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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion

Ladies and Gentlemen! A large explosion occured in the northern part of North Korea sending a Mushroom cloud about 3 to 4 Kilometers up.

SEOUL, South Korea - A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea (news - web sites), sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday.



The Yonhap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Beijing, said the explosion happened Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county blasted a crater big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.


"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (about 2-2 1/2 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," Yonhap quoted an unidentified diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.

Oh shit we're all fucked.

wow...wtf....oh man...


this cannot be good...


oh shit oh shit

can I panic now? Seeing as how Bush will find some odd way to destroy N. Korea for this.

Lock up your daughters and shoot your sons, Kim Jong is coming to town.

Ha ha--beat you. I posted mine first.

In all seriousness, though, this is scary shit. Too bad our military is bogged down in Iraq, huh? Way to assess those potential threats, Georgie.

And before anyone gives me any shit about this, listen--I live on the west coast. If North Korea really does have a nuke, then I'm in the greatest danger, because they've already got missile technology that could theoretically get here.

You have just proven that there is something important about Nebraska.
Nobody wants to bother with it.
I'm going to sleep easy tonight KJ will be too busy nuking San Fran to touch me. After all, what importance does the death of strangers hold for me?
Yes, I know. I'm a conceited jackass. Get over it.

None of the news networks are reporting it.

Ha ha--beat you. I posted mine first.

In all seriousness, though, this is scary shit. Too bad our military is bogged down in Iraq, huh? Way to assess those potential threats, Georgie.

And before anyone gives me any shit about this, listen--I live on the west coast. If North Korea really does have a nuke, then I'm in the greatest danger, because they've already got missile technology that could theoretically get here.
Me n you...and you n me....

I live on the West coast as well, 50 miles away from L.A. Not the ideal location eh?

George W. needs to pull our troops out of iraq and get ready for the Fried Rice Invasion.

None of the news networks are reporting it.

Incertonia, in another thread that he created, posted a link to ABCNEWS.com! I haven't seen it on CNN or Foxnews.com yet and I"m not sure about MSNBC.

Incertonia, in another thread that he created, posted a link to ABCNEWS.com! I haven't seen it on CNN or Foxnews.com yet and I"m not sure about MSNBC.


Ive got em on now.

Nothing.

Ive got em on now.

Nothing.

I'm willing to bet that they are trying to confirm it! Someone should contact NORAD! They will know if it was Nuclear or not!

When they confirm it, it'll be blasted from Sea to Shining Sea! 3-1 it'll be in the newspapers tomorrow morning.

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6211126

thats reuters reporting it as well- apparently south korea doesnt think the blast was atomic(not yet anyway)

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6211126

thats reuters reporting it as well- apparently south korea doesnt think the blast was atomic(not yet anyway)

Well if it wasn't nuclear then it would be a huge meteorite or one big ass bomb.

Edit: Link to what the South Korean Unification Minister is saying http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GTJ4F1E2VIK0UCRBAEZSFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6211149

Or potentially a fire at a nuclear facility that's believed to be near there. The thing that bugs me about this whole thing is that whatever happened apparently happened on Thursday, and we're only hearing about it today.

Well if it wasn't nuclear then it would be a huge meteorite or one big ass bomb.
Well I dunno much about explosions and stuff but the blast was on thursday- if it was nuke- I imagine the news networks would be making a much bigger deal about it.

Well if it wasn't nuclear then it would be a huge meteorite or one big ass bomb.

Edit: Link to what the South Korean Unification Minister is saying http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GTJ4F1E2VIK0UCRBAEZSFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6211149
If it was a meteor they and us would have detected it.

You have just proven that there is something important about Nebraska.
Nobody wants to bother with it.
I'm going to sleep easy tonight KJ will be too busy nuking San Fran to touch me. After all, what importance does the death of strangers hold for me?
Yes, I know. I'm a conceited jackass. Get over it.
Dude, bread basket. What would screw us more than taking out farm land.

Not to spook you out...

Well I dunno much about explosions and stuff but the blast was on thursday- if it was nuke- I imagine the news networks would be making a much bigger deal about it.
If it was nuclear, there would be radiation and they'd be staying away from the crater unless they had suits on.

If it was a meteor they and us would have detected it.

