot.com) and over at the Daily Kos. (http://incertus.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/13/22340/7080) Guess which website Noah credits with giving the story some legs?

Sorry, it wasn't Nationstates. It was Kos's place, which isn't surprising considering their high political profile.

But here's the great part of the story.The story was picked up by Daily Kos, a political Web log, and spread quickly around the Web. By this morning, Geddes, who has declined to comment publicly on the matter, had apparently had enough of the bad publicity. Through an intermediary, he offered Gobbell an apology and said she could have her old job back. But Gobbell said she wouldn't return without some written guarantee that Geddes wouldn't turn around and fire her once he was out of the spotlight. Then, late this afternoon, Kerry himself phoned Gobbell. "He was telling me how proud he was that I stood up," Gobbell told me. "He'd read the part where Phil said I could either work for him or work for John Kerry. He said, 'you let him know you're working for me as of today.' I was just so shocked."

So she's got a job again, and I feel good inside as a result. For anyone and everyone here who answered my call to write letters to the editor, to contact the owner of the company, even to tell someone you know about this story, thank you. My part was a small one--the people on the internet who gave enough of a shit about an injustice done to a woman few knew and few will likely meet did the heavy lifting here, and the credit belongs to all of you.

Lol, that was quite a nice move by Kerry.

when i jsut read that the game nerd in me feels like going "0WN3D"

aww.. i'm so happy that things worked out so micely for her. :)

it's always good when shitty situations are remedied.

Now that's the kind of person who deserves to be president!

Now that's the kind of person who deserves to be president!

I agree. This isn't the first time that Kerry had really made me think, "You know, despite all the bad press (caused by Bush supporters) I honestly think John Kerry is a really decent, intelligent guy."

Now that's the kind of person who deserves to be president!
ten days later shes making house calls and insulting bush about something that had only a little to do with him, no it's not.

I agree. This isn't the first time that Kerry had really made me think, "You know, despite all the bad press (caused by Bush supporters) I honestly think John Kerry is a really decent, intelligent guy."
Thats total BS we don't have much press at all, and we only have one news station life sucks.

i suppose being stubborn over a bumper sticker qualifies her for the job...

Wow--for you people giving Kerry shit over this, is there anything the guy could do that would make you even consider that he's a decent human being? He gave the woman a job because she stood up for her right to express herself in support of him. If he hadn't offered her a job, I'd have been busting his balls. What does he have to do for you people?

Nice job Incertonia! I don't know that I wouldn't be able to stop myself from walking around pointing menacingly while saying in a shrill voice, "Feel my power!!!"

Is it opportunistic of Kerry? Yes, but isn't it nice for once to see somebody take the opportunity to do something good?

Wow--for you people giving Kerry shit over this, is there anything the guy could do that would make you even consider that he's a decent human being? He gave the woman a job because she stood up for her right to express herself in support of him. If he hadn't offered her a job, I'd have been busting his balls. What does he have to do for you people?

Well, to start he'd have to give up. If we vote for Kerry we all die... he doesn't even want to support us against terrorists. Does anyone here have relatives from 9/11? Well, some of us do and if Kerry was president everyone would have dead relatives from something similar... ok? So just know that there is reasons we vote for Bush... ok?

Wow--for you people giving Kerry shit over this, is there anything the guy could do that would make you even consider that he's a decent human being? He gave the woman a job because she stood up for her right to express herself in support of him. If he hadn't offered her a job, I'd have been busting his balls. What does he have to do for you people?

If I went to work with a Yankees sticker and got fired, I wouldn't expect to end up wearing pinstripes...it seems, well, silly...

Like Force from star wars? If so, allow me to convert you to the Dark Side.

Well, to start he'd have to give up. If we vote for Kerry we all die... he doesn't even want to support us against terrorists. Does anyone here have relatives from 9/11? Well, some of us do and if Kerry was president everyone would have dead relatives from something similar... ok? So just know that there is reasons we vote for Bush... ok?
That's about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on these forums, and you're up against some pretty stiff opposition.

Well, to start he'd have to give up. If we vote for Kerry we all die... he doesn't even want to support us against terrorists. Does anyone here have relatives from 9/11? Well, some of us do and if Kerry was president everyone would have dead relatives from something similar... ok? So just know that there is reasons we vote for Bush... ok?
No offense mate but none of that makes any credible sense. In no way would Kerry being elected automatically mean doom.
As for the 'relatives from 9/11' argument, I recall a number of them endrosing kerry just a few days ago.

