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John Adams....

Who is this American chap called John Lennon?

John Lennon ?? :confused:

I never realised that Merseyside was in the US.

I don't know who half your options are...

Him

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id say the all the americans who are taking an active role in democracy, leraning about the issues, and protesting or taking other forms of action when their voices are ignored by the government are the ONLY ones who can be called heroes.


Also the firemen. They're cool.

Pat Tilman?

Not to disrespect the dead, but just because he was famous and he went to war and died does not automatically make him a contender for the greatest American. The US has sent thousand of young men to their deaths who probably deserve the title more then him.

Pat Tilman?

Not to disrespect the dead, but ....well...he is the only "hero" in that list...

This poll sickens me. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Livingston, and Roger Sherman should be grouped together.

Not only were they American Heroes. They were heroes of America..

Ronald Reagan

emma goldman and sylvia rivera are my nominees

Perhaps it is Audie Murphy...the most decorated soldier throughout WWII. If you do not know who that is, look it up...you might learn something.

Also, Pat Tillman I think can be considered one of America's greatest. He turned down millions in an era where money is everything. He showed that some Americans still have morals. And he gave up his millions followed by his life. He is a hero and an example for Americans.

Timothy McVeigh. Truely a modern day iconic hero.


His passing leaves him greatly missed and american a more empty place.


In an era where people dont care, he cared. He fought for what was just against the odds.

John Lennon ?? :confused:

I never realised that Merseyside was in the US.
Didn't you know you were granted statehood?

lol Calm down its not like I could list every person that comes to everyone elses mind. I could of listed more well known people but wanted to see if anyone studied on what all these people gave to America in one form or another (some of them I do not agree with, that is why I listed them cause I am sure someone likes them)
Half of the people I listed you probably have never heard of unless you had studied what they did specifically (without bias of who or what they fought for, but how they fought and what they discovered for our country) some of thier *contributions*(you dont have to be a citizen to be held in high regard by some in another country) to America were horrendous others great and few so so.

I only list these two guys because I had to find two not so well known heroes of the south during the civil war for a civil war history class.

John mosby was also a perfectionist of guerrila war tactics and many generals later would emulate him and his band. http://www.civilwarhome.com/mosbybio.htm

Nate dog Bedford forrest was actually one of the founders of the kkk and later became disenchanted and ordered it to disband when they turned to more of a racist degrading platform of blacks.
http://tennessee-scv.org/ForrestHistSociety/slave_trade.html
"By European authority he is pronounced the most magnificent cavalry officer that America has produced"
http://ngeorgia.com/people/forrest.html

Pat Tilman?

I'd like to point out that Tillman made it through the excruciating Army Ranger program, and became a Ranger - though there is no 1 American Hero that is above all others

Didn't you know you were granted statehood?
Just Merseyside, or the whole country.

FDR or JFK or RR

I'd like to point out that Tillman made it through the excruciating Army Ranger program, and became a Ranger
Yeah? And? So what?

It is like saying that Chris Ryan is the greatest British hero because he is famous and made it through SAS selection

http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs7/gah1.jpg
This guy! Eh? EH?

C'mon counselor, what's the scenario?

I am not the oldest one here....don't pretend you don't remember....

Just Merseyside, or the whole country.
The whole country/state of course. The Queen is now a governor for life.

I picked Mosby just because I live off his highway, and wouldn't be able to get to work otherwise. Thanks buddy

Who is this American chap called John Lennon?

I pick John Lennon, cause I love what he stood for.. bah, so he was from England..lol he still beats the others... :D

Let's give GW his props; he turned down the monarchy to help establish this republic, this grand experiment. He set the example for every president since.

Scrappy Doo

Timothy McVeigh. Truely a modern day iconic hero.


His passing leaves him greatly missed and american a more empty place.


In an era where people dont care, he cared. He fought for what was just against the odds.

Considering that he was executed for his act of terrorism, I would tend to think history sees him differently.

I voted Washington, but I can't believe GI Joe wasn't on the list!

Dorothy Day

Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, and the rest of the founding father posse.

