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Deos anyone here eat organic foods on a regular basis? I have to say, I started eating only organic eggs a little while ago and I wouldnt ever go back. Eggs from chickens that run around and live proper chicken like lives taste better, they are bigger and they are even a slightly different colour to battery eggs.

damn

just when i was gonna tell you that all organic food is BS, you had to mention eggs

they arent really better for you

but REAL eggs from backyard chickens taste SOOO much better than factory eggs

its like the difference between the tastes of butter and margarine.

I just eat organic yogurt, as it tends to have a smoother, milkier texture. But really, what's wrong with the poor little GMOs or "conventional" foods? They're far cheaper, take up less space, and help to feed the world. But this is just my two cents on the matter.

But really, what's wrong with the poor little GMOs?
As Letila would say 'GM plants are the slippery slope to GM humans and a Gundam SEED future'

Actually, I want to start eating organic - one could prolly get cheap organic veggies @ a farmers' market

As Letila would say 'GM plants are the slippery slope to GM humans and a Gundam SEED future'
Great! Now anyone can be a mom :D.

I mostly eat organic, but that is mostly what is available here in Berkeley. Most of our shopping gets done at this great organic food mart called Berkeley Bowl. Pesticides are bad for you.

I grow and eat organically for the most part. I dont think it is anymore 'better' for you but it is under the idea that you know where it has been from start to finish and you get to be the green thumb in the process. Its a personal choice and it is to bad that people have to charge alot more for the product due to the higher cost that others have put onto them for growing a more natural product.

i also drink organic coffee but that is out of a sense of social responsibility rather than any taste perception. GE is fine in principle but i really dont think that current strains of GE crops benefit anyone other than the agri-industrials like monsanto so I am still a vigorous opponent.

I've got no problem with organic foods (although I prefer to save $ and buy the normal stuff), but it really bothers me when people imply that I am a bad person because I don't eat just organic foods. My sister's big into the moral superiority thing; she's a vegetarian "most of the time" (still wears leather shoes though), eats organic foods "when it's convenient", and seems to think that anyone who eats meat or non-organic foods does not posess a conscience. I don't have a real credible source for this, but on Penn and Teller: Bullshit, they quoted a figure that said, if all we produced on existing fields was organic food, we could only feed about 2/3 of the world population. But I do agree, organic foods often taste better. There's an organic grocery store nearby that has samples of fruit sometimes, and it generally has more flavor than what I'm used to.

moral vegetarians annoy me too. I like animals and i fully support animal liberation causes but i still like to eat some of them some of the time.

Deos anyone here eat organic foods on a regular basis? I have to say, I started eating only organic eggs a little while ago and I wouldnt ever go back. Eggs from chickens that run around and live proper chicken like lives taste better, they are bigger and they are even a slightly different colour to battery eggs.
The highlighted part is a myth. Cause producers need thousands of chickens to keep up with demand. Those thousands of chickens run around on a field surrounded by a fence. They lay their eggs everywhere. They poop everywhere. Including on the eggs. And thats not healthy for the consumer. They eat insects and worms. Also not beneficial to their diet and therefor not beneficial for the consumer. In order to prevent them from getting sick as they are exposed to everything outside they are pumped full of drugs. Not to mention what thousands of chickens will do to the soil they are on. A few years back we had the bird plague here in Holland. All cases started on organic farms. Wild birds are immune to it. But chickens aren't. And beeing outside brought them into contact with the disease since wild birds there have acces to them. Organic eggs. A real health booster.

In order to prevent them from getting sick as they are exposed to everything outside they are pumped full of drugs.
What you just described isn't exactly organic.

What you just described isn't exactly organic.
It's a side effect of organic chicken farming. Without drugs you'd have a nice little chicken plague every few weeks or so untill you have no chickens left to get sick.

