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I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc. It's no longer the freest country in the world. I was wondering what the freest country in the world is now.

Holland, I believe, Letila.

Why, the Pitcairn Islands, of course. You could easily single-handedly kill all of their 46 people. The CIA World Factbook describes their labor force as "12 able-bodied men" as of 1997...

Heh. If the anarchist thinks America is too authoritarian, I suppose it's really quite unremarkable in that regard.

Holland, I believe, Letila.

Then I better start learning Dutch because I'm tired of this sexually repressed dystopia.

I wouldn't say America is too authoritarian, but it could stand to honor the ideal of liberty a little better. As it is now, both the left and the right want to take away one freedom or another (Conservatives want to take away abortion rights, Liberals want to take away gun rights, etc.)

And on that note, I think they should legalize cannibis. :p

Why, the Pitcairn Islands, of course. You could easily single-handedly kill all of their 46 people. The CIA World Factbook describes their labor force as "12 able-bodied men" as of 1997...
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pc.html

And I thought you were joking.

Population:
46 (July 2004 est.)

?

I'm sure it isn't that hard to count them.

::EDIT:: Sorry this made me laughEconomy - overview:
The inhabitants of this tiny isolated economy exist on fishing, subsistence farming, handicrafts, and postage stamps.

Stamps?

I wouldn't say America is too authoritarian

I would definitely say it is. It is the only industrialized country that still has the death penalty. It has no public health care. Nudity is illegal on regular TV. Anime is censored into oblivion. There's just so much authority.

Holland, I believe, Letila.

I don' think so. You can be fined, maybe jailed for "racist" remarks there. Can't even call someone a paleface, without taking a chance on going to the slammer? They don' have more freedom there, just different things the gummint lets you do. There's rules everywhere, even if you're alone on an island. :cool:

I agree that the FCC is too authoritarian and censors stuff too much. Here is an excerpt from a rant of my friend's (who I agree w/100%)

HOW CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDE WHAT IS DECENT?!?!? If you have a problem with what is on TV, DONT FUCKING WATCH IT. All this does is increase people's lack of responsibility. Why can't people just take responsibility for their own ridiculous sensitivities???

And Letila, where was your 'OMFG I HATE THE FCC FOR CENSORING GUNDAM SEED TO DEATH!' compaint?

And Letila, where was your 'OMFG I HATE THE FCC FOR CENSORING GUNDAM SEED TO DEATH!' compaint?

I've already said it more than enough times. I don't see much point in repeating it.

I don' think so. You can be fined, maybe jailed for "racist" remarks there. Can't even call someone a paleface, without taking a chance on going to the slammer? They don' have more freedom there, just different things the gummint lets you do. There's rules everywhere, even if you're alone on an island.

Pot, prostitution, nudity on TV, and gay marriage are legal there. That's certainly far freer than the US will be for years.

Electricity production:NA kWh; note - electric power is provided by a small diesel-powered generator

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I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc. It's no longer the freest country in the world. I was wondering what the freest country in the world is now.
cops carry guns, death penalty is legal, people forced to recite a plege of allegience, electoral system rigged..... the list goes on. Yes the US is too authoritarian.


Why, the Pitcairn Islands, of course. You could easily single-handedly kill all of their 46 people. The CIA World Factbook describes their labor force as "12 able-bodied men" as of 1997...
probably not that nice a place to live. About 15 Pitcairners are currently awaiting trial for sexual abuse over a long period of time. OUt of a population of 46, thats a lot of incest and kiddie sex.

probably not that nice a place to live. About 15 Pitcairners are currently awaiting trial for sexual abuse over a long period of time. OUt of a population of 46, thats a lot of incest and kiddie sex.
Not that I don't believe you. But where did you find that out?

Its that damned religion to blame :rolleyes:

Not that I don't believe you. But where did you find that out?

Its that damned religion to blame :rolleyes:
I live in New Zealand and Pitcairn is governed by the British High Commission in Wellington. There are also a reasonable number of ex pitcairners here. The case has raised some controversy in legal circles as no one can quite agree which legal system should be used in trying the case, or if in fact either New Zealand or British law can apply as some Pitcairners claim independence. Strange strange story. (whoops - actually 13 not 15 accused as previously claimed)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=news&thesubsection=&storyID=3534939

I would definitely say it is. It is the only industrialized country that still has the death penalty. It has no public health care. Nudity is illegal on regular TV. Anime is censored into oblivion. There's just so much authority.