Who, by the way, all wanted America to be a secular libertarian state. ;)

Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, and the rest of the founding father posse.
"Yo yo yo yo! We gon' get us some liberty up in this bi-otch!"

hahaha *spoken with a Martin L King voice* "Aaaand every fireman that helped rescue the 9/11 victims! Aaaaaaaand every soldier that killed a Muslim!"

Damn... American heroes. What is this hero craving thing Americans have? Some sort of gene or something?

Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington, and the rest of the founding father posse.

Who, by the way, all wanted America to be a secular libertarian state. ;)

This is very true. Always cursing on "those pesky liberals". If those founding fathers would live these days, they would be lynched for not being religious, ehr... Christian enough. They were enlightened souls people, they fled for the opression of the church on the European continent.

Considering that he was executed for his act of terrorism, I would tend to think history sees him differently.


And Christ was crucified.

Give it time, time for the truth to come out, time for people to look back and see the facts and reality through the distortion and illusion, Timmy McVeigh will be celebrated for who he is.


He was not executed for an act of terrorism, he was murdered by the state to stop the truth coming out.

I think all the American men out there going to work everyday supporting a family (there are a lot of them who just follow their penis around. leaving their families to fend for themselves) and standing up for their beliefs (whatever those beliefs might be) ar the heroes, it's a tough job, and not a lot of credit is given. :cool:

And Christ was crucified.

Give it time, time for the truth to come out, time for people to look back and see the facts and reality through the distortion and illusion, Timmy McVeigh will be celebrated for who he is.


He was not executed for an act of terrorism, he was murdered by the state to stop the truth coming out.

Call it what you will; he murdered 168 civilians (CIVILIANS, not military personnel or government folks...and don't even start with the bogus position that since the U.S. has a representative government, all citizens are legitimate targets) and per the law, they executed him. Enough people demanded his execution that it's doubtful that too many will dispute it except for those who oppose the death penalty (including myself...death is too friendly for him. Hard labor for life might chill him out a bit more.)

The victims clearly did not deserve to die. None of them were responsible for Waco or Ruby Ridge, the events McVeigh bombed in vengeance of. Well, even if a could of them were, that still leaves 160-something innocents dead. Game, set, match, McVeigh was wrong.

He was not executed for an act of terrorism, he was murdered by the state to stop the truth coming out.

Right and the people he killed had nothing to do with it.. If you remember dateline along with many other news agency's wanted him to do an interview but he refused. He was a piece of shit traitor that killed other fellow Americans kids while they were in day care. Collateral damage is his ass being lethally injected for such ignorant ideas and actions. Dont be a dumb ass and you wont be 'legally' killed.

Alvin York and Audie Murphy

And of course Robocop.

i don't know if you can choose just one... thomas paine, the haymarket martyrs, the people in the seattle black bloc that made neo-liberalism an issue, the elf, thomas jefferson, john brown, all the union workers who created job safety and reasonable working conditions and living standards, etc

Scrappy Doo


SPAWN OF SATAN! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Timothy McVeigh. Truely a modern day iconic hero.


His passing leaves him greatly missed and american a more empty place.


In an era where people dont care, he cared. He fought for what was just against the odds.
I am literally speechless. I'm from Oklahoma and have been directly been affected by his "heroism." Tell that to the people who died that day. I'm sure it was for a good cause.

Politically either Thomas "dirty little atheist" Paine or Patrick "Give me liberty, or give me death" Henry.

As an individual, either Ben Franklin or Theodore Roosevelt, with Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson as runners up.

James Madison and Alexander Hamilton for in their own ways turning "Hey let's break from England and be free!" into a concrete method of government.

Call it what you will; he murdered 168 civilians (CIVILIANS, not military personnel or government folks...and don't even start with the bogus position that since the U.S. has a representative government, all citizens are legitimate targets) and per the law, they executed him. Enough people demanded his execution that it's doubtful that too many will dispute it except for those who oppose the death penalty (including myself...death is too friendly for him. Hard labor for life might chill him out a bit more.)

The victims clearly did not deserve to die. None of them were responsible for Waco or Ruby Ridge, the events McVeigh bombed in vengeance of. Well, even if a could of them were, that still leaves 160-something innocents dead. Game, set, match, McVeigh was wrong.


