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Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml
I am surprised they didn't call her ugly, too. That is a favorite liberal tactic.

and they didn't physically harm her, they just took her sign away...

yes, i see how that's the same as pulling someone's hair. consorship and physical assault are the same thing, apparantly.

You get a free dunce hat?


Wait the dunces support Bush.

No the dunces support the political system that gave us these two losers as "choices"

and they didn't physically harm her, they just took her sign away...

yes, i see how that's the same as pulling someone's hair. consorship and physical assault are the same thing, apparantly.

I didnt say they were the same thing, I was making a comparison... Jumping to conclusions there?

And in a very general way, I would say prohibiting someone their freedom of speech is on par with simple assault (which I wont even agree was assault because I dont know the particulars of the cituation in that particular picture... if you do.. do you believe in trial by jury, or is trial by Dakini a better system).

Hah, what wimpy campaigners we have these days. Back in the day people protesting a certain ex-president weren't even able to walk afterwards (look up what Don Adams got for protesting a former president). You kids today have no idea what supressing dissent is really about.

The women still decided to have the abortion though. If she wanted the child, then don't get an aborition.

Hah, what wimpy campaigners we have these days. Back in the day people protesting a certain ex-president weren't even able to walk afterwards (look up what Don Adams got for protesting a former president). You kids today have no idea what supressing dissent is really about.

Supression of dissent leaves no dissenters alive.
:sniper:

:D

The women still decided to have the abortion though. If she wanted the child, then don't get an aborition.

Not quite the point I was hoping to make... I was hoping to make the point that the supposed campaigners for freedom of speech were rather only for freedom of speech if it agrees with their position (at the time)

Not quite the point I was hoping to make... I was hoping to make the point that the supposed campaigners for freedom of speech were rather only for freedom of speech if it agrees with their position (at the time)

Freedom of speech is not absolute.

Not quite the point I was hoping to make... I was hoping to make the point that the supposed campaigners for freedom of speech were rather only for freedom of speech if it agrees with their position (at the time)



if it had been from a republican in just about any other time, i wouldve agreed. And I partly do, since well, that sucks, and dont disagree that kerry sucks...but... this coming from supportesr of Keeping ashcroft with a job? please!

Not quite the point I was hoping to make... I was hoping to make the point that the supposed campaigners for freedom of speech were rather only for freedom of speech if it agrees with their position (at the time)

That's pretty much a given for almost any political party.

That was the most pathetic attempt at protesting I have ever heard of.

"I made a mistake and I'm blaming it on a Presidential candidate".

Yeesh.

Yelling over a crowd during someone's speech can hardly be considered peaceful demonstration. Holding a small sign, making no noise can hardly be considered disruptful and warranting confiscation, if it warrants any action at all.

I full support the actions taken by the security staff to keep the convention peaceful and to keep it running smoothly with no disruptful behavior on behalf of horseface- err, Kerry supporters.

However, I think you've all failed to notice, or try not to notice, that Bush had absolutely no control over the security personnel during his speech. Stopping his speech and saying "Security, please remove that person" would do nothing but waste speech time, air time, and everyone's time. And I realize that Kerry most likely had no control over the gentleman who annihilated that poor woman's sign.

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml

What a reliable news source. :rolleyes:

you jsut qualified for the ignore button, congrats on being a moronic partisan nuisance

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml
I notice that you picked a totally non biased web site to glean your story?

Now if you could find something from the accepted media then it might be more credible?

I am surprised they didn't call her ugly, too. That is a favorite liberal tactic.
Yup, liberals go around calling potential supporters "ugly". It is their favourite way of attracting people to the party. Do you think before you type?

Yup, liberals go around calling potential supporters "ugly". It is their favourite way of attracting people to the party. Do you think before you type?
Look who you're asking.

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml

What the ****? She gets an abortion, by her own free will, it "hurt her" and now she's blaming it on Kerry? That's maybe the best argument against democracy I've ever seen.

And freedom of speech, as The Black Forrest pointed out, is not absolute. I do not know all restrictions, but if the speech (and the demonstration) was not given in a public place, then I don't see how freedom of speech applies here.

Oh no! Someone decided to think for herself! It must be those evil democrats!

LifeNews.com reported that one man told Porter that he wished the abortion had killed her as well.
:lol:

I notice that you picked a totally non biased web site to glean your story?

Now if you could find something from the accepted media then it might be more credible?

So you are saying you disbelieve it? Do you believe that Kerry staff are incapable of doing such a thing? (Didnt know you were so naive)

What a reliable news source.

See above.

What the ****? She gets an abortion, by her own free will, it "hurt her" and now she's blaming it on Kerry? That's maybe the best argument against democracy I've ever seen.

And freedom of speech, as The Black Forrest pointed out, is not absolute. I do not know all restrictions, but if the speech (and the demonstration) was not given in a public place, then I don't see how freedom of speech applies here.

