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Yes, the US for years has sponsored terrorism across the globe.
Yes, the US has invaded, committed atrocities and destroyed nations.
Yes, the US government is responsible for the suffering of millions of people accross the world.

But those people didn't deserve to die in NYC.

And neither did the people in

China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1983-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Former Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 1991-20??
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-??

We have to stop the killing.

Or we're all going to end up dead.

I can't believe you forgot Rwanda genocide in 1994.

Finally. Someone who is not in the "9/11 mourn or die" frenzy.

Finally. Someone who is not in the "9/11 mourn or die" frenzy.


Why are you so bound and determined to be a dick?

Why are you so bound and determined to be a dick?

Relax, don't flame on this thread.

Relax, don't flame on this thread.


Im relaxed.
And I wasnt trying to flame, but all afternoon Ive read his posts about 9/11 and he just parrots the same lines over again.
Is it so hard to let those who wish to mourn, do so?

If you dont agree with remembering a tragedy, fine.
But why does he have to constantly berate, those who do?

I think he's more directing it at the hard-core, very pugnatious patriots with a "mourn or die" attitude like he said.

I wonder why we can't all mourn from the dead that lead to 11/9/2001 and the deaths after?

Also you forgot the other 9/11 - September 11, 1973 when Pinochet overthrew the democratic government of Chile with American help and set up a military dictatorship that killed thousands.

Pathetic. :mp5:

Yes, the US for years has sponsored terrorism across the globe.
Yes, the US has invaded, committed atrocities and destroyed nations.
Yes, the US government is responsible for the suffering of millions of people accross the world.

But those people didn't deserve to die in NYC.

And neither did the people in

China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53

All the other items listed were poorly thought out, blood soaked American misadventures but there is no doubt that American intervention in the Korean War has vastly improved the world... sure there were inevitable unavoidable casualties on both sides but the South's prosperity over the last 50 years has far redeemed the few years of chaos and war. North Korea was the aggressor and I shudder to think what the Korean peninsula would be like today if governed entirely from Pyongyang. The Chinese counter-intervention resulted in much more needless suffering than that caused by the US army, and the government of China is really regretting having aided North Korea. America is not responsible for "China 1950-1953"... that, along with most of the Chinese' peoples' suffering from 1949-1976, was caused by the stupidity of Mao Zedong. Today it is agreed by all, including the Peoples Republic of China, that America was right to defend South Korea.

I agree with you all the way, CPS.

Pathetic. :mp5:
I have no idea who you are, but I agree.

Wow, ok those events in past were terrible. Also, during the Korean War, China sent soldiers in to North Korea to help them fight off the UN. China supported an illegal invasion by helping North Korea. People in China shouldn't have died because the Chinese Government should have gotten it's head out of it's ass and not aided the North. Ditto for the corrupt North Korea government.

what about africa, 1500-present?

what about africa, 1500-present?
America hasn't been screwing around in Africa since then, he's trying to troll or something and list things America or America's military has been involved with since 1945.

The Korean War wasn't Americas fault, it was North Koreas stupid ass, dope head governments fault. Yugoslavia was not the Americans fault, it was Milosevic's fault. My friend grew up in Croatia when the war was on and he said the Yugoslavians killed tons of people, the US was just trying to stop the murder.

The Korean War wasn't Americas fault, it was North Koreas stupid ass, dope head governments fault. Yugoslavia was not the Americans fault, it was Milosavic's fault. My friend grew up in Croatia when the war was on and he said the Yugoslavians killed tons of people, the US was just trying to stop the murder.
I agree with you on Yugoslavia-Milosevic was a mad dog who needed to be stopped, however the US had no business sticking its nose in Korea

The US attacking Iraq was a worse crime than the Saudis attacking the WTC.

I agree with you on Yugoslavia-Milosevic was a mad dog who needed to be stopped, however the US had no business sticking its nose in Korea
Why shouldn't the US have defended South Korea?