They were not civillians, they were government folk you claim them not to be, the oppressors and the people behind the slaughter that McVeigh was fighting against. McVeigh was not wrong just before his time. The future will see his name cleaned and honoured as it should be as a true hero.


Right and the people he killed had nothing to do with it.. If you remember dateline along with many other news agency's wanted him to do an interview but he refused. He was a piece of shit traitor that killed other fellow Americans kids while they were in day care. Collateral damage is his ass being lethally injected for such ignorant ideas and actions. Dont be a dumb ass and you wont be 'legally' killed.

He refused? Sure he did keep believing that if it makes your small little world nice pretty and happy. I would say the pieces of shit are the ones who surround legitmate targets with schools and daycare, merely to make there enemy look bad when they strike. He was not a traitor in any sense of the word, he was a True American hero in all sense of that. He was fighting to uphold personal freedoms, the very thing america itself was founded upon. Thats what people dont like about him, the fact he had the courage and moral conviction to act, where as they do not. He is demonized merely for his superiority in actions.

He refused? Sure he did keep believing that if it makes your small little world nice pretty and happy. I would say the pieces of shit are the ones who surround legitmate targets with schools and daycare, merely to make there enemy look bad when they strike. He was not a traitor in any sense of the word, he was a True American hero in all sense of that. He was fighting to uphold personal freedoms, the very thing america itself was founded upon. Thats what people dont like about him, the fact he had the courage and moral conviction to act, where as they do not. He is demonized merely for his superiority in actions.

Yea yea you crack pole smoker. Keep telling yourselve that and see where it will put you. Since you look up to the loser traitor so much why don't you reenact his actions? You and him and his likes are as much as a unamerican piece of trash as usama is. Go join up with your soon to be defunct friends.
It is retards like you that blame the moronic moves that reno and clinton made on the entire US government. If they wanted to destroy your kind do you really think any American would not stand by and laugh at your ass? You and anyone like you deserve to be in your compound while we light the the flamethrower on your ass. Fried viddles anyone?

The tragedy here is that PP probably thinks the 350+ casualties in Russia are acceptable because a school is a government institution.

The tragedy here is that PP probably thinks the 350+ casualties in Russia are acceptable because a school is a government institution.

Yea, who built these things here anyways and what use do they have for our society? What a moron. Im sorry to say it but I have finally met someone that I wish could not own a firearm. Then again it doesn't sound like he is of sound mind to be a law abiding citizen so probably legally can not own one anyhow.

Yea yea you crack pole smoker. Keep telling yourselve that and see where it will put you. Since you look up to the loser traitor so much why don't you reenact his actions? You and him and his likes are as much as a unamerican piece of trash as usama is. Go join up with your soon to be defunct friends.
It is retards like you that blame the moronic moves that reno and clinton made on the entire US government. If they wanted to destroy your kind do you really think any American would not stand by and laugh at your ass? You and anyone like you deserve to be in your compound while we light the the flamethrower on your ass. Fried viddles anyone?


Lets see. The boogy man eer I mean Osama wants to destroy America. Where as McVeigh was fighting for the freedom of America, fighting agains the corruption slowly erroding away the foundations of a once great nation. He unlike most of his fellow country men could see the problem, he was not blinded by the lies told to him. He was not bought off by the consumerism. Rather than going , oh thats not my problem, he stood up and fought for what was righteous.

His actions where what America was founded upon, Personal freedom. The pursuit of liberty. He was murdered in cold blood by the state that is intent on curtailing and removing liberty from everyone, seems most americans dont care about that though. McVeigh did though, he cared, he fought, he died. A true american Hero.

Then again it doesn't sound like he is of sound mind

That is a rather weak Ad hominem that adds nothing at all to the discussion at point. Nice to see though you are all for limiting and removing personal freedoms, because people have the outrageous not to agree with your own personal opinion. The US was created to escape people imposing there own morality onto others, seems it has fully gone full circle though.

