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Okay, there are some extremely stupid people who seem to think that teaching abstinance along with contraception sends a mixed message. That saying that both condoms, (which "promote" sex,) are in conflinct with abstinance, (which villifies sex), and if you teach people about both, they get confused. Now, I cannot honestly think of a time where I was simultaneously old enough to have sex, and still yet too young to be able to understand that its best not to have sex, but if you are, you should be protected.

Is there anyone here who supports the abstainers view?

I also think it's a stupid idea. Those crazy sex-negative people.

Abstinence works for me. I have absolutely no desire to have sex before I'm married or at least in a steady relationship. But then again, I'm 12 and I'm not super boy-crazy.

It is obviously best to teach both, teach abstinance as there is no better protection than not having sex and you teach protection for those who do not wish to wait, try to cover all the bases.

Actually...I'm abstaining, however I think its important that people learn ways to protect themselves if they so choose to have sex. In short, i support abstinence, but if people are going to have sex (which they will) then by all means they should know how.

Too...many...humans...

Based on my personal experience, I think it's a mistake to remain a virgin until marriage, but I wouldn't advocate putting that into a sex-ed curriculum. That said, abstinence-only education is one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. Don't know who said it, but it's true--"Abstinence works perfectly until it doesn't." In other words, it's all well and good to pledge yourself ot virginity, but carry a condom just in case you change your mind in the heat of the moment.

Actually...I'm abstaining, however I think its important that people learn ways to protect themselves if they so choose to have sex. In short, i support abstinence, but if people are going to have sex (which they will) then by all means they should know how.
Abstainance on a personal level: V. Good. Abstainance as public policy: V. Bad.

abstinence is a boon to sex education and stopping teen pregnancies, but of course the fundamentalists in charge of the country dont like logic or reason

Tyranny depends on inhibition of information.
Tyranny therefore is against the free flow of information.
Information comes from knowledge, which comes from experience.
Tyranny therefore is against the free choice of experience.
Sex is an experience.
Tyranny therefore is against the free choice of sexual activity.
America is against tyranny.
Doing something that is against what something else is against is good for the second something.
Therefore, having sex as you want to is patriotic. This includes sex before marriage.

abstinence is a boon to sex education and stopping teen pregnancies, but of course the fundamentalists in charge of the country dont like logic or reason
Nothing personal, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Nothing personal, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
yes it does, if you know the facts. when they started teaching abstinence ed in schools teen pregnancies started going up, it was discovered in a 1989 government study of schools and stuff. you can go look it up, might be hard to find

What's wrong with teen pregnancy? It happened in Bible times. It was expected. The only problems now are school, which they should teach by TV, and teens having less responsibility. Teach teens responsibility, especially the males like me, and you have less problems.

Let's face it--teenagers are gonna have sex. It's inevitable. There's no way we can stop that. Since teenagers are having sex, let's teach them about safe sex and all the issues that are involved with that.

Schools should also teach that abstinence is the best way to gol, too.

What's wrong with teen pregnancy? It happened in Bible times. It was expected. The only problems now are school, which they should teach by TV, and teens having less responsibility. Teach teens responsibility, especially the males like me, and you have less problems.
abstinence ed does not teach responsibility

abstinence ed class summary

make you sign something saying you wont have premarital sex, tell you sex is bad and you are bad for doing it, try to use inane scare tactics all semester to stop you from having sex.

yes it does, if you know the facts. when they started teaching abstinence ed in schools teen pregnancies started going up, it was discovered in a 1989 government study of schools and stuff. you can go look it up, might be hard to findYour original post said "abstinence is a boon to sex education and stopping teen pregnancies." A boon is a benefit. Abstinence has been horrible in that regard, as you said. You were misusing the word boon, which is why your statement didn't make any sense.