.... blood soaked American misadventures but there is no doubt that American intervention in the Korean War has vastly improved the world....Everytime American Puppet Dictators kill thousands of Civileans....It has vastly improved the world..,no doubt :headbang:

The US attacking Iraq was a worse crime than the Saudis attacking the WTC.

I will color code related ideas for your convinience

Saudis! Saudis! It was a militant terrorist group run by a lunitic thinking he is backed by God. In Iraq, we did not go in for the right reasons, BUT we did have to go in. How many more Kurds had to die before its "ok" to go in, 1,000,000? 2,000,000? 6,000,000? Do we have to have a second Holocaust?? There are two reasons this atrocity isn't brought to the headlines. One is that there is only a small population of Kurds living outside of the middle east and two is that we put Sadam in there and we don't want to admit hes been killing Kurds

Why are we just focusing on american attrocities, There are so many atrocities that if we listed all of them it would have a huge impact due to all the sheer number. If we built a monument to remember the people of atrocities/wars that should not have been, all would see how bad all countries' leaderships and it would promote people to institute change. I'm not a big buff on wars that should not have been/atrocities but I think this thread could do quite well at it. I'm not trying to make the US sound like its perfect. By all means, I think that this has many terrible flaws, more than normal countries. It is a very savage place run by loop-holes and lazyness with a touch of dehumanizing the average Joe to just a statistic or just as things with the "almighty dollar." I am sickened and I say that instead of just complaining do something to say "THIS IS WRONG!" and institute change in the world to make it a better place.

Sorry, if I sound like a prick, but I'm just passionate about this subject and I just got off a hard days work. So, If I offend you, expecially New Granada, I apologize. Feel free to tell me how inconciderate I am/ Rip my post, i dont care

Everytime American Puppet Dictators kill thousands of Civileans....It has vastly improved the world..,no doubt :headbang:

Last time I checked, South Korea DOES NOT have a dictator!

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, an anti-war group.

http://peacefultomorrows.org/

There are 2 ways to approach the problem.

1. Complain about the others
2. Complain about yourself
3. Do Sumthin (deliberatly spelled wrong)

Yes September 11th is tragic and yes its been blown out of proportion, but it teaches us a very important lesson. The neglected and angry can hurt us anywhere. Learn and try to help people.

In Iraq, we did not go in for the right reasons, BUT we did have to go in. [/COLOR] How many more Kurds had to die before its "ok" to go in, 1,000,000? 2,000,000? 6,000,000? Do we have to have a second Holocaust??

Then why arent we in Sudan?

Becuase its not profitable, and it would be too messy.

Then why arent we in Sudan?

Becuase its not profitable, and it would be too messy.

Not necessarily true. Come to find out France has oil interest in Sudan. France said they won't support action in Sudan.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356597

There is a thread regarding France and Sudan!

I agree with you on Yugoslavia-Milosevic was a mad dog who needed to be stopped, however the US had no business sticking its nose in Korea
Yeah the UN had no business in Korea, becuase evryone knows that the whole penisula would be better off starving than just the north. :rolleyes:

Not necessarily true. Come to find out France has oil interest in Sudan. France said they won't support action in Sudan.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356597

There is a thread regarding France and Sudan!


Bush went to Iraq without the support of France.
If he were truly concerned about the liberation of oppressed indiviuals, why would he not also go into Sudan and help them there?

Last time I checked, South Korea DOES NOT have a dictator!

Not anymore, but they had to deal with Park Chung Hee for almost 20 years.

Check out this site Third World Traveller (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/) to learn how cozy the US was to some of the most corrupt and brutal dictators of all time.

Bush went to Iraq without the support of France.
If he were truly concerned about the liberation of oppressed indiviuals, why would he not also go into Sudan and help them there?

Do you have a short term memory?

US went to the UN first regarding Iraq. France and Russia were vowing vetoes. So we went in without the second UN resolution.

