Bush and the abortion he forced to a former girlfriend
Mr Basil Fawlty
09-09-2004, 00:47
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
BastardSword
09-09-2004, 00:49
What Girlfreind, will she testify?
Druthulhu
09-09-2004, 00:49
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
You forgot something...
Mr Basil Fawlty
09-09-2004, 00:51
What Girlfreind, will she testify?
Imagine that, the bastard will hang due to his own politics then.
The story is knowed under journalists, came out today on BBC and the Dutch TV
Xenophobialand
09-09-2004, 00:53
Wait. . .while I admit this is a chance to make Bush squirm (although honestly, I think that Bush could sodomize his daughters on the White House lawn and it wouldn't make a dent in his poll numbers. After all, if Lot can commit incest, and Lot's a godly man, then by George, so can George!), I still need some evidence of this to believe in it. Where is there evidence of this?
Mr Basil Fawlty
09-09-2004, 00:56
Where is there evidence of this?
I don't know, it was hot news in England and Holland (their DC journalists talked about this rumor). I hope it is true (but I think the Reps will kill the women before she can testify or, better for her, buy her out).
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
wasnt it his black girlfriend that he drove to a back alley abortion mill in the 70s?
also Kitty Kelley just wrote a book about Bush sniffen coke and smoking joints at Camp David when his useless father was President
Mr Basil Fawlty
09-09-2004, 01:00
wasnt it his black girlfriend that he drove to a back alley abortion mill in the 70s?
Well, they did talk about the race.
BTW, Can a Texan like him have a black girlfriend in that time witouh getting wipped by his father? think the race is not important but the fact can be.
New Vinnland
09-09-2004, 01:01
If true, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Bush (and polititians in general) wear morality as a mask to appeal to the dimwitted masses.
Roachsylvania
09-09-2004, 01:04
also Kitty Kelley just wrote a book about Bush sniffen coke and smoking joints at Camp David when his useless father was President
That's what I'd do if my useless father were president...
Well, they did talk about the race.
BTW, Can a Texan like him have a black girlfriend in that time witouh getting wipped by his father? think the race is not important but the fact can be.
the race is important in the context you just stated
That's what I'd do if my useless father were president...
as would I if my out of touch absent corporate maggot workaholic of a father was
Hajekistan
09-09-2004, 23:51
also Kitty Kelley just wrote a book about Bush sniffen coke and smoking joints at Camp David when his useless father was President
I thought you had gone pretty low when you took DemocracyNow.com seriously, but really . . .
Kitty Kelly? WTF!?!?!
Next thing I know you'll tell me Georgy Porgy is a space alien who stole Bill Clinton's testicles in order to fund the war against the AAOP (Alliance of Asians Occupying Pluto) and is planning to bomb Uranus at any minute.
Von Witzleben
09-09-2004, 23:54
Cool!!! :D
Incertonia
09-09-2004, 23:56
I thought you had gone pretty low when you took DemocracyNow.com seriously, but really . . .
Kitty Kelly? WTF!?!?!
Next thing I know you'll tell me Georgy Porgy is a space alien who stole Bill Clinton's testicles in order to fund the war against the AAOP (Alliance of Asians Occupying Pluto) and is planning to bomb Uranus at any minute.Well he is. :D
Seriously, though, even if the charges are true--the cocaine or the abortion--you can't really compare those kinds of charges to the kind of crap Clinton was accused of by so-called reputable journalists. Clinton was accused of being involved in the murder of Vince Foster when Foster killed himself. Clinton was accused of having Commerce Secretary Ron Brown shot in the head and then having the plane he was on crash to cover up the murder. And those aren't even the outlandish ones. There are some accusations that are really crazy.
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 00:02
Seriously, though, even if the charges are true--the cocaine or the abortion--you can't really compare those kinds of charges to the kind of crap Clinton was accused of by so-called reputable journalists. Clinton was accused of being involved in the murder of Vince Foster when Foster killed himself. Clinton was accused of having Commerce Secretary Ron Brown shot in the head and then having the plane he was on crash to cover up the murder. And those aren't even the outlandish ones. There are some accusations that are really crazy.
Which responsible journalists? I never heard any of that, and I have listen to talk radio periodically (Yes, I am a slime, but a Libertarian Slime, not a Conservative Slime. Not that it bothers me too much, I love it when Liberals talk dirty.)