Not necessarily. Depends on the time of the explosion and how big the meteor was. But I'm willing to bet it was along the lines of what Incertonia said.

other bombs make mushroom clouds too, don't they? it's just a big explosion...

it's possible that it was an industrial accident.

MSNBC is reporting it now:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973532/

They are saying it wasn't nuclear in nature:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973734/

Some US officials are saying this may have been a nuke test, and that they base it on Sattelite suveillance of North Korean movements in the last 4 weeks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973356/

1. If they did hit Kalifornia, that would be a good thing.

2. If they did it by accident or intentionally, that would also be a good thing, except the Democrats would still deny they have weapons of mass destruction anyway, and ask the LAPD to investigate.

Go go Kim...bring it ON!!!!!

Reports may indicate N.Korea nuclear test-NY Times
Updated: 10:42 p.m. ET Sept. 11, 2004

NEW YORK - The Bush administration has received recent intelligence reports that some experts believe could indicate North Korea is preparing to conduct its first nuclear weapons test explosion, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Citing senior officials with access to the intelligence, the newspaper said the reports, sent to President George W. Bush and his top advisers, describe a confusing series of actions by North Korea. A senior scientist who assesses nuclear intelligence said the evidence was not conclusive, but potentially worrisome.

The Times said U.S. intelligence agencies appeared divided about the significance of North Korea's recent actions, although they were viewed as serious enough to warrant a warning to the White House.

Such a test, if successful, would put an end to the debate over whether North Korea has a rudimentary nuclear arsenal. Some analysts fear a test could change the balance of power in Asia, and perhaps spawn a new nuclear arms race there, the Times said.

Senior officials who spoke to the Times on Friday and Saturday were reluctant to provide details of the new activities, but said some of the information appeared to have come from satellite intelligence. One official called the intelligence "a series of indicators of increased activity that we believe would be associated with a test," saying that the "likelihood" of a North Korean test had risen significantly in the past four weeks.

According to the Times, that changed assessment led to the decision to update Bush.

The activities included the movement of materials around several suspected test sites, including one near a location where intelligence agencies reported last year that conventional explosives were being tested that could compress a plutonium core and set off a nuclear explosion, the Times said. But it added that officials have not seen the classic indicators of preparations at a test site, in which cables are laid to measure an explosion in a deep test pit.

Officials said if North Korea proceeded with a test, it would probably be with a plutonium bomb, perhaps one fabricated from the 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods the North has boasted in the past few months have been reprocessed into bomb fuel, the newspaper reported.

One senior intelligence official noted that preparations the North knew could be detected by the United States might be a scare or a negotiating tactic by North Korea, while other officials speculated a test could be intended to influence the U.S. presidential election in November.

South Korea and the United States, along with China, Russia and Japan, are trying to restart stalled six-party discussions with North Korea to resolve the nuclear security crisis gripping the divided peninsula and the region.

The nuclear crisis erupted in October 2002 when U.S. diplomats said Pyongyang had admitted pursuing a covert uranium enrichment program, in addition to a plutonium program that was suspended as part of a 1994 accord.

North Korea has since denied the existence of the uranium program but has unfrozen its plutonium program. U.S. officials say it may have enough nuclear material for eight bombs.

MSNBC is reporting it now:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973532/

They are saying it wasn't nuclear in nature:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973734/

Well that makes me feel better if it turns out not to be a nuclear test but it was seen from satelites which has the US interested.

North Koreas on the way out their country is stuffed. they need aid to feed their people and most of this comes from teh states. how embarrising

1. If they did hit Kalifornia, that would be a good thing.

2. If they did it by accident or intentionally, that would also be a good thing, except the Democrats would still deny they have weapons of mass destruction anyway, and ask the LAPD to investigate.

Go go Kim...bring it ON!!!!!Oh, do shut up.

Dear Lord, although I am an atheist, I promise to lick your boots for awhile if you allow us the right to kick the crap out of North Korea. amen

Oh, do shut up.
ok, tell me where I was wrong?

North Korea is accusing South Korea of developing Nuclear weapons:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973398/

Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:46 p.m. ET Sept. 11, 2004

SEOUL, South Korea - A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea, sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday.

The Yonhap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Beijing, said the explosion happened Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county blasted a crater big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.

"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (about 2-2 1/2 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," Yonhap quoted an unidentified diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.

North Korea was founded Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that Thursday's reported explosion was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than 1 million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.

South Korea's Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said Sunday the government was in the process of confirming reports there were signs of an explosion in North Korea.