Now France is at it again. If France continues on this course, France will render the UN useless because they are stonewalling something that needs to be done, taking care of the genocide in Sudan

Now Bush is concerned about Sudan. So is the Secretary of State. However, if Bush goes in, he'll be labeled as a warmonger, a unilateralist, etc. He is doing the right thing by going through the UN. This is the UNs moment to shine. If it does the right thing then maybe the UN won't be as worthless as it is now.

I agree, We shouldn't be worried about others' thoughts if people are going to die. No casualty is a good casualty, I know, wars will cause casualties but, it will stop the steady casualtys that were there to begin with which will balance out, plus it will tell the world "THIS IS WRONG!," and if France doesn't help, take the oil and give it to OPEC

The US attacking Iraq was a worse crime than the Saudis attacking the WTC.
they are both equally bad

Why shouldn't the US have defended South Korea?
it was a korean issue

it was a korean issue

And I guess people forget that Korea was a UN Action and not a US action too.

Yes, the US for years has sponsored terrorism across the globe.
Yes, the US has invaded, committed atrocities and destroyed nations.
Yes, the US government is responsible for the suffering of millions of people accross the world.

But those people didn't deserve to die in NYC.

And neither did the people in

China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1983-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Former Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 1991-20??
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-??

We have to stop the killing.

Or we're all going to end up dead.

You are a pinko commie... But we kinda are responsible for 9/11, and for the cold war. After berlin fell in WWII we sould have taken the adivice of the germans, and attacked russians. And when the USSR invaded afgainistan, and were defeated, we should have killed bin laden and the young radicals who allreay publically hated america.

We should go unilaterally into Sudan. Unfortunately we don't have the troops to do so at the moment.

Yes, the US for years has sponsored terrorism across the globe.
Yes, the US has invaded, committed atrocities and destroyed nations.
Yes, the US government is responsible for the suffering of millions of people accross the world.

But those people didn't deserve to die in NYC.

And neither did the people in

China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1983-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Former Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 1991-20??
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-??

We have to stop the killing.

Or we're all going to end up dead.

Very good point.

Don't forget the original September 11, Chile, too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A716591

it was a korean issue
You could also call Milosevic's genocides a Yugoslav issue... your point?

There is no "legal" or "illegal" war, nor are there universal moral guidelines for going to or refraining from war. I think all wars are terrible and all war's motives are arbitrary... some will see a war as just, others will see it as evil. Likewise it can be argued that North Korea's invasion was not just a "Korean issue" but also involved American interests. The results of our wars are mixed but in the case of Korea, the US made a decision to go to war, and the world is a better place for it.

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, an anti-war group.

http://peacefultomorrows.org/
Excellent site. Thank you for posting it. :)

US went to the UN first regarding Iraq. France and Russia were vowing vetoes. So we went in without the second UN resolution.I see you are coming to terms with that. Great!!

Now France is at it again. If France continues on this course, France will render the UN useless because they are stonewalling something that needs to be done, taking care of the genocide in Sudan
The US has hindered the UN more than any other nation through her extensive use of vetoes and failure to support international initiatives. The UN has long been the US tool.

Now Bush is concerned about Sudan. So is the Secretary of State. However, if Bush goes in, he'll be labeled as a warmonger, a unilateralist, etc. He is doing the right thing by going through the UN. This is the UNs moment to shine. If it does the right thing then maybe the UN won't be as worthless as it is now.
He is probably going through the UN because he would rather not send troops to Sudan? He has bigger fish to fry in the Middle East?

I see you are coming to terms with that. Great!!

I've always known this CH. That is why, I have not bought anything French nor going to and I will not visit France! Call it a protest of what they did.

The US has hindered the UN more than any other nation through her extensive use of vetoes and failure to support international initiatives. The UN has long been the US tool.

Well we did create it! LOL! Ironically we did the League of Nations too but Congress never ratified it!