Anyways, I doubt any of them were named "Kitty Kelly", when I first heard of her I thought she was somekind of stripper. And I also doubt that they were given a spot on the Today show.
I thought you had gone pretty low when you took DemocracyNow.com seriously, but really . . .
Kitty Kelly? WTF!?!?!
Next thing I know you'll tell me Georgy Porgy is a space alien who stole Bill Clinton's testicles in order to fund the war against the AAOP (Alliance of Asians Occupying Pluto) and is planning to bomb Uranus at any minute.
LOL--thats pretty funny-but kitty kelley is a world renowned biographer :)
Incertonia
10-09-2004, 00:08
Which responsible journalists? I never heard any of that, and I have listen to talk radio periodically (Yes, I am a slime, but a Libertarian Slime, not a Conservative Slime. Not that it bothers me too much, I love it when Liberals talk dirty.)
Anyways, I doubt any of them were named "Kitty Kelly", when I first heard of her I thought she was somekind of stripper. And I also doubt that they were given a spot on the Today show.William Safire repeated the claims that Clinton had molested/raped Kathleen Willey. Bill O'Reilly has repeated the claim that Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick a number of times. Now, neither of them is what I would call "responsible" journalists, but I didn't use the word "responsible." I said "so-called reputable" and there are plenty of people who consider both Safire and O'Reilly reputable. And that's just what came off the top of my head.
Incertonia
10-09-2004, 00:10
LOL--thats pretty funny-but kitty kelley is a world renowned biographer :)
In all fairness, MKULTRA--Kelley is a famous biographer. I wouldn't call her "renowned." She's on the shady side of renowned.
And in case anyone missed it, Sharon Bush, Dubya's ex-sister in law and one of the sources for the book, denied the cocaine charges today. God, am I really defending Bush here? I feel gross.
In all fairness, MKULTRA--Kelley is a famous biographer. I wouldn't call her "renowned." She's on the shady side of renowned.
And in case anyone missed it, Sharon Bush, Dubya's ex-sister in law and one of the sources for the book, denied the cocaine charges today. God, am I really defending Bush here? I feel gross.
LOL
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 00:16
LOL--thats pretty funny-but kitty kelley is a world renowned biographer :)
Yes, we all know of her biographies. The woman is on par with a tabloid writer, yet she doesn't have the curtesy (yes I know I misspelled it) to stay in the tabloids.
I think that she should head on over to NBC's offices, a soap opera is suffering greatly from her absence.
Today on Guiding Bush, George Bush the First launches a top-secret campaign to steal all of the left socks in Asia while his son (George "Wanking" Bush) continues his drunken rampage across Texas. John "F-ing" Kerry proposes marriage to the entire female population of Hollywood in a desperate effort for additional funds for his campaign to be elected Christ Returned. Meanwhile, a topsecret project has given Teresa "I'm a strong woman because I have two last names" Heinz Kerry a cybernetic power arm, causing her to lay waste to Kyoto. Can John placate her in time? Will George II's murderous rampage be ended? Will Asia recover from the sock attack? Will Kitty get a life, or at least a name change?
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 00:19
William Safire repeated the claims that Clinton had molested/raped Kathleen Willey. Bill O'Reilly has repeated the claim that Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick a number of times. Now, neither of them is what I would call "responsible" journalists, but I didn't use the word "responsible." I said "so-called reputable" and there are plenty of people who consider both Safire and O'Reilly reputable. And that's just what came off the top of my head.
I fumbled a word, whatever.
Anyway, you were talking about murder, conspiracies, and plane crashes first.
I have heard the rape thing, but a couple accusations of rape is nowhere near massive conspiracies snuffing the life from people and covering it all up.
Incertonia
10-09-2004, 00:19
Yes, we all know of her biographies. The woman is on par with a tabloid writer, yet she doesn't have the curtesy (yes I know I misspelled it) to stay in the tabloids.
I think that she should head on over to NBC's offices, a soap opera is suffering greatly from her absence.
