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At the risk of sounding completely sick, what would be wrong with people of the same family being a couple as long as they were never to procreate (one of the two being sterilized).

I can't see what's so bad about it, someone bash my opinion, quick.

I don't really see the problem with it. Personally, I find it kind of a disgusting thought (having a sister myself) but if it floats your boat...

I don't really see the problem with it. Personally, I find it kind of a disgusting thought (having a sister myself) but if it floats your boat...
I think of it the same was as i do homosexuality, can't even imagine myself doing it... but if they're both consentual, and it harms no one, it's fine by me.

It's fine if you want kids that look like Prince Charles. :eek:

It's fine if you want kids that look like Prince Charles. :eek:
I did say they weren't allowed to procreate...

*sarcasm*

Well, if incest is good enough for the Vanderbilts and the Rothschilds....;)

*/sarcasm*

Incest...a game for all the family.

what's the point of being a couple if you can't procreate?

wow.

One word for you: ewww

I have absolutely no problem with incest as long as it is kept within the same generation. Fathers shouldn't be "doing" daughters, same with sons and mums. Brothers and sisters, cousins, etc. are fine by me.
My own parents are in actuality cousins so don't go raggin on about incest. Without it I wouldn't have been born.

I have absolutely no problem with incest as long as it is kept within the same generation. Fathers shouldn't be "doing" daughters, same with sons and mums. Brothers and sisters, cousins, etc. are fine by me.
My own parents are in actuality cousins so don't go raggin on about incest. Without it I wouldn't have been born.
why is that a bad thing? :p

The problem with incest is not one of quasi-eugenic reasons, it's a matter of consent.

Even past age of consent, can 16 yrold Missy really be considered to be able to give consent to daddy?

It's the same reason why Teacher-student is a no-no, AoC notwithstanding.

I cant believe someone actually posted that! lol
:fluffle: :sniper:
(incest) (me)

what's the point of being a couple if you can't procreate?

Love? Romance? Affection? Gay couples don't tend to procreate much either, and some of them are very happy couples indeed. I don't think they'd think of their relationships as being pointless. As for incest, well... eww. Just... eww. It just feels wrong.

Love? Romance? Affection? Gay couples don't tend to procreate much either, and some of them are very happy couples indeed. I don't think they'd think of their relationships as being pointless. As for incest, well... eww. Just... eww. It just feels wrong.
let me rephrase that: What's the point of being a couple when you can't have sex?

Love? Romance? Affection? Gay couples don't tend to procreate much either, and some of them are very happy couples indeed. I don't think they'd think of their relationships as being pointless. As for incest, well... eww. Just... eww. It just feels wrong.


Homosexuality turns me off more that incest does.

let me rephrase that: What's the point of being a couple when you can't have sex?


I think you can have sex even if you are sterilized. They don't cut your fucking cock off...

Well, he said procreate, not have sex. I think though, that there's a lot of problems with it. You'd need to install some law in that case of mandatory sterilisation, right? Now if I was going out with a girl, but in order to make it public I had to get the snip? I dunno, I think you'd get a lot of people keeping it secret. And then there's plenty of people in normal relationships who are generally safe, but still manage to get pregnant anyway, so if you ask me any officially advertised change in the incest laws would probably end up with a lot of kids with their eyes in the wrong sockets.
By the way, isn't cousins legal anyway? I think it is in the UK. I mean other than just the royal family, that is. Alternatively you can get round all this and do what I do - sleep with your best mates' sister instead. Although this may still end you up with your balls chopped off. But hey, they say the 21st Century family is made up of friends, so there you go - legal alternative :D

I'm sorry but gay sex is just too much for me. I know a gay guy who has to wear a tampon up his ass cuz he can't control his bowel movements anymore.

I mean eww.

As for Incest I see no probs with it as long as the couple are consentual and both know exactly what they're getting into (disowned from family, etc.)

I think you can have sex even if you are sterilized. They don't cut your fucking cock off...
I know, but that's not the point of my point dumbass

I guess those nasty people who bash us for excersising our perverse rights don't own computers

Why do some christians take fun away?