Requirement for organic eggs:

Organic - Organic guidelines are more stringent than

free range. The pullets must be raised by certified organic

production methods from birth. The layers are required to

have outdoor access year round, or be fed sprouted grains

for the period when indoors only. As well, all feed must be

certified organic. No antibiotics or meat by-products are

allowed in the feed and each bird is required to have two

square feet of floor space. One can buy conventional chicks

but they have to be raised organically from birth to be

considered organic birds. (Note: exact guidelines will vary

with certifying body used) Eggs produced in this system

would be known as organic eggs.

Organic Poultry - Eggs

by Roger Henry, PAg.

Martime Certified Organic Growers

~ Organic Farm Profiles ~

March 2002

Organic free range poultry.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:At-TcDc2U94J:www.acornorganic.org/pdf/poultryeggsprofile.pdf+%22Organic+eggs%22&hl=en

Gotta love Google.

the veggies i have in my garden are organic.

i think most of the tofu and soy products i get are organic as well... i'm not sure about all of them though.

if i could afford to, i would probably eat entirely organic. hell, when i'm approaching a time when i plan on having kids, that's what i plan on eating exclusively.

organic just seems more cumbersome than vegetarian

organic just seems more cumbersome than vegetarian
More costly to be sure.

yeah. i'm a vegetarian and i spend a lot less on groceries than my meat-eating roommates.
though perhaps if i bought organic foods, it would put me at about the same level...

I eat them whenever I can--they simply taste better.

I mostly eat organic, but that is mostly what is available here in Berkeley. Most of our shopping gets done at this great organic food mart called Berkeley Bowl. Pesticides are bad for you.

We've gotten some pretty good stuff from the flea market under x80 in Oakland..probably cheaper too..

Genetic modification is perfectly fine. I like big juicy apples as opposed to the half rotten ones grown at the organic farm.

Hmm, maybe I'll check that out.
Off Topic: By the way, why does your location indicator say you are in Wisconsin if you live in Oakland?

Off Topic: By the way, why does your location indicator say you are in Wisconsin if you live in Oakland?

My dad lives in San Leandro, and I've spent a total of three months out there with him. We try to get out and experience cool city stuff..heh.

And you can find some really good stuff at the fleamarkets in Oakland (one under either 880 or 580 and the one in the parkinglot of the Collesium(sic, prob.)), food related and otherwise..I'm pretty sure that the fruit and vegetables they sell are local, so they should be organic. They're really damn good, whatever they are. :D

Genetic modification is perfectly fine. I like big juicy apples as opposed to the half rotten ones grown at the organic farm.
Generally, and especially when you're talking about GM foods, bigger and juicier means mostly water, and less flavorful.

As Letila would say 'GM plants are the slippery slope to GM humans and a Gundam SEED future'

You read my mind!

Hell yeah. I'm a vegan, and I guess a lot of people would call me a "food snob" or whatever. Frankly, if you're in possession of all the facts about what factory farming does to animals and you still choose to buy from them, you *don't* have a conscience. I don't much care for the idea of organic meat either, but at least it's slightly more humane. As for organic veggies - yeah, they do tend to be a lot healthier and tastier. The only exception that I've run across are organic onions, which tend to have a grainy texture.

Hell yeah. I'm a vegan, and I guess a lot of people would call me a "food snob" or whatever. Frankly, if you're in possession of all the facts about what factory farming does to animals and you still choose to buy from them, you *don't* have a conscience. I don't much care for the idea of organic meat either, but at least it's slightly more humane. As for organic veggies - yeah, they do tend to be a lot healthier and tastier. The only exception that I've run across are organic onions, which tend to have a grainy texture.


Frankly, if you're in possession of all the facts about what human existance does to Gaia and you still choose to live and not kill yourself, you dont have a conscience, or the right to shit on how people you view morally inferior to yourself choose to live.


Organic food in many cases is niether, healther or better for the land, but certain groups of people being the Do Gooders they are have to do something to be morally superior and if that choice costs more money even better, the more elitist something is the cooler it is after all.


