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Craig

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Point your drug-related questions towards Canada. Decriminalization of marijuana keeps users out of jail, and funds the crackdown of grow/dealing operations. In my city alone, the police force has confiscated over 100 million dollars worth of marijuana in a year, and my taxes aren't going to keeping some guy with a 1/2 ounce in their pocket in prison for 4 years.

This also allows more resurces to be directed towards cocaine, meth and heroin dealers.

The way i see it :

(and i'm from the Netherlands)

The softdrugs like cannabis should be legalized. I never ever met anyone who got aggressive by taking it. Like booze .. which causes people to get violent and aggressive.

It is a social and relaxing thing to do. There is only so much negative news about it. I have friends who use cannabis and they go to uni so ..
It all depands on how you deal with it. If you don't make it an adiction there is no problem. But that goes for everything in life.. right

For me it was a lifesaver, i use it because i have chronical pains in my spine.
And i rather use this then the muscle-relaxers.

The hard-drugs should be fought against. But in a different way.
Because now the money spend on it is almost going directly to the people who make it possible to produce it.

btw. How can you judge something you know nothing about ?

Just do what they do with alcohol and tabacco.
Legalise it, and make it more and more expensive.
Gov makes money (taxes, no chasing of drug dealers, etc)
Stoners are happy. (beam me up scotty!)
anti-drug people are happy (gives 'em something to bitch about)

Let's make people happy and legalise weed!!!!

The way i see it :

(and i'm from the Netherlands)

The softdrugs like cannabis should be legalized. I never ever met anyone who got aggressive by taking it. Like booze .. which causes people to get violent and aggressive.

It is a social and relaxing thing to do. There is only so much negative news about it. I have friends who use cannabis and they go to uni so ..
It all depands on how you deal with it. If you don't make it an adiction there is no problem. But that goes for everything in life.. right

For me it was a lifesaver, i use it because i have chronical pains in my spine.
And i rather use this then the muscle-relaxers.

The hard-drugs should be fought against. But in a different way.
Because now the money spend on it is almost going directly to the people who make it possible to produce it.

btw. How can you judge something you know nothing about ?

I agree with you. I also would like to point out that drugs are just a cultural thing again. Alcohol, tobacco and coffee are drugs, but legalized. Marijuana and coke are banned 'cos they are not originally European drugs. Alcohol causes huge problems in many countries but we deal with it. I think we could deal with marijuana as well. And I have to say that I don't smoke (anything) myself.

Here's an interesting FAQ arguing in favor of decriminalization: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3418#question5

...and here's a nice database of cultural, historic, scientific, and legal facts on practically any drug: http://www.erowid.org/

I think all drugs should be leaglized. It's sort of poinltess to discriminate in that regard. I dont think it should be within the government's pervue to say "You can have nicotine, you can have caffiene, but you cant have marijuana or cocaine." When you get right down to it, controlling drug use is essentially controlling what goes on in your mind. It's a form of mind control. You'd think that as citizens of a "Free" country, we'd have the right to do whatever we wanted with the contents of our brain.

Guess not.

I'll not argue for a second that drugs aren't bad for you. But freedom is more important to me than other people's health, or even mine. I don't think it's productive to continue this crusade. We've declared a war on drugs, and now there's more drugs. Good job DEA.

FYI: In Canada, both Cocaine and Heroin can be used/taken legally in some circumstances, all medical-related.

The War on Drugs is terrible, but the solution is not decriminalization, it is putting users into rehab.

Marijuana should be legal for medical and industrial purposes (hemp) but not recreational.

Marijuana should be legal for medical and industrial purposes (hemp) but not recreational.

I hope you feel the same way about alcohol and nicotine (which are a bit more unhealthy, dangerous, and addictive than marijuana). Oh, and fast food while we're at it.

What about personal choice, responsibility, and freedom? There are no victims here. Should the government really have control over our own minds and bodies?

Oi.. you.. no!


No one I know in RL is alowed to invade my turf. Actually the fact that I didn't notice you for 33 posts probably shows how apathetic I am to these forums despite being near 3k in post count...

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The abbreviation isn't as good as "The War Against Terror."

However, I think it is a pointless 'war' as it is not as if you can get a decisive victory.

I hope you feel the same way about alcohol and nicotine (which are a bit more unhealthy, dangerous, and addictive than marijuana). Oh, and fast food while we're at it.