"I am not aware of details such as the size of the damage," he was quoted as saying by Yonhap after a National Security Council meeting.

On Saturday, North Korea said recent revelations that South Korea conducted secret nuclear experiments involving uranium and plutonium made the communist state more determined to pursue its own atomic programs.

The South Korean experiments, conducted in 1982 and 2000, were likely to further complicate the already stalled six-nation talks aimed at dismantling the North's nuclear development. South Korea has said the experiments were purely for research and did not reflect a desire to develop weapons.

On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.

The source in the Yonhap report said Thursday's explosion reportedly was bigger than the train explosion.

North Koreas on the way out their country is stuffed. they need aid to feed their people and most of this comes from teh states. how embarrising

Yep, there goes their food deal with the US if it was nuclear.

ok, tell me where I was wrong?
I'm from the west coast, but I have two sisters, two neices, and two nephews in the midwest part of the country.

Sorry, I was eating these huge, delicious beans and...

Yep, there goes their food deal with the US if it was nuclear.
There goes Bush's plan to pull all US troops out of Korea.

shit shit shit, this is bad, really really really bad, shitt

The beans were really tasty. I fear I have eaten too many...

Its now being reported on CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/11/nkorea.blast/index.html

North Koreas on the way out their country is stuffed. they need aid to feed their people and most of this comes from teh states. how embarrising

That's all you can think of? That it's 'embarrassing'?

N Korea has been that way for years, Bush withheld a bunch of aid ( which yes, they really really like, since the regime is all about self preservation... ) which pissed them off and is helping push them further into sabre rattling with nukes. And that's embarrassing?

North Korea is the biggest threat we have right now, they've got a seige mentality, that if they do go down, they'll take as much of the US/West with it as it can. It is serious stuff.

I agree

here and on fark.com eveybody is all excited about it. it was only a test nuke, not aimed at anybody. its not as bad as you all think, and it happened 3 days ago.

I should remember to chew more thoroughly next time.

Somehow the idea it's "not nuclear" seems like CNN is being paid off in order to keep order, maybe it's just em but does anyoen else think that we're in more trouble than that site is letting on...

Relax, it's ok. We can just send over PETA...

Imagine how many insects and small rodents just became burnt critters, PETA should be PISSED...oh wait...they only get pissed at Americans, I almost forgot...Go go Kim, nuke the hell out of'em.

MoveOn.org should be furious also, oh wait...Micheal Moore will probably say they did it becuase Bush gave them no choice, and American policy forced them to blow a nuke to show the world how screwed up AmeriKa is.

Hmmm...Collin Powell? Nah, he can't help, he is a Republican lackey who only has a job because he is black, just another conservative lap dog.

Condoleeza Rice? She's worthless, black pile of crap working for the man, who supresses blacks nationwide for sport.

G. W. Bush? Worthless, he can't even say Nuclear...hmmm what can we do?

I KNOW...Let's all stage a big protest in Washington and sm0ke pot. While we are at it, we can formulate a plan to kill a few Senators or something if we get bored.

And that is why we are developing the Anti-Ballistic Missile System! To shoot down nukes from rogue nations like North Korea.

The United States is a rogue nation.

Kim Jong Il is a real threat to America and the world.

So is George W. Bush

The United States is a rogue nation.

How are we a rogue nation? By Bucking the UN? Give me a break! I don't want this thread to turn into a bashing thread.

So is George W. Bush

Ain't it the truth!!!

If you don't want this to become a bashing thread, then you shouldn't have asked why the US is a rogue nation.

The rest of the world should be kissing the United States arse for everything we have given this worthless pile of dirt.

I propose we force every unpatriotic unamerican we find to join the front lines of our military and have them eat some lead for a few years. Lord knows they do nothing but erode us as a nation anyways.

I wouldn't mind if we had a few thousand a year killed just to show them reality while we are at it. Maybe we televise them being beheaded live, or cut into pieces and dragged around behind trucks...Yeeeeesssss....

Pot smoking hippie AmeriKa haters.......

Can I drive the truck?

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Come on, someone is actually testing a nuclear weapon, and is probably desparate enough to use is and we start a US thread, GET OVER IT. This could be the start of something WAY bigger than one person in one country guys.

If you don't want this to become a bashing thread, then you shouldn't have asked why the US is a rogue nation.

