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Yesterday on "Penn and Teller's Bullshit," I saw something that angered me: they tried to denounce the content of the Bible as lies. They are, therefore, (IMO) blasphemers. Think of it this way: the Bible is well-known as the Word of God. Therefore, if you denounce the content of the Bible as false, you are calling God a liar, which is -- by any definition you can find for the word -- blasphemy, much worse than any that came out of the mouth of Bruce Nolan, Jim Carey's character in "Bruce Almighty." :sniper:

Note: by the time this thread becomes inactive, I predict it will reach a length of at least 5 pages.

i recommend that you dont take your religious instruction from magicians

so does this mean you are going to boycott penn and teller from now on?

i recommend that you dont take your religious instruction from magicians
Magicians? WTF are you talking about?

so does this mean you are going to boycott penn and teller from now on?
I don't know; they can be quite amusing when they aren't blaspheming. And after not having dated since 9th grade :( I was sort of agreeing with their episode about love.

The Bible is not known to be the word of God, it is a matter of faith. If God put irrefutable proof in it, there would be no faith in God, only cold science, which is by definition seperate from spiritual belief and other matters of the heart.


P.S. Chill the fuck out, and try linking your sources.

P.S. Chill the fuck out, and try linking your sources.
You don't link sources for beliefs and opinions.

Magicians? WTF are you talking about?


I don't know; they can be quite amusing when they aren't blaspheming. And after not having dated since 9th grade :( I was sort of agreeing with their episode about love.
penn and teller are magicians. one should not take the word of magicians when it comes to religious things.

i get annoyed with stupid entertainment "heresy" myself

like when michael landon had that awful show "highway to heaven" where his character died, went to heaven and became an ANGEL. grrrr

im a big country music fan but there are some quasi religious country songs that are so bad that i have to turn the channel whenever they come on so i dont yell at the radio while driving down the road.

It's a TV show.

Sooner or later, someone's going to say something on TV that'll piss you off.

It's pretty much gurenteed.

I didn't realize that P and T were magicians. I just got the impression of two guys, one who is a very direct potty-mouth and the other just flat out doesn't talk @ all, who like to disprove many popular beliefs.

You don't link sources for beliefs and opinions.

The belief that one can blaspheme needs no sources, true, but a specific act of blasphemy was referred to. Since I have not witnessed this act, I need a detailed summary to form an opinion on the specific act, as would anyone else who has not witnessed the act. If it is to be discussed, let it be shown.

I didn't realize that P and T were magicians. I just got the impression of two guys, one who is a very direct potty-mouth and the other just flat out doesn't talk @ all, who like to disprove many popular beliefs.
oohhhh noooo they arent just smart asses
they are really good magicians
if you ever get a chance to see their act in real life, dont miss it.
they are just as irreverant with their magic as they are in whatever show you saw that pissed you off

Yesterday on "Penn and Teller's Bullshit," I saw something that angered me: they tried to denounce the content of the Bible as lies. They are, therefore, (IMO) blasphemers. Think of it this way: the Bible is well-known as the Word of God. Therefore, if you denounce the content of the Bible as false, you are calling God a liar, which is -- by any definition you can find for the word -- blasphemy, much worse than any that came out of the mouth of Bruce Nolan, Jim Carey's character in "Bruce Almighty." :sniper:

Note: by the time this thread becomes inactive, I predict it will reach a length of at least 5 pages.

There are those who believe the Koran is THE WORD OF GOD, too... though you may believe the Bible, not everyone does. It's dangerous to assume that everyone "knows" the same things you do.

after not having dated since 9th grade :(

I haven't dated since 9th grade either.

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Today was my first day of 9th grade.

(Hey! It's true! I don't have a boyfriend and didn't go on a date today!)

So how old are you when you say that?

Whats interesting is the bible is the writing of man, including all of the errors of man - if you believe in god that is. A Roman king (i forget who) assembled the bible for political purposes as well. So blasphemy is just how you behold the bible. If you think that everything in the bible is the word of god and absolutly true, then the ban on slavery is technically blasphemy.

Yesterday on "Penn and Teller's Bullshit," I saw something that angered me: they tried to denounce the content of the Bible as lies. They are, therefore, (IMO) blasphemers. Think of it this way: the Bible is well-known as the Word of God. Therefore, if you denounce the content of the Bible as false, you are calling God a liar, which is -- by any definition you can find for the word -- blasphemy, much worse than any that came out of the mouth of Bruce Nolan, Jim Carey's character in "Bruce Almighty." :sniper:

Note: by the time this thread becomes inactive, I predict it will reach a length of at least 5 pages.
That all you got? Nothing personal, but that's not much of an argument.

the Bible is well-known as the Word of God. Therefore, if you denounce the content of the Bible as false, you are calling God a liar, which is -- by any definition you can find for the word -- blasphemy....

AsKatganistan points out, other people believe that the Koran is the Word of God. Furthermore, not everyone believes that the entirety of the Bible is the Word of God -- Jews, in particular, don't really agree with much of anything after Malachi. And so many people who identify as Christian ignore moral and ethical pronouncements from both books that one would have to conclude that they don't consider those to be the Word(s) of God, either. For example, you don't see many Christians picketing stores for selling clothes made of more than one kind of cloth (Lev. 19:19) or restaurants for serving hare, pork or shellfish (Lev. 11:4-12).

