worst government
what do you think is the worst type of government? ;) and why
Superpower07
06-09-2004, 21:32
Absolute monarchies and dictatorships - governments which are super authoritarian by nature
"Democracy is the best form of the worst type of government"
- Winston Churchill
Slack Baby
06-09-2004, 21:33
honestly?
I think countries with perceived democracy, when in truth what they really have is a farce of a free country and perverted democracy, is the worst kind of government.
you know who you are
Kellogs Special K
06-09-2004, 21:33
The one my nation has behold the GOD SPECIAL K. All hail special K, All hail special K, All hail special K. Theocracy
"Democracy is the best form of the worst type of government"
- Winston Churchill
i've seen the quote why do you agree with it.
Mentholyptus
06-09-2004, 21:34
Authoritarian capitalist...a la Pinochet.
I'd have to say authoritarian capitalism tied with technocracy.
Faithfull-freedom
06-09-2004, 21:45
True Authoritarian in the Communistic state or Capitalistic state...Where it really is a father knows best Government in Social and Economical.
America with its fake 2 party duopoly is the worst
Legless Pirates
06-09-2004, 21:49
dumbassocracy (you know... I won't even say it anymore)
Maravilhosa
06-09-2004, 21:51
Are you American? Or do you just belive that because you're on the outside looking in? The change of veiw, changes the way I look at what you said. Because if you're American and think that the American way is bad then I'd probably agree with you. I don't like either party this run. But if you're on the outside looking in, then you don't really know do you? You only know what your meda says. Right? You wouldn't be here going through what you just said. I don't think we should point at nations here, because we will ofend people that live there. We just say that, this is what we don't like, because it dosn't work in nations that use it. But no name calling please.
Sorry about misspellings, could never pick that up in school.
Legless Pirates
06-09-2004, 21:53
Are you American? Or do you just belive that because you're on the outside looking in? The change of veiw, changes the way I look at what you said. Because if you're American and think that the American way is bad then I'd probably agree with you. I don't like either party this run. But if you're on the outside looking in, then you don't really know do you? You only know what your meda says. Right? You wouldn't be here going through what you just said. I don't think we should point at nations here, because we will ofend people that live there. We just say that, this is what we don't like, because it dosn't work in nations that use it. But no name calling please.
Sorry about misspellings, could never pick that up in school.
phew lucky me
Siljhouettes
06-09-2004, 21:53
America with its fake 2 party duopoly is the worst
Not a model of healthy democracy, I agree, but the worst? You're being hyperbolic.
I think the worst has got to be communist or Nazi dictatorship. Those never, ever turn out well.
Revolutionsz
06-09-2004, 22:06
monarchies.
Jockerike
06-09-2004, 22:07
Please don't hate me all you americans, but honestly USA has the worst government ever, they pretent to be good peaceful democrats, but really they just destroy most other, mostly easten and southen, countries to "protect our great nation". For exaple: Vietman, Korea, Iraq, Afganistan. (some are really old but still.) Be at least a little more carefull guys! You know why Bin Laden attacked you? Cause you treated them like shit! I think it's good someone finally did something, though i do NOT support the killing of 5000 innocent people but you shouldn't do that to them either.
Maybe this was a little too drastic answer to your question. :rolleyes:
Oh, I never liked Saddam Hussein either, just kill innocent people. So I dictators is pretty bad too.
Unfree People
06-09-2004, 22:12
Theocracies...
and it doesn't matter how bad you think our government is, it works for most of the 290 million people here.
Uchakryu
06-09-2004, 22:14
Considering that there's only been one Nazi dictatorship...
Communism is a ridiculous system. It never works because it's based almost entirely on false reasoning. The Communist insistence upon controlling politics and doctoring economics to fit the absurdities of theory inevitably dooms whatever good effect the revolutionaries might claim to create. There's a reason Communist states have poor standards of living and despotic conditions - and it's not because the nasty Americans are magically oppressing their proletariat from long range.
The worst system, though, isn't Communism. That dubious honor goes to theocracy.
Phillycheesesteaks
06-09-2004, 22:15
"Democracy is the best form of the worst type of government"
- Winston Churchill
im going with that
AHHHHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!!
Conceptualists
06-09-2004, 22:15
Oligarchy
Please don't hate me all you americans, but honestly USA has the worst government ever, they pretent to be good peaceful democrats, but really they just destroy most other, mostly easten and southen, countries to "protect our great nation". For exaple: Vietman, Korea, Iraq, Afganistan. (some are really old but still.) Be at least a little more carefull guys! You know why Bin Laden attacked you? Cause you treated them like shit! I think it's good someone finally did something, though i do NOT support the killing of 5000 innocent people but you shouldn't do that to them either.
Maybe this was a little too drastic answer to your question. :rolleyes:
Oh, I never liked Saddam Hussein either, just kill innocent people. So I dictators is pretty bad too.Im and American and I agree with you--Bush is far more dangerous then Saddam ever couldve been
Jellybadgeria
06-09-2004, 22:24
Theocracy, yeah. I mean, just look at my nationstate. It's pretty f**ked up. Bunch of naked people riding around on bicycles; clothes, cars and Harry Potter books are all banned. And they worship badgers. ;) But seriously, yeah. Just look at, uh... Iran, I guess...
Mind you, you yanks can be pretty screwed up yourselves, sometimes.
Upitatanium
06-09-2004, 22:27
Not a model of healthy democracy, I agree, but the worst? You're being hyperbolic.
I think the worst has got to be communist or Nazi dictatorship. Those never, ever turn out well.
Well, Nazi = fascist, if I'm not mistaken...