What about personal choice, responsibility, and freedom? There are no victims here. Should the government really have control over our own minds and bodies?
I have no problem with putting alcohol and nicotine users into rehab.

Sure there are, the person who's breathing a marijuana user's secondhand smoke is a victim.

I think all drugs should be leaglized. It's sort of poinltess to discriminate in that regard. I dont think it should be within the government's pervue to say "You can have nicotine, you can have caffiene, but you cant have marijuana or cocaine." When you get right down to it, controlling drug use is essentially controlling what goes on in your mind. It's a form of mind control. You'd think that as citizens of a "Free" country, we'd have the right to do whatever we wanted with the contents of our brain.

Guess not.

I'll not argue for a second that drugs aren't bad for you. But freedom is more important to me than other people's health, or even mine. I don't think it's productive to continue this crusade. We've declared a war on drugs, and now there's more drugs. Good job DEA.

All these drugs used to be legal a few decades ago. Legalize them all. Regulate quality, tax them. Spend the Billions saved on drug education and drug rehab.

I personally don't smoke anything, nor do I drink alcohol (a personal choice,
nothing religious or anything like that), but I've seen the results of the use of
both. I like the idea of any addicts - alcohol, nicotine, caffeine (though that
would mean the end of my drinking Pepsi), other drugs - in rehab. Unfortunately
that's not currently a very valid option. *sigh*

Legalization makes it harder for the criminal underworld to deal in it!!! why should you buy a joint from a criminal for 7.5 when the government charges 3.5! I mean why should you stop people from poluting themselves if its their choise. Governments can also raise tax on weed so why not? It will Super boost your nations income. You will have to make strict rules about; how much, only adults or the whole bunch, special cafe's zones (guarded by camera's) where you are allowed to smoke.. (dutch: cofee shops). It's the people's choise..

I like the idea of any addicts - alcohol, nicotine, caffeine (though that
would mean the end of my drinking Pepsi),
Drink caffeine free, I do. :)

Originally Posted by The not so
The way i see it :

(and i'm from the Netherlands)

The softdrugs like cannabis should be legalized. I never ever met anyone who got aggressive by taking it. Like booze .. which causes people to get violent and aggressive.

It is a social and relaxing thing to do. There is only so much negative news about it. I have friends who use cannabis and they go to uni so ..
It all depands on how you deal with it. If you don't make it an adiction there is no problem. But that goes for everything in life.. right

For me it was a lifesaver, i use it because i have chronical pains in my spine.
And i rather use this then the muscle-relaxers.

The hard-drugs should be fought against. But in a different way.
Because now the money spend on it is almost going directly to the people who make it possible to produce it.

btw. How can you judge something you know nothing about ?


YOU ROCK MAN!! NEDERLAND voor altijd...

Do you know what the province of British Columia' biggest export is? Yup, marijuana.

In case no one recalls, the "war on drugs" was already lost in the late 80's. I would be okay with making weed legal and sold the same way cigarettes and alcohol is sold. (as in not to minors) plus there would be a ton of money to be made in taxes for the government. However, I couldn't and would never agree to make hard drugs legal. The tax revenue could go into programs like rehab to help people who use hard drugs get off of them. That's my opinion on the matter. Although to really believe the war on drugs wasn't already lost a long time ago is naive at best..

I would say it only makes criminals richer and doesnt stop the flow of drugs at all obviously. However I wouldnt want to legalize drugs either. That is as retarded as making a war on them. I would say it needs to be looked at as something that people will do (like alcohol) and try to regulate it as best as we can. It wont be regulated as it is now with a complete ban. Because there is no regulation as it is now lol and any person can go into any town in the US (even ones with less than 500 people, because I grew up in one of those towns) and find whatever drug of thier choice. It was a feel good law similiar to so many other of our Bans that do nothing but make the black market thrive much more than before the ban was in place and more available as well. If eventually people learn moderation then things could become more and more relaxed with the more eduaction people get out there besides the education of 'dont do it' so then every teenager and anyother rebellios person tries it out.

Also when speaking of drugs like heroin and meth and any other hard drugs. I think those are where I draw the line on regulation as far as allowing it to happen. These are not just drive takers but life takers and I mean more than just the life that is using them.