Isaac wrote this

I know, but that's not the point of my point dumbass

let me rephrase that: What's the point of being a couple when you can't have sex?

You made it sound as if a couple where one is sterilized can't have good sex. They probably can. That was my point anyway.

You made it sound as if a couple where one is sterilized can't have good sex. They probably can. That was my point anyway.
Exactly where did I say sterilized?

I want to marry my grandchildren

all 3

and a racoon

I think I should be encoraged

Here you kinda responded to the sterilize thing.

Originally Posted by Legless Pirates
what's the point of being a couple if you can't procreate?

Love? Romance? Affection? Gay couples don't tend to procreate much either, and some of them are very happy couples indeed. I don't think they'd think of their relationships as being pointless. As for incest, well... eww. Just... eww. It just feels wrong.

You then responded again, to the above quote.

let me rephrase that: What's the point of being a couple when you can't have sex?

So, it really does look like you questioned their ability to have sex because they are sterilized.

A tampon up his ass?? HAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious! I mean, seriously, if you got to that stage, you'd just give in and fuck women instead. Or just give up sex, I think anyone that bad's gotta stop for a bit, so they got time to do more important things, like eat or breathe perhaps.

Its not just the tampon tho. He's a very noisy lover and brings back a different guy almost every night. Keeps his roommate up all night.

The problem with incest is not one of quasi-eugenic reasons, it's a matter of consent.

Even past age of consent, can 16 yrold Missy really be considered to be able to give consent to daddy?

It's the same reason why Teacher-student is a no-no, AoC notwithstanding.

No that's not true, the reason why it's bad is because the chances of having a genetically screwed up child are much increased the closer to kin the couple is.

That is why most of us have in built defences against incest. There was a test done recently where people looked at photos of the opposite sex and judged which ones were the most attractive and the ugliest...
In actual fact all the photos were of the same member of the opposite sex but morphed slightly with features of their own. The people looking at the photos liked the ones that looked the most dissimilar from themselves.

Opposites attract - at least in appeareances - so as to reduce the chance of genetic messups. :p

A couple that can't/won't have sex or engage in foreplay with one another could be considered a flirtatious platonic relationship: The kind of relationship you might have with your mate's girlfriend. You may secretly want more, but you are not prepared to go any further than jokes and holding hands.

As far as I'm aware, the above doesn't actually count as incest. In fact, incest is the act of sex between family members, not the relationship that surrounds it. If you ask me whether incest is right or wrong, I'm dead set against it if it involves family members that have expereinced childhood together: Daughter/Father, Sister/Brother, Mother/Son. Besides the question of consent, those partaking would willingly be taking part in socially deviant behaviour and thus there may possibly exist some psychological abnormality. The act of incest seems as unlikely a step to the resolving of a psychological abnormality as any.

However, if incest were legal, then perhaps the last point would be obsolete.

Anyway, the important part is the growing up together part. If you take that out of the equation, it becomes a little more bearable. Even then it feels wrong. But arguably that's just a by-product of legislation.

Its not just the tampon tho. He's a very noisy lover and brings back a different guy almost every night. Keeps his roommate up all night.

Dude...enough. The tampon thing did it for me. Yuck. Now I have to feel sorry for the roommate too? lol

let me rephrase that: What's the point of being a couple when you can't have sex?WTH are you talking about?

Incest...a game for all the family.

They need a commercial for incest with that saying in it.

No that's not true, the reason why it's bad is because the chances of having a genetically screwed up child are much increased the closer to kin the couple is.
ISTR that it is 'marginally increased' at most. The 'Deliverance' school of screwed up genetics only happens after many generations, while a single incestuous liaison has only marginally greater risk than that with a complete stranger under most circumstances. Obviously if your family has had members with genetically-provoked diseases (MS and the like?) then there's a higher probability that both you and your relative are passive carriers of the gene than you and J. Random. Unrelated-Significant-Other would be, but under normal circumstances the risk is essentially negligable for all intents and purposes. (As I understand it.)