Well, to start he'd have to give up. If we vote for Kerry we all die... he doesn't even want to support us against terrorists. Does anyone here have relatives from 9/11? Well, some of us do and if Kerry was president everyone would have dead relatives from something similar... ok? So just know that there is reasons we vote for Bush... ok?

Sigh. When you look at the big picture, it is Bush who has made us less safe. There are probably 10X more people in the Middle East willing to die in order to hurt America. If you want safety, you'd better vote Kerry, who has plans for safety that extend beyond just trying to blow people up.

Nice job Incertonia! I don't know that I wouldn't be able to stop myself from walking around pointing menacingly while saying in a shrill voice, "Feel my power!!!"

Is it opportunistic of Kerry? Yes, but isn't it nice for once to see somebody take the opportunity to do something good?Aww--twarn't nothing. The story told itself--all I did was repeat what two others had already written. I just repeated it in a couple of places filled with loudmouths who knew how to make people's lives miserable. The real credit goes to the reporter who wrote the story, the person who forwarded it to the Daily Rotten, and the guys at the Daily Rotten who ran with it.

Like Force from star wars? If so, allow me to convert you to the Dark Side.

Not at all....but I am sure I'm already there

Good for her. That job, temporary as it is, should help her stay on her feet, at least until she can find a real job. Maybe on this, and further jobs, she will realize that having a job is not a right, and that the First Amendment doesn't apply whe.n she works for someone other than herself. After all, how long would I last at a job with the Kerry campaign (yeah, like THAT would happen!!) with a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car?

Exactly.

Well, to start he'd have to give up. If we vote for Kerry we all die... he doesn't even want to support us against terrorists. Does anyone here have relatives from 9/11? Well, some of us do and if Kerry was president everyone would have dead relatives from something similar... ok? So just know that there is reasons we vote for Bush... ok?

bush wants to waste billions on building a star wars missile defense shield that seems quite unfeasable so far. i think your tax money (and hell mine since martin will play along, the idiot) would be better spent on feasable methods of defense rather than on some stupid plan to put weapons in space.

hell, perhaps they could spend that money on exploring space... what a novel concept.

After all, how long would I last at a job with the Kerry campaign (yeah, like THAT would happen!!) with a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car?

Exactly.

That's a pretty assinine comparisson. She wasn't working for the Bush campaign. She was working for a factory, and she had a bumper sticker on her car. There's no reason you should expect to be fired because of your political affiliation.

If Kerry is anything like his former boss Clintoon he'll just use her for a blow job anyways. With a wife like Thersa Hindz who would blame him, I'm pretty sure she bites.

What is she going to do for KErry in less than 60 days? He won't exaclty have a job himself. Oh sure, he will still draw an income from that Senate seat, but he hasn't worked there in years.

If Kerry is anything like his former boss Clintoon he'll just use her for a blow job anyways. With a wife like Thersa Hindz who would blame him, I'm pretty sure she bites.

What is she going to do for KErry in less than 60 days? He won't exaclty have a job himself. Oh sure, he will still draw an income from that Senate seat, but he hasn't worked there in years.

So, was the brain damage you suffered the result of a self-inflicted injury, an accident, or the result of several generations of inbreeding?

That's a pretty assinine comparisson. She wasn't working for the Bush campaign. She was working for a factory, and she had a bumper sticker on her car. There's no reason you should expect to be fired because of your political affiliation.
Maybe so. But you also must remember, when you work for someone other than yourself (privately owned company,) the higher-ups have control of whether or not you have a job. Remember the Golden Rule of Business: "whoever has the gold, gets to make the rules."

The First Amendment does not apply inside a privately owned company.

bush wants to waste billions on building a star wars missile defense shield that seems quite unfeasable so far. i think your tax money (and hell mine since martin will play along, the idiot) would be better spent on feasable methods of defense rather than on some stupid plan to put weapons in space.

hell, perhaps they could spend that money on exploring space... what a novel concept.

Don't forget "Faith-Based Initiative." Bush spends far too much for a conservative.

Besides space exploration, there's also stem-cell research, but Bush's religion forbids him from allowing technology to advance.

