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Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

Talk to your principal about it, if you feel his is violating his obligation to be nonpartisan

Talk to your principal about it, if you feel his is violating his obligation to be nonpartisan
It's not even partisan-even Bush isn't saying that all Muslims hate america. He's teaching hate. That's not a partisan issue, no matter what I think of the Bush administration.

thing is,the teachers unions are so powerfull and fucked up in the head you can't fire someone for their beliefs no matter how fucked,and usually,even though they not supposed to teach their beliefs,the teachers unions will stick to their stupid stoburn asshole policy.Tragic really.

ok,theres a lot of people who need to get this straight. ALL generalizations are wrong. theres always at least one anomaly. also, theres a lot of people whpo hate america, and, guess what? most of them are christian.

Doesn't matter if he will be defended by the teachers union. you should at least try to report him to someone, whether it be the principal or the school board

we know generalizations are wrong,fool.Thats what this threads about.

The teachers unions will never move.


That could never happen at my school.Even if someone was stupid enough to say something like that,they would probably be stabbed,or ingnored,seeing as my school is predominatly muslim.I forget where I was going with this....

That's okay...
Back in the 80's, my friend's teachers were telling him that Freedom and Democracy were doomed, and that the Soviet Union would overwhelm us all...
You get idiots in the teaching profession, largely because we treat it less as a 'profession', and more as an 'expense'...

But, learning what of what you were told when you were growing up is a lie, and what (if any) of it was the truth, is an important part of growing up, nowadays...

{What? Me, cynical?}

I'd stab that teacher, and I'm a white non-muslim.

The teacher's unions are influential, sure, but there's no way this guy should be able to get away with saying that kind of thing. It's more than simply expressing a freedom of speech if he's teaching that as part of the curriculum. If he's simply said that, apart from the actual content of the course, that's another story and he can say what he likes, but if he's teaching it and expecting you to answer in this manner on a test, he's abusing his authority. Teachers have been fired for teaching that the holocaust never happened, and this situation is no different, as far as I can tell from what you've said.

My English teacher told the class some Muslims hate America, the there is a minority that don't, and some of the ones that hate us are British and Christain. To my knowledge, she never gave one of her beliefs, and just spouted out random facts.

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

Take it up with the Principal, and if that fails the Superintendant. Teaching hate to children during a time where many Muslim-America relations are strained could not end well.

I hate to tell you this,but the soviet union has actually conquered everything outside your state and has used propaganda and fake news and media to convince you otherwise.They will invade with the month.I must go now,the KGB will come after me now....

This is gonna sound idiotic, but when it comes to teaching Social and Political Studies, there is no room for opinions.

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.
Tell your principal and have your teacher fired. Racism is not tolerated in public schools, especially by teachers; assuming you are in public school.

No,there room for opnions,just not the opnions of bigots.

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

But if you're in that class, clearly YOU don't believe everything he says, so why assume the rest of the class is so moronic? As I said, it's one thing if he teaches it as part of the course, and another if he's throwing that opinion out there as something you may or may not accept, and maybe you're supposed to question it. Maybe he's being the devil's advocate? Your description is kind of vague. IN what context is he saying these things, and what is he saying? If you're at all unsure, you ought to bring this up with the administration

thing is,the teachers unions are so powerfull and fucked up in the head you can't fire someone for their beliefs no matter how fucked,and usually,even though they not supposed to teach their beliefs,the teachers unions will stick to their stupid stoburn asshole policy.Tragic really.

Yes, the Teacher's Union is powerful, and they will oppose most attempts to fire him... That is their job, as a Union!
On the other hand, if you can find a Muslim kid in the class who is offended by the statement, you might be able to 'play the system'...

Also, even if you are quite sure it "won't do any good", go ahead and complain, anyways...
If the Principal ignores you, take it to the board...
If the Board ignores you, take it to the Mayor...
If the Mayor ignores you, take it to the Governor and State Legislature...
and if they ALL ignore you, take it to the newspapers (even if it's only the letter columns...)!

