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http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/08/genesis.entry.cnn/index.html

*applause* Great job! Woohooo!!!

Oh no! I've benn following that mission as well!

:(

I was looking forward to this as well. Hopefully they'll try again soon.

*applause* Great job! Woohooo!!!

:rolleyes:

Stupid anti-Americans need to get a life instead of jerking off to every report of some American thing gone bad.

Thats nearly every report! :sniper:

Stupid anti-Americans need to get a life instead of jerking off to every report of some American thing gone bad.
Yeah, specially when it's something that would benefit us all.

Oh, well. Too bad about the crash. It's a shame that it will be at least a few years before they can put a similar mission together.

Stupid anti-Americans need to get a life instead of jerking off to every report of some American thing gone bad.

Antebellum needs to not take offence so easily and realise that other people, including (*gasp*) non-Americans are also entitled to freedom of speech.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/08/genesis.entry.cnn/index.html

*applause* Great job! Woohooo!!!
yeah we already know NASA is incompetent for the last what 15-20 years?

Antebellum needs to not take offence so easily and realise that other people, including (*gasp*) non-Americans are also entitled to freedom of speech.

Don't steer this thread off topic.

It's a damn shame, mankind could have learned alot from the material Genesis had inside.

Stupid anti-Americans need to get a life instead of jerking off to every report of some American thing gone bad.Well, someone who climbs high does not need to wonder about mockery when he falls hard.

:( That is highly unfortunate. :(

It's a damn shame, mankind could have learned alot from the material Genesis had inside.Why wasn't it built to transmit its data all through the mission, when it is common knowledge that a capsule can be lost at any time due to unexpected incidences?

Why wasn't it built to transmit its data all through the mission, when it is common knowledge that a capsule can be lost at any time due to unexpected incidences?
Because it wasn't equipped to analyze and conduct experiments with the material it gathered. It would have to be very big and expensive to include all that equipment.

Besides, at some point or another, somebody would have wanted to take a look.

Why wasn't it built to transmit its data all through the mission, when it is common knowledge that a capsule can be lost at any time due to unexpected incidences?


Um...I don't work at NASA, so don't ask me.

It gathered material that was to be studied by scientists, bottom line. I don't know how practical it would be to put highly expensive equipment inside the capsule to do all the research when it's common knowlegde that the capsule can be lost at any time due to unexpected incidences.

Well, someone who climbs high does not need to wonder about mockery when he falls hard.
The scientists who worked on this project were not out to prove something... they were driven by what is probably humanity's greatest trait - curiosity and intellectual pursuit, which is what you are mocking.

Antebellum needs to not take offence so easily and realise that other people, including (*gasp*) non-Americans are also entitled to freedom of speech.
Er, what does this have to do with freedom of speech and whatnot? I just made an opinion that his opinion is unproductive. And what is wrong with being offended? I don't know how you drew the conclusion that I want to limit free speech because I took exception to his comments.

Er, what does this have to do with freedom of speech and whatnot? I just made an opinion that his opinion is unproductive.
I think the most unproductive thing in this mission is the incompetence of the US space agency. If the US had not messed this up, we could benefit from the knowledge now. Alas, thanks for nothing.

I think the most unproductive thing in this mission is the incompetence of the US space agency. If the US had not messed this up, we could benefit from the knowledge now. Alas, thanks for nothing.

How was NASA incompetent? How did the US messed it up? I think you really have no idea about what space exploration entails and how difficult it is. Perhaps your country is so technologically advanced that this looks simple, but others are just learning.

I think the most unproductive thing in this mission is the incompetence of the US space agency. If the US had not messed this up, we could benefit from the knowledge now. Alas, thanks for nothing.
Wow. Your words are transparent anti-American propaganda so there's no point in taking you seriously. You have come here to bash the USA, not to offer reasoned thoughts about these scientific missions.

You are just trying to insult the United States, not to make any productive point whatsoever. The blame-everything-on-the US tactic is getting old. Why don't you turn your self-proclaimed space-exploration expertise on your own ESA or the Japanese efforts?... both of which had more than their share of failed missions. Maybe if Europe Space Agency didn't fuck the Beagle expedition up so bad, we could benefit from the knowledge learned. Alas, thanks for nothing.

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I think the most unproductive thing in this mission is the incompetence of the US space agency. If the US had not messed this up, we could benefit from the knowledge now. Alas, thanks for nothing.

Children who have never been anywhere, nor have any real life experience act out of ignorance. That is not to say that they are unintelligent, it is to say that they have no real knowledge of the subject matter and act out of a sense of superiority. Given the location of our friend Gigatron, is that any wonder? Superiority was taught at every level in his country at one point and it is obvious that some still hold to those ideals, no matter how misguided.

Children who have never been anywhere, nor have any real life experience act out of ignorance. That is not to say that they are unintelligent, it is to say that they have no real knowledge of the subject matter and act out of a sense of superiority. Given the location of our friend Gigatron, is that any wonder? Superiority was taught at every level in his country at one point and it is obvious that some still hold to those ideals, no matter how misguided.
Superiority? I think if anyone has a superiority complex, then it is the US, not me. The parachutes failed to open and the attempt to catch the thing with helicopters failed. The mission may not be a complete failure since the actual samples may have endured the impact undamaged. But it shows to me once again that even an agency with many thousand employees, is fallible. I wonder if this was an US-only mission or an internationla mission. If its US-only then - oh well, try better next time, if it was an international mission, well then it sucks.