That is why most of us have in built defences against incest. There was a test done recently where people looked at photos of the opposite sex and judged which ones were the most attractive and the ugliest...
In actual fact all the photos were of the same member of the opposite sex but morphed slightly with features of their own. The people looking at the photos liked the ones that looked the most dissimilar from themselves.
And, again, ISTR that the actual 'optimum' was a happy medium between completely different and identical, and with a large variation among all people. Witness so-called 'inter-racial' marriages, at one end of the spectrum, and, at the other, a number of cases are known of siblings separated at birth meeting each other and developing affectionate relationships, initially unaware of their genetic relationship. I don't know if anyone has done the stats on it (who knows how many cases are never discovered, even by the siblings) but it happens.

The general rule appears to be that 'those who potty together don't party together', and is therefore probably a diametrically opposite variant of maternal imprinting. And then sometimes circumstances (environment, rather than nature or nurture) seem to produce people who overcome even that restriction...

Opposites attract - at least in appeareances - so as to reduce the chance of genetic messups. :p
The tendency of certain creatures (such as us homanids) to avoid close family may indeed be partially bred into us (by dint of the inherited tendencies to encourage such things breeding themselves into dead-end genetic lins) but I think that any selective pressures against such things was greatly reduced when social taboos were developed instead (allowing inherited psyches that tended to such things to arise and exist within the population yet breed 'true' with those not-so-near on the family tree). It is therefore quite possible that we have had plenty of opportunity to have hints of an 'incest' gene smudged throughout the human population, or at least the 'non-incest' gene could be watered down.

Some creatures (mice come to mind, BICVWBW) seem to not have the same issues. Maybe they have developed a genetic protection instead of a genetic/social aversion.


And before anyone asks, please note that I have no siblings, my parents are way too old for me, as are my direct cousins, whilst their children are way too young for me and the 'aunt' (who is actually off on another branch of the family tree anyway) who is only a couple of years older than me is married as well thus adding yet another social taboo into the equation :) Anyway, that means that while I'm open to the possibility of it occuring in other people, I have no personal experience in inesctuous desire nor any foreseeable prospect of doing so in the immediate future unless I have an illegitimate daughter from years back that I don't know about, or something...

At the risk of sounding completely sick, what would be wrong with people of the same family being a couple as long as they were never to procreate (one of the two being sterilized).

I can't see what's so bad about it, someone bash my opinion, quick.

you must be an only child

Incest is kind of gross, but it's hardly the worst crime on earth....

My question would be: what if the relationship turns sour, and breaks up badly? Your family are people that are usually part of your life for the rest of your life.When you break up with your boy/girlfriend, you go your separate ways and have nothing to do with each other. How would that be possible if that person is part of your family? For example,how would you explain to your folks why you can't stand to be in the same room as your sibling?

Better to seek out a non-relative,I think. Cousins are OK,though.

what's the point of being a couple if you can't procreate?

You're kidding right? How about love?

i think it's never been more blindingly obvious that this board is dominated by straight boys.

a: look boys, you can fuck yourselves up by wanking too much, and CERTAINLY by "fucking women" as someone so delicately put it, to excess. you think all those fisting videos you were downloading last night won't have lasting repercussions after a while? you're talking about incest while being disgusted by gay sex? and nevermind that you assume gay sex means men fucking men, (never women fucking women, cuz that's what's in normal straight porn for boys like you.)

b: the problem with incest isn't "consent issues aside, there's a high risk of genetic whatever-the-fuck"

i mean SHIT! the VAST majority of incest is fathers and brothers raping their daughters and sisters. forget the fucking genetic argument. this is about rape, most of the time of a prepubescent or young teenage girl. even if that somehow doesn't make the problem with this whole thread crystal clear to you, because maybe you just don't get how being fucked by your brother as a child might be kinda fucking traumatic, think about this:

how hard is it to be a pregnant teen in the first place? i'm gonna hazard a guess and say UNBELIEVABLY hard.

how much more terrible is it gonna be when it's your brother's child, or your father's?

and then there's all the repercussions, because you've been raped and everyone knows it, so you get called a whore.

kindly get a fucking clue. porn is not life, and incest is RARELY consensual. and with incest, as with 90% of sexual assault, and 90% of violent crime in general, the perpetrators are men.

which is not to say all men are bad, so don't call me a feminazi. it's saying "those are the statistics, look it up, and think about the point of view you're coming from before you start debating the aesthetics of getting raped by your brother"

thank you bandanna
this thread needed that

Yeah, well said. (And yes, I am a straight boy...)