The idea is not that you must succeed, but that you must, at least, give it some honest effort.
You might not be able to get the guy to shut up, but if the Union has to deal with enough complaints about this guy, they might be able to 'convince' him to teach his class the right way, without making 'Politically Insensitive' remarks...
and even if that doesn't happen, you will at least be able to get to sleep at night, knowing that you did your best...
{Hey, here's one! If there's a mosque in your negihborhood, try talking to someone there, about this guy, and have them write the School Board, demanding a retraction, and an apology, and for classroom time to set the record straight! School Boards positively HATE this kind of attention!}

I know many muslims who hate america (I live in a predominatly muslim area) but they hate america just like everyone else does.I mean,no offence,but practically EVERYONE hates america.Its got nothing to do with religion.Plus were Canadians,which contributes to our bitterness.

Well if you think about it most muslims do hate america. They are brought up in a society that teaches them to hate america. But you think, who wouldn't? Your country has bombed the shit out of muslims and shown must racism to muslims. What if they same happened to christians. Don't deny that you would hate them. And by saying this i am in no way trying to generalise muslims i am sure a lot of them feel their religion is hated from a few select individuals. I apologize if i have offended anyone

But if you're in that class, clearly YOU don't believe everything he says, so why assume the rest of the class is so moronic? As I said, it's one thing if he teaches it as part of the course, and another if he's throwing that opinion out there as something you may or may not accept, and maybe you're supposed to question it. Maybe he's being the devil's advocate? Your description is kind of vague. IN what context is he saying these things, and what is he saying? If you're at all unsure, you ought to bring this up with the administration

Children like me are stupid. Most of them already believe that Muslims are the enemy or hate us, anyhow. [Or maybe I have a stupid lunch period to talk to or something, I don't know.]
He's throwing it out as a fact and as truth, says the OP, also, by context.
And I do agree- bring it up with the administration.

Yes, the Teacher's Union is powerful, and they will oppose most attempts to fire him... That is their job, as a Union!
On the other hand, if you can find a Muslim kid in the class who is offended by the statement, you might be able to 'play the system'...

Also, even if you are quite sure it "won't do any good", go ahead and complain, anyways...
If the Principal ignores you, take it to the board...
If the Board ignores you, take it to the Mayor...
If the Mayor ignores you, take it to the Governor and State Legislature...
and if they ALL ignore you, take it to the newspapers (even if it's only the letter columns...)!

The idea is not that you must succeed, but that you must, at least, give it some honest effort.
You might not be able to get the guy to shut up, but if the Union has to deal with enough complaints about this guy, they might be able to 'convince' him to teach his class the right way, without making 'Politically Insensitive' remarks...
and even if that doesn't happen, you will at least be able to get to sleep at night, knowing that you did your best...
{Hey, here's one! If there's a mosque in your negihborhood, try talking to someone there, about this guy, and have them write the School Board, demanding a retraction, and an apology, and for classroom time to set the record straight! School Boards positively HATE this kind of attention!}


True,the newspapers would love it!

This is gonna sound idiotic, but when it comes to teaching Social and Political Studies, there is no room for opinions.

that doesn't sound idiotic, but it does sound like an opinion. you aren't some kind of teacher , are you?! No thoughts of your own! Just read from the approved text. Offend nobody, and nobody will ever offend you. Ah whatever. So the guy feels a certain way. He's no worse than the people who hate America. He probably has just as stupid and laughable an argument for his opinion as they do. If you really feel strongly that this should be addressed, then report it to the local newspaper or television station. get the SOB on tape so you have proof. Union or not, publich outcry will be enough to shut him up.
or pee in his gas tank and write "Muslims don't hate America. Muslims only hate you!" in feces on his windshield. Or don't. I don't care.

Children like me are stupid. Most of them already believe that Muslims are the enemy or hate us, anyhow. [Or maybe I have a stupid lunch period to talk to or something, I don't know.]
Let's hope it's the latter. Otherwise, there's the future of the nation, ladies and gentlemen.

Well if you think about it most muslims do hate america. They are brought up in a society that teaches them to hate america. But you think, who wouldn't? Your country has bombed the shit out of muslims and shown must racism to muslims. What if they same happened to christians. Don't deny that you would hate them. And by saying this i am in no way trying to generalise muslims i am sure a lot of them feel their religion is hated from a few select individuals. I apologize if i have offended anyone


That mostly happens in countries in which the populace is largely uneducated,poor,an then a guy comes along with his fucked interpertation of the most Holy Qu'ran,thats basically designed to rally the people and put him in power.And a comen hatred is a very good unifiyer.

thing is,the teachers unions are so powerfull and fucked up in the head you can't fire someone for their beliefs no matter how fucked,and usually,even though they not supposed to teach their beliefs,the teachers unions will stick to their stupid stoburn asshole policy.Tragic really.