Your original post said "abstinence is a boon to sex education and stopping teen pregnancies." A boon is a benefit. Abstinence has been horrible in that regard, as you said. You were misusing the word boon, which is why your statement didn't make any sense.
yeah thanks sorry, worng word, i should stop using words i only half assed know the definition of

Tyranny depends on inhibition of information.
Tyranny therefore is against the free flow of information.
Information comes from knowledge, which comes from experience.
Tyranny therefore is against the free choice of experience.
Sex is an experience.
Tyranny therefore is against the free choice of sexual activity.
America is against tyranny.
Doing something that is against what something else is against is good for the second something.
Therefore, having sex as you want to is patriotic. This includes sex before marriage.


Then I am a patriotic American! :D

Feh. I'm all for open sex.

Problem is, the decisions of idiots (teenagers/whores) end up causing grief for the average taxpayer, in the form of welfare/social programs.

Therefore, I say that while open sex should be legal, the people who engage in it should be mocked and ridiculed.

do they teach abstinence in UK schools?

its a good idea to wait until you are of legal age before having sex

if you cant go into a store to buy condoms because you are too embarrassed, you arent old enough to have sex

abstinence is pretty useless as public policy. its an issue decided by individuals and those who decide they dont want to wait need good information if they are to avoid the pitfalls of sexual relationships.

How about having pre-marriages? Practice marriages. They could do that in sex-ed too. I am not being sarcastic here.

I wish sex ed teachers would shut their mouths about abstinence. Teens are gonna do what there going to regardless. I think safer sex should be emphasized on more then abstinence.

yeah thanks sorry, worng word, i should stop using words i only half assed know the definition of
De nada--figured that's what had happened.

How about having pre-marriages? Practice marriages. They could do that in sex-ed too. I am not being sarcastic here.

How would this possibly work :confused:

I think the total abstinence before marriage people really don't get it. The culture most of us find ourselves in over stimulates males visually and overstimulates females emotionally. No one is talking about how this makes abstinence unlikeely for most people.
Combine this with what in biological terms, is a late age for marriage, and you have a problem.
The real problem is that the cultural expectations are no longer consistant, and this is very damageing mentally, emotionally and even physically.
Men are so visually overstimulated that by the time they reach their 30s they are begining to have problems performing sexually. Further men nor women come to marriage educated in how to just be decent marriage partners, in otherwords with little idea of the real responsibilities of marriage and parenthood.
A complete education on sex includes people knowing that someone who cannot make a living probaby needs to at very least be using birth control, and probably would really be smart to hold off on sex altogether.People need to know that there are now 46 STDs out there, and that children cost money. Children deserve some level of support which iincludes good health care, education, fun, a chance at a good life ..
People need to know that sex is not an automatic right, that having children is not an automatic right either, that these are for people who can bear the consequences of sex and reproduction.
So real sex educatiion should include the message that absinence is best and also should include REAL information on birth control, disease avoidance and how to go about actually enjoying sex, and how to do so despite needing to take birth control and disease prevention steps. Too many men and women have no clue in that department either!
The question of how to go about even being a good life partner was not dealt with in the classes I had when I was young. That is as important as the instruction in birth control and disease prevention!
I mean at some point if they don't hear it at home (sadly most kids don't, instead too many see bad examples or they hear nothing!) children need to know that hitting your husband or wife is wrong, that cheating is wrong, and that being emotionally abusive is wrong and what to do about it if they are abused or mistreated, whether they are a man or a woman.
Bottom line, abstinence only type programs don't cut it!

Kids these days are a whole lot more intelligent than anyone gives them credit for. Most of them know more than the teachers do about sex and all of its stipulations by the time they're 10 years old. They KNOW that abstaining will prevent pregnancy - any idiot who knows that babies are not made when two women tie you to a bed and put ice cream on your willie knows that - and the fact that some snooty school official decides to call an audience to tell them about not having sex probably insults their dignity.

I really can't say I'm in favour of teaching it in schools. Teaching it at home, however, in the traditional father-son or mother-daughter Talk (note the capital T), would work wonders. Parents know how intelligent their children are, and if they've half a brain themselves, they'll talk with the kid, not at the kid.