Alright, firstly it's a valid question, and secondly it's taken from the perspective of a consentual relationship, I hate to burst your bubble that all straight males don't wank off at the thought of incest, but I'm afraid that's the case. Basically it's an interesting discussion because the fine details regarding ethics and morality in certain cases are such that most people wouldn't touch them with a 20foot barge pole. Hence the controversy. There are also a lot of people, men and women, who are raped by complete strangers each year, and there is a significant dark figure for that too. However that dosen't neccessarily make it so you could legitimately run into a debate regarding say, the age of consent, saying that people shouldn't be allowed to have sex because there's a chance they could get raped.
By the way I don't agree with incest anyway, just in case you were going to stereotype my maleness or something. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to download a fisting video.

i think it's never been more blindingly obvious that this board is dominated by straight boys.

a: look boys, you can fuck yourselves up by wanking too much, and CERTAINLY by "fucking women" as someone so delicately put it, to excess. you think all those fisting videos you were downloading last night won't have lasting repercussions after a while? you're talking about incest while being disgusted by gay sex? and nevermind that you assume gay sex means men fucking men, (never women fucking women, cuz that's what's in normal straight porn for boys like you.)...so....what is normal straight porn for you?

Funny discussion...

Incest is rape, though I've heard that it has happened that brother and sister fell in love. That bloody disgusts me...but when it isn't rape, is it up to us to put them "to justice" sort of speak?

If you want more albino humans and mental or physical handicapt humans with or without bloodproblems, go on an inbread spree!

Some facts:

In ancient egypt the wife of the pharao was very often his sister or when a woman was pharao, obviously her brother. In order to keep the wealth and power in the family. >> pharao Khuphu (greek: Cheops) was married to his sister. Pharao Amhotep was also married to his sister.

In Greek and Egyptian theology often gods married their sisters. Osiris was married with Isis. Zeus was married to his sister Hera. Look it up if you want to find more sister brother marriages.

Even in medieval times up to 17 hundreds and more, nobility married their cousins or even closer relatives in order to keep their wealth and power in their families. I believe it happened quite a few times in Spain and France. Hell if it weren't for the regular bastard made with the kitchen maid, half of the still existing nobility would be albinos :D

Anyhow, I'm not campaigning to legalize incest, I'm just trying to put it in perspective. And like one said before, it is usually child abuse and rapewhen talking about incest these days.

Alright, firstly it's a valid question, and secondly it's taken from the perspective of a consentual relationship, I hate to burst your bubble that all straight males don't wank off at the thought of incest, but I'm afraid that's the case. Basically it's an interesting discussion because the fine details regarding ethics and morality in certain cases are such that most people wouldn't touch them with a 20foot barge pole. Hence the controversy. There are also a lot of people, men and women, who are raped by complete strangers each year, and there is a significant dark figure for that too. However that dosen't neccessarily make it so you could legitimately run into a debate regarding say, the age of consent, saying that people shouldn't be allowed to have sex because there's a chance they could get raped.
By the way I don't agree with incest anyway, just in case you were going to stereotype my maleness or something. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to download a fisting video.
i believe that she was trying to put a bit of reality into a theoretical discussion. it was sorely needed.

the number of brothers and sisters who have "fallen in love" as consenting adults is a vanishingly small percentage of the incest cases in the world.

i dont think we should ignore the real world in topics like this

thank you bandanna
this thread needed that



What the thread needed an amazing unfounded, unconceise rant?