Untrue. The advice you received is correct; bring it to your principal's attention, and to your school board's if you get no satisfaction. If it happened as you presented it, it is an impropriety.

you underestimate the power of the fucked union mofos,my son.

that doesn't sound idiotic, but it does sound like an opinion. you aren't some kind of teacher , are you?! No thoughts of your own! Just read from the approved text. Offend nobody, and nobody will ever offend you. Ah whatever. So the guy feels a certain way. He's no worse than the people who hate America. He probably has just as stupid and laughable an argument for his opinion as they do. If you really feel strongly that this should be addressed, then report it to the local newspaper or television station. get the SOB on tape so you have proof. Union or not, publich outcry will be enough to shut him up.
or pee in his gas tank and write "Muslims don't hate America. Muslims only hate you!" in feces on his windshield. Or don't. I don't care.

Heh. Thats not what I was getting at. I believe open discussion between students and the teacher is a great idea, however a teacher is not supposed to teached based on personal opinion.

that teacher and Bush must be related, because stupidity like that does not usually flow through our gene pool

true

Let's hope it's the latter. Otherwise, there's the future of the nation, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't believe that at all. When i was 14 I had all sorts of ideas and opinions that i formed based on knowledge and wisdom of my age and surroundings. I grew out of them when I was old enough to see the world for what it really was. Kids aren't stupid. Kids just believe stupid things because that is what they think they are supposed to believe. I used to think things politically that couldn't be backed up with anything more than slogans and popular opinion (which I grew to realize was no way to base my judgement-the herd is and always will be dumb)
So what kids think now is just that.

you underestimate the power of the fucked union mofos,my son.


Let me put it to you this way: if no one speaks up, this *will* continue. If someone speaks up, there is a good chance this will end. If it is not handled appropriately, there are organizations you can contact that fight against racism.

ok,theres a lot of people who need to get this straight. ALL generalizations are wrong. theres always at least one anomaly. also, theres a lot of people whpo hate america, and, guess what? most of them are christian.

So... there must be at least one generalization that isn't wrong... ;)

I know about an even number of Muslims and Jews, to be honest, I think from the stats that I got Jews hate America more. I have seen Jews want all Christian Americans (well Christians in general) killed by Osama bin Larden.

the teachers unions are all powerfull!!

I hate unions....someone should liqudate all of them.I mean,they ok if your actually being treated unfairly,but now their just tools for lazy,greedy americans.A once noble thing,now defending white supremists.

hey,wanna hear a story about unions?My grandfather was a subway worker guy in New York.These guys want him to join the union,make them more powerfull.He refuses.He belived that if your good,you keep your job,and if you suck you lose it.Fair enough.Guess what they do?They attack him in an ally and beat him unconscious with hammers and pieces of pipe.

Great,huh?

But if you're in that class, clearly YOU don't believe everything he says, so why assume the rest of the class is so moronic? As I said, it's one thing if he teaches it as part of the course, and another if he's throwing that opinion out there as something you may or may not accept, and maybe you're supposed to question it. Maybe he's being the devil's advocate? Your description is kind of vague. IN what context is he saying these things, and what is he saying? If you're at all unsure, you ought to bring this up with the administration

Hate to disillusion you, but most people are sheep. S/he's probably the only one in the class with the brains to question authority. That's how it was in my day.

I know about an even number of Muslims and Jews, to be honest, I think from the stats that I got Jews hate America more. I have seen Jews want all Christian Americans (well Christians in general) killed by Osama bin Larden.

your crazy.No offence.

I'm going to sleep.Remember,whitey's out to get you,Babylon must fall before we are free.

Fight the power!With guns and knives and processed food!

Goodnight,great talking with you guys.

your crazy.No offence.

I'm going to sleep.Remember,whitey's out to get you,Babylon must fall before we are free.

Fight the power!With guns and knives and processed food!

Goodnight,great talking with you guys.

It may seem crazy, but sadly it is the truth. Muslims at least hold the Messiah in a respectable place, not make offensive remarks about him and his followers...unlike...some group

I know about an even number of Muslims and Jews, to be honest, I think from the stats that I got Jews hate America more. I have seen Jews want all Christian Americans (well Christians in general) killed by Osama bin Larden.

Suck it, nazi.