The First Amendment does not apply inside a privately owned company.

Where the hell does it apply, then? "Free Speech Zones"? Geddes was infringing on the woman's personal property.

Come to think of it, the First Amendment doesn't seem to apply most places anymore.

Oh sure, he will still draw an income from that Senate seat, but he hasn't worked there in years.

What does that even mean? I've never been dissapointed with the way Kerry has represented me in the Senate. (Kennedy on the other hand....)

If Kerry is anything like his former boss Clintoon he'll just use her for a blow job anyways. With a wife like Thersa Hindz who would blame him, I'm pretty sure she bites.Now this is uncalled-for. Really.

What is she going to do for KErry in less than 60 days? He won't exaclty have a job himself. Oh sure, he will still draw an income from that Senate seat, but he hasn't worked there in years.
Now that makes a little more sense. Even if Kerry were to win (and, right now that doesn't seem likely, but there are 49 days left for CBS to produce more fakes,) the campaign will be over on November 3rd...adios, job!

What does that even mean? I've never been dissapointed with the way Kerry has represented me in the Senate. (Kennedy on the other hand....)
Got nothing to complain about, I see.

Got nothing to complain about, I see.

I hate that Teddy gets re-elected every 6 years for no other reason than we're completely unable to get over JFK and RFK.

So, was the brain damage you suffered the result of a self-inflicted injury, an accident, or the result of several generations of inbreeding?

No, I've read how to argue with a Liberal, and discovered there is no point in making a point. I think you understood my point much better by just whinning and stomping like a child, accomplishing nothing and allowing you to feel superior. I'm just trying to help you feel good about yourself, so you can stop trying to be black, gay or a Democrat.

Did it work?


:upyours:

No, I've read how to argue with a Liberal, and discovered there is no point in making a point. I think you understood my point much better by just whinning and stomping like a child, accomplishing nothing and allowing you to feel superior. I'm just trying to help you feel good about yourself, so you can stop trying to be black, gay or a Democrat.

Did it work?


:upyours:

You know, the mature thing to do would have been to not stoop to his level.

Ad Hominem = Doubleplusungood.

Stop.

Also, "liberal" is not a perjorative.

You know, the mature thing to do would have been to not stoop to his level.

Who is stooping? Fire with fire ya know, equality and all? You know, your the masters of acceptance, equality and tolerance...stop whinning about it and simply smile....roll with it buddy, try really hard and you can do it...

Actually, let's give you about 50-60 years to try and get over it...that way it will be like Welfare and Affirmative Action, just last forever and ever

I hate that Teddy gets re-elected every 6 years for no other reason than we're completely unable to get over JFK and RFK.
And I suppose John F'ing Kerry doesn't use that to his advantage either.

Even if Kerry were to win (and, right now that doesn't seem likely, but there are 49 days left for CBS to produce more fakes,) the campaign will be over on November 3rd...adios, job!
Well, considering that Bush's miniscule bounce has all but evaporated, the outcome is very much in doubt regardless of what comes out regarding the memos (which while their construction seems to be questionable, their content does not).

But I'm sure Ms. Gobbels will find longer term employment afterwards. There are still a few Democrats in Alabama, and some of them even own businesses. Hard to believe, I know, since apparently we all manage to survive by suckling at the public teat according to most right-wingers, but it is nonetheless true.

Who is stooping? Fire with fire ya know, equality and all? You know, your the masters of acceptance, equality and tolerance...stop whinning about it and simply smile....roll with it buddy, try really hard and you can do it...

Actually, let's give you about 50-60 years to try and get over it...that way it will be like Welfare and Affirmative Action, just last forever and ever

Your comebacks make little sense. You're also assuming he's a *gasp* liberal.

And I suppose John F'ing Kerry doesn't use that to his advantage either.

Perhaps, but I know that at least Kerry runs on issues when he runs for Senate. Kennedy hasn't campaigned on an issue for 20 years up here, because he's so untouchable that the state Republican party doesn't even try to field a candidate against him. He uses his immunity to promote extra-liberal policies that we don't necessarily agree with because he knows no matter what stances he takes, he'll be re-elected. I mean, look a few years ago when Mitt Romney ran against him. Romney got annihilated, and now he's our governor. Obviously we liked him, but he ran against Kennedy, so it was suicide. I just don't understand it.