Martin Luther King

Nice to see though you are all for limiting and removing personal freedoms, because people have the outrageous not to agree with your own personal opinion. The US was created to escape people imposing there own morality onto others, seems it has fully gone full circle though

Listen troll, if you can not see what you wrote as being hypocrytical by saying ole timmy boy 'your hero' did not impose his will on any other Americans then you need more than glasses or a brain. I am all for removing any personal freedom that allows you or anyone else to kill anyone outside of a specific target within this country (targets are people that break laws). Now if you think that every fbi and cia and nsa and any other federal employee deserves to die (plus thier children) then you are no less of a wacko than mr. rotten corpse timmy himselve. I am starting to see a resemblence of you and cs on the troll chart. Now please share with us your thoughts as to why people we vote in or people that have formerly served your country and become federal employees deserve to die?

Under your logic, if there was one person in that federal building that deserved to die then everyone else that was in there is collateral damage. Now try this on for size. Maybe just because that one person in wacko texas deserved to die then (under your logic) why doesn't everyone else in that compound deserve to die? See your logic is inferior and moronic to begin with. Anotherwards I thought it was wrong to kill any more than david koresh or whoever else was the specified target. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Wow, this has turned into a pro-McVeigh/anti-McVeigh slugfest, hasn't it? Anyway, in answer to your question, I'll list some of my heroes. And, please, NO flaming (that means you, Drabikstan).

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Paine, Nathan Hale, Governeur Morris, John Paul Jones, Roger Williams, Francis Scott Key, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Booker T. Washington, Grover Cleveland, Ron Paul, George Wallace, George Patton, Douglas MacArthur, Joe McCarthy, Martin Dies, Otto Otepka, John Flynn, Robert Taft, the Wright Brothers, George Washington Carver, Charles Lindbergh, Edward Teller, Alvin York, Larry McDonald, Jesse Lee Peterson, Hilaire du Berrier, Robert Welch, Alan Stang, Antony Sutton, Ezra Taft Benson, William Jennings Bryan (not as a politician, but for his performance during the Scopes Trial), J. Edgar Hoover, Dan Smoot, Julia Brown, William Knowland, Salk (I don't remember his first name), Audie Murphy, and many more I can't name off the top of my head.

Considering that he was executed for his act of terrorism, I would tend to think history sees him differently.

Yup.

People tend to not want to remember baby killers.....

And Christ was crucified.

Give it time, time for the truth to come out, time for people to look back and see the facts and reality through the distortion and illusion, Timmy McVeigh will be celebrated for who he is.


He was not executed for an act of terrorism, he was murdered by the state to stop the truth coming out.

Oh oh.

Time to get the tin foil hat back on! :rolleyes:

I thought school had started?

WHY DO THEY EXCLUDE WOMEN???

We are, and have always been, 50% of the population.

The next time someone posts a "greatest" american, englishman, etc poll, PLEASE include some women.

For the English poll I was reading, try adding Queen Elizabeth I and Margaret Thatcher to the list.

For the American poll I am currently reading why not Susan B. Anthony (I thank her for my right to vote. It only took until 1920.) and Rosa Parks?

WHY DO THEY EXCLUDE WOMEN??? We are, and have always been, 50% of the population. The next time someone posts a "greatest" american, englishman, etc poll, PLEASE include some women.
For the English poll I was reading, try adding Queen Elizabeth I and Margaret Thatcher to the list. For the American poll I am currently reading why not Susan B. Anthony (I thank her for my right to vote. It only took until 1920.) and Rosa Parks?

I was going to put emilia earhart (sp) and Clara Barton along with the founding fathers as a whole and many others.. I guess i should of done one of them in place of john lennon lol... Although in defense I think he inspired alot of Americans and if you look at what he believed in and if it were put into place, there would be no reason to have wars. What would we all do then lol.

I was going to put emilia earhart (sp) and Clara Barton along with the founding fathers as a whole and many others.. I guess i should of done one of them in place of john lennon lol... Although in defense I think he inspired alot of Americans and if you look at what he believed in and if it were put into place, there would be no reason to have wars. What would we all do then lol.

Actually, Emilia is probably overrated. She had a great publicity machine.

Other women were far better pilots.