Teaching safe sex in schools? Yes, that's probably one of the only good ideas concerning schooling systems made in America within the past decade. I say put condom dispensers in the bathrooms. Not those horrible, cheaply made gas station condoms, mind you, or Trojans. (The Trojan Horse entered the city, the inhabitants thinking it a gift, only to break open and release thousands of men, remember?) Would it really hurt to let the kids (whom we say on a daily basis 'are our future!') make some of their own choices? :P

How would this possibly work :confused:

Well, they used to do it all the time. You and a picked spouse take care of an egg or some object for a week or a month. You have to give it time and everything. The only difference is that I suggest that the students live together in the same house for that time. If they had sex while it was being done, then they'd be interrupted by a doll specially made for the program that whines and wets itself and stuff. They'd know that pregnancy wasn't worth the sex.

This way is for the people who like abstinance education.

Okay, did my last statement just go over everyone's heads or something?

Okay, did my last statement just go over everyone's heads or something?

Well, let me see if I understand your idea. You take a class of teens, teach them about sex, pair them off and then move them into a house to live with each other for a month :confused: Do you not see any problem with this :fluffle: for a month! between classes of kids up and down the nation ;)

Agreed that schools shouldn't teach abstinence only; however, they should emphasize the fact that abstinence is the only sure way to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies, and that with all other forms of protection there's a varying degree of risk. Kids should be made aware of all the options and all the risks.

Well, let me see if I understand your idea. You take a class of teens, teach them about sex, pair them off and then move them into a house to live with each other for a month :confused: Do you not see any problem with this :fluffle: for a month! between classes of kids up and down the nation ;)


Well, all I'm saying is that if they live together for a while they will get tired of each other, the crying doll doing it's job would keep them stressful, and they'd learn that sex ain't worth the hassle of a baby until they can handle it. The moving them in with each other thing wouldn't be too bad. Parents of the teens are still there and the teens are in seperate rooms. Condoms supplied just in case.

i think spoffin said it best in the very first post

when i was taught sex education, especially when it came to profelactics (sp?) they gave us the percentages of each method, what diseases it protected a person from and at one end or the other (depending whether the percentages were ascending or descending) was abstinance, for which the percentage was 100% protection... which is true.

however, they never really emphasized it except to say "the only way to be 100% safe is not to do it." and look at me, i turned out fine... though i did much reviewing of percentages of protection before i actually had sex, which could have helped.

oh, and apparantly the sex ed in the u.s. is terrible. sue johansen (for any of you who have heard of her, she's got a show called the sunday night sex show it airs in canada and now the states) anyways, she comes to my school every year to have a talk with us and answer questions and the like. well, she was talking about how she started having a show in the states and would get questions that everyone should know the answer to, such as "can i get pregnant if i swallow?" so yeah, you guys need a drastic system overhaul.

oh, and apparantly the sex ed in the u.s. is terrible. sue johansen (for any of you who have heard of her, she's got a show called the sunday night sex show it airs in canada and now the states) anyways, she comes to my school every year to have a talk with us and answer questions and the like. well, she was talking about how she started having a show in the states and would get questions that everyone should know the answer to, such as "can i get pregnant if i swallow?" so yeah, you guys need a drastic system overhaul.


Yeah, one girl in my class here in the state where I lived asked the school nurse if she was gonna get pregnant cause she jacked her boyfriend.

They don't teach about sex here. They show us pics of people with chlomidea and aids and say we will get it and don't ever have sex, EVER!!!

Betty Sue had Premarital sex with her boyfriend, Three months later, she was shot by a gang member.

Thats american Sex Ed

Hey all 10- 18 year olds out there:

Boink each other all you want, just be damn sure not to produce a child you are unready to care for.

I am weary of paying for kids not my own.

Betty Sue had Premarital sex with her boyfriend, Three months later, she was shot by a gang member.

Thats american Sex EdSadly, that's about right.