Oh ontopic with the thread starter, the colour of a egg shell depends on the diet on the hen, Infact egg producers deliberately feed differently to produce different coloured shell fors different markets. That said being inside a barn full of just barn raised hens, the smell is unbelievable. But then again life is harsh, rough and no where is it written that it wont be cruel either.

Animals suffer for human improvement, seems like the natural progressive way of things.

Keep Patrick Zala out of your food--Say Yes to organic farms!

Animals suffer for human improvement, seems like the natural progressive way of things.



Do you think humans are inherently superior to animals? True, we may be linguistically, culturally, technologically, etc. more advanced than them. And if it came down to it, most of us humans would choose to save a human being before a dog, hypothetically. But nevertheless, did 'God' really create nature in service of us (if God does exist)? Or are we all evolved beings coming from the same root and result of millions of years of a 'natural' process? I don't see any reason why humans should be the wardens and whipcrackers of nature, but rather, we should be nature's caretaker. Especially since our intelligence gives us the option of thinking in that direction.

On the other side, GMO's have their goods and bads. On one side they screw up the species themselves, so when we manipulate a certain animal we may throw it off balance and cause a domino effect on nature. For example, we genetically manipulate corn plants to repel or be immune to insects which kills all the insects that used to feast on that crop, which depletes the source of food for crows and they die, etc. Remember what happeneed to bald eagles, when we were releasing toxins into the air (I've forgotten the toxin, for now) which caused their eggs skins to be thin and thus they started dying out.

On the other hand, GMOs have helped us create maize, coy fish, and pluots. I just htink we have to be careful and caring, as an ideal. The real picture is more frightening than you think.

On the other side, GMO's have their goods and bads. On one side they screw up the species themselves, so when we manipulate a certain animal we may throw it off balance and cause a domino effect on nature. For example, we genetically manipulate corn plants to repel or be immune to insects which kills all the insects that used to feast on that crop, which depletes the source of food for crows and they die, etc. Remember what happeneed to bald eagles, when we were releasing toxins into the air (I've forgotten the toxin, for now) which caused their eggs skins to be thin and thus they started dying out.

I really think the "bads" associated with genetically enhanced food is overblown. The US just had another record breaking year in corn harvesting. That's largely due to tweaking the genes a little.
And, frankly, there's no such thing as "pristine" nature. That organic carrot you're eating is not the original species of carrot. It's been cross bred with other species to make it bigger and better.

I think it was PCB's or something like that, not sure anymore though that was awhile ago.

I agree that it is kind of up to the person, we can not tell people to start having feelings for animals, that could be like trying to tell people to have compassion for criminals on the same note. Peoples feelings evolve in one way or another through out thier lifetime. You could be a staunch supporter of our second ammendment, and suddenly lose a child to a firearm and have a complete change of mind. I dont believe anyone can say someones feelings one way or another are any less genuine without living through whatever it is they have lived through.

My uncle used to be a bad mother fucker in nam, gb tunnel rat interpreter, if you would of met up with him now and didn't know his history you would think he was the most gentle and caring man you have ever met. So all I am saying is that feelings are not like partisan politics, there is no auto pilot for any group of people conservative or liberal we all have our own things that make us tick.

I eat what's on my plate. I'm not bothering anyone with: "ooh. I'm not eating that because a chicken (of all animals, the highly sophisticated chicked) was put in a very small box where it could only lay eggs."

PEOPLE DIE OF HUNGER, and you're nagging about whether of not a drug was put in the piece of meat or egg or yoghurt you're eating

And, frankly, there's no such thing as "pristine" nature. That organic carrot you're eating is not the original species of carrot. It's been cross bred with other species to make it bigger and better.



Of course there's no such hting as 'pristine' nature! In some sense, it's a balance or a complementing or a battle between chaos and order. BUT...Do we HAVE to genetically engineer plants and animals, we've gotten along fine this few thousand years eating the food that we've always eaten, so why the need for 'bigger and better' plants? Does it enhance our senses?