Suck it, nazi.

Oh tell me, is that the best response you got?

I won't take your guilt trips to heart, after all its you who can't handle the truth. I guess the blind can't see, and the deaf can't hear, both of which can be said about you.

Oh tell me, is that the best response you got?

I won't take your guilt trips to heart, after all its you who can't handle the truth. I guess the blind can't see, and the deaf can't hear, both of which can be said about you.
No it's just that I've read your shit before and that's all I'm willing to give it. Except this:

I hope your mother is happy with the little brown baby of her ethiopian jewish boyfriend.

No it's just that I've read your shit before and that's all I'm willing to give it. Except this:

I hope your mother is happy with the little brown baby of her ethiopian jewish boyfriend.

Do I hate the Nation of Israel? Yes I do, you know why, because the people in it are not Israelites.

Do I hate the Jews? No, but I have seen many that hate me, and my fellow Christendom Soldiers.

If I knew you, after reading that crap joke, I would probably beat the living...oh wait...I would beat the living **** out of you. Then again, I guess I feel sorry for you, after all this life doesn't hold much for you, the next life doesn't either. You turn your back from YHWH this life, he turns his back from you in the next.

On an end note, your pathetic, so sad that I feel sorry for you, I mean I guess having your parents being brother and sister must do that to you. So, any plans to bed your sister? I bet there are.

know about an even number of Muslims and Jews, to be honest, I think from the stats that I got Jews hate America more. I have seen Jews want all Christian Americans (well Christians in general) killed by Osama bin Larden.
Suck it, nazi.

non-mod

I think you both should maybe chill... This kind of rhetoric has no place here.

Hate to disillusion you, but most people are sheep. S/he's probably the only one in the class with the brains to question authority. That's how it was in my day.
Well, in "my day", teachers tend to encourage discussion, critical thought, and analysis, even of what those teachers themselves are saying. I'm yet to meet a student who takes everything his teacher says for fact, and doesn't disagree with some things that teacher might say, especially in social studies classes and the like. Are you saying the majority of teenagers DON't question authority? Just when was your day? Plenty of teenagers like to disagree with authority. Where do you think the stereotype of the rebellious teen came from? Just because one person tells you something doesn't mean you'll believe it's true, even if you are fourteen. Give people a little credit, or at least realize that they are told plenty of different things, and have to be at least partially aware that there's more than one side to each argument. If not, I wonder at just how these students have been so isolated that their only source of information in the world it a High School social studies teacher.

Another reason I hate Israel...I'll sum it up with my own little quote...

"Better to have an enemy that openly attacks you, than have an ally that does it in secret"

Sounds like the famous (1969) Brandenburg v. Ohio case. He can't be charged with anything because nothing he said has been linked to violence against Muslims yet.

Look, Judaism, Islam, Christianity somehow all follow the same god and have a portion of the stories in their books. But for some reason, the Koran also includes all of the stories rejected from the Bible as false, uninspired writings which should tell you that whoever put it together didn't care about authenticity of the writings....

Now let's all read Salman Rushdie's book Satanic Verses. Here we have a Muslim or former Muslim writing a book about terrorist acts with the main character modelled on Mohammed and etc. It also contains verses from the Koran.

Well, in "my day", teachers tend to encourage discussion, critical thought, and analysis, even of what those teachers themselves are saying.
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Oh, and where'd you go to school. FRANCE? :rolleyes:

Suck it, nazi.No it's just that I've read your shit before and that's all I'm willing to give it. Except this:

I hope your mother is happy with the little brown baby of her ethiopian jewish boyfriend.after all its you who can't handle the truth. I guess the blind can't see, and the deaf can't hear, both of which can be said about you.These posts are bordering on the unacceptable. Take the personal attacks elsewhere, guys. And I don't believe this was supposed to be an "Isreal hate thread", either.

These posts are bordering on the unacceptable. Take the personal attacks elsewhere, guys. And I don't believe this was supposed to be an "Isreal hate thread", either.

My apologies to Max and the team.

Sounds like the famous (1969) Brandenburg v. Ohio case. He can't be charged with anything because nothing he said has been linked to violence against Muslims yet.

[b]Look, Judaism, Islam, Christianity somehow all follow the same god and have a portion of the stories in their books. But for some reason, the Koran also includes all of the stories rejected from the Bible as false, uninspired writings which should tell you that whoever put it together didn't care about authenticity of the writings....