Today on Guiding Bush, George Bush the First launches a top-secret campaign to steal all of the left socks in Asia while his son (George "Wanking" Bush) continues his drunken rampage across Texas. John "F-ing" Kerry proposes marriage to the entire female population of Hollywood in a desperate effort for additional funds for his campaign to be elected Christ Returned. Meanwhile, a topsecret project has given Teresa "I'm a strong woman because I have two last names" Heinz Kerry a cybernetic power arm, causing her to lay waste to Kyoto. Can John placate her in time? Will George II's murderous rampage be ended? Will Asia recover from the sock attack? Will Kitty get a life, or at least a name change?
Dude, relax. It's not like this is really going to sway any serious swing voters. Personally, anyone who would get so worked up over something like this when there's so much more serious shit going on in the country and the world isn't the kind of person I want in my party. You guys can keep them. :D
Kila-loving people
10-09-2004, 00:21
Alright, help me out here. As much as I would LOVE to support anyone other than Bush (I think he is an egotistical war-hound who thirsts for glory through blood) I also cannot excuse what I have heard about Kerry. While Bush may have, 30 years ago, done something stupid, he was young. We all were, once. We all have made stupid decisions. Meanwhile Kerry is ignorant now. Please read. My boyfriend is in the war in Iraq in one of the dangerous places, and I found out that while Bush is one who advocated war, Kerry voted to send them to the same war without protection, bulletproof vests and such. Any person with military combat experience knows how indispensable that is. Also, he got his purple hearts, from what I hear through sheer stupidity. My guy just came home torn up after having horrible things happen to him, and still won't even apply for a purple heart. He says there are people who deserve it more, which isn't rare from the courageous men we have serving. Don't put such an ignorant, pompous @$$hole in power, please? Research your candidates, and make an informed decision this November.
wasnt it his black girlfriend that he drove to a back alley abortion mill in the 70s?
Sure.
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 00:24
Dude, relax. It's not like this is really going to sway any serious swing voters. Personally, anyone who would get so worked up over something like this when there's so much more serious shit going on in the country and the world isn't the kind of person I want in my party. You guys can keep them. :D
Its just that Kitty really annoys me and then MKULTRA will claim to his/her grave that she is telling the truth.
CoRRuPTeD HaLo
10-09-2004, 00:26
Would someone post a link to some evidence/article on this?
Incertonia
10-09-2004, 00:27
I fumbled a word, whatever.
Anyway, you were talking about murder, conspiracies, and plane crashes first.
I have heard the rape thing, but a couple accusations of rape is nowhere near massive conspiracies snuffing the life from people and covering it all up.
Okay--at the time it happened, the allegations were reported in the American Spectator by David Brock, who was a darling of the right wing at the time and who certainly fit their description of "reputable" journalist, as well as Christopher Ruddy, a reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. Columnists Tony Snow and Lucianne Goldberg also spread the rumors. I'm sure I can dig up others if you wish.
Look--the fact that this stuff made it into the mainstream newspapers and media outlets is proof that somewhere along the line, something passing as a reputable journalist wrote about it or reported on it. If it were limited to conspiracy theory websites, it wouldn't have invaded the public's consciousness the way it did.
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 00:35
Okay--at the time it happened, the allegations were reported in the American Spectator by David Brock, who was a darling of the right wing at the time and who certainly fit their description of "reputable" journalist, as well as Christopher Ruddy, a reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. Columnists Tony Snow and Lucianne Goldberg also spread the rumors. I'm sure I can dig up others if you wish.
Look--the fact that this stuff made it into the mainstream newspapers and media outlets is proof that somewhere along the line, something passing as a reputable journalist wrote about it or reported on it. If it were limited to conspiracy theory websites, it wouldn't have invaded the public's consciousness the way it did.
So the American Spectator and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review=Major T.V. Networks and Book Deals?
Whew, I be the Spectator's editor was never informed he had such a hand in things.
Anyways, I really don't care about conspiracy websites. They don't even deserve to be taken with a grain of salt, and they implicate everyone of everything. I could probably find a few internet conspiracy theories involving me!
As I have already said, it obviously hasn't invaded the Public's consciousness. Clinton remained in office, there weren't any world shaking riots or protests against him, his wife has been elected as NY senator, the Clinton's are the darlings of the Democratic Party, etc., etc.