And we should keep in mind that the Bible contradicts itself at many points. I mean, it can't even get its story of Creation straight, telling it twice with different details (Gen. 1:1-2:4a and Gen 2:4b-25). Noah curses Ham and his descendents at Gen. 9:25, saying "he shall be his brothers' meanest slave," but Ham's grandson, Nimrod, is "the first potentate on earth" and "a mighty hunter in the eyes of Yahweh" (10:8-9). If you want more examples, compare 1 and 2 Kings with 1 and 2 Chronicles.

So, some parts of the Bible contradict other parts. Both parts can't be right; to accept one as true, you must deny (denounce) the other. We are thus left with the uncomfortable suggestion that the Bible itself is blasphemous against itself -- God blasphemes Himself. Mayhap we are better off rethinking the idea that the Bible is the unchanging Word(s) of God?

Yesterday on "Penn and Teller's Bullshit," I saw something that angered me: they tried to denounce the content of the Bible as lies. They are, therefore, (IMO) blasphemers. Think of it this way: the Bible is well-known as the Word of God. Therefore, if you denounce the content of the Bible as false, you are calling God a liar, which is -- by any definition you can find for the word -- blasphemy, much worse than any that came out of the mouth of Bruce Nolan, Jim Carey's character in "Bruce Almighty." :sniper:

Note: by the time this thread becomes inactive, I predict it will reach a length of at least 5 pages.

Your argument falls down if you DON'T automatically belive the bible to be the word of god. Most christians don't believe the bible to be the 'literal' word of god, not in it's entirety.

And maybe the Bible as it stands today IS lies, ever think of that?

Maybe Penn and Teller are prophets of the truth, bringing you to a closer understanding of the text as it was originally intended thousands of years ago - stripped of all the accumulated politics and would-be philosophy that has grown on the scripture.

example: Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

and Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Both of these 'chapters' were codified into the bible before the final Canonisation of "the Bible" in about 300AD. During that 'canonisation' several books were accepted into the book, and several (that had previously been 'in', were lost).

Therefore - the Bible canonised in circa 300 AD, actually 'broke' both of the rules of Revelation 22:18-19, by ADDING and TAKING AWAY text.

Further, the KJV translation excised more books (like Tobit - which, I believe, still appears in the apocryphal section of catholic bibles)... so the ADDING and TAKING AWAY continues.

So, if Penn and Teller say that much of the modern bible is lies, there is a fair chance that they are right.

these are the word of one god among many: Blaphemere will die!

Yesterday on "Penn and Teller's Bullshit," I saw something that angered me: they tried to denounce the content of the Bible as lies. They are, therefore, (IMO) blasphemers..

No, it's not.
Calling God a liar would be blasphemy, but saying that humans have told lies in God's name most certainly is not.

Think of it this way. In the Islamic world, it is widely accepted that the Koran was recited to Mohammad by Gabriel on God's orders. Do you consider the Koran to be true? (In case you've never read it, it does contradict the Bible, so you're pretty much forced to mistrust at least one of the two books). Does considering the Koran false make you a blasphemer?

The Bible has been debunked. Sorry.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

The Bible has been debunked. Sorry.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

I think I actually appriciate the book more because of that link. Thanks!

I think I actually appriciate the book more because of that link. Thanks!

I'm going to author the sequel, intitled: The Bible 2

Of course, my writing will be divinely inspired and officially endorsed by god.

I'm going to author the sequel, intitled: The Bible 2

Of course, my writing will be divinely inspired and officially endorced by god.

Wow. Cool! What do I have to do to get an autographed copy?


BTW, reading my previous post, I appeared a bit rude. I wasn't trying to mock your post. I just found your link interesting but quite biased. No offense intended.

I'm going to author the sequel, intitled: The Bible 2

Of course, my writing will be divinely inspired and officially endorsed by god.

It's been done.

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/4551/bible2.jpg

It's been done.

Damn it! My manuscript must've got leaked. Oh, well. It's probably for the better. Me and God had creative differences, and so I had to do a lot of editing and revising to my work or he'd drop his endorsement. I wasn't too keen on compromising my original vision just for the sake of validity. :mad:

It's been done.

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/4551/bible2.jpg


I love it. Sean Connery would make a wonderful God. I question Ben Affleck though. His movies tend to suck.

No, it's not.
Calling God a liar would be blasphemy, but saying that humans have told lies in God's name most certainly is not.

Think of it this way. In the Islamic world, it is widely accepted that the Koran was recited to Mohammad by Gabriel on God's orders. Do you consider the Koran to be true? (In case you've never read it, it does contradict the Bible, so you're pretty much forced to mistrust at least one of the two books). Does considering the Koran false make you a blasphemer?
Your example is great in theory, except I'm not Muslim so, IMO, that totally negates it.

Your example is great in theory, except I'm not Muslim so, IMO, that totally negates it.
A billion people aren't.
Are they entitled to call you a blasphemer?

No, it's not.
Calling God a liar would be blasphemy, but saying that humans have told lies in God's name most certainly is not.

Think of it this way. In the Islamic world, it is widely accepted that the Koran was recited to Mohammad by Gabriel on God's orders. Do you consider the Koran to be true? (In case you've never read it, it does contradict the Bible, so you're pretty much forced to mistrust at least one of the two books). Does considering the Koran false make you a blasphemer?

I've only read part of the Koran. How does it contradict the Bible, apart from the arguement that God and Allah are different beings?

penn and teller will certainly burn forever in the lake of fire for their sins. i can forgive alot, but not their evil sorceries and gutter tongued blasphemy against the holy spirit.