He is probably going through the UN because he would rather not send troops to Sudan? He has bigger fish to fry in the Middle East?

Or maybe he is trying to keep the UN from being a worthless organization?

Corneliu, don't take CanuckHeaven too seriously. He actually believes that the Liberals deserved re-election in Canada!

Corneliu, don't take CanuckHeaven too seriously. He actually believes that the Liberals deserved re-election in Canada!

Oh I know he does. This has been going on between us for awhile and it sorta turned into a game between us. Frankly, I do wish that the conservatives had won the Elections in Canada.

Oh I know he does. This has been going on between us for awhile and it sorta turned into a game between us. Frankly, I do wish that the conservatives had won the Elections in Canada.


You and me both.

Corneliu, don't take CanuckHeaven too seriously. He actually believes that the Liberals deserved re-election in Canada!
Sit back and take a seat. It should be a good year for Canada. :D

In my opinion, the only Liberal that I cared about getting re-elected was Ralph Goodale, my MP, because he is a very good, decent person and the NDP and Conservatives ran poor candidates.

In my opinion, the only Liberal that I cared about getting re-elected was Ralph Goodale, my MP, because he is a very good, decent person and the NDP and Conservatives ran poor candidates.
well then it wasn't a total lost cause. :D

Please stay on topic

I will color code related ideas for your convinience

Saudis! Saudis! It was a militant terrorist group run by a lunitic thinking he is backed by God. In Iraq, we did not go in for the right reasons, BUT we did have to go in. How many more Kurds had to die before its "ok" to go in, 1,000,000? 2,000,000? 6,000,000? Do we have to have a second Holocaust?? There are two reasons this atrocity isn't brought to the headlines. One is that there is only a small population of Kurds living outside of the middle east and two is that we put Sadam in there and we don't want to admit hes been killing Kurds

Why are we just focusing on american attrocities, There are so many atrocities that if we listed all of them it would have a huge impact due to all the sheer number. If we built a monument to remember the people of atrocities/wars that should not have been, all would see how bad all countries' leaderships and it would promote people to institute change. I'm not a big buff on wars that should not have been/atrocities but I think this thread could do quite well at it. I'm not trying to make the US sound like its perfect. By all means, I think that this has many terrible flaws, more than normal countries. It is a very savage place run by loop-holes and lazyness with a touch of dehumanizing the average Joe to just a statistic or just as things with the "almighty dollar." I am sickened and I say that instead of just complaining do something to say "THIS IS WRONG!" and institute change in the world to make it a better place.

Sorry, if I sound like a prick, but I'm just passionate about this subject and I just got off a hard days work. So, If I offend you, expecially New Granada, I apologize. Feel free to tell me how inconciderate I am/ Rip my post, i dont care
You ask me to stay on topic, fair enough, but can I ask you what does the war in Iraq have to do with Sept. 11, 2001?

Perhaps you have strayed off topic too? :rolleyes:

Wow, ok those events in past were terrible. Also, during the Korean War, China sent soldiers in to North Korea to help them fight off the UN. China supported an illegal invasion by helping North Korea. People in China shouldn't have died because the Chinese Government should have gotten it's head out of it's ass and not aided the North. Ditto for the corrupt North Korea government. Both North and South Korea were preparing to invade each other. The Kim Il Sung regime was actually warned by Stalin not to attack because the Soviets wanted to develop a nuclear arsenal before they challenged the West. However, after the South began preparing to invade, the North pre-empted.

How many more Kurds had to die before its "ok" to go in, 1,000,000? 2,000,000? 6,000,000? Do we have to have a second Holocaust?? There are two reasons this atrocity isn't brought to the headlines. One is that there is only a small population of Kurds living outside of the middle east and two is that we put Sadam in there and we don't want to admit hes been killing Kurds
Why the sudden concern for the Kurds?