I agree there, accept I don't see how the death penalty factors into compromising freedom? I mean don't kill if you don't want to be killed.
In fairness, due to human error and flaws with the justice system, I would understand a stance against it due to the chance of accidental execution of innocents. But those truly guilty I couldn't care less about.

I agree there, accept I don't see how the death penalty factors into compromising freedom? I mean don't kill if you don't want to be killed.

The ability to kill its own people is a good way to create fear. It hurts freedom in my view and that's why other, freer countries have abolished it.

The ability to kill its own people is a good way to create fear.

Well, not if a legitimate and justifiable reason is given. It's ultimately decided by a jury of peers rather than the government.

Heh. If the anarchist thinks America is too authoritarian, I suppose it's really quite unremarkable in that regard.
i want to be dictator of the world and i think the US is full of nazis

Funny how many liberals there are here saying that the US govt. is too authoritarian..

yet every chance they get they try to expand the government and it's role.

Haven't figured it out yet? Less government = more freedom. Our founding fathers knew it. Conservatives claim to know it, Libertarians actually do know it.

Liberals just disagree with it.

Funny how many liberals there are here saying that the US govt. is too authoritarian..

yet every chance they get they try to expand the government and it's role.

Haven't figured it out yet? Less government = more freedom. Our founding fathers knew it. Conservatives claim to know it, Libertarians actually do know it.

Liberals just disagree with it.
you gotta love it when the republicans keep trying to tout themselves as the masters of small government while at the same time trying to tell you what you cant to because they dont like it and spending all of your money for booze and whores

Funny how many liberals there are here saying that the US govt. is too authoritarian..

yet every chance they get they try to expand the government and it's role.

Haven't figured it out yet? Less government = more freedom. Our founding fathers knew it. Conservatives claim to know it, Libertarians actually do know it.

Liberals just disagree with it.

Last I checked, conservatives were the ones trying to legislate morality (and thus compromising freedoms). They try to say what consenting adults can and cannot do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. They try to deny a woman's right to choose what is done with her own body. They try to deny a person's right to smoke a damned plant. They try to force religion down people's throats. etc, etc, etc.

Seriously, the only "freedoms" the rightwingers want to protect is that of big business.

(FWI: I'm a libertarian, myself, but I respect liberals a lot more than I do conservatives.)

Oh, and you're saying anarchists (who are pretty damned liberal) are for big government? If so, I laugh in your face.

Stamps?

they're a major hub of the international black market stamp trade. obviously.

I just found out that Gundam SEED will be yanked (no pun intended) from the air in the US. Damn FCC. I've got to get out of here.

Then I better start learning Dutch because I'm tired of this sexually repressed dystopia.
Although Canada is up there... We are decrimilzing marijuana and the record industry has no teeth; file sharing is perfectly legal; Christian fundies hide out in Alberta and have names like Dingus McGee... :D

I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc. It's no longer the freest country in the world. I was wondering what the freest country in the world is now.

Selective service: Good, since if enough people don't sign up we have a way of rsising troops.

Nudity and anime censored: Bad and good, depending.

Pot illegal: Very good. Go smoke your weed in another country hippie! Its drugs that are helping to tear society apart.

Yes, we're still the freest country in the world, and always remember it could be worse.

Also, no everyting is not censored or illegal in the US. Many people want to place blame on the fascist Republicans, but the Democrats and other Left-wingers are just as if not more responsible when it comes to censorship. They are too worried about offending people.

you gotta love it when the republicans keep trying to tout themselves as the masters of small government while at the same time trying to tell you what you cant to because they dont like it and spending all of your money for booze and whores

Good point.

Bush, a Republican, has expanded government to greater proportions than any other President, even making pro-big government radicals like FDR and LBJ look like anarchists. He made an already oversized government an omnipresent, bloated, all-pervasive bureacracy.

The Republicans reek of hypocrisy, do they not?

Selective service: Good, since if enough people don't sign up we have a way of rsising troops.

Why should the government sacrifice my life so it can stay in power?

Nudity and anime censored: Bad and good, depending.

Bad if you think it's your right to butt into other people's lives.

Pot illegal: Very good. Go smoke your weed in another country hippie! Its drugs that are helping to tear society apart.