What the thread needed an amazing unfounded, unconceise rant?
yes

it needed a good slap in the face and that it what it got

There are also a lot of people, men and women, who are raped by complete strangers each year, and there is a significant dark figure for that too.

and again, actual numbers are helpful. the VAST majority, i believe around 70%, of sexual assault is by someone in the victim's family or who the victim knows. the idea of people getting assaulted by complete strangers seems to me like it conveniently allows most people to ignore their capacity for violence and exploitation, and allows them to blame rape and other violence on some "dark figure" (yes, i know that's not what you meant, and the pun is intended)

as for what is "normal straight porn for me" what would possibly make you think i'm interested in normal straight anything?

yes

it needed a good slap in the face and that it what it got


Not really, the post was both biased and mis informing. I would not call that a slap in the face, more of a lowering of the tone, and discussion.

"In Greek and Egyptian theology often gods married their sisters. Osiris was married with Isis. Zeus was married to his sister Hera. Look it up if you want to find more sister brother marriages."

the greek gods weren't real, they were stories. they also cut off their fathers' genitals, ate their children, cheated incessantly on their spouses, tore various organs out of people for kicks, and had children spring fully formed from their skulls.

and unless you're trying to make the argument that either the ancient egyptians or the middle ages monarchs of europe were paragons of decency and virtue, i'm genuinely confused by what you're trying to put across.


also, ashmoria is a cutie.

Not really, the post was both biased and mis informing. I would not call that a slap in the face, more of a lowering of the tone, and discussion.

i admit, i am biased against sexual assaulters. shame on me for lowering this lofty discussion of incest. i'm not going to be cool and analytical about this topic, just like i wouldn't be cool and analytical on the topic of rape in general. i stand by the assertion that incest is coercive nonconsensual sex the overwhelming majority of the time.

i'm also biased against people who make misinforming 2 words.
kindly point out where i did that.

then kindly get over yourself.


and with reference to the post below: homosexuality was illegal until recently. somehow it didn't result in much gay rape. so again, there appears to be something about incest which plays to the appeal of violating a vulnerable person you have power over. yes, it could be that a few isolated cases of incestuous relationships develop between consenting adults, that's the exception to a trend of incest-rape which begins before puberty.

and human victims of sexual assault are not horses, but thanks for that totally worthless comparison.

Can someone tell me what exactly is inherently wrong with incest as an act? And I don't mean a specific aspect of it; I mean the entirety of it. So far I have read two arguments.

It's always rape - no, it's not always rape. I would venture a guess that it's often rape because of the repression of incest in society. Therefore, people who like it do it in secret, often without consent. Besides, if the issue is about consensual incest, say between adult brothers and sisters, a father and his adult daughter (and by "adult" I mean self-supporting or capable of being self-supporting, age of consent be damned in this case,) then rape is placed in a separate category as it is. And of course rape should be against the law no matter who's committing it or who's the victim. If someone rapes a horse they should go to jail. It's the same damn thing.

The kids are screwed up - well, gee whiz, gay couples can't even have kids the old-fashioned way and they still have nice, committed relationships. Anyone ever consider adoption? Millions of kids need good homes and don't have them because people insist on having their own kids for whatever reason. And so what if the adoptive parents are brother and sister? As long as they are both decent parents, I don't give a damn if they're Siamese twins.

i admit, i am biased against sexual assaulters. shame on me for lowering this lofty discussion of incest. i'm not going to be cool and analytical about this topic, just like i wouldn't be cool and analytical on the topic of rape in general. i stand by the assertion that incest is coercive nonconsensual sex the overwhelming majority of the time.

i'm also biased against people who make misinforming 2 words.
kindly point out where i did that.

then kindly get over yourself.


and with reference to the post below: homosexuality was illegal until recently. somehow it didn't result in much gay rape. so again, there appears to be something about incest which plays to the appeal of violating a vulnerable person you have power over. yes, it could be that a few isolated cases of incestuous relationships develop between consenting adults, that's the exception to a trend of incest-rape which begins before puberty.

and human victims of sexual assault are not horses, but thanks for that totally worthless comparison.