Dempublicents
10-09-2004, 00:52
Alright, help me out here. As much as I would LOVE to support anyone other than Bush (I think he is an egotistical war-hound who thirsts for glory through blood) I also cannot excuse what I have heard about Kerry. While Bush may have, 30 years ago, done something stupid, he was young. We all were, once. We all have made stupid decisions. Meanwhile Kerry is ignorant now. Please read. My boyfriend is in the war in Iraq in one of the dangerous places, and I found out that while Bush is one who advocated war, Kerry voted to send them to the same war without protection, bulletproof vests and such. Any person with military combat experience knows how indispensable that is. Also, he got his purple hearts, from what I hear through sheer stupidity. My guy just came home torn up after having horrible things happen to him, and still won't even apply for a purple heart. He says there are people who deserve it more, which isn't rare from the courageous men we have serving. Don't put such an ignorant, pompous @$$hole in power, please? Research your candidates, and make an informed decision this November.
I hate to say it, but you have no room to tell others to research their candidates when you buy into a Republican party line without looking into it yourself. Kerry did not vote to not send body armor - he voted to fund it in a different way. Yes, he did vote against the exact bill that passed - but he was trying to get body armor for the troops while actually funding it. He never, at any time, voted against body armor.
Meanwhile, from what I have heard, Bush threatened to veto any bill that sent body armor for the troops but wasn't exactly the bill that he wanted. That really would have denied them body armor. And never mind the fact that *Bush* is the one who sent them over there without it in the first place, when he could have requested the necessary funds earlier. Or, better yet, he could've bought something like 18000 suits of body armor by simply building one (count them, one) less plane out of hundreds.
Its just that Kitty really annoys me and then MKULTRA will claim to his/her grave that she is telling the truth.
someone in an AOL chatroom just told me that Kitty Kelley also revealed that Nancy Reagan was plowed by Frank Sinatra in the White House after she put her senile husband down for the night
Whittier-
10-09-2004, 01:00
I hate to say it, but you have no room to tell others to research their candidates when you buy into a Republican party line without looking into it yourself. Kerry did not vote to not send body armor - he voted to fund it in a different way. Yes, he did vote against the exact bill that passed - but he was trying to get body armor for the troops while actually funding it. He never, at any time, voted against body armor.
Meanwhile, from what I have heard, Bush threatened to veto any bill that sent body armor for the troops but wasn't exactly the bill that he wanted. That really would have denied them body armor. And never mind the fact that *Bush* is the one who sent them over there without it in the first place, when he could have requested the necessary funds earlier. Or, better yet, he could've bought something like 18000 suits of body armor by simply building one (count them, one) less plane out of hundreds.
I believe we have heard this one before. John Kerry voted to fund body armor by voting not to fund body armor. He wanted to support body armor but he was against funding it so he voted against it.
John Kerry supported body armor for our troops so much he voted against giving it to them.
So the American Spectator and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review=Major T.V. Networks and Book Deals?
Whew, I be the Spectator's editor was never informed he had such a hand in things.
Anyways, I really don't care about conspiracy websites. They don't even deserve to be taken with a grain of salt, and they implicate everyone of everything. I could probably find a few internet conspiracy theories involving me!
As I have already said, it obviously hasn't invaded the Public's consciousness. Clinton remained in office, there weren't any world shaking riots or protests against him, his wife has been elected as NY senator, the Clinton's are the darlings of the Democratic Party, etc., etc.
the American Spectator is owned by a Clinton hating murderer named Richard Scaife
Niccolo Medici
10-09-2004, 01:02
Alright, help me out here. As much as I would LOVE to support anyone other than Bush (I think he is an egotistical war-hound who thirsts for glory through blood) I also cannot excuse what I have heard about Kerry. While Bush may have, 30 years ago, done something stupid, he was young. We all were, once. We all have made stupid decisions. Meanwhile Kerry is ignorant now. Please read. My boyfriend is in the war in Iraq in one of the dangerous places, and I found out that while Bush is one who advocated war, Kerry voted to send them to the same war without protection, bulletproof vests and such. Any person with military combat experience knows how indispensable that is. Also, he got his purple hearts, from what I hear through sheer stupidity. My guy just came home torn up after having horrible things happen to him, and still won't even apply for a purple heart. He says there are people who deserve it more, which isn't rare from the courageous men we have serving. Don't put such an ignorant, pompous @$$hole in power, please? Research your candidates, and make an informed decision this November.