Anyway my choice is any extreme-philosophy government. Theocracy, Fasist, Communist, Uber-Capitalist...take your pick.
Monarchies are okay. Most of the ones in place have parliaments in place so its not like they are all the 'let them eat cake' type. The only thing threatening monarchies is relevance in this day and age. Although the British royals do pay for themselves in tabloid sales and tourism :D
Naturally has to be kakocracy(Government by the worst), although theocracy, corpocracy(Government by corporations), and communism are up there too.
Conceptualists
06-09-2004, 22:32
Naturally has to be kakocracy.
Misreading gave me a horrible vision of a future dystopia.
Karaokracy.
Rule by karaoke :eek:
Misreading gave me a horrible vision of a future dystopia.
Karaokracy.
Rule by karaoke :eek:
:eek:
LOL :D
Upitatanium
06-09-2004, 22:45
Im and American and I agree with you--Bush is far more dangerous then Saddam ever couldve been
Makes me wonder how many people each has killed (or will have killed in the case of Bush when his legacy has finished). Can someone tell me how many each has killed throught their political careers? (this would include Bush's death row kills as well. Saddam would not be immune from government sanctioned deaths either.).
I think that would be an interesting statisitic to discuss.
First note total deaths. Deaths during wars (friendly and foreign) are added to the aggressor (Saddam in Gulf 1 and Bush in Gulf 2).
Terrorism-related deaths are too vague (how many did Saddam support VS the flare up after Bush invaded Iraq) so should be ignored UNLESS they occured in Iraq after Bush invaded it because they can be classified as resistance fighters and count under the 'Bush in Gulf 2' cause (above).
A question: Should the Shia uprising that Saddam slaughtered count? If there was such an uprising in the US would it be handled any differently? (Ruby Ridge, Branch Dividians, Montana Freemen). I think its ugly, but fair game for a government to quash an uprising if it chooses to take that path.
Any other comments?
A say this because although Bush may have generated more potential problems than Saddam has, its unfair to fairly judge him on these intangible elements. Deaths are more tangible and a fairly decent measure to figure out who 'is far more dangerous'.
*Note that the wars may continue well-after Bush has left office and may generate secondary effects as well (like the terrorism increase) that may have to be included depending on the situation.
Hmm...this may be a difficult one to put together. I guess 'rate of death' during the war will have to be used. Lots of vague areas in this one concerning Bush...maybe we should forget about it.
Was that a waste of 15 minutes? :D
Attican Empire
06-09-2004, 22:46
Well, Nazi = fascist, if I'm not mistaken...
Anyway my choice is any extreme-philosophy government. Theocracy, Fasist, Communist, Uber-Capitalist...take your pick.
Monarchies are okay. Most of the ones in place have parliaments in place so its not like they are all the 'let them eat cake' type. The only thing threatening monarchies is relevance in this day and age. Although the British royals do pay for themselves in tabloid sales and tourism :D
Which Nazi are you referring to, Pre-Hitler or Post-Hitler?
Also, Post-Hitler Nazism = Fascism, but Fascism != Nazism
New Shermania
06-09-2004, 22:50
To be fair although the american government structure isn't ideal, its been getting a lot of undue stick of late. Most of the problems you guys are talking about isn't really the govenments fault, its more GW's. Its just as a person he was so hell bent on war with Iraq that he went for it even though a lot of people didn't agree with it
The Force Majeure
06-09-2004, 22:58
Makes me wonder how many people each has killed (or will have killed in the case of Bush when his legacy has finished). Can someone tell me how many each has killed throught their political careers? (this would include Bush's death row kills as well. Saddam would not be immune from government sanctioned deaths either.).
Are you going to include the Iraq/Iran war?
The Iran/Iraq war resulted in an estimated 400,000 deaths (roughly 1/4 Iraqi and 3/4 Iranian), and around 750,000 people were injured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/iraq/29099.stm
Still want to argue?
Crimson blades
06-09-2004, 22:58
Please don't hate me all you americans, but honestly USA has the worst government ever, they pretent to be good peaceful democrats, but really they just destroy most other, mostly easten and southen, countries to "protect our great nation". For exaple: Vietman, Korea, Iraq, Afganistan. (some are really old but still.) Be at least a little more carefull guys! You know why Bin Laden attacked you? Cause you treated them like shit! I think it's good someone finally did something, though i do NOT support the killing of 5000 innocent people but you shouldn't do that to them either.
Maybe this was a little too drastic answer to your question. :rolleyes:
Oh, I never liked Saddam Hussein either, just kill innocent people. So I dictators is pretty bad too.
Do you have any knowledge of International Affairs between the US and other nations?
How can you say we treated Bin Laden and Al-Quiada like shit. Was it not us that supplied them with weapons in theier revolt attempts? Bin Laden attacked not only us, but he attacked our way of life. He attacked us because our way of life is one that he does not agree with.
The Force Majeure
06-09-2004, 23:16
Please don't hate me all you americans, but honestly USA has the worst government ever, they pretent to be good peaceful democrats, but really they just destroy most other, mostly easten and southen, countries to "protect our great nation". For exaple: Vietman, Korea, Iraq, Afganistan. (some are really old but still.) Be at least a little more carefull guys! You know why Bin Laden attacked you? Cause you treated them like shit! I think it's good someone finally did something, though i do NOT support the killing of 5000 innocent people but you shouldn't do that to them either.
Maybe this was a little too drastic answer to your question. :rolleyes:
Oh, I never liked Saddam Hussein either, just kill innocent people. So I dictators is pretty bad too.
I won't even debate with someone so ignorant of history