Incest does not automatically equal sexual assualt. Claiming it does like you do is pure bias. Your first post also makes out that only males comit sexual assualt which is not at all the case, Infact female on male assault has a faster growth rate because of the way that it is still taboo in society to talk about it.

Calling incest rape does not make it so, They are too different things and as such should be called what they are, merely because you are lazy and ignorant to do so does not make it correct.

Incest does not automatically equal sexual assualt. Claiming it does like you do is pure bias. Your first post also makes out that only males comit sexual assualt which is not at all the case, Infact female on male assault has a faster growth rate because of the way that it is still taboo in society to talk about it.

Calling incest rape does not make it so, They are too different things and as such should be called what they are, merely because you are lazy and ignorant to do so does not make it correct.


not automatically, only the vast majority of the time. so my answer to "what's the problem with people in the same family having sex" is "the vast majority of the time it can't be considered consensual"

as for the female on male assault thing
http://www.gmu.edu/facstaff/sexual/sexual_stats.html

yes, men (as in male-identified people with "appropriate" genitalia) do get raped by women. VERY infrequently. find me an informed statistic that says otherwise. violent sexual assault rates on transgendered men (by other men) on the other hand are extremely high.

if consensual incest happens, and not "oh, my preteen daughter WANTS me to fuck her!" then i have no problem with it. what i have a problem with is ignoring that it's almost NEVER the case.

..find me an informed statistic that says otherwise...

Hmm...WTF is an "Informed" statistic ?

It's fine if you want kids that look like Prince Charles. :eek: :eek:

Incest does not automatically equal sexual assualt. Claiming it does like you do is pure bias. Your first post also makes out that only males comit sexual assualt which is not at all the case, Infact female on male assault has a faster growth rate because of the way that it is still taboo in society to talk about it.

Calling incest rape does not make it so, They are too different things and as such should be called what they are, merely because you are lazy and ignorant to do so does not make it correct.
fine
its rape
its sexual exploitation
its a symptom of other sexual abuse

look, if 2 people meet, get married, and then find out that they are long seperated brother and sister, FINE. let them stay married if they want. have children by sperm donor. im sure that in this complicated world we live in it happens.

but if timmy and sally are "doing it" after school before mom and dad get home from work, there is someting WRONG going on. it may be rape, it may be manipulation, it may be acting out stuff that was done to them by older relatives. but its NOT love.

there needs to be a boat load of social workers and psychologists show up at their door to figure out what has gone wrong. doesnt mean that anyone has to go to jail, but it has to be dealt with.

fine


but if timmy and sally are "doing it" after school before mom and dad get home from work, there is someting WRONG going on. it may be rape, it may be manipulation, it may be acting out stuff that was done to them by older relatives. but its NOT love.



Who are you to state and judge that though. Infact a major problem is there is currently a mind set in psychology, the status quo which to argue against gets you black listed.

The actions you describe above sound completely natural, humans are a social species and such contact between people is a common thing, Incest as a taboo comes from the puritan moral hang ups society as a whole has, your post being indicitive of that, assuming something is wrong, rather than it being the natural actions of two people. There are studies which show people have sexual feelings from an extremely young age, scary concept though so its best to ignore that and instead, demonise people for caring for each other.

fine
its rape
its sexual exploitation
its a symptom of other sexual abuse
...
but if timmy and sally are "doing it" after school before mom and dad get home from work, there is someting WRONG going on. it may be rape, it may be manipulation, it may be acting out stuff....

there needs to be a boat load of social workers and psychologists show up at their door ....What if Sally is adopted?

Who are you to state and judge that though. Infact a major problem is there is currently a mind set in psychology, the status quo which to argue against gets you black listed.

