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There are probably as many people around who are attracted to animals as there are people who are attracted to other people, to put it in PG-13. There are strict laws forbidding the union of any sort, on any level, between humans and "lesser" animals, which I find to be ridiculous. For years, discrimination was placed against homosexuality, and finally the government is giving in on this matter. So why not legalise the marriage of humans and "lesser" animals? After all, who is more loyal than your dog? Honestly.

Please try to keep this thread PG. I am aware that innuendo cannot be avoided on a subject like this, but keep it to a minimum. I'd sort of like to see the debates, rather than a lock and warning.

This is stupid. I can't marry my pet Amoebe. [/sarcasm]

Dumbass.

Your dog is not capable of giving informed consent to any contract, including marriage - at least not in any form we can recognize and understand.

If you and your dog give your consent then you can marry each other.

Sounds like you have some desires you wish you could express.

Other then that, you have only given a widely used strawman to argue....

Um, are you starting to think your dog has a purdy mouth?

Sounds like you have some desires you wish you could express.
I sure do. People are going to discriminate against me for it, just like they discriminate against those who are homosexual.
Other then that, you have only given a widely used strawman to argue....
Yes, that was the point. Did you not notice the massive 60-page 'How does homosexual marriage affect you?' thread? And did you not notice that if you were to look for threads from, say, 2 weeks ago, there are around 50 more just like it? The point of this thread is to give people something ELSE to debate.

blink....blink :upyours:

Actually, some animal rights activists are trying to get legal repsresentation for chimps. Chimps have about the intelligence of a three-year old child, and three-year old children can go to court through qualified legal representatives.

Let's try this again, shall we?

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At a glance, I agree with Catamarinia: Lesser animals are not capable of giving their consent to things of this kind, and human-animal unions should not be allowed.

However, I do recall that there are certain cultural beliefs where things of this sort might make sense. For example, there is a culture (I don't remember which one) where cows are revered; primarily because humans who were good in life are believed to be reincarnated as cows. So, there might exist cultural beliefs where marrying ones pet could make sense. I disagree with any such belief, though I recognize that this may not be a cut-and-dry case.

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The last time this came up, someone suggested getting a gorilla or dolphin to consent, since they can be taught to use sign language and underwater keyboards respectively. However, since it would be unlikely that one could prove in a court of law that consent had been given in this method, without employing a stupidly expensive lawyer. You're better off getting a human to dress up as an animal for sex, unless you're really dedicated to the point.

I'm kinda wondering how this debate comes up now when the "slippery slope" begins at conventional marriage itself.

For example, there is a culture (I don't remember which one) where cows are revered; primarily because humans who were good in life are believed to be reincarnated as cows. So, there might exist cultural beliefs where marrying ones pet could make sense.

Hinduism, I believe. however I don't think they marry cows, as they are so sacred to them.

Inter-species "marriage" would be an immposibility since I don't think, as has been mnetioned, you could get cognitive replies from animals in a positive way. They will have no concept of marriage, so you would need to educate your dog first in the principles of such a union, prove s/he can understand then get his/her approval beyond reasonable doubt...unlikely I think. If you achieve that however, you'd be famous for more than marrying a dog. :eek:

Or go out into international waters, but good look getting recognised.

That said, what you do in your own home is between you and your dog. :fluffle:

Well, there is a state where it is legal to have sex with your livestock as long as you get your neighboor's permission first - so if all you want is a little sex, you could always move there.

As for marrying animals, there are two major problems with this.

(a) Animals are not recognized as being able to make their own decisions. As soon as you find a government that recognizes animals as having the same abilities and rights of human beings, you can argue for animal marriage.

(b) There is no compelling interest for the government to recognize such a marriage. The government recognizes marriage out of its own convenience. Both members of a marriage own property and make legal decisions. As a married couple, the affairs of these two individuals tends to be very entwined, thus it is much easier for the government to recognize them as a single legal entity. It is also convenient for the couple themselves to see it this way. However, animals cannot own anything (legally), nor does anyone but their owner ever have the right to determine what medical treatments/burial/etc. they get. Therefore, there is no convenience here.

The last time this came up, someone suggested getting a gorilla or dolphin to consent, since they can be taught to use sign language and underwater keyboards respectively. However, since it would be unlikely that one could prove in a court of law that consent had been given in this method, without employing a stupidly expensive lawyer. You're better off getting a human to dress up as an animal for sex, unless you're really dedicated to the point.

I believe someone has previously raised the point that this would require an arduous process of teaching the animal what to associate the button with...

I'm not sure i really have an opinion, each to their own i say. I would like topoint out though that in Kentucky it is legal to marry your horse. I dont see anyone tryign to amend the US constitution to prevent this strangely. I cant help wondering if a man marrying a stallion is legal or if it has to be a mare.