Your right I shouldn't! But also you shouldn't have posted what you posted either!

Now no more bashing either party!

The rest of the world should be kissing the United States arse for everything we have given this worthless pile of dirt.

I propose we force every unpatriotic unamerican we find to join the front lines of our military and have them eat some lead for a few years. Lord knows they do nothing but erode us as a nation anyways.

I wouldn't mind if we had a few thousand a year killed just to show them reality while we are at it. Maybe we televise them being beheaded live, or cut into pieces and dragged around behind trucks...Yeeeeesssss....

Pot smoking hippie AmeriKa haters.......

Can I drive the truck?

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Well, you gotta have goals, I guess.

Hmm although I dont think any of us would be happy to hear that NK has nuclear weapons the soviet union was a much bigger threat to the US//free world than North Korea could ever be, they never nuked anyone- so why should we all shit ourselves worrying that NK is about to nuke us all?

Although if NK does get nukes I wonder if South Korea and Japan will develop nuclear arms?

Funny how when an American attacks North Korea or Libya or Syria or Iran, many of the posters begin an all out attack on the US. True, I don't care for George W. Bush but honestly, Kim Jong Il is threatening to attack Japan, South Korea and the US. He is truely evil, George W. Bush is misinformed.

The rest of the world should be kissing the United States arse for everything we have given this worthless pile of dirt.

I propose we force every unpatriotic unamerican we find to join the front lines of our military and have them eat some lead for a few years. Lord knows they do nothing but erode us as a nation anyways.

I wouldn't mind if we had a few thousand a year killed just to show them reality while we are at it. Maybe we televise them being beheaded live, or cut into pieces and dragged around behind trucks...Yeeeeesssss....

Pot smoking hippie AmeriKa haters.......

Can I drive the truck?

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Um, how un-American of you. You have no place to talk. Beheading people on TV sounds so.... Wait a minute... That's reality tv in 3 years. Holy shit!

Who's bashing parties? I'm only bashing an imbecile.

I think NK is a bit more of a threat than the USSR was because it simply had the sense not to use nukes, Kim Jong Il is a crazed idiot and has been terrifying for years. His country is plummeting in the world. The USA is a handy little target, and the nukes a great tool. This is honestly scary, this is one of those, Don't let it get into the wrong hands situations when it has.

I'll bet I could get some North Korean families to volunteer a few memebers for the reality TV show as well. We pay them, say, $100 a year. In return we get to cut of a few heads, broadcast live coast to coast. I'll bet PETA would sponsor us with ads as well. The DNC would turn all evangelical on us and say we were doing God's work...

What a hit!!!

Just calm down all you ppl. Firstly, no-one's saying it was a nuclear bomb. Any large explosion of more than a couple of tonnes makes a Mushroom cloud. Second, I live in HK and there was no mention of it in yesterday's paper and China (nor Japan) doesn't appear that bothered by it - and let's face it, which countries will be most affected by an above-ground nuke test?
And if it was, why isn't Kim Jong saying anything about it? Considering his megalomania surely he'd be trumpeting it to the World that they have the Bomb.
So I think it was most likely an industrial or military accident. Most likely hundreds dead, but N.Korea won't admit it as it would make them lose face to the World. At least they think it will. They haven't yet realised that they have less face to lose than Michale Jackson.

Who's bashing parties? I'm only bashing an imbecile.

The only embecile I see is the guy that is sitting in North Korea at the moment who thinks that he'll be a big bad boy on the block!

In regards to South Korea, they did admit that they were developing nukes but really did shut it down and now the IAEA is in there and Japan will probably rethink its no nukes policy.

Russia STILL has missiles pointed us and many more than North Korea is capable of using.

Just calm down all you ppl. Firstly, no-one's saying it was a nuclear bomb. Any large explosion of more than a couple of tonnes makes a Mushroom cloud. Second, I live in HK and there was no mention of it in yesterday's paper and China (nor Japan) doesn't appear that bothered by it - and let's face it, which countries will be most affected by an above-ground nuke test?
And if it was, why isn't Kim Jong saying anything about it? Considering his megalomania surely he'd be trumpeting it to the World that they have the Bomb.
So I think it was most likely an industrial or military accident. Most likely hundreds dead, but N.Korea won't admit it as it would make them lose face to the World. At least they think it will. They haven't yet realised that they have less face to lose than Michale Jackson.