So you're not gonna vote for Kerry because your boyfriend thinks there's a shortage of purple hearts? ...Odd. Kerry's purple hearts were undisputed until about 6 months ago; don't you find that odd? If you don't think that political smear campaigns are likely at work here; you're unlikely to be swayed.
The spending bill is pretty much a bogus issue. Kerry was caught voting against a massive spending bill that happened to include the spending package; he had actually campaigned for it actively until changes were made to the bill that made it unrealistic. He simply refused to vote for a bill that wasn't right (in his opinion) for america, and oh yeah, the bill had some military funding in it. That's considerably different from "voting to send in our troops without armor" right? If you honestly believe that Kerry was joyously contemplating the deaths of our troops when he voted "nay"; you're unlikely to be swayed.
Kerry's record on defending our troops isn't waterproof by any means, but neither is Bush's. I'll leave you to research that.
Tell me, do you think its wise to vote for any bill on the floor, simply because it happens to have military funding in it?
HadesRulesMuch
10-09-2004, 01:12
wasnt it his black girlfriend that he drove to a back alley abortion mill in the 70s?
Yea, the same one that he supposedly raped and then had killed. I'm so tired of idiots actually believing this crap. It is even worse (by which I mean more ridiculous) than the Swift Boat Vets.
Katganistan
10-09-2004, 01:44
someone in an AOL chatroom just told me that Kitty Kelley also revealed that Nancy Reagan was plowed by Frank Sinatra in the White House after she put her senile husband down for the nightHearsay is so reliable that the corrupt court systems refuse to allow it entered into evidence!!!
Copiosa Scotia
10-09-2004, 01:49
the American Spectator is owned by a Clinton hating murderer named Richard Scaife
Murderer? Justify that claim, please.
Kila-loving people
10-09-2004, 02:06
First of all, thank you to those who responded. I know that my research isn't totally waterproof, but, I also know that some of the rumors are much too well-known and discussed to be completely false. However, some of you made some very valid points and I thank you, because that wil give me something to look into. ( I put the post on looking for help understanding, remember?) However, I would like to say to the person that said the purple heart issue didn't come up until 6 months ago--He wasn't running for President 6 months ago. He wasn't famous, really, 6 months ago. And he wasn't running against someone who already has strong support for his efforts in the war front. It does make a difference-why waste the effort if it won't bring you ratings? And anytime you play a card like that in a campaign, you should be prepared to have it nitpicked. But, thank you. And please keep responding and PROOF FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE IS ALWAYS WELCOMED!!!! (I really would like to come out for the Democrats, but right now I don't have the confidence in their candidate. Maybe with help I can achieve it, but not right now... ) Psst--My boyfriend does not think there are not enough purple hearts to go around, he just wants to return the value of the medal, and not make it the ridiculously ludicrous icon it is right now, thanks to either Kerry or campaign smearers. Please don't say such things. Some of us have honor, which I know is hard to believe in modern times, and it hurts when our honor is questioned.
Misterio
10-09-2004, 02:08
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
You got that right. Bush, Mr. "Compassionate Conservative" (that is oxymoronic in itself), made his girlfriend back in the 60s or 70s get an abortion because he didn't want to have the child.
How do you like that for Mr. Family Values????
Misterio
10-09-2004, 02:10
So you're not gonna vote for Kerry because your boyfriend thinks there's a shortage of purple hearts? ...Odd. Kerry's purple hearts were undisputed until about 6 months ago; don't you find that odd? If you don't think that political smear campaigns are likely at work here; you're unlikely to be swayed.
The spending bill is pretty much a bogus issue. Kerry was caught voting against a massive spending bill that happened to include the spending package; he had actually campaigned for it actively until changes were made to the bill that made it unrealistic. He simply refused to vote for a bill that wasn't right (in his opinion) for america, and oh yeah, the bill had some military funding in it. That's considerably different from "voting to send in our troops without armor" right? If you honestly believe that Kerry was joyously contemplating the deaths of our troops when he voted "nay"; you're unlikely to be swayed.
Kerry's record on defending our troops isn't waterproof by any means, but neither is Bush's. I'll leave you to research that.
Tell me, do you think its wise to vote for any bill on the floor, simply because it happens to have military funding in it?
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Jovianica
10-09-2004, 02:12
And in case anyone missed it, Sharon Bush, Dubya's ex-sister in law and one of the sources for the book, denied the cocaine charges today. God, am I really defending Bush here? I feel gross.