Now let's all read Salman Rushdie's book Satanic Verses. Here we have a Muslim or former Muslim writing a book about terrorist acts with the main character modelled on Mohammed and etc. It also contains verses from the Koran.[b]

Oh please. Look at a catholic bible and a protestant bible. They're both very different. Does that mean the pope and/or Luther didn't care about authenticity?

Furthermore, lets read the Left Behind series. You know, where Jesus is a firey vengeful being who really likes to kill shit and blow stuff up.

So how does the inside of your ass look these days?

the Koran also includes all of the stories rejected from the Bible as false, uninspired writings which should tell you that whoever put it together didn't care about authenticity of the writings....

Now let's all read Salman Rushdie's book Satanic Verses. Here we have a Muslim or former Muslim writing a book about terrorist acts with the main character modelled on Mohammed and etc. It also contains verses from the Koran.

Hmmm I doubt you have read the Koran. I am reading it myself at the moment.

Have you even read Satanic Versus? Iran did Rushdie a HUGE favor by declaring a death sentence. That book was BORING! I had to force myself to finish it. At the time I didn't make the connection with the Prophet.

Hmmmm. Re-reading this post........Are you a Christian?

Regarding the original content of this thread:

If I had a teacher like that, I would have a feild day.

First I would definitly counter what the teacher is saying, and start yelling if I had too. I won't tolerate it when people say such ignorant BS, from anyone, but esspecially a teacher. I would make a scene, try to embarass the teacher by pointing out how stupid what he/she is saying is, and I wouldn't stand for "sit down, don't talk back" until he/she had admited she was wrong. If I got in trouble, or he/she refused to listen, then I would bring it to the principal, and if I still got in trouble to the school board and the local paper. Even if they did admit they were wrong, I would still tell the principal about it. Don't stand for what this teacher is doing. Tell the principal, and tell the teacher off.

Oh, and where'd you go to school. FRANCE? :rolleyes:
I can't tell if that was intended as an attack on me, personally, on the French or on freedom of concience. In any case, I'm unsure what prejudice you have against French people and their education system. I can only assume that you have studied in French schools, because you clearly know all about how wrong their methods of education are.

If teaching religion in a state funded school is against the law, then teaching hate or fear of a particular religion should be as well, IMHO...

I can't tell if that was intended as an attack on me, personally, on the French or on freedom of concience. In any case, I'm unsure what prejudice you have against French people and their education system. I can only assume that you have studied in French schools, because you clearly know all about how wrong their methods of education are.

...Dude, you TOTALLY missed it.

You said that in your day you were encouraged towards discussion, debating, and learning things. He responded with "WHere'd you go to school, FRANCE?"

This is implying that such a school would not exist in the US. It was made as a humourous comment :p. France was most likily used because people seem to hate it for some reason.

All Muslims hate America...?
Well, that's a reaction to the way America treats Muslims.

thing is,the teachers unions are so powerfull and fucked up in the head you can't fire someone for their beliefs no matter how fucked,and usually,even though they not supposed to teach their beliefs,the teachers unions will stick to their stupid stoburn asshole policy.Tragic really.



It sounds as though you are a bit of an expert on descriptive writing and spelling. Perhaps the teachers need someone like you to teach them the errors of their ways!

(We must not laugh too loudly, must we?)

I'd stab that teacher, and I'm a white non-muslim.


Are you as stupid as you probably look?

Tell your principal and have your teacher fired. Racism is not tolerated in public schools, especially by teachers; assuming you are in public school.


Speaking against Islam not racism. Islam is not a race, it is a religion. You are speaking of religious prejudice.

To be fair - the teacher isn't wrong. Pretty much everyone hates the USA.

I know many muslims who hate america (I live in a predominatly muslim area) but they hate america just like everyone else does.I mean,no offence,but practically EVERYONE hates america.Its got nothing to do with religion.Plus were Canadians,which contributes to our bitterness.


Well, you can't complain then if the Americans kick your silly little ignorant butt, then. Can you?

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

Yes, all islamic people hate the US, Jesus resurected on third day, people didn't evolve from apes but trough inbreeding of the family Adam AND bush has never used cocaine.

That mostly happens in countries in which the populace is largely uneducated,poor,an then a guy comes along with his fucked interpertation of the most Holy Qu'ran,thats basically designed to rally the people and put him in power.And a comen hatred is a very good unifiyer.