The actions you describe above sound completely natural, humans are a social species and such contact between people is a common thing, Incest as a taboo comes from the puritan moral hang ups society as a whole has, your post being indicitive of that, assuming something is wrong, rather than it being the natural actions of two people. There are studies which show people have sexual feelings from an extremely young age, scary concept though so its best to ignore that and instead, demonise people for caring for each other.
well peasant, you get the prize for the creepiest person on NS

i really didnt think i would see anyone advocating brother/sister incest. there is am, naive again.

fine
its rape
its sexual exploitation
its a symptom of other sexual abuse
For any given case, maybe. Possibly even in a majority of cases. You're being a bit absolute, though.

look, if 2 people meet, get married, and then find out that they are long seperated brother and sister, FINE. let them stay married if they want. have children by sperm donor. im sure that in this complicated world we live in it happens.
So now you say that incest is not always wrong. Fine.

but if timmy and sally are "doing it" after school before mom and dad get home from work, there is someting WRONG going on. it may be rape, it may be manipulation, it may be acting out stuff that was done to them by older relatives. but its NOT love.
By my understanding, it is not likely to be. But it could be. Or it could be mutual lust. Or it could just be 'fooling around' with no emotional ties. Again, probably not in a majority of cases, but it could happen.

there needs to be a boat load of social workers and psychologists show up at their door to figure out what has gone wrong. doesnt mean that anyone has to go to jail, but it has to be dealt with.
Where wrong has been done, it needs to be righted. Where it is a non-damaging situation I'd be content to say "get out more, meet some new people" and leave it to resolve itself. I know of no-one in such a situation (or even, knowingly, of anyone in an abusive incestuous situation) but I've got an inkling that there are going to be some cases where chucking a load of social-workers and psychologists in the door could end up damaging minds that weren't originally being harmed and might even have concluded their relationship on their own...

I'm not attempting to jusitify or excuse this, but I'm getting a vibe off of everyone who automatically classifies such situations as bad (not "a majority of the situations are bad" or "the situations where one party is being forced into the situation are bad") that are forcing me to poke my head above the parapets and appear controversial. I'd say consider each case individually.

In part I'm speaking out because I've known people in 'unconventional' relationships (not incest, but wierd stuff in other ways) that I'm convinced would be misunderstood by those who seem to have such strong opinions as evidenced above. If I can perhaps pierce that iron-hard yet misguided resolve on this issue, it might make things better for my various friends by association. (Me, I'm hopelessly conventional in my sexual preferences, but that's just the roll of that particular dice that I got...)

The kids are screwed up - well, gee whiz, gay couples can't even have kids the old-fashioned way and they still have nice, committed relationships. Anyone ever consider adoption? Millions of kids need good homes and don't have them because people insist on having their own kids for whatever reason. And so what if the adoptive parents are brother and sister? As long as they are both decent parents, I don't give a damn if they're Siamese twins.
It teaches kids that it's ok to have sex with family members. You think that's a good thing? Do you want your kid coming up to you in the shower to give you a blowjob?

well peasant, you get the prize for the creepiest person on NS

i really didnt think i would see anyone advocating brother/sister incest. there is am, naive again.

Way to mis the point of what I said, and completely avoid the arguement of it. Hey you even managed to fit a personal insult into there well done.

I was advocating nothing, merely speaking out against the inherant ignorance people have on many subjects. Perhaps you should try reading and listening to what people say, rather than shouting burn the witch, burn the witch.


I do not see why the so called group though mentality of morality society forms has a right to judge other people so much, We would all be better off if we lived in a world with more acceptance and less hatred. But then again some people do some to enjoy they hate, aye?

You're kidding right? How about love?
How do you usually show love? By holding her (I'm a guy), kissing her, making love to her...

You can hold or kiss your sister or kid, but NO EVER in the way you would a lover

Incest, isn't that the thing that has wings and flies around lights at night?