Don't feel too gross. Kelly's publisher discussed the material with Sharon Bush in the presence of Bush's then-publicist - who doesn't work for either side anymore, a neutral third party. The publicist says this new denial is the lie.
Straughn
10-09-2004, 02:14
someone in an AOL chatroom just told me that Kitty Kelley also revealed that Nancy Reagan was plowed by Frank Sinatra in the White House after she put her senile husband down for the night
You and Haj seem to have some real chemistry. A colloboration could result in a most excellent NS interactive novella.
Dempublicents
10-09-2004, 02:18
I believe we have heard this one before. John Kerry voted to fund body armor by voting not to fund body armor. He wanted to support body armor but he was against funding it so he voted against it.
John Kerry supported body armor for our troops so much he voted against giving it to them.
That's not what I (or he) said at all. Learn to read and then try again.
Copiosa Scotia
10-09-2004, 03:52
You got that right. Bush, Mr. "Compassionate Conservative" (that is oxymoronic in itself), made his girlfriend back in the 60s or 70s get an abortion because he didn't want to have the child.
How do you like that for Mr. Family Values????
You. Have. No. Evidence.
First of all, thank you to those who responded. I know that my research isn't totally waterproof, but, I also know that some of the rumors are much too well-known and discussed to be completely false. However, some of you made some very valid points and I thank you, because that wil give me something to look into. ( I put the post on looking for help understanding, remember?) However, I would like to say to the person that said the purple heart issue didn't come up until 6 months ago--He wasn't running for President 6 months ago. He wasn't famous, really, 6 months ago. And he wasn't running against someone who already has strong support for his efforts in the war front. It does make a difference-why waste the effort if it won't bring you ratings? And anytime you play a card like that in a campaign, you should be prepared to have it nitpicked. But, thank you. And please keep responding and PROOF FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE IS ALWAYS WELCOMED!!!! (I really would like to come out for the Democrats, but right now I don't have the confidence in their candidate. Maybe with help I can achieve it, but not right now... ) Psst--My boyfriend does not think there are not enough purple hearts to go around, he just wants to return the value of the medal, and not make it the ridiculously ludicrous icon it is right now, thanks to either Kerry or campaign smearers. Please don't say such things. Some of us have honor, which I know is hard to believe in modern times, and it hurts when our honor is questioned.
You want honor returned to the Purple Heart?
Then remember: purple heart bandaids were being passed around at the RNC.
It's not Kerry's fault he's running against assholes.
MunkeBrain
10-09-2004, 05:05
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
:rolleyes: Are there actually people in the world who believe this crap? Man, I feel bad for them.
Murderer? Justify that claim, please.
someone in a chatroom said it-before you dismiss it you should keep and open mind and research it
Demented Hamsters
10-09-2004, 18:09
. My boyfriend is in the war in Iraq in one of the dangerous places, and I found out that while Bush is one who advocated war, Kerry voted to send them to the same war without protection, bulletproof vests and such. Any person with military combat experience knows how indispensable that is.
Well the problem here with your statement is that while Kerry voted against the $87 Billion, this was months after the invasion of Iraq, when the troops had already been sent without proper equipment. So Kerry can't be blamed for that.
FYI:
40,000 Number of soldiers in Iraq seven months after start of the war still without Interceptor vests, designed to stop a round from an AK-47.
$60m Estimated cost of outfitting those 40,000 soldiers with Interceptor vests.
62% of gas masks that army investigators discovered did Not work properly in autumn 2002.
90% of detectors which give early warning of a biological weapons attack found to be defective.
87% of Humvees in Iraq not equipped with armour capable of stopping AK-47 rounds and protecting against roadside bombs and landmines at the end of 2003. This is why there's so many attacks on Humvees. They're not safe to drive over there.
Remember the $87B was passed, so why is it Kerry's fault that they still have no body armour? He has so much power that he decides how the military budget is spent? Because he voted against it, no troop armour was bought? I mean what?
It's more Bush's fault for invading a country without having the correct equipment and armour. We're only talking about a hundred million or so.
So what have the billions of $$$ extra on the military budget been used for?
Oh that's right, "Son of Star Wars"
Big Jim P
10-09-2004, 18:15
Imagine that, the bastard will hang due to his own politics then.