After Saddam gassed Kurdish villages in 1988, the US increased finacial aid to Iraq the following year.

Iraq isn't the only nation to persecute the Kurds. Turkey has committed atrocities against its Kurdish population but the US remains silent.

If the US really cared about the Kurds, it would allow the Kurds to create their own state. The truth is, the US doesn't really care about the Kurds.

Yes, the US for years has sponsored terrorism across the globe.
Yes, the US has invaded, committed atrocities and destroyed nations.
Yes, the US government is responsible for the suffering of millions of people accross the world.

But those people didn't deserve to die in NYC.

And neither did the people in

China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1983-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Former Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 1991-20??
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-??

We have to stop the killing.

Or we're all going to end up dead. You forgot to mention US involvement in overthrowing democratic governments in Iran and Chile.

Also, you might want to mention the US backed invasion of Angola by apartheid South Africa. Or even the US support for islamic militants in Afghanistan that caused the Soviet Union to invade in 1979.

Ok, besides humans that are killed in suicide attacks in Afghanistan and some of the bombs that missed their targets, they have a much better life than under the Taliban. Girls were not allowed to go to school, women to not allowed to walk around the street without a head dressing, etc. Life for women/girls in Afghanistan is much better since the Taliban was over thrown than before it was.

Ok, besides humans that are killed in suicide attacks in Afghanistan and some of the bombs that missed their targets, they have a much better life than under the Taliban. Girls were not allowed to go to school, women to not allowed to walk around the street without a head dressing, etc. Life for women/girls in Afghanistan is much better since the Taliban was over thrown than before it was.Do you personaly know someone who lives in Afghanistan?

A teahcer from my school is serving as a peace keeper over there right now.

Ok, besides humans that are killed in suicide attacks in Afghanistan and some of the bombs that missed their targets, they have a much better life than under the Taliban. Girls were not allowed to go to school, women to not allowed to walk around the street without a head dressing, etc. Life for women/girls in Afghanistan is much better since the Taliban was over thrown than before it was.
Of course you have proof to back up your claims? I have heard that all is not rosey in Afghanistan?

Communist Dictador President for life Fidel Castro tells his people those that dont agree with me can leave on rafts, and anything that floats across 90 miles of shark infested waters and thats the USA fault, how nice.

Cuban boat people keep coming to escape the democratic communist paradise dictadorship and thats the USA Fault, how nice.

Over 2,000,000 Vietnamese boat people escaped Vietnams communist government after the communist took over all of Vietnam and Vietnam is a democratic communist paradise, how nice.
I work with a Vietnamese lady she says what I like most about the USA is the
freedom and that we are all americans, in my country there is no freedom, and if you are Vietnamese you are Vietnamese and if you are chinese that is
what you are.

In Cuba there is what we call tourists apartheid that is cubans with pesos or
dollars are not allowed to stay in their nations hotels, I just got a post card
letter go in with pesos or dollars, and im just beggining to get hot on this subject could start a new thread on this.

Well, everyone seems to be Pro-Taliban here by at leats not acknowledging that life is better for some people in Afghanistan after the fall of the them.

Well, everyone seems to be Pro-Taliban here by at leats not acknowledging that life is better for some people in Afghanistan after the fall of the them.
Well I am certainly not pro Taliban, if you were suggesting such, but I am pro truth. Here is an example:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/07/ma_454_01.html

Once the Northern Alliance had chased the last of the Taliban from Kabul, First Lady Laura Bush took over her husband's weekly radio address to comment on the success of the campaign. "Because of our recent military gains in much of Afghanistan," she said, "women are no longer imprisoned in their homes." U.S. newspapers ran front-page photographs of women tossing off their burkas; magazines ran triumphant articles on girls returning to school. In his first State of the Union address after the victory, the president declared, "Today women are free."