Odd how countries with legal pot aren't falling appart.

Yes, we're still the freest country in the world, and always remember it could be worse.

Hardly. Even Japan is starting to become freer than the US.

Also, no everyting is not censored or illegal in the US. Many people want to place blame on the fascist Republicans, but the Democrats and other Left-wingers are just as if not more responsible when it comes to censorship. They are too worried about offending people.

It's not the democrats banning Gundam SEED and sex toys.

They try to deny a woman's right to choose what is done with her own body.

Excuse me; her body?

Excuse me; her body?

Let's not have this debate here. My point was that the US is too authoritarian to be tolerated.

Weak reasons to leave the Us. Saying that america is sexually repressed is utterly stupid. What do most shows feed off? Sex or violence. ONly the old fat white guys are "sexually repressed." Now, if you want real authoritarian, move to Nazi Germany by traveling back in time. America is far less authoritarian than you exaggerate it to be. It won't be too long before gay marriage is legal in america. Nudity.. we're getting there; fifty years ago, women couldn't even wear bikinis. Pot... not a neccessary "freedom." Gradually we may legalise, probably for medicinal uses first. THe FCC? Evil. It's been around since the '30s; hopefully we'll dismantle it soon.

Selective service: Good, since if enough people don't sign up we have a way of rsising troops.

So it's okay to force people to die for a needless cause? Hardly.

Nudity and anime censored: Bad and good, depending.
Depending on what? What, exactly, makes nudity "bad"?

Pot illegal: Very good. Go smoke your weed in another country hippie! Its drugs that are helping to tear society apart.

Now would that include alcohol, nicotine, and caffine? THC is hardly worse. There is no rational justification of cannibis being illegal. Sorry.

Weak reasons to leave the Us. Saying that america is sexually repressed is utterly stupid. What do most shows feed off? Sex or violence. ONly the old fat white guys are "sexually repressed." Now, if you want real authoritarian, move to Nazi Germany by traveling back in time. America is far less authoritarian than you exaggerate it to be. It won't be too long before gay marriage is legal in america. Nudity.. we're getting there; fifty years ago, women couldn't even wear bikinis. Pot... not a neccessary "freedom." Gradually we may legalise, probably for medicinal uses first. THe FCC? Evil. It's been around since the '30s; hopefully we'll dismantle it soon.

Holland already has those freedoms. We are very far behind.

Excuse me; her body?

Until a fetus develops into a sentient, conscious, self-aware entity, I think abortion is acceptable.

Let's say a 12 year old girl is brutally raped by her own father and impregnated. Do you honestly feel she should be *forced* to give birth to it? If so, are you going to be the one to take care of it?

Until a fetus develops into a sentient, conscious, self-aware entity, I think abortion is acceptable.

Let's say a 12 year old girl is brutally raped by her own father and impregnated. Do you honestly feel she should be *forced* to give birth to it? If so, are you going to be the one to take care of it?

I don't think Letila intended for this to be an abortion debate thread...

I don't think Letila intended for this to be an abortion debate thread...
When Letila said to not debate that stuff here, he OBVIOUSLY and very CLEARLY stated that.

Both parties are responsible for increasing government interference in people's lives. The Republicans want to legislate our personal lives, and the Democrats want to redistribute our money. Both parties voted overwhelmingly for the Patriot Act, Bush has increased the size of the government rather than increasing coordination between the existing organizations responsible for homeland security, and lest we forget, the compulsory service bill currently stalled in a House committee was introduced by a Democrat. Though I will admit, at least the Democrats are up-front about wanting bigger government.

Both parties are responsible for increasing government interference in people's lives. The Republicans want to legislate our personal lives, and the Democrats want to redistribute our money. Both parties voted overwhelmingly for the Patriot Act, Bush has increased the size of the government rather than increasing coordination between the existing organizations responsible for homeland security, and lest we forget, the compulsory service bill currently stalled in a House committee was introduced by a Democrat. Though I will admit, at least the Democrats are up-front about wanting bigger government.

And yet it is the republicans that want more control over what we watch.

Holland already has those freedoms. We are very far behind.

So is a considerable portion of the world. Perhaps Holland is just FAR AHEAD.

And yet it is the republicans that want more control over what we watch.

Nowhere in my post did I dispute that. I'm just saying that it's rather foolish to blame only one side when both sides are at fault.