The story is knowed under journalists, came out today on BBC and the Dutch TVUmm.. the BBC and Dutch TV have no play in our current Political contest, and spelling better would help your argument some.
Hajekistan
10-09-2004, 22:08
someone in an AOL chatroom just told me that Kitty Kelley also revealed that Nancy Reagan was plowed by Frank Sinatra in the White House after she put her senile husband down for the night
Wow! If it came from someone chatting on AOL it must be true because people in chatrooms never lie. Thats how I know the internet is populated by eternally 25-year old "sexxxy" "h07" "chix" named "Amanda Fuxworthy" and "kewl" "d00dz" who all have dark hair and "f007 l0ng" "dix" which are named "Charley Fuxtrot". I'm sure the "guyz" have names too, but they refuse to keep their shirts on long enough for one to read their name tags. Oh yes, and these people all either:
Have a unicorn
Have a dragon
Have a demon
ARE a demon
Are a vampire
Turn into fuzzy animals with proportions, genitalia and sexual desires that I'm sure were never mentioned in any of my biology classes
Well, just heard that since the Republicans play dirty, the other camp will leak this true story now to the press.
Since Bush is against abortion, why did he let his child aborte when he was with that girfriend?
Well, will be nice to see what his camp will say now.
Have you ever thought that maybe this was like 30 some odd years ago or whatever, and that when he did it he realized that it was a horrible mistake?
Dude, Bush isn't perfect, so stop acting like you are.
Furthermore, what's this about Republicans playing dirty? Don't even act like Kerry isn't doing it. If not kerry, than Democrats. I'll conceid that yeah, some republicans are asses and play dirty, but don't act like democrats are perfect little angels.
Wow! If it came from someone chatting on AOL it must be true because people in chatrooms never lie. Thats how I know the internet is populated by eternally 25-year old "sexxxy" "h07" "chix" named "Amanda Fuxworthy" and "kewl" "d00dz" who all have dark hair and "f007 l0ng" "dix" which are named "Charley Fuxtrot". I'm sure the "guyz" have names too, but they refuse to keep their shirts on long enough for one to read their name tags. Oh yes, and these people all either:
Have a unicorn
Have a dragon
Have a demon
ARE a demon
Are a vampire
Turn into fuzzy animals with proportions, genitalia and sexual desires that I'm sure were never mentioned in any of my biology classes
Thank you.
Similarly...just because it's on TV it doesn't mean it's true.
And, just because some NS junkie said it, it doesn't mean it's true.
Siljhouettes
10-09-2004, 22:57
I found out that while Bush is one who advocated war, Kerry voted to send them to the same war without protection, bulletproof vests and such.
I'm sorry, I know this is off-topic, but this isn't really true. This is just something the Republican propaganda machine put out there:
"Kerry voted for body armour before he voted against it! OMG Flip-flop!!!1!"
The bill to provide the troops in Iraq with what they needed was, of course always going to be passed. The only matter to be voted for or against was the details of the bill.
Kerry voted against a different version of the bill that he voted for. The one he voted for took money from the higher tax bracket. The one he voted against took money from the lower tax bracket. Many Republicans voted against the former in order to protect the Bush tax cut. Funny, we never hear about them.
So technically, he did vote against one version of the bill, and for the other one. Even if they required 50 alterations to the bill, it would still be put up until it passed. It's just his bad luck that the one he voted against was the one that passed.
So, in conclusion, Kerry voted to give the armour to the soldiers. It would be stupid not to.
I think that Kerry is actually more wordly than Bush. Not that I think Bush is stupid or anything, but John Kerry has been all around the world, he's been to war and he speaks several languages. I don't think you can charge him with being ignorant.
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-09-2004, 00:29
Dude, Bush isn't perfect, .
Thank you for noticing :) :p BTW, stop acting like you are perfect. And don't act like republicans are perfect little angels. :rolleyes: (I wonder why you gave evidence of your brain error and obliged people to reply at your low level).
BastardSword
11-09-2004, 00:42
Have you ever thought that maybe this was like 30 some odd years ago or whatever, and that when he did it he realized that it was a horrible mistake?
Dude, Bush isn't perfect, so stop acting like you are.
Furthermore, what's this about Republicans playing dirty? Don't even act like Kerry isn't doing it. If not kerry, than Democrats. I'll conceid that yeah, some republicans are asses and play dirty, but don't act like democrats are perfect little angels.