One can't win them all. This is true for space exploration like anything else. Better luck next time.

I'd be willing to lay money on the fact that US space exploration accomplishments have far outweighed the flops. (Apollo 11, the Space Shuttle, Hubble, the Mars lander, and so on)

Too bad about Genesis, but we'll study the mistakes and try again and will succeed.

Superiority? I think if anyone has a superiority complex, then it is the US, not me. The parachutes failed to open and the attempt to catch the thing with helicopters failed. The mission may not be a complete failure since the actual samples may have endured the impact undamaged. But it shows to me once again that even an agency with many thousand employees, is fallible. I wonder if this was an US-only mission or an internationla mission. If its US-only then - oh well, try better next time, if it was an international mission, well then it sucks.

Ahhhh....so you think the US has a superiority complex. Therefore you must feel inferior...hmmmm Only someone who is less than self assured would believe that others might feel superior to them. This comes from many reasons, but an inferiority complex takes time to develop. It can manifest itself from such things as bed wetting at an age when others have matured past that. it can also come from any number of awkward adolescent experiences with the opposite sex. So which is it in your case? I might suggest that you take some time and examine why you feel this way in an honest way. Some self-awareness classes might help you immensely.

Oh, and the helicopters were there to catch the parachutes so the craft would not touch down using them. it is a technique similar to the Fulton Recovery System from the 1960's.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/rescue/res12.htm

Ahhhh....so you think the US has a superiority complex. Therefore you must feel inferior...hmmmm Only someone who is less than self assured would believe that others might feel superior to them. This comes from many reasons, but an inferiority complex takes time to develop. It can manifest itself from such things as bed wetting at an age when others have matured past that. it can also come from any number of awkward adolescent experiences with the opposite sex. So which is it in your case? I might suggest that you take some time and examine why you feel this way in an honest way. Some self-awareness classes might help you immensely.

Oh, and the helicopters were there to catch the parachutes so the craft would not touch down using them. it is a technique similar to the Fulton Recovery System from the 1960's.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/rescue/res12.htm
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You are so wrong.

...You are so wrong.

Am I? Am I really? I think I am very close to the truth there.....

Am I? Am I really? I think I am very close to the truth there.....
You obviously have a superiority complex then :)

just ignore biff, his head has been up his ass for so long he has started to repaint the world in his imagination to his specifications, that is how he is never wrong

just ignore biff, his head has been up his ass for so long he has started to repaint the world in his imagination to his specifications, that is how he is never wrong
I'll do that. He sounds somewhat sure of himself...in an unhealthy way... no use taking people like that serious ;)

You obviously have a superiority complex then :)

No, I am no better than anyone else and my country is no better than anyone elses. The difference is that I do not go about bashing any single event and holding it up as some devine sign that an entire country is flawed. You on the other hand have done so repeatedly and then claim that the US has some sort of superiority complex. The US is a country. Countries are incapable of feelings or emotions. You are granting powers to an entity that is incapable of having them. Does that not mean anything to you? It is no different than thinking that your computer is acting up because it is mad at you. :rolleyes:

just ignore biff, his head has been up his ass for so long he has started to repaint the world in his imagination to his specifications, that is how he is never wrong

Yes, this coming from the one person who ignores everyone who beats him in a debate. Soon you will be ignoring everyone.

Was that the thing that crashed cause a chopper was supposed to pick in from the air, but the chute never opened?

Was that the thing that crashed cause a chopper was supposed to pick in from the air, but the chute never opened?

The parachutes failed to open. The helicopters were supposed to catch the parachutes and by doing so prevent the craft from hitting the ground.

Isn't there a sea, where it could crash safely?

Isn't there a sea, where it could crash safely? Probably. I think they wanted to avoid contaminants from the earth possibly getting to the material they were bringing back, hence the reason to use the system they were. That system has been used before with much success.

Yeah, stupid NASA-I mean a monkey can go into space...geez, what's thier problem, they can't manage something as simple as launching into space, gathering material from planets so far away that even with magnification they look like dots and bringing something back without something occasionally going wrong??? If they can't be infallable in thier constant attempts to push boundries, well then they just shouldn't bother.............



sigh.....

Ahhhh....so you think the US has a superiority complex. Therefore you must feel inferior...hmmmm Only someone who is less than self assured would believe that others might feel superior to them. This comes from many reasons, but an inferiority complex takes time to develop. It can manifest itself from such things as bed wetting at an age when others have matured past that. it can also come from any number of awkward adolescent experiences with the opposite sex. So which is it in your case? I might suggest that you take some time and examine why you feel this way in an honest way. Some self-awareness classes might help you immensely.
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I'd be willing to lay money on the fact that US space exploration accomplishments have far outweighed the flops. (Apollo 11, the Space Shuttle, Hubble, the Mars lander, and so on)

Too bad about Genesis, but we'll study the mistakes and try again and will succeed.

Both as a Brit and as an 'Evolutionist', I now feel much happier about Beagle II now that Genesis has also failed... :)

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