That article said nothing about her blaming it on Kerry. On the contrary she said that she merely wanted people to know that she regreted having her abortion. She wanted people to be aware that for her at least, the issue went deeper than simply a womans right to do with her body as she will.

As for the freedom of speech part... lefties scream the loudest about freedom of speech. As Chess Squares likes to point out all the time, it's the righties that want to take away all peoples rights. But Im just saying that the lefties only care about freedom of speech if it agrees with their position.

I didnt say they were the same thing, I was making a comparison... Jumping to conclusions there?

And in a very general way, I would say prohibiting someone their freedom of speech is on par with simple assault (which I wont even agree was assault because I dont know the particulars of the cituation in that particular picture....

Well there is a huge difference. Kerry doesn't make you sign a loyalty oath to go see him speak. Bush does. So.. I'm not sure what can be said about that, however it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Loyalty oaths. :rolleyes:

Steph, I would like to speak with you privately about a Mod matter that concerns me greatly.

Steph, I would like to speak with you privately about a Mod matter that concerns me greatly.
You might get more response if you post a thread in Moderation.

You might get more response if you post a thread in Moderation.

Im trying to involve her only, not any of the other mod's.

Im trying to involve her only, not any of the other mod's.

Telegram me. :)

Yup, liberals go around calling potential supporters "ugly". It is their favourite way of attracting people to the party. Do you think before you type?
Well, it's obvious that you don't think or read before you post.

As for the freedom of speech part... lefties scream the loudest about freedom of speech.

Funny, especially on here it seems to be the righties who do that.

Uhm, in response to this incident, let me bring up another incident that is very similar but has nothing to do with politics.

Yesterday at the Arkansas-Texas game in DWR Razorback stadium, a person got into the student section (3 hours before the game) (and he did have a student ticket and everything) and was wearing Texas apparel. That nasty burnt red t-shirt as well as a white longhorn hat. He stood peacefully in a place only with one arm lifted with the Texas Hook 'Em horns sign. He didn't say anything back to the entire student section booing him and doing the downward hook 'em horns sign. Approximately 30 minutes later, ushers removed the Texas fan. He was removed for his own safety and so that the ushers wouldn't have to come remove an Arkansas fan every 5 minutes for getting violent.

Well on the other hand the bush administration won't let anyone who doesn't sign a loyalty oath within like 100 yards of any political event. That seems a bit more stifling than tearing up someone's sign.

Whatever about that woman. It's her fault she got an abortion she can't blame abrotion laws for that. It was her choice and she made it and she regrets it. It happens to everyone.

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml
That's one of the main differences between Bush and Kerry. Bush supports the right to protest, Kerry does not.

That's one of the main differences between Bush and Kerry. Bush supports the right to protest, Kerry does not.

Yes, that's why Bush makes every one sign a loyalty oath and Kerry doesn't.. :rolleyes:

That's one of the main differences between Bush and Kerry. Bush supports the right to protest, Kerry does not.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/trail/06TRAIL-HECKLER.html?pagewanted=print

I knew I had heard of this.

Let me tell you how much he hates protesters! :rolleyes:

I believe I saw this on the news or something.

From the piece....

A few minutes later, Mr. Kerry began lamenting "the tax burden of the average American family," when the same voice, full of sarcasm, shouted, "Yeah, you're average, Kerry."

This time, Mr. Kerry did break stride - but with good effect.

"Just to answer that guy, 'cause he's right - I'm privileged," he said. "My tax burden went down. And I don't think that's right. I think your tax burden ought to go down. This is about fundamental fairness. And the fact is, George W. Bush and I fit in the same category of privilege, but the fact is he has a different view about life. He thinks the wealthiest people ought to be rewarded again. I don't. I think the average American deserves a tax break in this country."

That article said nothing about her blaming it on Kerry. On the contrary she said that she merely wanted people to know that she regreted having her abortion. She wanted people to be aware that for her at least, the issue went deeper than simply a womans right to do with her body as she will.


there are plenty of women who don't regret their decision... what's your point?

Let's see if I can get this comparison thing right.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/march/0316_kerry_abortion.shtml
she was treated alot nicer then when that hair pulling sissy attacked that girl at that GOP pigfest

They were wrong to remove that sign. They shouldn't have done that. But its not on a par with kicking a woman when shes on the ground as they did at the RNC.

Frankly, while I understand and feel deeply sorry for this woman and the choice that she made that was wrong for her, I don't know quite what point she was trying to make.

They were wrong to remove that sign. They shouldn't have done that. But its not on a par with kicking a woman when shes on the ground as they did at the RNC.

Frankly, while I understand and feel deeply sorry for this woman and the choice that she made that was wrong for her, I don't know quite what point she was trying to make.

I agree. Bush is only a pro-lifer in name. Yes, he has fought for a ban to partial birth but where is his bravery in fighting Roe. vs. Wade. Unless a candidate promises to change the decision, a person's stance on abortion shouldn't matter.