I'm sorry but most Democrats are angels..though we are not little...horizontally challenged maybe.
Copiosa Scotia
11-09-2004, 03:06
someone in a chatroom said it-before you dismiss it you should keep and open mind and research it
Do your own research. There's a basic debate principle that you may not be familiar with: "He who asserts, must prove."
Eldarana
11-09-2004, 03:17
Where's the proof
New Anthrus
11-09-2004, 03:21
You guys just love to believe the absolute worst about Bush. I mean, this is from a woman known for unflattering biographies akin to tabloid journalism. If anything, this smear campaign will raise Bush's numbers come next week. Just watch, they will.
Bereavia
11-09-2004, 03:26
No evidence
Eldarana
11-09-2004, 03:27
That and its not like a girl has never cheated on a guy before.
Eridanus
11-09-2004, 03:32
Even though I hate Bush, I think this is a load of bullshit.
Druthulhu
11-09-2004, 03:34
Has anybody found a news link to this abortion story? Or is this entire thread still based on an internet rumour?
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-09-2004, 03:43
Has anybody found a news link to this abortion story? Or is this entire thread still based on an internet rumour?
Sorry, it is based on BBC and Dutch Washington DC corespondents. Stop asking for interenet links, since they won't give you evidence. (Why do people like you only believe a story when they have a internet link? If you want that kind of evidence, it is easy for me to fabricate one :confused: ).
Internet is not everything ya know, somethimes journalists are better.
BTW, I posted this and am asking for more sources myselve. :rolleyes:
Druthulhu
11-09-2004, 03:48
Sorry, it is based on BBC and Dutch Washington DC corespondents. Stop asking for interenet links, since they won't give you evidence. (Why do people like you only believe a story when they have a internet link? If you want that kind of evidence, it is easy for me to fabricate one :confused: ).
Internet is not everything ya know, somethimes journalists are better.
BTW, I posted this and am asking for more sources myselve. :rolleyes:
Don't the companies that these journalists work for have web sites?
Druthulhu
11-09-2004, 03:50
O.K. so it looks like I am just now the only one to have bothered to look:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13961727_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-ABORTION-CLAIM-HITS-PRESIDENT-name_page.html
Where's the proof
its common knowledge :rolleyes:
Druthulhu
11-09-2004, 04:15
its common knowledge :rolleyes:
Yeah... Bush's exgirlfriends' abortions are all the talk these days. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
...really... that doesn't help...
Anyway the "evidence" so far is that Larry Flint says he has proof and says he will publish a book.
Yeah... Bush's exgirlfriends' abortions are all the talk these days. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
...really... that doesn't help...
Anyway the "evidence" so far is that Larry Flint says he has proof and says he will publish a book.
I believe that--Larry Flint buys everyones ex girlfriend
Peechland
11-09-2004, 04:20
Wait. . .while I admit this is a chance to make Bush squirm (although honestly, I think that Bush could sodomize his daughters on the White House lawn and it wouldn't make a dent in his poll numbers. After all, if Lot can commit incest, and Lot's a godly man, then by George, so can George!), I still need some evidence of this to believe in it. Where is there evidence of this?
LOL....i really laughed outloud when i read the sodomizing comment. whats bad is thats probably true
LOL....i really laughed outloud when i read the sodomizing comment. whats bad is thats probably true
which reminds me that Bush dispensed blowjobs in a coffin when he was in the skulls and had a sodomitical affair with someone named Victor Ashe
Copiosa Scotia
11-09-2004, 04:28
which reminds me that Bush dispensed blowjobs in a coffin when he was in the skulls and had a sodomitical affair with someone named Victor Ashe
Back it up.
Back it up.
Id never show my back around Bush :)
The original source of this rumour was one Larry Flint, one of the premier pornographers in the US and the owner of Hustler:
http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159
The reputation and integrity of Leftists had fallen so far in my estimation, I did not believe it could sink further. It has.
Bush (and polititians in general) wear morality as a mask to appeal to the dimwitted masses.
It is to combat the sort of pro-despot secular feudalists who make comments such as the above, that incline so many Americans to vote for Bush. I am one of them.
Tuesday Heights
11-09-2004, 05:44
So, no real evidence on this one, eh?