I agree Demented Hamsters! Which is probably why we are only now hearing about it three days later because they didn't want the world to know it. If it was a nuclear test, I'm sure it would've been trumpeted the minute it happened.

This isn't a partisan issue. Its an issue that all Americans and all nations should be concerned with, and bickering and finger pointing is not going to make it go away. Remember, NK has a bone to pick with Japan and Europe too, not just the US.
As for South Korea, they're already doing some work with uranium in their government labs.

That is scary. Doesn't really matter if it was atomic or not. I hope that the Kim Jong doesn't do something stupid and use a nuke, since he will obviously pursue getting one. If they fire one, the world will be in pretty bad shape. This is one of those times when it needs to be a pre-emptive strike.

What type of pre-emptive strike would you propose? A taunting of wits? Bombs made of maple syrup? Chuck a fish at the Koreans?

Ah, no pre-emptive strike please!!!

Just calm down all you ppl. Firstly, no-one's saying it was a nuclear bomb. Any large explosion of more than a couple of tonnes makes a Mushroom cloud. Second, I live in HK and there was no mention of it in yesterday's paper and China (nor Japan) doesn't appear that bothered by it - and let's face it, which countries will be most affected by an above-ground nuke test?
And if it was, why isn't Kim Jong saying anything about it? Considering his megalomania surely he'd be trumpeting it to the World that they have the Bomb.
So I think it was most likely an industrial or military accident. Most likely hundreds dead, but N.Korea won't admit it as it would make them lose face to the World. At least they think it will. They haven't yet realised that they have less face to lose than Michale Jackson.
Don't count on the chinese govt. They are known for keeping their activities secret from the world. They're probably concerned and very busy at getting to the bottom of this, but aren't letting on. The regime in Beijing is as secretive as the one Pyongyang.

Very funny you racist jack ass.

I can throw a baseball pretty far. How about a pre-emptive attack of ping pong balls?

Racist??? What are you talking about?

And that is why we are developing the Anti-Ballistic Missile System! To shoot down nukes from rogue nations like North Korea.

I know this might be asking a bit much...but the trick is, you see, to not have them shoot them at you in the first place, and to work towards that goal.

That is scary. Doesn't really matter if it was atomic or not. I hope that the Kim Jong doesn't do something stupid and use a nuke, since he will obviously pursue getting one. If they fire one, the world will be in pretty bad shape. This is one of those times when it needs to be a pre-emptive strike.
Its way too premature to be talking about preemptive strikes. Why don't you start proposing those when you join us in the military so they can stick you right on the DMZ when the premptive strike you are proposing takes place.

Racist??? What are you talking about?
Perhaps it's just me, but your comments were racist.

North Korea does appear to have nuclear weapons programs in place or is trying to get them in place. Plus whoever said anything about using troops? Cruise missle military bases and research labs, which can be easily located using satelites.

Very funny you racist jack ass.
? who are you talking too?

I simply STRONGLY disagree with backing out of our treaty with Russia in regard to constructing ballistic defense missiles.

Umm, what comment?

I simply STRONGLY disagree with backing out of our treaty with Russia in regard to constructing ballistic defense missiles.
Russia doesn't want a defense against ballistic missiles. It makes them feel insecure. They're refusal to support is entirely politically motivated to cater to extremist nationalist groups. (Especially during Russian election time).

was most likely not a nuclear blast http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/index.html

reuters also says was most likely not a nuke: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6211149


could have just been a forest fire as stated that hit a gas tank or something.

What type of pre-emptive strike would you propose? A taunting of wits? Bombs made of maple syrup? Chuck a fish at the Koreans?
Those comments, considering they were aimed at a Canadian.

? who are you talking too?
Televangela.

I apologize if you read my statement as being racist. I meant nothing of the kind. My point was that the US doesn't exactly have the resources at this time to conduct a expeditionary operation of the magnitude it would require to invade North Korea.

I happen to like Canada very much. AS a matter of fact, I wish I was one right now. I could use the socialized medicine.

No Canada or Bush bashing okay? And a forest fire or gas tank? Come on, somethign big happened, we just don't know if it'd planned, nuclear or what.

I apologize if you read my statement as being racist. I meant nothing of the kind. My point was that the US doesn't exactly have the resources at this time to conduct a expeditionary operation of the magnitude it would require to invade North Korea.