The gal who Reed Hillview Airport is named after still flys. She is probably pushing 90 and does some rather amazing stuff in a Biplane.....

WHY DO THEY EXCLUDE WOMEN???

My list had some women on it.

Actually, Emilia is probably overrated. She had a great publicity machine.
Other women were far better pilots. The gal who Reed Hillview Airport is named after still flys. She is probably pushing 90 and does some rather amazing stuff in a Biplane.....

Yes, didn't EH have a billionaire husband that pushed her to fly and funded everything or something like that? That old thing where money is power may have alot to do with who we continue to hear about through out history.

Greatest American Hero:

Dave Thomas. The founder of Wendy's. *nod*

Listen troll, if you can not see what you wrote as being hypocrytical by saying ole timmy boy 'your hero' did not impose his will on any other Americans then you need more than glasses or a brain. I am all for removing any personal freedom that allows you or anyone else to kill anyone outside of a specific target within this country (targets are people that break laws). Now if you think that every fbi and cia and nsa and any other federal employee deserves to die (plus thier children) then you are no less of a wacko than mr. rotten corpse timmy himselve. I am starting to see a resemblence of you and cs on the troll chart. Now please share with us your thoughts as to why people we vote in or people that have formerly served your country and become federal employees deserve to die?

Merely calling someone a troll does not a well defined point make. Rather seems something you would use when you have not actual rational arguement for what you saying, attacking the person when you can not attack what they say.

He did not impose his will unto anyway. He struggled and fought against, that which is inately corrupt and wrong. He took a course of action to better society, fighting for freedom is not an imposal of will, its a liberation.

People make there beds, they lie in them. You are not forced to work against the common good it is something you make a personal choice to do. Those people chose to work in that building, they chose to work against liberty and freedom, by doing so they made themself legitimate targets of battle. No one did it too them, they did it too themselfs, they chose the path that they wanted to walk down, picked there side.

Under your logic, if there was one person in that federal building that deserved to die then everyone else that was in there is collateral damage. Now try this on for size. Maybe just because that one person in wacko texas deserved to die then (under your logic) why doesn't everyone else in that compound deserve to die? See your logic is inferior and moronic to begin with. Anotherwards I thought it was wrong to kill any more than david koresh or whoever else was the specified target. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Inferior and moronic, more personal attacks, that add little to your arguement and less to your credability. The point of Wacko is no one they deserved to die, they were innocents, living for freedom which was raped from them by the machine that the people in OKC worked for. You do not kill for retailiation that is not what is was about, its about the fact if you are not willing to stand for what you believe in, if you are not willing to show you believe in it you might as well give up before you start.

McVeigh stood up for freedom, in a country, in a world where it the idealogy of it is becoming less and less existant. That is why he is a Hero.

<smuj> Remember the Greatest American Hero?
<pi> traci lords

GI Joe. Definately

Ok seriously it's gotta be Washington and the other founding fathers. Definately. Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hancock, and er the rest.

Lets see. The boogy man eer I mean Osama wants to destroy America. Where as McVeigh was fighting for the freedom of America, fighting agains the corruption slowly erroding away the foundations of a once great nation. He unlike most of his fellow country men could see the problem, he was not blinded by the lies told to him. He was not bought off by the consumerism. Rather than going , oh thats not my problem, he stood up and fought for what was righteous.

No...he was a psyco...

No...he was a psyco...


Once you have lived the glory he did. Then perhaps you would be in a just position to judge him. Until then I think hardly you are.

Hitler.

Oh, oh, sorry. My mistake. He's not American.

(Don't ask what point I'm trying to make. I have no idea myself.)

Greatest American Hero:

Dave Thomas. The founder of Wendy's. *nod*
That's deep.

There's Regan, Eisenhower, FDR, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, all our soldiers, Dubya, John Paul Jones, Grant, John Brown, ect.

That's deep.

Still traci lords is deeper *grin* I must admit it, chess knows who the great American women are hehe

There's Regan, Eisenhower, FDR, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, all our soldiers, Dubya, John Paul Jones, Grant, John Brown, ect.

Just so you know, John Brown may have been an abolitionist (which is always a good thing), but he was also a murderer and a terrorist (which is always a bad thing).