Drugs like marijuana should be legalized for medical use in all 50 states (and have a strict criteria of what should be met) and like someone else said the male plants should be utilized as a industrial hemp product.

Also when I speak of medical marijuana I think it should be regulated very strongly for the patients, otherwise you get one patient that has the criminal intent and all hell has broken lose. That is why I am actually against the patient growing it or anything like it. It is to easy and to much incentive for some dipshit to start breaking the law. Laws should be there to deter not invite. So I say it should be handled like any other prescription drug.. You get a thirty day supply for what your doctor has reccomended and if you go over that then you would need approval by your doctor.... why should any prescription not be allowed to be treated as every single other prescription?

The War on Drugs is terrible, but the solution is not decriminalization, it is putting users into rehab.

Marijuana should be legal for medical and industrial purposes (hemp) but not recreational.


If they discovered alcohol today it would it be legalised ?

Marijuana is a safe drug but the solid form (canabis resin) is seriously damaging peoples lungs as i was a heavy smoker with a few pals and we smoked it for about 4-5 years straight and recently ive started coughing up resin ..

This is very bad news - if it was the actual plant we had smoked then it would have such a lesser effect i doubt i would of caughed up anything at all.

FYI: In Canada, both Cocaine and Heroin can be used/taken legally in some circumstances, all medical-related.

what?

*is from canada*

*is confused*

Legalization makes it harder for the criminal underworld to deal in it!!! why should you buy a joint from a criminal for 7.5 when the government charges 3.5! I mean why should you stop people from poluting themselves if its their choise. Governments can also raise tax on weed so why not? It will Super boost your nations income. You will have to make strict rules about; how much, only adults or the whole bunch, special cafe's zones (guarded by camera's) where you are allowed to smoke.. (dutch: cofee shops). It's the people's choise..

i think if they legalize it, they should allow people to grow their own plants for non-sale purposes. personally, i'd rather share it with friends than buy it off the government.

The War on Drugs is terrible, but the solution is not decriminalization, it is putting users into rehab.

Marijuana should be legal for medical and industrial purposes (hemp) but not recreational.

ok, let's compare marijuana with alcohol another legal, recreational drug, shall we?

brain effects: alcohol usage: bad for you, can cause permanent damage. marijuana: can caues temporary loss of short term memory, and drops in iq of 3 points, which are regained if one abstains from pot for a month or so (depending on the frequency and length of usage)

death from overdose: alcohol: the ratio from drunkeness to death is 1:9. if three shots get you drunk, 9 will kill you. there are many alcohol-related deaths. marijuana: the ratio of high-ness to death is 1:40,000. it is physically impossible to die from an overdose of marijuana, not only would that require a lot of weed, but by the time you even got close you would be on your way to weed nap town.

behaviour: alcohol: while many drunks are well behaved, there are a number of people who become violent, start fights, smash things with no reason et c. marijuana: i have never heard of someone becoming violent on marijuana, it's generally a very calming, giggly drug, so long as you don't operate heavy machinery or drive shorlty afterwards it isn't a problem (but then the same goes with alcohol)

yeah, if you force recreational marijuana users into rehab, then you should send recreational users of alcohol there too.

and let's not get started on nicotine...

Here in Oregon we will be voting (the people) on a medical marijuana initiative.
Right now under our laws we allow the patient to grow thier own and have up to 3 ounces in thier homes and up to 1 ounce on them anywhere in the state.

Under the new initiative it will allow the patient to have up to 6 pounds and up to 1 pound with them. I actually know Medical marijuana patients that will be voting against this measure. I think it is fairly obvious that this is a scapegoat for the criminal patients to sale thier products at mass quanity's. It happens as it is now so I know it will be way worse if this law passes. That is why I think the Government should pass a bill that will legalize it in all 50 states but be treated the same as any other prescription where you would have to go to a pharmacy to pick it up (and have a *doctors* recomendation). Otherwise it is bassackwards and hypocritical and undermines every single prescription drug out there.
I am fairly a libertarian but I personally believe drugs (legal and illegal) should be regulated as the legal ones are now. Until or unless this country can control themselves with drugs there is no other viable answer.

Ive heard that nicotine is a harder drug to get of than heroin, But the government still sell cigarettes maybe the tax brings them in enough money not to care about the cancer disease ..