I happen to like Canada very much. AS a matter of fact, I wish I was one right now. I could use the socialized medicine.
Alright, sorry about that. But they wouldn't need to invade Korea so much as fire cruise missles at strategetic points to disable any hopes North Korea has of creating nuclear weapons.

Who's bashing Canada??? I'll bash Bush all I want. Hey that was fun to say. Bash Bush Bash Bush Bash Bush...I could get used to that.

Canadian Health Care system is ideal except for those awful waiting lists. My dad is involved in management at a hospital and he says you can wait months for an assesment. But if you are poor or whatever, our system is the best. If your rich, maybe less so.

what im saying is that it most likely was something small, or just a normal amunition test, but the story got distorted before it hit us, most major news sources that reported the nuclear blast are now saying it was most likely not nuclear. s. korea's head honcho guy or whatever is saying non-nuke as well.

This isn't a partisan issue. Its an issue that all Americans and all nations should be concerned with, and bickering and finger pointing is not going to make it go away. Remember, NK has a bone to pick with Japan and Europe too, not just the US.
As for South Korea, they're already doing some work with uranium in their government labs.
One time in which I agree with you East Whittier, although I do still wonder why the Bush administration thought Hussein was a greater security threat than Kim Jong Il. I'm glad that it's apparently not a nuke, though, since I live in the range of North Korea's missiles.

1. If they did hit Kalifornia, that would be a good thing.

2. If they did it by accident or intentionally, that would also be a good thing, except the Democrats would still deny they have weapons of mass destruction anyway, and ask the LAPD to investigate.

Go go Kim...bring it ON!!!!!

No one ever said N. Korea didn't have WMDs, you uneducated cretin.
Secondly, wishing a nuclear attack on innocent civilians? What was your ISP thinking giving net access to your trailor park?

Hey man, I grew up in a trailer park, okay.

Difference was that I got out of it. :D

Hey man, I grew up in a trailer park, okay.

Difference was that I got out of it. :D

Okay, perhaps I should've used a negitive stereotype. My apologies.

But still, why does it seem like a majority of right-wingers turn out to be bumpkin yokels who think life is a spagetti western?

It's cool. Your comment just reminded me of a song by a band from Missouri named Big Smith. The chorus goes:
Don't call me trash
till you've lived in my trailer
till you've dug up my roots,
till you've lived in my boots.
A man that's on wheels
ain't my notion of failure,
so come to my trailer
my boudoir to peruse.

Not all people from trailer parks are trash, but it's an easy assumption to make. They're an easy target, sort of like Jehovah's Witnesses.

The really sad thing is I'm consdering renting a mobil home, a nice new one... in a tralier park. :/

Oh dear god almighty get me out of Alberta coz I'm turnin' into white trash!

The really sad thing is I'm consdering renting a mobil home, a nice new one... in a tralier park. :/

Oh dear god almighty get me out of Alberta coz I'm turnin' into white trash!

Well, in all honesty there's nothing wrong with mobil homes. It just depends on the condition and culture of said communities.

I'm in tornado country too! :(

Just don't live in a hurricane or tornado prone area. I'm convinced that God hates trailers.

Just don't live in a hurricane or tornado prone area. I'm convinced that God hates trailers.
Well, with reason....we've all seen COPS.....(appologies to those who live/have lived in trailers....I'm just joking and fully realise that that was unfair...)

I was teasing a buddy last year who came from tornado-prone areas and he sucked some of the fun out my joke...he said that people know where the tornados happen and that land, as a result, is pretty cheap. Which is why it's used for trailer parks, which is why trailer parks are prone to getting hit by tornados. Which makes sense. And sucks. I liked my trailer park/tornado rants.....that bastard.........

Im not worried.. Japan and China won't allow them to create/use nukes anyway.. and the US has no reason for invading N-Korea bcz they won't gain anything by doing so.. (who wants to invade a country with a nuke anyway)

I have also noticed the lack of reporting on the news of this explosion, but the BBC reported this morning, that both the explosion (believed to be 2 miles across in diameter), and the crater it left, was visable from space.

The explosion happened on a National holiday in North Korea. Interestingly enough, if it was a nuclear test, why so close to the Chinese border? If China was aware it was going to happen would they not have said:

"Well look, you can do this, but not so close to our border"

It just makes me wonder whether China was aware it was going to happen, maybe N Korea does not trust China anymore.