For God's sake write in correct English!

Hmmm I doubt you have read the Koran. I am reading it myself at the moment.

Have you even read Satanic Versus? Iran did Rushdie a HUGE favor by declaring a death sentence. That book was BORING! I had to force myself to finish it. At the time I didn't make the connection with the Prophet.

Hmmmm. Re-reading this post........Are you a Christian?


The fact that you can't understand correct English is your problem.

do uz nt no tha dis iz a f0r|_|m wiv ppl frm all tha worldz?! LOLerZ!

Regarding the original content of this thread:

If I had a teacher like that, I would have a feild day.

First I would definitly counter what the teacher is saying, and start yelling if I had too. I won't tolerate it when people say such ignorant BS, from anyone, but esspecially a teacher. I would make a scene, try to embarass the teacher by pointing out how stupid what he/she is saying is, and I wouldn't stand for "sit down, don't talk back" until he/she had admited she was wrong. If I got in trouble, or he/she refused to listen, then I would bring it to the principal, and if I still got in trouble to the school board and the local paper. Even if they did admit they were wrong, I would still tell the principal about it. Don't stand for what this teacher is doing. Tell the principal, and tell the teacher off.


Are you allowed to suck your thumb in your class? Because that's all you'd be doing!

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.


You are saying that 14 year olds are impressionable, and yet in the same breath complain about what your teacher said? This proves that at least you as a 14 year old is far from impressionable. Why do you then assume that all the other members of the class are impressionable? You seem to be insulting the intelligence of the other members of the class!

If teaching religion in a state funded school is against the law, then teaching hate or fear of a particular religion should be as well, IMHO...
They are still teaching in school? I thought they stopped doing that years ago...

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

You should have said, very loud, "All your Muslims are belong to us!" then blown up the classroom screaming "Praise Allah!"

Or, barring that, whenever you see your teacher from now on, just say, "Asalam alaykum" and get all shifty eyed.

Another reason I hate Israel...I'll sum it up with my own little quote...

"Better to have an enemy that openly attacks you, than have an ally that does it in secret"

It seems that all you 14 year olds with the mind of a 4 year old ought to go outside and play. This is no place for minds full of mush to be mentally masturbating. What a bunch of infantile losers!

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

While the statement "all Muslims hate America" is incorrect, I have of late been studying Islam and the writings of Muslim thinkers, and I have come to the conclusion that the more devout a Muslim, the more likely it is that he will be hostile towards the US and other secular open societies. It is difficult to summarise in a post, but I do not think that true Islam is compatable with the principles of an egalitarian democracy.

The position of women in Islam is a good example of this. Most Muslims will argue 'till they're blue in the face that Islam protects women, and that the descrimination in places like Saudi is a perversion of the teachings of Islam. Many will say that Muhammad was the first feminist ever. Even a cursory reading of the Qur'an reveals that this is not the case. Most glaring, is Muhammad's permitting Muslim men to have sex with "those that their right hands possess" ie slaves. Never it is specified that this sex need be consensual. The Qu'ran specifies in no uncertain terms that women are inferior to men.

Much of the Qur'an is taken up with slaughtering infidels, and a perusal of the life of Muhammad reveals plenty of precedents for the sort of behaviour exhibited by Muslim extremists today. A good example is the beheading of hundreds of prisoners after the breaking of a seige. The Qur'an and Hadith even tell Muslims not to get too friendly with non-Muslims. A fairly "mainstream" Muslim organisation in the States in a Q&A section stated that while Muslims could be friendly with non-Muslims, they were forbidden from liking any non-Muslim as much as any Muslim.

As I say, while your teachers statement is not correct, it is not without some justification. I started reading up on the religion thinking that, as with most things, the more I learned, the more I would understand and be sympathetic towards the religion. I was surprised to find that this was not the case. I am not religious myself, by the way, so that is not where I am coming from. I used to think that if the socio-economic position of the average muslim and the average Christian were reversed that Christian fundmentalists would be the terrorists. But the fact of the matter is that the teachings of Christ do not provide any justification for the likes of the Beslan school incident, and I am afraid that the same cannot be said for the teachings of Muhammad.

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

I hope he isn't representative of the Christian Evangelistic right ...

ALL generalizations are wrong. theres always at least one anomaly.

Hmmm...isn't this a generalization?