Your comebacks make little sense. You're also assuming he's a *gasp* liberal.

He can understand me just fine. One mans assumptions are another mans facts. Get your facts straight!

And I had a little something to do with it.

I just got home and read about it--Timothy Noah, who writes a column for Slate posted this story earlier today. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2106714/) It tells the story of Lynne Gobbell, much in the same way that I did a couple of days both here, on my blog, (http://incertus.blogspot.com) and over at the Daily Kos. (http://incertus.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/13/22340/7080) Guess which website Noah credits with giving the story some legs?

Sorry, it wasn't Nationstates. It was Kos's place, which isn't surprising considering their high political profile.

But here's the great part of the story.

So she's got a job again, and I feel good inside as a result. For anyone and everyone here who answered my call to write letters to the editor, to contact the owner of the company, even to tell someone you know about this story, thank you. My part was a small one--the people on the internet who gave enough of a shit about an injustice done to a woman few knew and few will likely meet did the heavy lifting here, and the credit belongs to all of you.

Bravo!

I think the way this story turned out is pretty neat. :)

Bravo!

I think the way this story turned out is pretty neat. :)
...if only temporarily.

No, I've read how to argue with a Liberal, and discovered there is no point in making a point. I think you understood my point much better by just whinning and stomping like a child, accomplishing nothing and allowing you to feel superior. I'm just trying to help you feel good about yourself, so you can stop trying to be black, gay or a Democrat.

Did it work?


:upyours:

See the reason I made the comment in the first place was because you were ad hominem attacking Clinton, Kerry, Teresa H Kerry, and all liberals, I just thought it would be nice to let you know what the filth you were spewing felt like when it's directed at you.

See, when you go ad hominem in your arguments, I feel perfectly justified in going ad hominem on your ass. Hopefully, you'll eventually learn how to play nice. Until then, I will continue to point out what an irritating, unpopped pimple on the ass of humanity you really are.

See the reason I made the comment in the first place was because you were ad hominem attacking Clinton, Kerry, Teresa H Kerry, and all liberals, I just thought it would be nice to let you know what the filth you were spewing felt like when it's directed at you.

See, when you go ad hominem in your arguments, I feel perfectly justified in going ad hominem on your ass. Hopefully, you'll eventually learn how to play nice. Until then, I will continue to point out what an irritating, unpopped pimple on the ass of humanity you really are.
Pot, please shake hands with Kettle.

See the reason I made the comment in the first place was because you were ad hominem attacking Clinton, Kerry, Teresa H Kerry, and all liberals, I just thought it would be nice to let you know what the filth you were spewing felt like when it's directed at you.

See, when you go ad hominem in your arguments, I feel perfectly justified in going ad hominem on your ass. Hopefully, you'll eventually learn how to play nice. Until then, I will continue to point out what an irritating, unpopped pimple on the ass of humanity you really are.Don't bother--if I learned anything about Perrien in the other thread on this subject, it's that he/she uses anything slightly negative said by someone he/she perceives to be liberal as proof of the continual domination of liberal thought over that of conservative victims. Never mind that conservatives dominate all three branches of the federal government and the media--they're the victims of us horrible, out of power liberals.

Pot, please shake hands with Kettle.

Nice. Original too. Completely misses my point. I will make this pledge to you. I'll do my best to insure you will not see me use ad hominem attacks on ANYONE, unless it's in response to one just made. As long as you can keep to the rules of proper argument, you will not be insulted by me.

Of course, everyone slips, so if I stumble here and there, then I invite you all to jump on me to correct me.

If someone can't play nice, then I'll do my best to humiliate that person, hopefully in a humorous way though.

Enjoy.

Don't bother--if I learned anything about Perrien in the other thread on this subject, it's that he/she uses anything slightly negative said by someone he/she perceives to be liberal as proof of the continual domination of liberal thought over that of conservative victims. Never mind that conservatives dominate all three branches of the federal government and the media--they're the victims of us horrible, out of power liberals.

Well, just call me James CArville or Paul Bagala...

Nice. Original too. Completely misses my point. I will make this pledge to you. I'll do my best to insure you will not see me use ad hominem attacks on ANYONE, unless it's in response to one just made. As long as you can keep to the rules of proper argument, you will not be insulted by me.