A British minister visiting North Korea, has demanded an explanation for the explosion, none is forthcoming.

Im not worried.. Japan and China won't allow them to create/use nukes anyway.. and the US has no reason for invading N-Korea bcz they won't gain anything by doing so.. (who wants to invade a country with a nuke anyway)

There's no oil in N Korea to steal apart from the stuff sent to it from other nations :)

Here's a report that says the alleged blast isn't nuclear:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/index.html

I´m not surprised. Though it is still unclear whether it was a nuke though.
It is believed anyway that North Korea has got some nukes. If this standoff continues it could lead to a new arms race in North East Asia. Japan and South Korea may need to get nukes themself to get a nuclear deterrent against North Korea. I don´t believe in a war though. It is now to late for a preventive strike.
The next country by the way which is going to become a nuclear power is likely to be Iran. Probably it is already too late for a preventive strike there as well. Iran is very smartly playing on time and on the fact that the US has a lot of problems in Iraq and therefore uneager to go for another preventive strike.

South Korea appears to have already joined the arms race:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3647278.stm

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hopefully they were testing and it blew up in their faces

I was teasing a buddy last year who came from tornado-prone areas and he sucked some of the fun out my joke...he said that people know where the tornados happen and that land, as a result, is pretty cheap. Which is why it's used for trailer parks, which is why trailer parks are prone to getting hit by tornados. Which makes sense. And sucks. I liked my trailer park/tornado rants.....that bastard.........

That, and trailers are made of aluminum (light weight material) and are not sunk into the ground like a house is......

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132154,00.html

US is saying it was NOT nuclear in nature. Thank God!

None of the news networks are reporting it.rephrase....None of the AMERICAN news networks are reporting it.
not yet...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132154,00.html

US is saying it was NOT nuclear in nature. Thank God!If the US says so...It must be True :D

If the US says so...It must be True :D

South Korean Unification Minister said it wasn't Nuclear last night!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/nm/20040912/ts_nm/korea_north_dc

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion

Ladies and Gentlemen! A large explosion occured in the northern part of North Korea sending a Mushroom cloud about 3 to 4 Kilometers up.

What???? Is this for real??? Holy Crap!

Could this have been an underground nuclear test? I know that it is very unlikely. But would a deeply buried nuclear detonation release this sort of mushroom cloud and have that type of muffled seismic activity?

Eh, well, they were going to be able to harness nuclear energy/power eventually; perhaps, if our focus was in the right place, it never would've happened, but I guess mushroom clouds, nuclear explosions, and death aren't enough to get America to do what's right anymore.

was most likely not a nuclear blast http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/index.html

reuters also says was most likely not a nuke: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6211149


could have just been a forest fire as stated that hit a gas tank or something.
No. A gas tank explosion would not cause a 2 mile wide mushroom cloud. But if say a missile or two exploded, due to heat from the fire, that could cause one.

I apologize if you read my statement as being racist. I meant nothing of the kind. My point was that the US doesn't exactly have the resources at this time to conduct a expeditionary operation of the magnitude it would require to invade North Korea.

I happen to like Canada very much. AS a matter of fact, I wish I was one right now. I could use the socialized medicine.
Just to let you know, we are still quite capable of destroying NK's military capacity with conventional weapons. Just a couple of weeks ago, the US military mobilized 7 aircraft carriers for a training exercise just off the coast of Morroco to send the Morrocan govt. a message.
If we can do that, what makes you think, we can't hit NK now and oust their govt. too just as we did in Iraq and Afghan.

what im saying is that it most likely was something small, or just a normal amunition test, but the story got distorted before it hit us, most major news sources that reported the nuclear blast are now saying it was most likely not nuclear. s. korea's head honcho guy or whatever is saying non-nuke as well.
I don't remember any of the news sources saying it was nuclear. They all said it was being investigated.

One time in which I agree with you East Whittier, although I do still wonder why the Bush administration thought Hussein was a greater security threat than Kim Jong Il. I'm glad that it's apparently not a nuke, though, since I live in the range of North Korea's missiles.
Whittier is a city in LA county. Just so you know.