...ALL generalizations are wrong....
So... there must be at least one generalization that isn't wrong... ;)

In which case it is, in which case it probably isn't, in which case it is...

Anyone seen my aspirin... :)

Muslims hate america?



Pffft, tell me something i dont know.

While the statement "all Muslims hate America" is incorrect, I have of late been studying Islam and the writings of Muslim thinkers, and I have come to the conclusion that the more devout a Muslim, the more likely it is that he will be hostile towards the US and other secular open societies. It is difficult to summarise in a post, but I do not think that true Islam is compatable with the principles of an egalitarian democracy.

The position of women in Islam is a good example of this. Most Muslims will argue 'till they're blue in the face that Islam protects women, and that the descrimination in places like Saudi is a perversion of the teachings of Islam. Many will say that Muhammad was the first feminist ever. Even a cursory reading of the Qur'an reveals that this is not the case. Most glaring, is Muhammad's permitting Muslim men to have sex with "those that their right hands possess" ie slaves. Never it is specified that this sex need be consensual. The Qu'ran specifies in no uncertain terms that women are inferior to men.

Much of the Qur'an is taken up with slaughtering infidels, and a perusal of the life of Muhammad reveals plenty of precedents for the sort of behaviour exhibited by Muslim extremists today. A good example is the beheading of hundreds of prisoners after the breaking of a seige. The Qur'an and Hadith even tell Muslims not to get too friendly with non-Muslims. A fairly "mainstream" Muslim organisation in the States in a Q&A section stated that while Muslims could be friendly with non-Muslims, they were forbidden from liking any non-Muslim as much as any Muslim.

As I say, while your teachers statement is not correct, it is not without some justification. I started reading up on the religion thinking that, as with most things, the more I learned, the more I would understand and be sympathetic towards the religion. I was surprised to find that this was not the case. I am not religious myself, by the way, so that is not where I am coming from. I used to think that if the socio-economic position of the average muslim and the average Christian were reversed that Christian fundmentalists would be the terrorists. But the fact of the matter is that the teachings of Christ do not provide any justification for the likes of the Beslan school incident, and I am afraid that the same cannot be said for the teachings of Muhammad.
Well, the Qur'an is only continuing the tradition of the Torah, where killing infidels is acceptable and even the expressed will of god. And also Christianity has not been too peaceful over the last couple of centuries. So I wouldn't draw the line there. The main factor in the hatred of Muslims against the US, is the economic and political situation in countries that have a mainly Muslim population. It is not really surprising that many in the region view the US and their policies of cooperation with oppressive regimes to gain economic advantages as a main reason for their own plight. Turkey is pretty US-friendly although almost entirely Muslim, but in Turkey the population is not as poor as in other countries of the Middle East, so I don't think taht the hatred does not mainly come from religious views really.
And then there is, of course, the issue of Israel, which would not exist if the US had not supported it massively with money and military. Besides giving Jews a place to live the implantation of Israel into the region was an effective way to prevent Arab unification and independence from the West.

Muslims hate america?



Pffft, tell me something i dont know.

1/3 of the world's population is Chinese.
1/3 of the world's population is Muslim.

I wonder what all those boxers and other american celebreties do with their muslim names and faith, since 9/11 :p

Cassius Clay was one of them, but I'm sure there are more. How many blacks call themselves Jamal? :D Not being racist here, just wondering. Their affinity for Islam has cooled probably?

I doubt the "celebrities" who are Muslims denounced their faith after 9/11.

I am a Muslim and I live in the Middle East, and it is simply not true that all Muslims hate America. Almost everyone I've met loves the USA as a country, but is peeved about it's government and leaders. In fact, many of the middle-to-higher class Muslims go to study in American universities or visit it on vacation during the summer.(Like I myself did in the summer of 1999. Nice country you have there. :) ) So anyways, the stereotype that all Muslims hate America is wrong, although it may apply to some of the poorer and less fortunate countries.

I can't tell if that was intended as an attack on me, personally, on the French or on freedom of concience. In any case, I'm unsure what prejudice you have against French people and their education system. I can only assume that you have studied in French schools, because you clearly know all about how wrong their methods of education are.

All wrong. Just a joke on how "popular" the French are around here (U.S.A.) these days. ;) I have no clue how schools are in France, it was really a joke directed at franco-bashers in the U.S.A.