Nudity and anime censored: Bad and good, depending.

Censored anime is NOT a good thing. I like watching that steamy hot yaoi sex!

Pot illegal: Very good. Go smoke your weed in another country hippie! Its drugs that are helping to tear society apart.

Obviously you've never tried it. I smoke it and I'm a productive member of society. I know other who do and I don't see them wrecking society,

Yes, we're still the freest country in the world, and always remember it could be worse.

Ok, they why does the RRIA exist, the FCC? Why is gay marriage illegal? Why is abortion treated like a sin, and why is pot still illegal... among other things.

yeah but you see American potheads are different from European potheads.

abortion - don't like it; I'm pro-choice because it's her choice.. although I do think she should've done some thinking about the consequences (rape, incest, etc do not apply)

gay marriage - wait, wait. as we usher in the new generations, people care less and less if you're gay. we'll get to it sooner or later; probably after europe, but we'll get there nonetheless.

anime - bleh. not a neccessary freedom, but it would sure be nice if they lifted the ban. I think there are more important matters of free speech that should be dealt with first..

yeah but you see American potheads are different from European potheads.

Aw, come on now. Not all American "potheads" are your stereotypical dumbass stoner. I'm a casual cannabis smoker myself, and I'd like to think I don't fit that generalization.
Granted, a majority do tend to be like that.

gay marriage - wait, wait. as we usher in the new generations, people care less and less if you're gay. we'll get to it sooner or later; probably after europe, but we'll get there nonetheless.

Holland already has it.

Holland already has it.

But nobody cares about Holland, the mainstream anyway.

I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc. It's no longer the freest country in the world. I was wondering what the freest country in the world is now.


I don't understand what you mean about Selective Service being censored or illegal...

Public Nudity -- depends. In NY it is no longer illegal for a woman to go topless (though I sure as heck would not recommend it.)

Anime -- that falls under pornography laws, I believe -- and since most people are ignorant and think anime is "just cartoons", it can be interesting to find the more adult ones. (However, the same laws should govern it as other films -- 18-21 to buy adult videos).

Pot's been illegal for decade, Letila; don't make it sound like this is something recent. It's also readily available, as others on this forum will no doubt be quick to point out.

I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc.

If you're problems are so small that you're complaining about Selective Service, censorshic of nudity and anime and the illegality of pot, consider yourself lucky. The bulk of us -- adults, anyway -- are concerned about such mundane problems as paying mortgages, property taxes, raising kids and the like.

Ah, for the days when I had so few responbilities is was actually worth my while to get upset over a bunch of crap. Hey, society draws lines and enforces them with laws. If you don't like it, take part in the system rather than complaining and stating a desire to move somewhere else (where, undoubtedly, there are some laws you wouldn't like, either).

The bulk of us -- adults, anyway -- are concerned about such mundane problems as paying mortgages, property taxes, raising kids and the like.

Me too, yet I still find time to have a social conscience and concern for civil liberties.

But there are certainly more important civil liberties..

Hardly. Even Japan is starting to become freer than the US.

He. Hehe. HEHEHEHEHE!
:rolleyes:

I live here, so I know.

There is much stricter censorship of pornography - otherwise there wouldn't be a problem with smuggling US porn or underground porn.
And that's not to mention things like education cendorship - I learned all the revisionist BS about how evil the US was for intrerning Japanese during WWII in High School 20 years ago. Japanese High Schools can't even teach about the facist of WWII.
The position of women is horrible. Even though there is equal opprotunity legislation, it is not enforced. Women are still expected to quit their jobs upon marriage,
And drugs? Don't even think it!!!! Drug laws here, while not Singaporean, are much, much stricterthan in the US.

Letila, I have seen you make some very, bery silly statements. But this is the stupidest I've ever seen you try.

There is much stricter censorship of pornography - otherwise there wouldn't be a problem with smuggling US porn or underground porn.
And that's not to mention things like education cendorship - I learned all the revisionist BS about how evil the US was for intrerning Japanese during WWII in High School 20 years ago. Japanese High Schools can't even teach about the facist of WWII.
The position of women is horrible. Even though there is equal opprotunity legislation, it is not enforced. Women are still expected to quit their jobs upon marriage,
And drugs? Don't even think it!!!! Drug laws here, while not Singaporean, are much, much stricterthan in the US.