On the ground, however, the reality is decidedly more complicated. In some ways the lives of girls and women have clearly improved since the fall of the Taliban. UNICEF estimates that 1.2 million girls went to school last year, and educated women have begun returning to work as teachers, doctors, and lawyers. But such gains are largely limited to the capital of Kabul, where an international peacekeeping force maintains security. Provincial governors and former warlords, now known as "regional commanders," still rule substantial portions of Afghanistan, issuing restrictive edicts that differ from the Taliban's radical Islamic code only in degree. In Zebak province, in the country's northeast, regional commanders are forcing women into marriage, threatening their families' lives if they decline. And although the central government insists that women are no longer being arrested for "moral" crimes, police continue to jail women for adultery and eloping, often without trial or even so much as a witness against them.

Also read about the "chastity tests" that are being performed in other cities.

You can change the government but can you change the religion?

I can't believe you forgot Rwanda genocide in 1994.


Or the continuing rape and murder in the Sudan today...?
Or the murder of Russian schoolchildren...?


VERY selective in your choices.

Well I am certainly not pro Taliban, if you were suggesting such, but I am pro truth. Here is an example:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/07/ma_454_01.html

Once the Northern Alliance had chased the last of the Taliban from Kabul, First Lady Laura Bush took over her husband's weekly radio address to comment on the success of the campaign. "Because of our recent military gains in much of Afghanistan," she said, "women are no longer imprisoned in their homes." U.S. newspapers ran front-page photographs of women tossing off their burkas; magazines ran triumphant articles on girls returning to school. In his first State of the Union address after the victory, the president declared, "Today women are free."

On the ground, however, the reality is decidedly more complicated. In some ways the lives of girls and women have clearly improved since the fall of the Taliban. UNICEF estimates that 1.2 million girls went to school last year, and educated women have begun returning to work as teachers, doctors, and lawyers. But such gains are largely limited to the capital of Kabul, where an international peacekeeping force maintains security. Provincial governors and former warlords, now known as "regional commanders," still rule substantial portions of Afghanistan, issuing restrictive edicts that differ from the Taliban's radical Islamic code only in degree. In Zebak province, in the country's northeast, regional commanders are forcing women into marriage, threatening their families' lives if they decline. And although the central government insists that women are no longer being arrested for "moral" crimes, police continue to jail women for adultery and eloping, often without trial or even so much as a witness against them.

Also read about the "chastity tests" that are being performed in other cities.

You can change the government but can you change the religion?


Given I'm not that stupid Anne Coulter, I'm gonna say they can't change their religion. But see, it even says in some ways life for women and girls has improved since the fall of the Taliban.

Communist Dictador President for life Fidel Castro tells his people those that dont agree with me can leave on rafts, and anything that floats across 90 miles of shark infested waters and thats the USA fault, how nice.

Cuban boat people keep coming to escape the democratic communist paradise dictadorship and thats the USA Fault, how nice. Well, the US has tried very hard to destroy the Cuban economy, so that could explain some of Cuba's economic problems.

Castro isn't that bad compared to some of the other autocrats in the region. Strange how Castro is considered a monster but genocidal tyrants like Rios Montt were US allies.

Given I'm not that stupid Anne Coulter, I'm gonna say they can't change their religion. But see, it even says in some ways life for women and girls has improved since the fall of the Taliban.
Try this web site, which has stories from the NY Times, Globe and Mail, AP, etc.:

http://www.rawa.org/women.html

1. Cuban President Dictador Fidel Castro for life
2. Cuban boat people across 90 miles of shark infested waters on anything that floats.
3. Cuban apartheid style, Cubans are not allowed to stay in their nations hotels with pesos or american dollars. some paradise.
4. Cuba is the only nation in the world where the people are earn in Pesos and are forced by the government to buy certain goods in dollars that the people do not earn, they get paid in pesos the national currency and have to buy in dollars, why is that?
5. Cuba trades with almost every nation in the world and the people still lack
everything is that the USA Fault--- No.
6. The reason the embargo against Cuba is not working its because capitalist nations keep trading with Cuba unlike what they did with South Africa, and yes I will admit many Cuban Americans have their fault they send dollars and
packages to family at the same time they support the embargo and visit
family they cannot rent a hotel room for their familys in Cuba, Cuban nationals are not allowed.
7. I refuse to send dollars because the cuban government has the cuban people like hostages so that cuban americans will send dollars, thats why they are forced to buy certiain goods in dollars, a currency they do not earn, I am ashamed as a Cuban to admit that to the Nations States of the world,
that is not done in any Nation in the world.
I invite any nation to Post and or telegram me on this subject, but not so much on this thread, I will start a thread on Cuba.

I could go on and on, I have gotten off subject, I will start a Cuban thread
in the near future, you will find these arguments and others.
thank you.

No offence but would you prefer Batista and the mafia to control Cuba again?

Corneliu, don't take CanuckHeaven too seriously. He actually believes that the Liberals deserved re-election in Canada!


I believed they did as well, because quite frankly there was no other choice! The Liberal party of Canada has ruled this country for the better part of almost 65 years. With the exception of an 8 year term in the 50's and an 8 year term in the 80's and that last conservative government has gone down in history as the least popular in Canadian history. Canada is a liberal country and hopefully she always will be. Unless you can come up with a better alternative, I don't see the Liberals in this country losing Federal power any time soon.

(Oh sorry, I forgot about Joe Clark, which isn't hard to do given he was only in power for 8 months before the Liberals took the government back)

Having one-party dominate the political spectrum doesn't seem too democratic to me..

Having one-party dominate the political spectrum doesn't seem too democratic to me..

Hey people have a choice of 4 parties (there are more but not mainstream) in Canada. Liberals are the only ones that seem to ever do a good job. The conservatives are way to right wing for the taste of most Canadians and the NDP are far to left wing. The Bloc are just nut cases..lol So we seem to always vote in the Liberals. Any time the Conservatives have gotten in we have lived to regret it.

I dont take ofense at anyones political views as long as they can express them, Nation States of Nation States open your eyes to the cuban dictadorship, how much longer do we have to plead with the world.
A dictadorship is a dictadorship no matter the ideology.

Just as a response to other posters here:

As to being selective of my choices, I was deliberately picking American violence against other nations, not out of any deliberate ignoring of other wars and conflicts, but to basically highlight that America had done alot of harm and had therefore recieved some back. And this still doesn't change the fact that these people who died were CIVILIANS on either side - they have *no* responsibility for what their governments do. The untimely death of any civilians is tragic, no matter what nationality: "Blood has no nationality."

It's just my opinion, but I really don't care about who did what - if innocents die, it should be mourned. We are all humans, no matter what "nationality".

And yes, people would do well to remember Chile's 9/11.

Not a single mention of the CIA backed assasination of Allende 11 september 1973?
You dissapoint me C P S :p

Not a single mention of the CIA backed assasination of Allende 11 september 1973?
You dissapoint me C P S :p

I'll lay off the CIA for a moment ;) Poor bastards.

The CIA is simply a tool of the US government, so it makes no real difference.

You ask me to stay on topic, fair enough, but can I ask you what does the war in Iraq have to do with Sept. 11, 2001?

Perhaps you have strayed off topic too? :rolleyes:

If Sept. 11, 2001 had never happened, we would not be in Iraq, plus Iraq has been commiting attrocities against human life also, the reason this thread was started was to point out how bad Sept. 11th was, and how the US is commiting the same thing elsewhere, I was pointing out that all countries are doing these things, and something in the world has to change, I pointed otu the kurds as an example.

Oh, and KURDS ARE PEOPLE!!!!, it doesnt matter if its Turkish Kurds, Iraqi Kurds, or Cheese Kurds :p (ok, bad joke), So why not care about them as we would any other group of people