I´m not surprised. Though it is still unclear whether it was a nuke though.
It is believed anyway that North Korea has got some nukes. If this standoff continues it could lead to a new arms race in North East Asia. Japan and South Korea may need to get nukes themself to get a nuclear deterrent against North Korea. I don´t believe in a war though. It is now to late for a preventive strike.
The next country by the way which is going to become a nuclear power is likely to be Iran. Probably it is already too late for a preventive strike there as well. Iran is very smartly playing on time and on the fact that the US has a lot of problems in Iraq and therefore uneager to go for another preventive strike.
Don't to too certain about Iran, they recently threatened to launch a premptive strike on US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Eh, well, they were going to be able to harness nuclear energy/power eventually; perhaps, if our focus was in the right place, it never would've happened, but I guess mushroom clouds, nuclear explosions, and death aren't enough to get America to do what's right anymore.
It is too late for that already. But the problem existed since the 90s. Probably it is already to late in Iran as well.

Could this have been an underground nuclear test? I know that it is very unlikely. But would a deeply buried nuclear detonation release this sort of mushroom cloud and have that type of muffled seismic activity?
Actually, the seismic activity from an underground nuke test would not be muffled.
And NK is believed to have had nukes since at least 1998 thereabouts.

Don't to too certain about Iran, they recently threatened to launch a premptive strike on US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well, North Korea said that as well. And didn´t do it and they won´t since it would be their end.
Gaddafi once said that he is going to set the Meditareanan ablaze or in fire.
We shouldn´t believe any propaganda. Iran may not be that far yet. But I think it is close since it is military and technology not a weak country - at least much stronger than Iraq was and is.

Actually, the seismic activity from an underground nuke test would not be muffled.
And NK is believed to have had nukes since at least 1998 thereabouts.
I think I´ve once read that a nuclear test below one megatone (sp?) can not be detected and differentiated from other geologic activities - like a little earthquake or seismographic activity.
1 megatone is not much - but still more than a Hiroshima bomb (Little Boy).
Todays nukes are of course mostly bigger and even more destructive.
It is likely for many countries to secretly develop nukes -without anybody detecting it. South Africa did that during Apartheid by the way - but they gave it up afterwards.
Well: all developed countries could do it if they wanted: Japan, South Korea, Canada, Germany, Italy, e.g.
They don´t do it because they currently don´t see a need for it. But if the world becomes more and more a dangerous place that could change and the world is going to see a big new arms race which would focus on WMD.

From what I'm hearing, no one thinks it''s a nuclear explosion, at least not yet. The North Koreans should tell us if it was, and remain silent if it wasn't. Detterents don't work when no one knows about them.
And to clear the air a bit, North Korea doesn't have missiles that can hit the West Coast. They are working on a model that can, but that isn't scheduled for completion until 2015.

From what I'm hearing, no one thinks it''s a nuclear explosion, at least not yet. The North Koreans should tell us if it was, and remain silent if it wasn't. Detterents don't work when no one knows about them.
And to clear the air a bit, North Korea doesn't have missiles that can hit the West Coast. They are working on a model that can, but that isn't scheduled for completion until 2015.
That's what the pundits claimed about the one that can hit Hawaii, Alaska, Yukon Territory, that is until NK fired one off in 1996 (I know I need to check dates).
North Korea is believed to be pretty close to having a missile that can the west coast and a lot of pundits believe they do have one but the only way we'll know, is if they test fire it into the pacific.

If the explosion was a military test (highly likely) for some sort of bomb and let's also suppose that North Korea does have nuclear weapons.... putting our armies in South Korea would be a tactical mistake which would only endanger the lives of our troops. The best thing we could do is install patriot missles around NK to keep any missle strikes better contained. This was the reasoning behind President Bush phasing our our troops from South Korea in the next ten years. Keeping them there only heightens the possibility of an attack on them.

Kim Jong Il knows that any attacks on South Korea would lead to war and our military (which is NOT bogged down in Iraq) would respond. We have plenty of forces deployed nearby for just such a situation. Also, Japan and other allies would lend us support. (possibly China too?)

That's what the pundits claimed about the one that can hit Hawaii, Alaska, Yukon Territory, that is until NK fired one off in 1996 (I know I need to check dates).
North Korea is believed to be pretty close to having a missile that can the west coast and a lot of pundits believe they do have one but the only way we'll know, is if they test fire it into the pacific.
I would think they'd do it right away, to try and deter any attack on them. It's safe to assume right now that they don't have them.

Local news stations and the broadcast cable channels are finally starting to show stories on this.