That said, what you do in your own home is between you and your dog. :fluffle:You still have yet to convince the religious right of this, not to mention the ASPCA

I note that the original post mentioned marriage. Nowhere is sex mentioned. Since pets are often more loyal and fathful than human mates (Legal or otherwise), then there is no point to marrying them.

Interestingly enough, dolphins will attempt to have sex with human swimmers, so now the shoe is on the other foot (flipper?).

As for attraction to animal: Considering some of the Humans I've seen, sheep are starting to look really good.

if you are easily offended, dont read it.

Q. Whats the motto of the American Bestiality Society?
A. In Dog we Thrust.

if you are easily offended, dont read it.



LMFAO!

That is just stupid...marrying your pet. The pet can't tell you that they love you, or tell you that they don't like you in "that way". Wouldn't it kind of be a one-sided marriage? And as far as being married and a sexual thing, that is just wrong. That is abusing your animal right there. *shudders*

What if one lets one's dog mount one? That wouldn't be abuse, since consent is plainly shown by the dog deciding to do it, and the human is the passive party.

What if one lets one's dog mount one? That wouldn't be abuse, since consent is plainly shown by the dog deciding to do it, and the human is the passive party.


It is still a stupid, creepy idea. I'm not big on gay marriage, but gay marriage sounds way better to me than a human marrying a non-human. At least gay people stay inside their own species.

However, I do recall that there are certain cultural beliefs where things of this sort might make sense. For example, there is a culture (I don't remember which one) where cows are revered; primarily because humans who were good in life are believed to be reincarnated as cows. So, there might exist cultural beliefs where marrying ones pet could make sense. I disagree with any such belief, though I recognize that this may not be a cut-and-dry case.

All you ever wanted to know about sacred cows, but were afraid to ask (http://www.indiadivine.org/hinduism-cows1.htm)
"The Vedic literatures [Hindu scriptures] state that protection must be given to weak and helpless living entities by the stronger members of society. It is the duty of a householder to protect and provide not only for one's family, but even for the ants that live within one's house; what to speak of higher living entities like the cow, who are at the mercy of their owners. The scriptures state that the cow is our mother. We drink the milk from the cow, therefore we must accept her as our mother and protect her. As such how can a civilized society allow violence to come to such helpless living entities, who sustain us all with their milk."

I'm not sure i really have an opinion, each to their own i say. I would like topoint out though that in Kentucky it is legal to marry your horse. I dont see anyone tryign to amend the US constitution to prevent this strangely. I cant help wondering if a man marrying a stallion is legal or if it has to be a mare.
Well, there is a state where it is legal to have sex with your livestock as long as you get your neighboor's permission first - so if all you want is a little sex, you could always move there.

Can either of these assertions be substantiated? They sound like urban legends....

I would like to marry a toaster and space shuttle still. I've programmed AI into them and they can give their consent. I'm a polymachinist, so I've given my consent; can we get married?

why would you want to marry -say- a dog?
If you want to have a relationship of whatever kind with your pet, fine with me, that's your private thing.
to homosexuals it is important to have the right to marry, in order to be treated just like any other member of this society.
I don't mean to offend any pet-lover, but to me an anymal is not 'any other member of this society'.
what would be your motivation to marry a pet?
I'm not even sure that would make sense in a religious sort of way. and that's what symbolical marriages are all about, isn't it?
(A pet wouldn't really benefit from a taxcut)

you cant marry your pet because marriage is between 2 "persons" (i wonder if that means i could marry microsoft? pffft who needs another a-hole husband anyway)

you shouldnt have sex with any creature that can't consent, its immoral. it is animal abuse and should be considered illegal for that reason. (although i sure dont want the police to be spending time hunting down sheep abusers) that you can train an pet to be "willing" is not the same as getting consent.

but more interesting to me, since we can leave out the obvious perversion, is ADOPTING your pet. many people claim to love their dogs and cats as much as if they were their own children.

should i have the right to ADOPT MY CAT AS A CHILD with rights equal to that of my son?

There is a very simple and extremely obvious difference between homosexuals and animals getting married. Homosexuals can consent to marriage, animals cannot.

you cant marry your pet because marriage is between 2 "persons" (i wonder if that means i could marry microsoft? pffft who needs another a-hole husband anyway)

Hey, it's Microsoft: You divorce the bastard and take half!

Hey, it's Microsoft: You divorce the bastard and take half!
cant you just see it in court....

THE BASTARD WAS CHEATING ON ME WITH INTEL!!

This thread seem to, not to be meant as some one arguing, FOR animal marriage, but someone speaking AGAINST gay marriage.

if the fact the they allow gay marriage, means that I should be able to marry whatever I please,

then you indirectly saying that gay people are not real people...

I'm not even gay and this is offensive, you dirty animal porn-lovet

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Oh, come on! It's just a stupid little thing, based off the Christian Right's slippery slopes. It's some light-hearted fun, in general.