Of course, everyone slips, so if I stumble here and there, then I invite you all to jump on me to correct me.

If someone can't play nice, then I'll do my best to humiliate that person, hopefully in a humorous way though.

Enjoy.
Oh, trust me...I don't think you were any more over-the-top than Perrien was. And that, exactly, is MY point. I got yours...I am not sure you got mine. Ad-hominem attacks are wrong, regardless of who makes them or who the target is. I believe you might recall my posting to Perrien that his sophomorical line on Kerry/Clinton/bj's/etc was uncalled-for.

Well, just call me James CArville or Paul Bagala...
Unfortunately for you, your little blast regarding Clinton and his Monica-escapades, did put you on the same level as Begala and Carville. It was certainly uncalled-for.

Unfortunately for you, your little blast regarding Clinton and his Monica-escapades, did put you on the same level as Begala and Carville. It was certainly uncalled-for.
Oooh--that's gonna leave a mark.

Oh, trust me...I don't think you were any more over-the-top than Perrien was. And that, exactly, is MY point. I got yours...I am not sure you got mine. Ad-hominem attacks are wrong, regardless of who makes them or who the target is. I believe you might recall my posting to Perrien that his sophomorical line on Kerry/Clinton/bj's/etc was uncalled-for.

Sophomoric? Where was I factually wrong? As usual, you run from the facts when they are not pleasing to YOUR point of view...but Bush is still Hitler and I'm still a Nazi...the truth is, neither of us are either of those, and Clintoon will always be the blow job king of little girls.

Good night John Boy...out...

I do believe that Perrien has officially reached MKULTRA status, aka irrelevancy.

Sophomoric? Where was I factually wrong? As usual, you run from the facts when they are not pleasing to YOUR point of view...but Bush is still Hitler and I'm still a Nazi...the truth is, neither of us are either of those, and Clintoon will always be the blow job king of little girls.

Good night John Boy...out...
Regardless of the factual content...and believe me, I am no Clinton lover...there truly was no need to reach down to that section of the file. There are plenty other reasons to find either Clinton or Kerry undesirable as candidates for public office.

Oooh--that's gonna leave a mark.
Sorry, Perrien definitely earned it. That Clinton/Kerry/Monica blast was not necessary.

Sorry, Perrien definitely earned it. That Clinton/Kerry/Monica blast was not necessary.
Don't be sorry--I've slammed MKULTRA enough times to know exactly where you're coming from. We may not agree on much, Panhandlia, but I'm glad to see you call bullshit on someone who is ostensibly on your side.

Don't be sorry--I've slammed MKULTRA enough times to know exactly where you're coming from. We may not agree on much, Panhandlia, but I'm glad to see you call bullshit on someone who is ostensibly on your side.

Hear, hear!

(applause)

Hear, hear!

(applause)
We ocassionally do agree...bullshit IS bullshit, regardless of who is offering it.

It is up to us to point it out when we see it, and too bad if we offend the bullshitter (which explains why RedArrow responds like the Pavlovian dog to anything I type.)

Well well... I've been enjoying the reading on this thread. A truely interesting one you have here. It's got all the elements of suspense and conflict that make any story great. And might I also say that the cast has been marvelous.

People who are logical, idealistic, fanatical, or bull-headed... yet all of which are never quite extreme enough to warrant caricaturization. It's wonderfully in depth and realistic.

Actually... I suppose the realism could be accounted for by the fact that these actually are real people typing real opinions. The anger... the sorrow... the pure, raw, and unfettered emotional conflicts of the people involved... how wonderfully dramatic!

I breifly considered responding to a few people on this thread but I leave you instead with this thought/well wishing...

May all your opinions make sense to you, and may you some day be able to perceive the opinions of others as well.

PS: It's easier than it looks.

Y'know I always thought that the conservative position on government was small, local government. So how does creating the Homeland Security Dept. shrink government?

There's nobody I really agree with this year. Bush pursues his reckless foreign policy, and Kerry's not too much better. I suppose he's not Bush, but so are 5.99 billion people in this world. Badnarik has taken some definitely un-Libertarian views - "put inmates under forced bed rest for 30 days so their muscles will atrophy and they'll be easier to control"? No thanks. And I'm not voting for Nader, ever. I'll just laugh at him as I go buy a Corvair.