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Some animals are more equal than others?

Raishann
13-09-2004, 17:30
I saw some comments in another thread that were just mind-boggling in the attitude they revealed.

What I find really funny about remarks made by liberals like "All Bush supporters are inbred rednecks" is that these are the same people who claim to be socially progressive and in support of social policies that eliminate discrimination and stereotyping. In fact, THIS comment was made in a thread alleging discrimination against Kerry supporters--and this was the response? What's up with that? Is that how you get higher moral ground? I don't think so.

So it's not OK to stereotype minorities and so on, but it's OK to stereotype Bush supporters or Southerners? How, ethically, can that even be justified?

An even worse comment came from someone saying they would like to kill a Bush supporter, in their anger over that same incident. This, coming from someone who very likely adheres to an anti-war, anti-capital-punishment (and possibly even pacifistic) platform? So it's not okay to kill convicted criminals, but it's okay to kill Americans whose beliefs you don't like? There's a bit of an inconsistency there! And it's ironic considering this person was angry over an alleged act of discrimination against Kerry supporters...so does that mean they support returning discrimination for discrimination (and even worse)?

The reason for the thread title is that if the liberals are not careful, they run the risk of perpetuating a society that, underneath a mask of false equality, is in fact one where "some animals are more equal than others". I'm not implying that even a majority of liberals necessarily want this, but if they are not vigilant about where their principles lead, it could indeed create that sort of scenario. Comments like the ones I've just posted (and no doubt I could find countless more) are a disturbing precursor to that sort of thing.

To sum up, if you are going to espouse a principle like anti-discrimination, you have to apply it to everyone, not just the people you happen to like, or else you do the very thing you fear.
Seosavists
13-09-2004, 17:44
Whats this got to do with animal farm??
Raishann
13-09-2004, 17:46
Whats this got to do with animal farm??

The society in Animal Farm began on a highly liberal principle of equality, but instead, an elite class set itself up and oppressed the others--all while continuing to claim support for those same principles of equality. That is the connection.

It seems now that some liberals are saying something like, everyone is equal--unless they're a conservative. Or at least, their actions are showing it.
Subterfuges
13-09-2004, 17:50
Reminds me of C.S. Lewis's "Abolition of Man".
Kanabia
13-09-2004, 17:51
That's modern politics buddy. I frankly don't see how the left could possibly say to the right "We want to do this this and this, but we also think you guys are a great bunch! We're all equal! Hug time!" No, it's all about getting your own way.

*Does not necessarily agree with "liberal" posters quoted
Legless Pirates
13-09-2004, 17:53
The society in Animal Farm began on a highly liberal principle of equality, but instead, an elite class set itself up and oppressed the others--all while continuing to claim support for those same principles of equality. That is the connection.

It seems now that some liberals are saying something like, everyone is equal--unless they're a conservative. Or at least, their actions are showing it.
Who mentioned equality? Everyone is not dumb, unless you're a conservative
Squi
13-09-2004, 17:55
Comments like the ones I've just posted (and no doubt I could find countless more) are a disturbing precursor to that sort of thing. Precursor? obviously you've missed the last decade or two.
Seosavists
13-09-2004, 17:56
Who mentioned equality? Everyone is not dumb, unless you're a conservative
Get him hes a pig




Disclaimer:
this has to do with the book im not calling you flithy and smelly neither am I calling you a police person
Raishann
13-09-2004, 18:05
Precursor? obviously you've missed the last decade or two.

I haven't missed it...I'm concerned that they are only a precursor to something a lot worse, though.

BTW, I read The Abolition of Man. I remember I thought it was quite a good book, although I'd need to read it once more to refresh my memory before I could debate on it in depth.
Legless Pirates
13-09-2004, 18:06
Get him hes a pig




Disclaimer:
this has to do with the book im not calling you flithy and smelly neither am I calling you a police person
And all pigs are bad? Did you read the book (or see the movie, whatever turns you on)?
Vanaheim-Thorstedding
13-09-2004, 18:10
Hey everybody.

Hmmm...

I'm not an American so I don't fully understand the way your system of government works, since we have a monarchy and whatnot. What I DO think is that I don't particularly like Bush or the things he stands for, but on the other hand, it has to be said, he's done an okayish job in the wake of 9/11 - yes, I know, it all seems to come back to that doesn't it?

All I say - and I'm a liberal by the way - is that from what I gather from my American friends, the majority of them are unhappy with Bush and his government. Whether that means anything, is up for you guys to decide, since it *is* your government.

I don't like Bush, but equally I won't ever be found calling him a redneck, or anyone else for that matter. Seems to me, general equality in this world is still a looooooooooooong way off! lol

Sash
Vanaheim-Thorstedding
13-09-2004, 18:12
And I LOVED animal farm by the way!! I can see a lot of "Napoleon"s in this world at the moment though...

Sash

*Hating the Labour Government since 1997*

*Hating the Conservatives since...well...forever*

*Hating the Liberals since...oh, no...wait...I LIKE those ones...^_^*
Seosavists
13-09-2004, 18:25
*Hating the Liberals since...oh, no...wait...I LIKE those ones...^_^*
LOL
Goed
13-09-2004, 19:24
Both sides insult each other.

It happens.

It's GOING to happen.

One side is not innocent.

They both suck.




DEAL WITH IT.