Letila, I have seen you make some very, bery silly statements. But this is the stupidest I've ever seen you try.

But tentacle rape hentai is legal there. And normal anime there isn't censored the way it is in the US. That says a lot. I also said it was in the process of becoming freer than the US, not that it already is. Obviously, there is a long way to go. I'm also curious as to how any country can have stricter drug laws than the US.

Anime does NOT represent freedom in any way whatsoever, at least not in the proportion you think it does. C'mon, now, you're sounding ridiculous.

Anime does NOT represent freedom in any way whatsoever, at least not in the proportion you think it does. C'mon, now, you're sounding ridiculous.

To an anime fan, it does. In the US, much anime is heavily censored and sometimes even banned. I do not like Japan very much, but if they can resist the urge to censor anime, they have impressed me just a little.

Hmm...it seems to me most americans are too bust kicking up a fuss about gun control to see their 'consitiutional rights' are being erorded. Particularly after 9/11 and the Patriot Act. It's no better in the UK though, except we don't kill our criminals or have guns, but that's something else entirely.

Hmm...it seems to me most americans are too bust kicking up a fuss about gun control to see their 'consitiutional rights' are being erorded. Particularly after 9/11 and the Patriot Act. It's no better in the UK though, except we don't kill our criminals or have guns, but that's something else entirely.


Proletariat-Francais -- all the things Letila has complained of in this thread have been illegal for DECADES, with the exception of selective service -- which has been in place for DECADES.

However, I will agree that the Bill of Rights is being eroded -- the Fourth Amendment's being gutted by the provisions of the Patriot Act comes to mind.

Defintely authoritarian. The people still have too much Puritan influence. Once such a thing calms down and less laws are based on religious preference, issues of Abortion, Gay marriages, and any other matter that' found to be "Un-Christian" would slowly be accepted. Large cities tend to be more liberal about this which is one reason I like metropolitan people. Many are very open-minded.

I'm getting tired of everything being censored or illegal in the US. Selective service, nudity and anime censored heavily, pot illegal, etc. It's no longer the freest country in the world. I was wondering what the freest country in the world is now.
As far as I know Canada has the most rights and freedoms in the world. At least more then the US.

But tentacle rape hentai is legal there.

Well, I think that's the end of the discussion right there. Who's ready to move to Japan now?

I would definitely say it is. It is the only industrialized country that still has the death penalty. It has no public health care. Nudity is illegal on regular TV. Anime is censored into oblivion. There's just so much authority.
I agree with this thread but what has health care to do with being authoritarian or not?

Funny how many liberals there are here saying that the US govt. is too authoritarian..

yet every chance they get they try to expand the government and it's role.

Liberals restrict economic freedom, conservatives restrict personal freedom. Libertarians, as you say, restrict neither.

I agree with this thread but what has health care to do with being authoritarian or not?

Well, being poor greatly increases the chances of death, for one.

Well, I think that's the end of the discussion right there. Who's ready to move to Japan now?

I've never seen it other than a few screenshots and I can't say I liked it, but my point is that perverts should be free, too.

you gotta love it when the republicans keep trying to tout themselves as the masters of small government while at the same time trying to tell you what you cant to because they dont like it and spending all of your money for booze and whores
I guess you didn't bother to read my whole post.. Being liberal I can understand your lack of thoroughness.

Last I checked, conservatives were the ones trying to legislate morality (and thus compromising freedoms). They try to say what consenting adults can and cannot do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. They try to deny a woman's right to choose what is done with her own body. They try to deny a person's right to smoke a damned plant. They try to force religion down people's throats. etc, etc, etc.

Seriously, the only "freedoms" the rightwingers want to protect is that of big business.

(FWI: I'm a libertarian, myself, but I respect liberals a lot more than I do conservatives.)

Oh, and you're saying anarchists (who are pretty damned liberal) are for big government? If so, I laugh in your face.
Gee, you really didn't bother to read the complete post either, did you?

I agree that conservatives abuse the system, which is why I made mention of libertarians. I guess you are so caught up in your hate of conservatives you react before you have all the information.

Anarchists are neither liberal nor conservative - it would be an oxymoron.

There is no argumant that liberals support a large and overbearing government - Socialists and Communists are perfect examples - though liberals are not sysnonymouse with that and are in fact much better than that.

Look at everything on the liberal agenda and tell me where it shows anything that reduces government influence on it's citizens.