Alright, a few important things to start off with. First of all, we cannot look at this issue from the conditioned perspective we have been raised with. That is, we should not just say "ewwww, incest, ewwww". "Ewwww, incest, ewww," is my natural response to the subject, but because we are debating legalization we must not look at this from a purely emotional standpoint. Secondly, incest does not always mean incest-rape. The majority of the time it is incest-rape, but legalizing incest does not mean legalizing incest-rape, contrary to the implications of some.
The biggest reason for keeping incest illegal is that it causes rape. As I said before, incest does not mean incest-rape. If incest was legalized, incest-rape would surely still be punishable. After all, we send people to jail for raping their spouse. I am sure we would to do the same for incest-rape. In fact, legalization could result in more rapists being sent to jail. If incest were to become legalized(and therefore not be such a taboo subject), I would not be surprised if victims of incest-rape became less hesitant to admit they were coerced into incest.
If incest is legalized, we must create regulations so that the legalization is not abused. First, as I said above, incest-rape must be illegal. All incest must be consensual. Second, we must make sure that people are not just exercising their power over their dependants. To make sure this does not happen we must keep incest legal only within the same generation. No parent-child or anything like that, as parents always have a considerable amount of control over children even after they have left home. Also, leaving any age of consent arguments for another thread, the incestees (incesters?) will of course have to be as old or older than the age of consent for their country or state.
Finally, one last argument given against legalizing incest is that it increases the risk of birth defects. While this is true, it only increases the risk marginally, and then usually only after several generations. Still, any increase of risk demands that the government encourage protection even more for incest than for anything else.

Finally a common sense thread,it is legal to marry your cousin in Britain.I just wanna fuck mine.

Incest, isn't that the thing that has wings and flies around lights at night?
lmfao

Finally a common sense thread,it is legal to marry your cousin in Britain.I just wanna fuck mine.

ROFL.

I was actually thinking of any relation on the same generation, I.E. not father - son... but whatever, as long as it's consentual.

and to all the realists, who needs realism, it's overrated.

I have to say this is the most interesting thread in the NS Forum for a veeeery long time...

I have two brothers (a couple of years younger than me, but we're all over the age of consent) and personally I get the 'ewwwww' reaction out of myself (I'm female, thank you very much) just by thinking about them or even their friends whom I see hanging around with them all the time, in any sexual way.

As a purely legalized way, I agree with the sensible standpoint above; rape in any form must be illegal, but other ways could perhaps in cases be considered legal.

I've often wondered why 'normal straight porn' videos have to include women on women - why not men on men too? I mean, women are allowed to watch porn too... I personally prefer renting gay male porn vids, because that way it lacks the distracting woman body that holds no interest to me. ;)

I've often wondered why 'normal straight porn' videos have to include women on women - why not men on men too? I mean, women are allowed to watch porn too... I personally prefer renting gay male porn vids, because that way it lacks the distracting woman body that holds no interest to me. ;)
Because men like women (the more the better, if there's a lot of (HOT)women somewhere, there are likely to be many men too) and not other men

What would a porn-flick for chicks be like? I wonder...

Because men like women (the more the better, if there's a lot of (HOT)women somewhere, there are likely to be many men too) and not other men

What would a porn-flick for chicks be like? I wonder...

There's a bunch out there already...The movie essentially concentrates more on the man and less on teh girl.

There's a bunch out there already...The movie essentially concentrates more on the man and less on teh girl.
Cause I read erotic novels which are essentially written for chicks (I'm a guy). I like those better then (most) porn.

An odd fact is that if relatives breed (brother/sister, father/daughter etc etc) the children are rarely as malformed as people seem to think (the chance is only marginally higher for abnormalities than with non-related parents).

The image of kids with two heads, extra limbs etc. is basically an urban myth. Inbreeding really only shows it's effect after several generations of continued inbreeding - even then, the main effect is a deficient immune system.

As for my personal opinion of relatives having sexual relationships - as long as both of consenting age, why not? ;)

At the risk of sounding completely sick, what would be wrong with people of the same family being a couple as long as they were never to procreate (one of the two being sterilized).

I can't see what's so bad about it, someone bash my opinion, quick.
I think it's fine as long as there is no form of procreation between the two, or ever how many floats your boat, and remains between each generation.

I wouldn't endorse marriage here, even though I support gay marriage; it still makes me uneasy...well, at least between siblings.