Anyway I still don't know where you go/went to school (public? (magnet?)), but believe me here in n.c. it is at times a celebration of inherited ignorence.

For God's sake write in correct English!

WHut's tha mater? Ar yu havin trubble kyping upp?

Well, the Qur'an is only continuing the tradition of the Torah, where killing infidels is acceptable and even the expressed will of god. And also Christianity has not been too peaceful over the last couple of centuries. So I wouldn't draw the line there. The main factor in the hatred of Muslims against the US, is the economic and political situation in countries that have a mainly Muslim population. It is not really surprising that many in the region view the US and their policies of cooperation with oppressive regimes to gain economic advantages as a main reason for their own plight. Turkey is pretty US-friendly although almost entirely Muslim, but in Turkey the population is not as poor as in other countries of the Middle East, so I don't think taht the hatred does not mainly come from religious views really.
And then there is, of course, the issue of Israel, which would not exist if the US had not supported it massively with money and military. Besides giving Jews a place to live the implantation of Israel into the region was an effective way to prevent Arab unification and independence from the West.

Actually the killing of infidels in the Tenach (O.T.) and the Q'ran seem to me to be two different approaches to the same end.

In the Tenach, G-d tells His people to kill certain people, and although He generally says why, more or less, He does not provide rules for when to decide to kill them. He decides, on a case-by-cae basis, when it comes to the treatment of pagan nations. (Although the Laws that He gives Israel are to be applied to Foreigners, and not just Israelites, who are living there.) He told them to kill all the Canaanites who were living in the Land, from the youngest to the oldest of all genders and species. And when the gibeonite Canaanites tricked the Israelites into thinking they too were nomadic travellers, and joining a peace treaty with them, He told them that they must honour it, and spare them.

In the Q'ran Allah tells His people to make war with unbelievers, but also to enter peace treaties with them if they met certain requirements, and to honour those treaties, for His honour, as long as the unbelievers do. He also reminds them that Jews and Christians are not unbelievers, but believers under seperate covenents with Him, and not to make war on them.



B.T.W. some might say that Israel would not exist today had Jah not decreed it. And for the record (please do not take this as attack) the Jews did have a place to live, places, in the Middle East, until the Ottomons lost and the arab neighbours rose up against them. Or not. ;) That's what I heard but feel free to correct me, as I am sure some here are more learned.

You should turn in your social studies teacher. He should remain unbiased when teaching a class. Also, he should NOT be telling his students that every Muslim hates America. There's quite a few on my college campus, and in fact, they LOVE America!

Your teacher sounds like a RW idiot who can do nothing but spew hate to your class. :headbang:

I think some of my friends who are Muslim would feel pretty pissed about this, beings they love America. Kill your teacher.

I think some of my friends who are Muslim would feel pretty pissed about this, beings they love America. Kill your teacher.

Terrorist! :eek:

In the Q'ran Allah tells His people to make war with unbelievers, but also to enter peace treaties with them if they met certain requirements, and to honour those treaties, for His honour, as long as the unbelievers do. He also reminds them that Jews and Christians are not unbelievers, but believers under seperate covenents with Him, and not to make war on them.


That is one of the interesting things about the Qu'ran. Yes it does say that about Christians and Jews, but later on it says to make war on them if they get in the way. Muhammad's initial revelations were fairly benign, but later on they get pretty violent. I know of at least one "mainstream" cleric explaining that this is because Allah told Muhammad to be peaceful and keep his head down in the early days, but once Muslims had grown in number and strength Allah started feeding him the "slaughter the infidels" stuff.

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.

That's ridiculous, is he prejudice or just terribly misinformed?

Or so my Social Studies teacher thinks.

Honestly, he's telling that to a bunch of impressionable 14 year old kids will believe every word he says. I am in disbelief that he would teach this.
Sounds like my French teacher who had said (when talkin about Nazi Occupation of France) "THANK GOD we came and kicked the Nazis out or else we might be speaking German today!"

I can honestly say that I've never encountered any group of 14-year-olds who would listen to a statement such as "All Muslims hate the USA" and believe it outright. Seriously, they're not brainless enough to swallow a generalization like THAT! And if they truly are... then I shudder for the future of the world.

As for the teacher... I would go up to them after your next class and quietly let them know that you were offended by their comment. Maybe they didn't realise how forthright they were being, and they deserve one chance. If they then do it again, report their ass!