Duhh...G.I. Joe, :mp5: he's an all american hero. ;)

Duhh...G.I. Joe, :mp5: he's an all american hero. ;)

Lol :D

Just so you know, John Brown may have been an abolitionist (which is always a good thing), but he was also a murderer and a terrorist (which is always a bad thing).

i don't know, terrorizing people who think it is their right to own a human being seems to me to be one of the more good things i can think of (especially if they are actively exercizing that 'right'). its on par with stopping people actively engaged in genocide by shooting them. some things need to be fought.

MLK Jr.

i don't know, terrorizing people who think it is their right to own a human being seems to me to be one of the more good things i can think of (especially if they are actively exercizing that 'right'). its on par with stopping people actively engaged in genocide by shooting them. some things need to be fought.

Good point.

*LOL* John Lennon...why, he's as American as the Rolling Stones and Ozzy Osbourne! :p

Anyway, I voted "other" - of the choices up there, I would say Abe Lincoln.

But I'd lean more towards Martin Luther King, or (*lights fuse for flame on*) Michael Moore ;)

<smuj> Remember the Greatest American Hero?

I've been sayin'-
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This guy! Eh? EH?

C'mon counselor, what's the scenario?

I am not the oldest one here....don't pretend you don't remember....

I pick John Lennon, cause I love what he stood for.. bah, so he was from England..lol he still beats the others... :D

Since he was English and for what he stands for J. Lennon. Another (real US born) EU migrant that has my vote for what he did for the US: Keynes.

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Great, just forwarded it, thanks :)

*LOL* John Lennon...why, he's as American as the Rolling Stones and Ozzy Osbourne!

Hey , I explained why some Americans consider him a hero, ok maybe not a real American hero like Gi Joe and all but still I think what he passed through out the country wasn't all bad and many loved him. :)

First off, John Lennon was a limey fruit, not an American. Second, there's only ONE Real American Hero: G.I. Joe!!!!!

Who are John Mosby, Bedford Forest, and Pat Tillman? :confused:

pat tillman is no one important, at all

First off, John Lennon was a limey fruit, not an American. Second, there's only ONE Real American Hero: G.I. Joe!!!!!

No shit sherlock lol he was added because he inspired more American's than any of our own hippies.

John Singleton Mosby : "Early in 1863, with 29 men, he rode into Fairfax Court House and roused Union General Edwin H. Stoughton from bed with a slap on the rear end."

Nathan Bedford Forrest: "With no formal military training, Nathan Bedford Forrest became one of the leading cavalry figures of the Civil War.
Joining the Ku Klux Klan shortly after the war, he was apparently one of its early leaders. He soon attempted to disband from the KKK after it became involved with racist dealings. Forrest once summed up his military theory as 'Get there first with the most men'."

Pat Tillman was a professional football player that turned down a a multi million dollar contract, to make an attempt at becoming a Army Ranger soon after the 9-11 attacks. He made Ranger and died in Afganistan.

[QUOTE=Faithfull-freedom]Hey , I explained why some Americans consider him a heroQUOTE]

Aren't Ken and Barbie the greatest?

John Singleton Mosby : "Early in 1863, with 29 men, he rode into Fairfax Court House and roused Union General Edwin H. Stoughton from bed with a slap on the rear end."

Nathan Bedford Forrest: "With no formal military training, Nathan Bedford Forrest became one of the leading cavalry figures of the Civil War.
Joining the Ku Klux Klan shortly after the war, he was apparently one of its early leaders. He soon attempted to disband from the KKK after it became involved with racist dealings. Forrest once summed up his military theory as 'Get there first with the most men'."

Pat Tillman was a professional football player that turned down a a multi million dollar contract, to make an attempt at becoming a Army Ranger soon after the 9-11 attacks. He made Ranger and died in Afganistan.

Thanks! :)

Thanks! :)
mosby is awesome, tillman is no one important

Hey , I explained why some Americans consider him a hero, ok maybe not a real American hero like Gi Joe and all but still I think what he passed through out the country wasn't all bad and many loved him. :)

Fair 'nuff, I hadn't read all the pages :)